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Apple to analysts: Eat my iPad!

By | June 23, 2010, 4:18pm PDT

Everyone is dog-piling on analysts this week over the iPad. Somehow, almost all of them got it all wrong, some of them, very wrong. One hapless analyst is having her nose rubbed in reality just days after a prediction. With hindsight, the original predictions make amusing reading.

Of course, the worst case came true for poor Forrester Research’s Sarah Rotman Epps. She put out a paper on the tablet and netbook markets last week. While most press coverage on the report was on the netbook side, she wrote that total 2010 sales for tablet devices would be 3.5 million units. This figure may have sounded sensible until a week later when Apple reported that it had shipped 3 million iPads in 80 days. Sorry!

Here is a selection of analyst predictions on the iPad before it had shipped:

Jan. 27. Piper Jaffray analyst Gene Munster says he had been wrong in previous calculations and the iPad will be a hit, meaning maybe 4 million units.

In a research report to clients, Piper Jaffray analyst Gene Munster said the iPad’s $499 entry-level pricing now leads him to believe Apple will sell between 3 and 4 million of the devices in its first 12 months on the market. That’s up from his earlier prediction of just shy of 1.9 million units made at the end of last year under the assumption that the product would average a $600 price tag.

Jan. 27. ABI Research analyst Jeff Orr says that the iPad is “no sure thing.” In a familiar anti-Apple trope, the iPad’s problem is its missing Adobe Flash and so-called “gaps.”

“Several functions — front-facing and still/video cameras, external storage interfaces, support for Flash in the browser — are absent,” he wrote in a research note. “The iPad prices and gaps in functionality are likely to leave the door open for other media tablet vendors.”

ABI predicts that 4 million tablets such as the iPad and the lesser-known Archos 5 will ship this year.

What this prediction said was that the iPad would be a dog and that its competition would fill out most of the sales. Reality check: The several tablets touted by Microsoft’s Steve Ballmer in a January keynote have all been pulled from the market.

Prediction hell: How dumb do Bill Gates & Microsoft’s iPad, Surface predictions look now?

Feb. 4. Shopping site Retrevo ran a couple of “studies” to determine interest in the iPad. It said that the hoopla over the iPad had failed to convince potential buyers.

Retrevo’s study asked consumers whether or not they had heard about the tablet before the tablet was introduced and again after the announcement. The word definitely got out as the number of respondents saying they had heard about the tablet rose from 48 percent shortly before the announcement to over 80 percent after the media frenzy on January 27th. …

Unfortunately for Apple, the number of respondents saying they had heard about the tablet but were not interested in buying one, doubled from 25 percent before the announcement to over 50 percentfollowing the announcement.

This company says that it uses “artificial intelligence to analyze and visually summarize more than 50 million real-time data points from across the web to give shoppers the most comprehensive, unbiased, up-to-date product information they need to make smart, confident decisions about what to buy, when to buy, and where to buy.”

Note to Retrevo technology engineers: Perhaps it’s time to rework the algorithms, no?

March 5. This Gartner prediction may be closer to the mark.

Apple’s iPad could drive total tablet sales for the year as high as 10.5 million devices, a Gartner Research analyst said today. …

Shiffler cautioned, however, against setting unrealistic expectations for either the iPad or tablets in general. “Our estimate is a best case,” he warned, “and presumes that the iPad does take off.”

He added that the PC business will continue to be driven by mobile devices, but that netbooks, which have grabbed a significant chunk of the market, will see their share shrink this year under the two-pronged onslaught by new low-powered ultraportable notebooks and tablet-style hardware like the iPad.

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Talkback Most Recent of 78 Talkback(s)

  • The thing of the matter is
    The way the device was made and functions it shouldn't be selling this much.
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    Cylon Centurion
    23rd Jun 2010
  • Why not?
    @NStalnecker
    Pagam jim
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    James Quinn
    23rd Jun 2010
  • RE: Apple to analysts: Eat my iPad!
    Come on James Quinn, didn?t you get the memo? Apple Inc is pure Evil. So no one in their right mind would buy an product with the Evil Apple logo on it. It doesn?t run the symbol of holiness (Windows), so it must be bad. Just ask the windows supporters.
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    Rick_K
    24th Jun 2010
    • Flagged
  • It could have been better done
    @James Quinn

    First and foremost, it is a first gen product. Each time I pick one up, there are always a few apps running that haven't been adapted to the bigger screen size, and run heavily pixelated. I have learned over the years never to buy first gen devices.

    That said, I feel as if the iPad could be something more. People give tablets little credit as to what they can do. It works great as a consumption device, but what about productivity? Will this thing help me in the workplace or in the classroom? From what I've seen and felt, no. And because of that, I can't justify the cost of buying one. There is no reason at all why that thing has to be so darned expensive.
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    Cylon Centurion
    24th Jun 2010
  • RE: Apple to analysts: Eat my iPad!
    @NStalnecker

    First and Foremost it is a consumer electronics device - not a productivity tool. And it's never been billed as a productivity tool. Why would you expect to do anything other than consume electronics on it? It's not meant to help you in the workplace. It's meant to augment your living room, kitchen, bedroom or bathroom.

    You've learned from your experience with Microsoft not to buy first gen products. The only reason not to buy Apple First Gen is the planned obsolescence, but that's the same reason not to buy Second Gen from Apple, or any company that innovates for that matter.

    3 Million purchasers have justified buying one and by the laws of supply and demand (what we call market capitalism) that thing is not too darned expensive - it seems it's priced perfect for the target market... which, by the way, isn't you.

    Go get a Toshiba Tablet PC and enjoy your work.
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    hawks5999
    24th Jun 2010
  • RE: Apple to analysts: Eat my iPad!
    @NStalnecker
    Excuse 1) "it is a first gen product."
    And what does that have to do with anything. Are you claiming that tech device prices go UP after release?!? This simply is not the case, so the idea that a first gen device should be priced lower due to this is just, well, absurd.

    Excuse 2) "I feel as if the iPad could be something more."
    So? ANY device could be something more. Name a single device and I can add a functionality to it. This has NOTHING to do with its current price point.

    Excuse 3) "People give tablets little credit as to what they can do."
    Says who? Please post your market data. In fact, a number of businesses have given the tablet format any number of chances, including the medical market, where it has fallen flat. Anecdotal stories of individual doctors who insist on lugging these things around not withstanding, the fact is that tablet failed in the market. The market. Remember that? to wit:

    Excuse 4) "what about productivity? Will this thing help me in the workplace or in the classroom?"
    Seems to be that people think so. Certainly the reports of development and deployment in vertical business markets of iPad productivity apps seems to indicate thus.

    Excuse 5) "because of that, I can't justify the cost of buying one."
    And? So? The issue is not if YOU can justify buying one. I can not either, which is why I have not. But that has NO relationship to whether it is priced too high. I can't justify buying a 102" LCD HDTV, either. That has NO relationship to whether it is worth the cost.

    "There is no reason at all why that thing has to be so darned expensive."

    Of course there is. Cost of components plus cost of R&D factored against market demand. This calculation CLEARLY shows it to be priced appropriately. Period.
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    DeusExMachina
    24th Jun 2010
  • Wow. Don't piss off the Apple lovers!
    They'll beat you down!
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    Cylon Centurion
    24th Jun 2010
    • Flagged
  • 3 millioin Shipped. Ok. Now, How Many Sold? And Morganstein would tell you
    what it means when MS reports their "shipments" and it has something to do with "bogus numbers". Hell, he'll even tell you the numbers are inflated when they report sales compiled from OEMs and retailers.

    So 3 million shipped John, how many have sold?

    I'd bet you purchased the first version released and turned around bought another one with 3G a month later. Tell us that's not true.

    Way too expensive when you have to pay Apple for the privilege of all content you get with the device. No choice, total lockin to the ultimate degree.

    And all the Pagan Jim speeches about it's sleek interface and "why would I need other content when Apple has everything I could every possibly enjoy" does not take away from all those years of Apple fans jumping on the MS is "lock in" bandwagon, only to now embrance something that creates the ultimate lock in....100% lock-in.

    Too funny. Now how many have actualy sold again?
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    xuniL_z
    24th Jun 2010
  • Well ieL_xyz...
    _
    ...the fact that Apple Stores can't keep them in stock and you have to order them through their website, is one way of looking at it. And when you order something through their website, money changes hands and that counts as a sale. That's another way of looking at it.

    Didn't know we had to teach grade school common sense to ya. But on second thought, maybe we shouldn't be too surprised. That's another way of looking at it.

    wink
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    ubiquitous one
    24th Jun 2010
  • ubitofadickquitous one. You avoid the question then insult me?
    I asked how many have sold, as in give us teh numbers.
    Number shipped has nothing to do with it. That could represent the number Apple claims to have shipped from their China based sweat shops to their U.S. warehouses, can you show where that is not true?
    After all these years of telling us you cna't believe what the company itself releases as true numbers, of course you were always talking about MS since Apple never had volume until this millenium, you are now defending company released shipped numbers as solid and equal to sold numbers? All this because you heard Apple stores can't keep them in stock?
    woo weeee.
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    xuniL_z
    25th Jun 2010
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  • Well ieL_xyz, that's because your question is a load of crap
    I asked how many have sold, as in give us teh numbers.

    Well troll, how many do you think have sold? You seem to have a lot of doubt about this so let's hear it.

    Number shipped has nothing to do with it. That could represent the number Apple claims to have shipped from their China based sweat shops to their U.S. warehouses, can you show where that is not true?

    Uh, yeah...I just bought two of them (at two separate times) and according to FedX they were shipped directly from China. No warehouse stops in between. Let's see 14 days...real-time sales...hmm... Is FedX lying? ;)

    Btw, would these "sweat shops" be any different from say Dell sweatshops? Or HP sweatshops? Or how about any of that Acer junk that windoze makes as one of it's homes?

    After all these years of telling us you cna't believe what the company itself releases as true numbers, of course you were always talking about MS since Apple never had volume until this millenium, you are now defending company released shipped numbers as solid and equal to sold numbers?

    Aww, po' bitter petty shill. Petty, petty little man. Jealous at all the praise the iPad has gotten?

    tsk...tsk...tsk...

    All this because you heard Apple stores can't keep them in stock?

    I didn't have to hear. I already know. Something you have no clue about and never will.

    Maybe you should get some fiber in your diet. That way you won't sound so constipated all the time.

    woo weeee. lol... grin
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    ubiquitous one
    25th Jun 2010
  • ubitterous one
    Nice reply, all full of professional, adult things and commments. Way over my head. Yes sir.

    Glad to hear your fiber regimine is helping you, but don't ASSume anyone else is in the same need.

    Sorry you get so worked up over your beloved Apple and it's criminal CEO Jobs.

    boo hoo. don't cry little feller. Jobs started as a criminal selling illegal long distance stealing devices, so it's just natural he has the criminal element. Hence why he said "We Shamelessly steal great ideas" but left out, from anyone that has not patented them yet so we can do so and make it ours, then sue the original inventor if they ever try to market their own product. LOL!!

    Now run along to your Mommy and she'll give you cookies and milk to make your feel better.
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    xuniL_z
    29th Jun 2010
  • RE: Apple to analysts: Eat my iPad!
    @NStalnecker
    Actually, I differ from (first time) you. You should check the ebook reading experience on it. that alone kills other ebook readers. well, it may not be handy to stand and take notes using netbook. But having tablet size, this is very handy to take notes. I wish ipad had hand-writing recognition like my Windows Tablets and MS Office including OneNote. the iPhone/iPod Touch Apps do not look good on iPad, but the ones that are written for are well. This is an all-in-one device with great User Experience.
    the pluses are
    1. Pleasant ebook reading
    2. Handy to take notes while standing. Sitting and taking notes is not that comfortable unless your are sitting in couch though
    3. Watching Video is good
    4. Well written Apps specifically for iPad.
    5. Good ebook collection.
    Negatives:
    1. iWork - not really good
    2. WiFi issues
    3. not having direct USB support
    4. Missing at least 1.3 MP front facing camera. This would help people to Video Chat easily.
    5. iPhone and iPod Touch apps will not look on this.


    Well if you want to go for a full OS experience and want to run full fledged Apps, go for Windows Tablets. if you want a fancy looking all-in-one device for reading ebooks, watching media and playing the games that have limited capabilities than PC Games and Console Games, then I think you have winner, iPad.
    my 2 Cents.
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    Rama.NET
    23rd Jun 2010
  • Also, the price is not bad compare to ebook readers
    in the market with comparable screen size.

    A Kindle DX (the only model that can be compared) is only good for Black & White ebooks and nothing else for only $10 less than an iPad. Sure, it is a very good ebook reader .... but that is all it can do for basically the same price.
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    wackoae
    23rd Jun 2010
  • RE: Apple to analysts: Eat my iPad!
    @Rama.NET

    Negatives: ... 3. not having direct USB support

    The camera connection kit uses a dock connector to USB adapter. If you plug a flash drive into it, a message tells you that the attached USB device is not supported. So, as of now you can plug a flash drive into an iPad and the iPad knows it's there and knows what it is. I'm guessing USB storage support is only a software upgrade away.

    4. Missing at least 1.3 MP front facing camera. This would help people to Video Chat easily.

    I'm sure we'll see that in gen 2 with all of iOS 4's FaceTime functionality. This fall, possibly.

    5. iPhone and iPod Touch apps will not [good] look on this.

    Many, many developers have been busy updating their apps. This issue is going away fast. Any developer whose apps are worth having has done it already or is working hard to get it done.
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    weels
    24th Jun 2010

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