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Flash tool vendor highlights Adobe’s vision deficit

By | July 4, 2010, 10:32pm PDT

Summary: With the gripes over Apple’s lack of support in its mobile platforms for Adobe’s Flash technology, one of Adobe’s third-party developers is on the right track for handling content: seamless integration of both HTML5 and Flash.

With the gripes over Apple’s lack of support in its mobile platforms for Adobe’s Flash technology, one of Adobe’s third-party developers is on the right track for handling content: seamless integration of both HTML5 and Flash.

Dominey Design offers the Flash authoring tool SlideShowPro for displaying still and rich media content online. In addition, it sells an extension for Adobe Lightroom, a standalone edition, SlidePress (a WordPress plugin) and  SlideShowPro Director, a content management system.

Last week, the company announced SlideShowPro Mobile, a player supporting SlideShow developed sites that doesn’t require the Flash Player plugin. It will provide similar previews and automated content handling as the Flash version.

In a demo video, company founder Todd Dominey said the SlideShowPro system will “allow your content to be not only accessible [on the Internet] but provides a user interface that’s native to the device.” The demo was done on an iPad and showed a preview image for a still image gallery where the content was automatically formatted for screen resolution of the viewing device. Previously, the site would have showed a blank area for the SWF container, he said.

SlideShowPro Mobile is an entirely new media player built using HTML5 that doesn’t require the Flash Player plugin and can serve as a fallback for users accessing your web sites using these devices. But it’s not just any fallback — it’s specially designed for touch interfaces and smaller screen sizes. So it looks nothing like the SlideShowPro player and more like a native application that’s intuitive, easy to use, and just feels right.

The best part though is that because SlideShowPro Director (which will be required) publishes the mobile content, you’ll be able to provide the mobile alternative by simply updating the Flash Player embed code in your HTML documents. And just like when using the SlideShowPro player, because Director is behind the scenes, all your photos will be published for the target dimensions of these devices — which gives your users top quality, first generation images. The mobile player will automatically load whatever content is assigned to the Flash version, so the same content will be accessible to any browser accessing your Web site.

Blogger John Nack said he would like to see this dual support added to the Lightroom version of SlideShowPro.

I want to generate two presentation layers (one Flash, one HTML) that both provide a rich, beautiful presentation of the same image files, and I want the gallery to auto-select the correct presentation layer based on viewers’ devices.  Make the whole tedious Flash-vs.-HTML thing a non-issue for customers.

Support for integrated HTML5 and Java authoring is exactly what Adobe should have announced at its Creative Suite 5 launch in April. But no.

Instead, the company went forward with an anti-Apple advertising jihad, public rants by beloved founders,  complaints to regulators and a hardball pitch to developers. All told, it betrays incredible weakness and a lack of vision on the part of Adobe management. (And no, the HTML5 Pack extension for Dreameaver CS5 doesn’t cut it.)

Of course, content developers, the users of Adobe’s professional products, want to connect with their customers, using the tools that they have invested in. Here’s the vision expressed in Dominey’s blog:

That said, and this may come as a surprise, but we’re very excited over the prospect of alternatives to Flash and the ever increasing power of what’s natively possible in the web browser (without plugins). Why? Because we’re passionate about web design and development, in all forms, with a particular interest in providing photographers and designers the means to create, publish and share engaging online content. The way people access the web may change, but our goal does not.

Exactly.

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David Morgenstern

David Morgenstern has covered the Mac market and other technology segments for 20 years. In the recent past, he founded Ziff-Davis' Storage Supersite, served as news editor for Ziff Davis Internet and held several executive editorial positions at eWEEK. In the 1990s, David was editor of Ziff Davis' award-winning MacWEEK news publication as well as its successor title, eMediaWEEKly, which focused on multiplatform professional content creation. His byline can be found online and in print publications including CreativePro.com, Peachpit Press' Mac Bible and Popular Photography.

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  • How Poetic
    Just what we knew would happen. Adobe's arrogance in thinking they controlled the market now results in the market flowing past them.

    The genie's out of the bottle now.
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    tomogden
    5th Jul 2010
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    LarsDennert
    6th Jul 2010
  • RE: Flash tool vendor highlights Adobe's vision deficit
    @tomogden - one problem: HTML5 does not duplicate EVERY function Flash has, no two vendors will implement HTML5 identically (just like previous versions and standards like CSS, there will be alterations and hassles), and a few sites I've been to do not scroll very smoothly using HTML5 compared to Flash.

    I've appreciated ZDNet's articles of recent, where they do actual analysis and go beyond huff'n'fluff.

    Like:
    http://www.zdnet.com/blog/perlow/web-video-showdown-flash-vs-quicktime-vs-windows-media/13176

    http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/youtube-html5-does-not-yet-meet-all-of-our-needs/8809

    Plus other sites, but they're not hard to find.

    Adobe may be arrogant, but it's not like Microsoft and Apple aren't. (Oh, Canabalt - made on Flash, violated Apple's own policies when converting Flash code to port Canabalt to the iPhone. http://www.edge-online.com/features/gdc-semi-secret-talk-canabalt-flixel So either Apple opens up to everybody again and allows CS5's iPhone converter tool, or they lock EVERYBODY out. They can make the rules but if they choose to be their own referee, it's in awful taste for them to play "cherrypicking" and play favorites.)
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    HypnoToad72
    8th Jul 2010
  • All Adobe wants to do...
    ...is go back to business as usual, having content developers bog down our machines with more sh!tty pop-up ads and useless animations that try to sell us crap that many out there seem to want to do without.

    The fact is the web has gotten too dependent on Adobe and it's time for a change.
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    ahh so
    5th Jul 2010
  • RE: Flash tool vendor highlights Adobe's vision deficit
    @ahh so - question: How do you turn off HTML5-based ads? I don't want to see those either...

    You can't. And with Adobe gone, you're stuck seeing far more sh!tty pop-up ads (your word, not mine) and you won't have a choice. Did an Apple store employee come up with the "Flash ads" routine? I loved getting him to turn red in embarrassment... he couldn't answer either. They're not allowed to think beyond the sales shtick.

    Be careful for what you wish for.
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    HypnoToad72
    8th Jul 2010
  • Adobe began to believe their own hype
    We all work within a community of software. No one company can be the answer to all our development and design needs. I've been an Adobe and Mac user since 1990 and am a loyal NAPP member, but worry that Adobe believes it can solve all of life's problems inside a box of dvds.
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    robinireland
    5th Jul 2010
  • RE: Flash tool vendor highlights Adobe's vision deficit
    @robinireland - logical, but I put Win7 on my Mac Pro and MacBook Pro. Not the easiest decision, but Flash runs stable and fast on Windows. Ironic, but true. And enough site reviews benchmarking Flash vs HTML5 have shown all of the problems Jobs has made mention of seem to be very Mac-centric, or showing HTML5 to be SLOWER - one of those was before 10.1 was released as well.

    http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/does_html5_really_beat_flash_surprising_results_of_new_tests.php
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    HypnoToad72
    8th Jul 2010
  • HTML5
    Flash is going to be available on all major smart phones by mid next year - except iPhone. Therefore allowing developers to deliver to most phones and desktop with a single code.

    HTML5 will require a recode for every single platform and browser - quadrupling the development costs for businesses. The development time required to approach even a fraction of flash is also quadrupling business cost - for an inferior product.

    HTML should just die. We do not need something developed in the 1960's dominating the modern rich media internet age - ridiculous.

    Finally anyone who continues ( looking at you @ ahh so) to write things like this:
    "having content developers bog down our machines with more sh!tty pop-up ads and useless animations that try to sell us crap that many out there seem to want to do without. " needs to realise that this is EXACTLY the intention of HTML5 - except they will be worse, without the benefit of optimisation, will fail across browsers, be without GPU support, and will be unstoppable - the web is heading to 2001 flash web intros via HTML5 - so stop writing illogical ignorant crap about animation and content as though HTML5 is not going to deliver animation and advertising content - retard.

    Flash 10.1 is the most sophisticated video and peer to peer platform ever seen and all major media and entertainment houses will be adopting it as there absolute standard - best you all stop writing ignorant crap and find out why that is and what those features are - because HTML5 sure as **** does not compete with these.

    Grow up.
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    aristophrenia
    5th Jul 2010
  • RE: Flash tool vendor highlights Adobe's vision deficit
    @aristophrenia

    Well stated. I wholeheartedly agree that many that "know-not-what-they-speak" and "have-never-coded" bloggers out there keep confusing HTML5 as some kind of replacement for Flash. First of all, HTML will probably be updated once ever 3-5 years while Flash is regularly steamrolling ahead with new features and capabilities. If you want a brand new phone in 2015 with 2015 technology in it, I would *highly* recommend supporting Flash and those types of technologies. If you don't mind dishing out $500 for a 2015 phone that will run 2008 HTML code (ala HTML5), then by all means, jump on the HTML5 bandwagon. Jump on that $$ bandwagon, so when you want someone to develop a new website for you have them write it several times in HTML5. Or once in Flash. Have them Design several times for all the different color schemes in HTML5. Or once in Flash. Have them Design for the different print codecs. Or once in Flash. Have them spend months to "speed up" slow games (which won't take advantage of current hardware). Or have them write in Flash. You know, the *one* development platform where one render on one system looks the same as it does on other systems? The *one* development platform that has training, literature, experts, several cottage industries, etc. HTML5...well.... what can I say. Someday it will have all those things. Someday.... when the standards bodies actually publish a standard.

    Flash is one of those technologies that I for one believe made the web a better place. If you want an ad-less internet, well that's easy. Just hand your ISP about 3 times what you're paying now. Tell Google to file for bankruptcy. Tell the printing media to start chopping down more trees. And btw... those Flash ads you're griping about now... you know the ones that *do* take advantage of your hardware (that's your graphics card, your CPU, and your RAM folks!) right now...well you won't kiss those goodbye. They'll still be there. Just in HTML5. HTML5 - one of those "emerging" technologies that is already diverging into a couple of different versions. Let's just hope it doesn't turn into one of those VHS vs. Betamax or Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD markets. 'Cause the last time we had that issue everyone paid the price - developers, users, ISP's. Remember Javascript?
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    rock06r
    6th Jul 2010
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    HypnoToad72
    8th Jul 2010
  • FINALLY a sensible perspective...
    Hats off to @aristophrenia for actually getting it right!

    For anyone who thinks HTML5 will usher in an era of ad-free bliss, you are sorely mistaken. People will do the exact same annoying, crappy, buggy ads with HTML5 as they did with Flash, except this time, it's going to be even worse. Yes, WORSE happy

    The beauty part about Flash ads is that you can install something called "click to flash". You can block them. You can disable your Flash plugin if you loathe it that much. With HTML5, you will have no recourse.

    @aristophrenia is correct about this: We are headed 10 years back in time with HTML5, only this time we're supposed to crow about the amazing wonders of it, because it's all done without the aid of a nasty 'ol plug-in... Whoop-de-woo!
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    Random_Dev
    6th Jul 2010
  • RE: Flash tool vendor highlights Adobe's vision deficit
    @Random_Dev - agreed!

    Oh, and you can't disable HTML5 ads either. So when the Apple store employee or internet brawler says "Flash ads, wah wah wah", it's fun to make the "if you hate the ads, why try to get rid of the only product you CAN turn off" response and make them eat their own words?
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    HypnoToad72
    8th Jul 2010
  • No quite
    @ahh so
    I think the point he's trying to make is that too many people who have little or no working knowledge of Flash and HTML are chiming in as "experts" (e.g. bloggers or journalists who have never worked as professional programmers before). Flash is not garbage; it has its problems, but so does Silverlight, and so does every other platform ever created.

    All major software releases are bound to have hiccups, and this is no different, so I'm sorry but quoting an article on MacRumors isn't enough to convince me that Flash is garbage. The fact is, whether you think all us poor Flash devs are ready to "change with the times" or not, there is still (and will continue to be) a lot of good reasons to deploy content on the Web using Flash. Not just technical reasons, mind you, but business ones as well.
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    Random_Dev
    7th Jul 2010
  • I think that's besides the point
    @Random_Dev
    I think the point he's trying to make is that too many people who have little or no working knowledge of Flash and HTML are chiming in as "experts" (e.g. bloggers or journalists who have never worked as professional programmers before). Flash is not garbage; it has its problems, but so does Silverlight, and so does every other platform ever created.

    I think that's besides the point. These developers are supposed to develop products that end users (like myself) would use and without that, there would be no point in development to begin with. That's what business is about. If you don't listen to people who have to use the damm thing, then what's the point?

    All major software releases are bound to have hiccups, and this is no different,

    Flash has been hiccuping since the beginning. It's been out for what? Over 10 years now?

    How many more hiccups do we need to go through before they get a clue? It's still the same resource hog it was from day ONE. And if anything, it's getting even worse with even more junk to load on certain webpages. Even multi-core machines with beaucoup RAM have issues with it.

    so I'm sorry but quoting an article on MacRumors isn't enough to convince me that Flash is garbage.

    That's just one example I came up with. Want more?

    Adobe has been treating Apple like it was the bastard stepchild from the beginning. It's never worked very well on their platform. And Linux is treated even worse. Like a non-entity that doesn't even exist. That's even more pathetic. And let's not forget 64bit and the feeble development behind that.

    The fact is, whether you think all us poor Flash devs are ready to "change with the times" or not, there is still (and will continue to be) a lot of good reasons to deploy content on the Web using Flash. Not just technical reasons, mind you, but business ones as well.

    Oh I don't expect Adobe to go out of business anytime soon. If anything, the complaints about it, the rejection of it on the iPad, and any intense negativity about it in the press will hopefully shine a light-bulb off their heads and they'll do something about it.

    Adobe's been coasting for too many years and taking it's customers for granted. It's time they shaped up and earned their keep.
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    ahh so
    7th Jul 2010
  • RE: Flash tool vendor highlights Adobe's vision deficit
    @aristophrenia - True. There are a lot of sites that have done benchmarks and comparisons, and HTML5 (which isn't even an official finalized standard yet!!) is not a panacea, and won't be by the time it is finalized, at which point there will be enough deviations made by each vendor (Apple, Microsoft, etc)...

    Flash has improved. I do thank Apple for helping urge Adobe on, but Apple's antics are only going to, if they haven't already, backfired. Microsoft knew better when they opted to remain polite while siding with Apple. And Microsoft has a direct competitor to Flash, known as "Silverlight", which is really the only reason MS took a stance. MS doesn't care about anything except what benefits Microsoft, but will side with others over mutual competition. Microsoft's politeness was impressive and mature. I appreciated that, for given the Adobe/Apple relationship up to this year, one would have expected Microsoft to be the immature one.
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    HypnoToad72
    8th Jul 2010

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