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Apple puts another nail into Flash’s coffin

By | April 9, 2010, 11:37am PDT

Summary: Apple has put another nail into Flash’s coffin with its ban on the use of cross-compilers, like the one that’s due in Adobe Creative Suite 5.

ipad-flash.jpgApple’s got no love for Flash, that’s for sure. But what once was a only skirmish has been upgraded to a full-on assault.

In February Steve Jobs took a position that Flash is buggy on Macs and that it would cut the iPad’s battery life to 1.5 hours. Then Jobs took his anti-Flash message on the road as part of the early iPad negotiations with publishers, several of whom noted that Jobs was quick to bash Flash.

Apple increased the pressure on Adobe and Flash this week with the release of the iPhone 4.0 beta SDK which explicitly prohibits the use of cross-compilers, i.e the Flash-to-iPhone compiler in the upcoming Flash Professional CS5.

Gruber lays out changes in the agreement, which must be agreed to by anyone downloading the 4.0 SDK:

iPhone OS 3.2 SDK of the iPhone Developer Program License Agreement:

3.3.1 — Applications may only use Documented APIs in the manner prescribed by Apple and must not use or call any private APIs.

iPhone OS 4.0 beta SDK of the iPhone Developer Program License Agreement:

3.3.1 — Applications may only use Documented APIs in the manner prescribed by Apple and must not use or call any private APIs. Applications must be originally written in Objective-C, C, C++, or JavaScript as executed by the iPhone OS WebKit engine, and only code written in C, C++, and Objective-C may compile and directly link against the Documented APIs (e.g., Applications that link to Documented APIs through an intermediary translation or compatibility layer or tool are prohibited).

ZDNet’s own Larry Dignan notes that Apple’s Flash Jihad is so significant that Adobe is legally obligated to disclose it in its quarterly filing with the SEC (emphasis mine):

…new releases of operating systems or other third-party products, platforms or devices, such as the Apple iPhone or iPad, make it more difficult for our products to perform, and our customers are persuaded to use alternative technologies, our business could be harmed.

Could this the be final nail in the coffin for Flash?

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Jason D. O'Grady

Jason D. O'Grady developed an affinity for Apple computers after using the original Lisa, and this affinity turned into a bona-fide obsession when he got the original 128 KB Macintosh in 1984.

He started writing one of the first Web sites about Apple (O'Grady's PowerPage) in 1995 and is considered to be one of the fathers of blogging. He has been a frequent speaker at the Macworld Expo conference and a member of the conference faculty. He also co-founded the first dedicated PowerBook User Group (PPUG) in the United States.

After winning a major legal battle with Apple in 2006, he set the precedent that independent journalists are entitled to the same protections under the First Amendment as members of the mainstream media.

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Flash dead? What an idiot! Thanks for the commedy moment! ;P
freakqnc 10th Sep 2010
@all those smoking crack and saying that flash is dead, come back and eat your own posts you morons! Are you paid by Jobs or some other delusional anti Flash imbecile? Or maybe you simple NEVER used flash and don't know squat about what you can do with it... in which case you should just avoid spewing ridiculous statements about something you have absolutely no knowledge of and just waste pople's time. No do everyone a favor and go jump off a cliff! Gotta love the Spartans... good things for you that kind of selection no longer applies or you'd be doing bade jumping with attached to no ropes! I installed flash beta3 on my Droid even before it was officially released and it absolutely rocks! It works like a charm on all levels. Now let's wait for android tablets of and give a run for its money to the outrageously expensive and limited iPad! Android tablets will sport (many already do!) HDMI and USB connectors, GPS, Transflash memory so you can put as much as you like, when you need it and when you can afford it... not to mention that you can swap cards at will! Camera and webcam, replaceable and removable battery, 1280x720 HD support (iPad 1024x768 and they call it awesome for HD video playback... give me a break doesn't even have HDMI and Droix X "does" without even needing to be a friggin' tablet!) And there will be some real competition now! Android 2.1 were already available for less than $150! But had no flash support (only deterrent for me). Once the 2.2 with flash will start rolling in, it will be a battle of screen size and quality hardware features and battery life! It's amazing how people can throw away money these days! If you disagree with me, make yourself happy and buy yourself an iPad. In case you think I am just a Apple hater, think different! :P This is being written on a Mac Pro I am a proud owner of several of nice products Apple has released across the years and I have always sided with Apple on many issues because I was thinking different... the problem is rather than Steve stopped doing that and went on to become the exact opposite than its 1984 anti Orwellian world was painting to its users and supporters. Need I remind you now what the real "empire" Mr. Jobs is trying to build? I do not care anymore and I just take the best of what one or another company offers and I will only support competition. For sure will never side again with any one company especially those capable of deceiving their own founding principles.
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Apple's Worst Day
DevStar 9th Apr 2010
I think this is Apple's worst day, and quite possibly the day it jumped the shark.

This is a horrible move by Apple and shows that they really don't want to compete.

Jon Gruber wrote an embarassing apologist blog post about why Apple did this. His main claim is that this is to prevent poor apps from infesting the app store. This is utterly wrong.

Apple's real fear is that the apps may actually be extremely good. If a framework exists that can target the iPhone and make great apps, but also great apps for WP7 and Android then they're in trouble.

Lets be clear, web apps (html/javascript) are amongst the most horrible you can write across any vectory (quality, performance, etc...), yet Apple will allow those, despite them not being "native" apps. Why? Because they know those apps will never be that great. They don't threaten the fact that they have the best app store in the world. But if Monotouch apps started being the premiere apps, then Apple would worry, because it's a 10 second port to make it a Windows Phone app.

This IMO, is the darkest day for Apple. While I've never been a huge fan of Jobs, I think they crossed a line with this language.

While Apple may have put another nail in Flash's coffin, I think they've unwittingly helped seal their own fate.
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Badgered 9th Apr 2010
While Apple may have put another nail in Flash's coffin, I think they've unwittingly helped seal their own fate.

And yet, I get the feeling that for the most part they'll come out smelling like roses.
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I cannot agree more
honeymonster 9th Apr 2010
very well put!

As if the programming language used has any
bearing on the quality of the resulting code!

This is completely orthogonal. You can (easily)
make a horrible application with C++ and a
beautiful app with Flash or Silverlight.

And what most commenters has been missing: This
is not just blocking out "Flash". Adobe had
prepared a cross-compiler for iPhone OS which
would compile a Flash/Flex app into a
native iPhone app.

No plugin needed, no Flash runtime needed. Pure
native iPhone code. Which means that security
reservations etc. are moot.

In a sense, Adobe called Apple on their bluff.
And Apple has now shown their hand: They are
not at all concerned about the quality of the
apps, they are concerned about competition.

Apple is mounting a powerplay: Either you are
with us or you are against us. You can
not be allowed to develop an app for cross-
platform.

One can only hope that developers have had
enough with Jobs throwing fits. Developing for
Apple platform has become a liability.
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Sure you can...
Bruizer 9th Apr 2010
You can not be allowed to develop an app for cross-
platform.


Just use HTML 5.
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Why?
kyawam 9th Apr 2010
Bruizer, I don't find any reason to believe your statement, Why?
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Flash is a dyeing technology
Bruizer 9th Apr 2010
I find it funny. Go back 3 years and EVERYONE simply hated flash.
Much like Windows users hate QT and Mac users hate WMP. From
Windows users to Mac users, both really disliked Flash. Flash was that
evil you had to have installed simply because. You can go back and
read cursed blog after cursed blog stating why it should die.

Go to 2007...

Then the iPhone came out not supporting flash. It did not mater that
other mobile platforms did not (or if they did, it was so poor as to be
laughable) suport Flash. But it did give the rallying point for all who
hated Apple simply because to flame against Apple. It did not matter
that these same people, just months before were saying how bad
Flash was and how it would be nice if there were alternatives.

Now, Mr. Jobs is saying the same thing others had for years. Flash
really is not that good. It is the VB of the web. It links structure, content and behavior in a single wrapped package and allows people
with no design skill to make something that looks OK.

but....

It does a horrid job of adapting to different screen sizes. It really is a
processor hog and a battery hog (though some recent version with HW acceleration are a bit better). And on the Mac, (the platform that Steve
is concerned about), it is amazingly bad and buggy.

Add to this, a long history of Adobe screwing with Apple (starting
back int he NeXT days with display-postscript. How long did it take
Adobe to come out with an OS X version of PS?) and I think Steve, as
well as many of the old-timers from the NeXT days still at Apple, has
simply had enough of Adobe.

Yes, 70% of sites have Flash content. Almost all of that content is
advertising. Most major video sites now have non-Flash based
alternatives. They are cheaper (no Flash tools/licensing). They work
on more mobile browsers.

Yep, Flash is dyeing like the 3.5" Floppy (yes, I have a project that still
uses 5 1/4" and 3.5" floppies. Does not change the fact the
technology is effectively dead) did 10+ years ago.

To point to your assertion as being off base, simply look at iAd.
These are developed in HTML 5. As such, the advertising company
that develops them will be able to deploy on WP7, Android and any
other HTML 5 based mobile system.
HTML5 cannot replace all of the functionality of flash. Flash is very powerful application framework and the level of functionality provided by it is allays going to be in demand.

Weather or not flash continues to be that provider remains to be seen - see my post below about silverlight.
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That canot be replicated in HTML 5. HTML 5 really can replace Flash and
all its functionality and be fully cross platform.

It provides better separation of structure, content and behavior than
Flash could ever hope for.
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lol
toadlife Updated - 9th Apr 2010
So you think a text markup language with rudimentary 2D animation abilities and a video tag can replace 3D flash games?

Thanks for the laugh!
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Thanks for the laugh.
Bruizer 9th Apr 2010
I love it when people don't understand the abilities of HTML
5/Javascript...

Flash is dead, it just does not know it yet.
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You're welcome
toadlife 9th Apr 2010
I've tons many demos of "applications" written in javascript. They are slow as molasses and HTML5 will not (and cannot) change that.
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Don't know flash capability? Then don't...
kyawam Updated - 9th Apr 2010
Bruizer, you seem like you don't know what flash can do...
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@kyawam
zkiwi 9th Apr 2010
So, do tell what Flash can do on touchscreens?
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HTML 5 - still not a standard
webbod 11th Apr 2010
You keep banging on about HTML 5 - it hasn't even been finalised.

You don't know which of the proposals are going to be accepted nor the form that they will take - all you've seen are best guesses.
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what about cartoonists?
kingpen 12th Apr 2010
So what should a cartoonist use for animations (interactive or not)? I am looking at upgrading my hardware and software, and have always been a Mac user. Is there something other than Flash that I can use which is supported by Macs and Windows?
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"Dyeing"? What color is it being dyed?
HypnoToad72 9th Apr 2010
grin

Doesn't Google welcome Flash in its mobile devices?

And how do you know HTML5 won't be "optimized" for individual mobile systems, meaning one set of code won't work on other HTML5-based systems from different vendors?
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Don'thca just HATE funky grammar...?
Wolfie2K3 9th Apr 2010
Oy... I'm having a nasty sensation of deja vu - all over again...

And how do you know HTML5 won't be "optimized" for individual mobile systems, meaning one set of code won't work on other HTML5-based systems from different vendors?

Isn't this specifically the problem everybody has had with IE? Isn't that what web standards and the drive for passing the bleeping ACiD tests is all about?

Sadly, I think you're probably right. Especially since HTML 5 has yet to be written in stone and won't be for another decade.
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I guess there is a Google, HTC, Meth-berry or the alternative drones
running Android in your future. HTML5 and H.264/MPEG-4 AVC serves
99.9% of Mac users are fine with HD via International standards not
Adobe Flash which keeps crashing my browser. The Trillion Dollar
global porn industry based in San Fernando Valley, California and
distributed globally who brought you Flash and micro credit
transactions is moving toward HTML5 for streaming video content as
there are no licenses from Adobe required and for downloads they are
using H.264/MPEG-4 AVC. So flash was dead the moment the porn
industry discovered synergies on lowering their cost using HTML5 and
H.264/MPEG-4 AVC. The porn industry defined the secured online
payment system not the banks, they came later. The fact of the matter
is wether you watch or download porn or not HTML5 and H.264/MPEG-
4 AVC is their future and were porn goes so goes the de facto online
standards! So if you need flash don't use Apple hardware go to the
competition but please stop wining about flash! If Adobe had not been
so arrogant and had improved the Flash development platform for the
new paradigm it may have enjoyed more longevity and support from
Apple! Now having said that, I don't care about the plumbing I just want
the video to play period!
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Hilarious
Tigertank 10th Apr 2010
The same anti-Apple crew who were complaining about flash with the
rest of the world have suddenly been cornered into making it their poster
boy just to maintain their anti-apple at all costs stance.
Its interesting to hear the tales of how this annoying, buggy, slow
technology will be the great white hope of the iphone competitors.
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Do you think apple Might kill off youtube with this whole Flash thing? or reduce sells of their micro department ?
http://truxtertech.com/news/2010/04/10/mac-shuns-more-flash/

I think it it will hurt apple to not be able to stream media like flash can do.
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Well youtube is going HTML5...
mrlinux 9th Apr 2010
which when finished no more Flash needed.
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It's all H264 Video
CowLauncher 9th Apr 2010
Flash is streaming the exact same file that is used by practically everyone
including the HTML5 browsers. The player is a moot point.
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Adobe is the one putting nails in their own coffin.

Their buggy and flawed software on more than just the Apple platforms.
I am waiting for HTML5 to more widely used.
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Curious...
DevStar 9th Apr 2010
Why do you think HTML5 will be much better than Flash, considering that web browsers (IE, Firefox, Chrome, Safari, and Opera) have been amongst the buggiest of software products. Now we move everything in the browser?
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Good point.
Churlish 9th Apr 2010
I think it's interesting to read people who believe that HTML 5 will instantly and completely kill Flash, Silverlight, and other proprietary frameworks.

Although what I've read of HTML 5 is impressive, these people assume that it will be supported -- perfectly and universally -- by all the major browsers soon after the spec is finalized.

We're what? Twelve years out from the 4.0 spec? We still don't enjoy universal, consistent HTML 4 implementation. We've griped about browser incompatibilities in HTML and JavaScript for close to two decades ... I can only imagine the disparities in video, sound, graphical effects, etc. we'll observe between browsers.

Sorry to be a naysayer -- I'm sure that HTML 5 will offer some awesome, standards-based web experiences -- but I just don't believe that we'll see them very soon.

In the meantime, I'll happily use Silverlight and Flash.
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I suppose it would matter more...
Sleeper Service 9th Apr 2010
...if Apple - or particularly Apple running Safari - actually had a meaningful market share in computing. But they don't so it doesn't really.

As for the iPhone, well it's 2010 now. Things have moved on and if the likes of the HTC Legend are Flash functional who cares what Apple do?
So, yep, Adobe is very worried about this. It is a reason they put in a
earnings warning saying this presents a long term strategic issue for the
company in the web space.
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Except the version of WebKit....
Sleeper Service 11th Apr 2010
...that dominates is the one on Nokia phones which Flash 10.1 is being written for.

Along of course, with Android's browser, WinMo's, BlackBerry's and everyone else's.

Minor threat, minor issue.
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I suppose it does matter to you...
richardw66 13th Apr 2010
...if Apple - or particularly Apple running Safari - actually had a
meaningful market share in computing. But they don't so it doesn't
really.


And yet they have 75 million OS X users and 25 million iPhone users.

So that's between 75 million and 100 million people who do not
matter at all to you?

As for the iPhone, well it's 2010 now. Things have moved on and if
the likes of the HTC Legend are Flash functional who cares what Apple
do?


You bother to comment because you don't care - obviously!!!

And who cares about flash enough to try to stop it from dying out -
you do!!!

Flash has been very good for my career, and made me quite a bit of
money. Everything from delivering video in Flash even before FLV was
introduced to being paid to write a Flash Decompiler.

But I don't see the point of defending Flash against the truth.

And I for one like standards over proprietary systems, which is one of
the reasons I use a lot of Apple product rather than MS product.

Yes, you heard me right, and yes I know what I am talking about.

So why support a buggy, resource hungry, proprietary format, when
an HTML/Javascript/H.264 based replacement exists?

Yes HTML5 is not yet standard, but it is looking likely with IE9
supporting it.

Yet again Apple is leading the charge to introduce a standard that
moves the technology forward.

All Adobe has to do is to get Flash right, stop it from chewing up
resources, and maybe even take out some very odd coding from the
format would be nice too. Maybe start by removing variable length
bitfields at the beginning of the files for instance, they are just
unnecessarily complex for a saving of maybe a byte!!!
engadget on supposed iPad Killer JooJoo with FLASH :

"But what about Flash? This is supposed to be the big
differentiator, right? The iPad killer! In an interesting move,
Fusion Garage coupled the Atom processor with NVIDIA's
Ion graphics to aid in playing full screen Flash video (or for
doing... something). Unfortunately, the software just isn't
there yet. "
"That means some regular-sized YouTube and Hulu works,
as decoded by the CPU, but full screen Hulu is jittery, and
a 720p YouTube clip is like watching a slideshow."

---
FLASH is so bad on tablet that Adobe is distancing itself:

"Adobe's PR team has gotten in touch to inform us that
Fusion Garage "has no direct relationship with Adobe."


LOL.
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That would be nice for the page layout. but how does html5 effect the media content? is there something in html5 I have not heard of yet? not to be sarcastic just I would be truly amazed if html5 can be a media file other than a small txt page that is a simplified version of Html itself.
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It does everything flash does, sans the constant security problems and it takes up less resources.

We recently has a few video streaming solution providers come in to demo their products. The one we chose has a Silverlight based interface which allows dynamic resizing of the video steams inside the application interface. It blew away anything I've ever seen done in flash and it all ran fine (no slide show) on run-of-the-mill computers.
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And when Flash dies (and that will be soon),
Silverlight isn't going to take it's place...
Silverlight is just NOT impressive... MS is
begging anyone they can to use it because it's
lame and no one by MS-Fannies care about it. And
MS-Fannies are a dying breed.
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"MS-Fannies?"
toadlife 9th Apr 2010
Give me a break. For some reason I don't think Silverlight would impress you under any circumstances.
On which platform and browser? grin
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Common sense is replacing Flash...
i8thecat 12th Apr 2010
What is the goal/objective of advertising???
What is the goal/objective of a web page???

To get information to as many people as
possible... A flash website/ad does not do
this... It limits the audience... And
Silverlight is never going to get mass
adoption.

Common sense replaces Flash and Silverlight...
In order for either to win, they would have to
have to work, be secure, and be globally
accepted as "the standard"... Neither are, nor
will ever be...

Making an Ad or website based on either doesn't
reach the masses.. It reaches the few... A
simple .jpg banner ad reaches far more people
and is far more effective and exponentially
cheeper than any Flash based ad... So... Do you
want an obnoxious animated ad that only a few
can see??? Or a inexpensive .jpg banner that
everyone can see?

Eventually, common sense wins, those without
it, don't stay in business...

And what makes you think that something MUST
actually replace Flash or Silverlight??? What
if both fell off the face of the earth
tomorrow???

You have a brain Toad72/Toadlife, the real
tragedy would be not using it.
absurd., what coffin?
It's now only a shadow of it former self.

Sorry Jonathan Gay.



Jonathan developed SmartSketch / Macromedia Flash

http://www.adobe.com/macromedia/events/john_gay/page02.html
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Just because Steve Jobs has a hissy fit, doesn't mean that the world is going to stop using Flash.
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Seems to me Steve Jobs has made a judgement. Flash is a security
nightmare and bug ridden. There are up and coming alternatives so if
you create a device such as the iPhone and iPad that you want of course
secure and you want to avoid needless headaches then go for the
alternatives. As time passes the alternatives grow larger and FLASH will
likely loose ground. Seems well thought out not based on a "fit" you
might disagree. You might say hold onto FLASH until the alternatives are
there rather than rising but that is a disagreement and a fair one but I
don't think either your view or Steve's is out of hand incorrect.

Pagan jim
And Steve Jobs is far from being without - even tho the Mac faithful think he is... Given the swiss cheese that OSX uses for security, it's like the pot calling the kettle black.

Then again... I suppose I can see his point. Given how weak Apple's security is, there's NO sense adding more insecure software to an already insecure system.
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secure system like OSX. There is not point in adding insecure software to
an insecure OS like oh say..... :P

Pagan jim
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50 million iPhone's are now in the hands of end users Time frame 3
years. Now we have the iPad , 1 week 500K units sold! Lets say that
Apple sells only half of that. 25 million end users. 25 million end users
are not using Flash-

What say we all!

Flash is dead!
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You DO realize that there are over 1 BILLION computers out there. And out of that Apple only holds only 4 - 5%. And those Mac desktops and laptops all run Flash.

That's still 92+% that run Windows and maybe 2% running Linux (being generous here).

Flash is far from dead.
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LOL no!
Sleeper Service 11th Apr 2010
50 million sales over three years does not mean 50 million handsets in use.

So... no.
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Easy Math Question
webbod 11th Apr 2010
What's 25 million / 1.8 billion ?

A pathetic market share - you're forgetting that there is an entire planet out there - so, 300,000 Americans bought an iPad - the USA only accounts for 0.1% of 5% of the global population - pathetic the fuss you make over such a trivial device.
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Easy Math Question
webbod 11th Apr 2010
What's 25 million / 1.8 billion ?

A pathetic market share - you're forgetting that there is an entire planet out there - so, 300,000 Americans bought an iPad - the USA only accounts 5% of the global population and only 0.1% have bought into the iPad - pathetic the fuss you make over such a trivial device.
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It is better optimised, it has a more sophisticated
abstraction and it has a vibrant developer community who
know how to use it. Apple love HTML5 because it is NOT a
viable alternative to App store, not because it is. People who argue
for HTML5 for games, interactive features etc. have fallen for apples
self serving wedge politics.

The people forgotten in Apple's plan are the web users, on iPad who
get a truly broken experience now, on todays web... Web
broken? There's Apps for that!

Link to Flash vs Canvas mobile animation performance
demonstration http://bit.ly/flash-cf-canvas
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HTML5 can only get better NT
CowLauncher 9th Apr 2010
NT
@all those smoking crack and saying that flash is dead, come back and eat your own posts you morons! Are you paid by Jobs or some other delusional anti Flash imbecile? Or maybe you simple NEVER used flash and don't know squat about what you can do with it... in which case you should just avoid spewing ridiculous statements about something you have absolutely no knowledge of and just waste pople's time. No do everyone a favor and go jump off a cliff! Gotta love the Spartans... good things for you that kind of selection no longer applies or you'd be doing bade jumping with attached to no ropes! I installed flash beta3 on my Droid even before it was officially released and it absolutely rocks! It works like a charm on all levels. Now let's wait for android tablets of and give a run for its money to the outrageously expensive and limited iPad! Android tablets will sport (many already do!) HDMI and USB connectors, GPS, Transflash memory so you can put as much as you like, when you need it and when you can afford it... not to mention that you can swap cards at will! Camera and webcam, replaceable and removable battery, 1280x720 HD support (iPad 1024x768 and they call it awesome for HD video playback... give me a break doesn't even have HDMI and Droix X "does" without even needing to be a friggin' tablet!) And there will be some real competition now! Android 2.1 were already available for less than $150! But had no flash support (only deterrent for me). Once the 2.2 with flash will start rolling in, it will be a battle of screen size and quality hardware features and battery life! It's amazing how people can throw away money these days! If you disagree with me, make yourself happy and buy yourself an iPad. In case you think I am just a Apple hater, think different! :P This is being written on a Mac Pro I am a proud owner of several of nice products Apple has released across the years and I have always sided with Apple on many issues because I was thinking different... the problem is rather than Steve stopped doing that and went on to become the exact opposite than its 1984 anti Orwellian world was painting to its users and supporters. Need I remind you now what the real "empire" Mr. Jobs is trying to build? I do not care anymore and I just take the best of what one or another company offers and I will only support competition. For sure will never side again with any one company especially those capable of deceiving their own founding principles.

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