Foxconn: Dangerous sweatshop or caring employer?
Summary: A second NYT article on Foxconn' Technology discusses the human cost of assembling iPads and iPhones. Is Apple morally obligated to move assembly jobs back to the U.S.? Can it afford to?
On January 21, 2012 The New York Times published an eye-opening story about how it isn't really practical for Apple to manufacture its gadgets in the United States ("How the U.S. Lost Out on iPhone Work.")
The gist of the piece was that offshoring its manufacturing wasn't only about cheap labor (the conventional wisdom), but that it was more about intellectual capital and scale (and to a smaller extent, logistics). The central argument was that the U.S. simply didn't have enough engineers and skilled employees to build iPhones and iPads in the quantities that Apple required.
"What U.S. plant can find 3,000 people overnight and convince them to live in dorms?"
At a dinner with Silicon Valley CEOs eight months before his death President Obama reportedly asked Steve Jobs "What would it take to make iPhones in the United States?”
Jobs is rumored to have replied that "those jobs are gone."
A current Apple executive put things even more bluntly, saying:
"We sell iPhones in over a hundred countries, We don’t have an obligation to solve America’s problems. Our only obligation is making the best product possible."
On January 25, 2012 The Times published a scathing follow-up to the pro-offshoring article that was much more critical of the practice, focusing on the human cost of manufacturing gadgets overseas ("In China, Human Costs Are Built Into an iPad.")
Employees work excessive overtime, in some cases seven days a week, and live in crowded dorms. Some say they stand so long that their legs swell until they can hardly walk. Under-age workers have helped build Apple’s products, and the company’s suppliers have improperly disposed of hazardous waste and falsified records...
But it's not just Apple. According to the first NYT piece Foxconn Technology assembles roughly 40 percent of all consumer electronics, and counts among its clients: Amazon, Dell, Hewlett-Packard, Motorola, Nintendo, Nokia, Samsung and Sony. There's a better-than-average chance that you're reading this on a machine assembled by Foxconn.
The second NYT article puts a human face on the quasi-anonymous machine that manufactures most of our gadgets "over there." It's an important read that adds much-needed context to human welfare issues that surround the growing tech industry -- and it ups the emotional and physical cost of the gadgets that we increasingly covet.
While not an excuse for poor working conditions or human rights violations it's important to remember that corporations are beholden to their shareholders and obligated to maximize profits. But at what cost?
Should Apple move its manufacturing onshore (back to the U.S.) if it means being less competitive?
Would you pay a premium for an iPad that was "Made in the U.S.A.?" (How much?)
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RE: Foxconn: Dangerous sweatshop or caring employer?
Apparently skill isn't really needed, considering the working conditions of China.
"What U.S. plant can find 3,000 people overnight and convince them to live in dorms?"
What? Umm, have they checked unemployment and housing numbers recently? A dorm's better than nothing.
"We sell iPhones in over a hundred countries, We don???t have an obligation to solve America???s problems. Our only obligation is making the best product possible."
Hey, welcome to the standard selfish attitude of big business. My advice is to perhaps look at the top of large businesses for the reason why we're having such issues.
"it???s important to remember that corporations are beholden to their shareholders and obligated to maximize profits."
DING DING DING! THAT'S THE PROBLEM!
We're not a nation driven by consumers. We're a nation driven by the stock market.
RE: Foxconn: Dangerous sweatshop or caring employer?
Agree with this 100%
RE: Foxconn: Dangerous sweatshop or caring employer?
Bullseye!
You'll have no argument from me!
+1
RE: Foxconn: Dangerous sweatshop or caring employer?
Yeah, that's why we need to get rid of regulation! Yeah, right! Well, that's what the Ronald Reagan/Newt Gingrich lead "Republican Revolution" told us, and the TEA partiers still seem to believe.
Since the secularization of western society, with the application of modern secular humanist philosophy in all our universities, considering we live in a so-called "democracy" comprised of such individuals (imbued with this method of thinking), what would one expect?
They didn't say get rid of all regulation.
And, to my knowledge, didn't suggest removing many of the regulations which would protect workers from these kinds of working conditions. So your post is nothing but a strawman.
And what is your alternative?
RE: Foxconn: Dangerous sweatshop or caring employer?
Clinton oversaw massive outsourcing and Glass-Steagall was repealed under his administration. This isn't a partisan thing. Everyone over there is corrupt. Reform is needed. Companies didn't move over there because it was cheaper to simply let your lab explode than to vacuum out the particulates left from the "glass" polishing. Increasing the minimum wage didn't fix anything either. Both sides are wasting time and money which are both increasingly in short supply.
RE: Foxconn: Dangerous sweatshop or caring employer?
Agreed
I really liked the comment the CBS Sunday Morning Show had about the same story. Essentially, they said Apple was complaining about being in the spotlight on this... but they're in the spotlight because the general public sees them as [b]the[/b] leading manufacturer of consumer electronics. Kind of like how Microsoft was targeted years ago by the DoJ because they were the "leading" producer of PC operating systems, Apple is the leader in consumer electronics...and the leader is the one that has to deal with all of the crap before anyone else does.
Not to mention that only 38% of Apple's suppliers met the standards that Apple supposedly "requires" of them when it comes to labor requirements (i.e. maximum hours worked per week, minimum age of workers, etc.). Yet they didn't include in their report any statement to the effect of, "The remaining 62% have either been dropped from our supplier list, or are being told we won't pay them until they shape up".
RE: Foxconn: Dangerous sweatshop or caring employer?
RE: Foxconn: Dangerous sweatshop or caring employer?
Sure, if you can find somebody here willing to work for $2 an hour. Then you'll compete.
[i]What? Umm, have they checked unemployment and housing numbers recently? A dorm's better than nothing.[/i]
I'm sure importing cheap, illegal aliens in from Mexico can do the job. After all, our sweatshops are better than their sweatshops. Right?
[i]Hey, welcome to the standard selfish attitude of big business. My advice is to perhaps look at the top of large businesses for the reason why we're having such issues.[/i]
You can ask Microsoft all about those H1B workers they import on the cheap. We don't want to give programmers [b]too much[/b] money now do we...
[i]DING DING DING! THAT'S THE PROBLEM![/i]
Does that only apply to Apple or are other [i](cough)[/i] unnamed corporations in it as well?
[i]We're not a nation driven by consumers. We're a nation driven by the stock market.[/i]
Well finally! Doh
RE: Foxconn: Dangerous sweatshop or caring employer?
RE: Foxconn: Dangerous sweatshop or caring employer?
I believe in real free-market capitalism, and I fully understand that corporations exist to make profits, but in a free market, consumers have the ability to refuse to buy products for any reason whatsoever. While Apple is not obligated to solve America's problems, Americans are. While I would prefer to see manufacturing in the USA, I draw the line at companies that are using contract manufacturers that treat their workers as slaves. My cheaper gadget isn't worth causing human misery. Yes, I will pay more--even much more--if I know that the people who are working to make it are working by choice and not force, are working in safe conditions and are allowed to sleep and see their families.
So next time I buy a gadget, I will make sure it's not manufactured by Foxconn. That is, unless and until these huge companies, Apple, Amazon, etc., force Foxconn to abide by humanitarian standards in the workplace.
The sad thing is Apple is not passing the savings on to you.
I think you missed the boat... Yet again...
Some day they will unionize and assembly will move to the next cheapest country... But until then, it will stay in China, (where they want it bad enough to make it work).
RE: Foxconn: Dangerous sweatshop or caring employer?
No that's not slavery or even close. IF it was slavery then they would not be allowed to leave those dorms except to work, entire families would be working those lines from children old enough to walk to elderly who are able to walk. These people do have the freedom to walk out and try to find a job somewhere else if they so choose.
I'm not defending the working conditions there - from what I have read IMHO they are horrible - but calling it slavery is inaccurate.
That's why he qualified it with "pretty close to".
RE: Foxconn: Dangerous sweatshop or caring employer?