Gates "dares anybody" to exploit Vista

Gates "dares anybody" to exploit Vista

Summary: Microsoft chairman Bill Gates talked with Newsweek magazine's Steven Levy about the new version of Windows and shared his views on the "I'm a Mac" television commercials. In excerpts from the interview Gates goes on the offensive and claims that the security in Vista is better that the security in the Mac.

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Windows VistaMicrosoft chairman Bill Gates talked with Newsweek magazine's Steven Levy about the new version of Windows and shared his views on the "I'm a Mac" television commercials. In excerpts from the interview Gates goes on the offensive and claims that the security in Vista is better that the security in the Mac:

Levy: You also talk about improved security in Vista.
Gates: Yes, although security is a [complicated concept]. You’re [referring to] the fact that there have been some security updates already for Windows Vista. This is exactly the way it should work. When somebody comes to us [after discovering a vulnerability] we’ve got [a fix] before there is any exploit. So it’s totally according to plan, and that’s why we have the whole Windows Update thing. We made it way harder for guys to do exploits. The number [of violations] will be way less because we’ve done some dramatic things [to improve security] in the code base. Apple hasn’t done any of those things. 

Gates even goes so far as to issue a challege to hackers to exploit Vista while calling the Mac's security sub-standard (because of the MOAB hacks): 

Nowadays, security guys break the Mac every single day. Every single day, they come out with a total exploit, your machine can be taken over totally. I dare anybody to do that once a month on the Windows machine.

Gates is uncharacteristically harsh to Apple in the piece calling the company liars and thieves. It's an interesting read.

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  • el oh el

    I laughed out loud when I read this interview the other day. It makes one wonder what universe Gates lives in. Yes there have been security vulnerabilities for the Mac, but none of the have been weaponized yet. As for windows, there is unpatched zero day exploits that are being exploited right now (the few unpatched office exploits come to mind).

    I can't believe that there has not been more coverage of this.
    Stuka
    • Face It Apple Heads

      The only reason Mac is not as exploited as Windows is because they are simply not the target of the exploiters.

      Just hope Mac nevers outsells Windows, then you'll be in their sights. It's the whole topple Goliath deal. Your'e safe because even though the CEO of Apple has more money than God, you geeks have done a good job of acting like the little guy.
      ericseba
      • er...

        A: "Mac" is not a company, its a model. When you say "Just hope Mac never outsells Windows" it makes you look like an idiot.

        B: We just had a 'Month of Apple Bugs" where hackers tried to find exploits. And yes they did find a few, but most were in 3rd party apps, or local user escalation, not huge holes.

        C: You are saying Jobs has more money than God? Where does that put Gates, which easily has 50x more cash than Jobs?
        Stuka
        • Actually...

          You are correct; a Mac is a computer model, however, a quick visit to Apple's website and lo and behold, what's the name of their software? Mac O/S ..... That would then render the term "Mac" comparable to "Windows" for purpose of comparison. Obviously, I meant to say if the sales of "Macs" ever surpass the sales of "Windows" based computers then your precious operating system will most assuredly be found to be just as vulnerable as Windows.

          Again, because you guys are the media darlings and present yourselves as the "little guys", you are safe from the exploiters.

          As to the amount of money Gates has in comparison to Jobs, perhaps he should make a better, more affordable computer. God knows he can't blame it on lack of marketing.
          ericseba
          • "hat's the name of their software? Mac O/S ....."

            No...it is OS X for the Mac.
            nomorems
          • Wasting your breath

            You're wasting your breathe on Ericseba, he's a full fledged hater of all things Mac. I
            faxed him a pitcher for the Gates Koolaid last week, and he's been deliirious ever
            since.

            Ericseba is owned on these blogs atleast 15 times a day, could someone let him out
            of the basement?.
            RedpawGraphics
      • Another obsessive

        It's fascinating, I think there are more Windows users on ZDNet obsessed with Mac Fanboys than there are Mac Fanboys. Well, at least there are certainly more posts about Mac Fanboys than there are posts by Mac Fanboys.
        tic swayback
        • Wrong

          I've only recently noticed the number of Mac, Linux, etc.. boys that are out there. I get ZDNet's email updates and I've been fascinated and amazed and finally appalled at the number of anti-Microsoft editorials I see on ZDNet.

          My main reason for purchasing windows based pc's is upgradability, price and frankly the amount of software available for pc versus Mac. I have no special affection for Bill Gates, but I find the unmitigated hate for him by the Mac and Linux crowd to be rather comical.

          He has built a well supported product that functions well for the average user. I use my computer for music downloading, converting, movie making, spreadhseets and playing games like F.E.A.R. Of course your'e probably not familiar with that game because it's not available for your awesome system. Unless of course you chose to run dual operating systems, in which case Bill still gets your money for his operating system whereas Jobs has punked you for the overpriced machine and the operating system.
          ericseba
          • Sorry, not buying it

            ---My main reason for purchasing windows based pc's is upgradability, price and frankly the amount of software available for pc versus Mac.---

            Odd. Your PC will run Windows software and Linux software. My Mac will run OSX software, Windows software and Linux software. If the amount of software available for a platform was your main priority, why would you have chosen such a limited option?

            ---I have no special affection for Bill Gates, but I find the unmitigated hate for him by the Mac and Linux crowd to be rather comical.---

            Yet you seem to have no problem acting the same way towards Steve Jobs. Seems oddly hypocritical.

            ---Of course your'e probably not familiar with that game because it's not available for your awesome system.---

            Sure it is. I can run any Windows game I'd like on my Mac. Now let's see you run GarageBand and iMovie.
            tic swayback
          • re: Sorry, not buying it

            Tic, Tic, Tic. (Sounds like an active time bomb, doesn't it?)

            Not that I expect you'll read or respond to this, but...

            "Odd. Your PC will run Windows software and Linux software. My Mac will run OSX software, Windows software and Linux software. If the amount of software available for a platform was your main priority, why would you have chosen such a limited option?"

            Presuming that one could actually *install and use* OS X on a non-Apple computer, with the ability to use the Mac GUI, pray tell what OS X and Mac applications can do that I cannot already do on my PC? Ignore, for the moment, that certain specific Mac applications (either bundled with the OS or third-party apps) may be prettier. I want to know if there are Mac-only applications that have no Windows-based analogues. Name a few, with basic descriptions of their function(s).

            And, if there is a "limitation", it is that I can't use OS X on my PC *because* Apple has created that limitation, not because *my* PC is limited.

            "---Of course your'e probably not familiar with that game [F.E.A.R] because it's not available for your awesome system.---

            Sure it is. I can run any Windows game I'd like on my Mac. Now let's see you run GarageBand and iMovie."

            If possible, kindly stop playing semantics games. Are you an ambulance chaser by trade?

            Actually, without the ability to install Windows as dual-boot on your Mac, you *wouldn't* be able to play F.E.A.R. Or very many other popular games. Remove that dual-boot-to-Windows ability and that part of your argument completely falls apart. The same straw argument applies to any other application written for Windows which has not been ported over to run on the Mac OS. Or Linux, for that matter.


            Oh, and kindly explain why I would want to run GarageBand or iMovie.
            M.R. Kennedy
          • What's your point

            Um, are you confused? You seem to be under the impression that being able to run Windows on a Mac somehow doesn't count. Guess what--it does. I said it before and I'll say it again--if you want access to the widest array of available programs, buy a Mac. End of story. If that's not your priority (although the original poster said it was), then purchase accordingly.

            ---what OS X and Mac applications can do that I cannot already do on my PC?---

            Off the top of my head, GarageBand, which I already mentioned, iMovie and iDVD, Delicious Library, to name just a few. You may indeed find PC equivalents (well, not for GarageBand, at least without paying thousands of dollars), but they won't work as well. These are all best of breed applications. If quality does not matter to you, purchase accordingly.

            ---And, if there is a "limitation", it is that I can't use OS X on my PC *because* Apple has created that limitation, not because *my* PC is limited.---

            Absolutely true. Sucks to be you with your limited machine, whatever the reason. And it is limited, because it can't do as much as my Mac. Again, if living with limitations is okay with you, purchase accordingly.

            ---If possible, kindly stop playing semantics games.---

            Do you know the meaning of the word "semantics"? He said I couldn't find out about some cool game because I own a Mac. I told him I can play it any time I'd like, because I can run Windows on my Mac. What's semantical about that?

            ---Actually, without the ability to install Windows as dual-boot on your Mac, you *wouldn't* be able to play F.E.A.R. Or very many other popular games. Remove that dual-boot-to-Windows ability and that part of your argument completely falls apart.---

            Duh. However, that ability exists. End of story. Your argument is useless in the real world. Here's one just as meaningful:
            Actually, without the keyboard and mouse on your Windows machine you wouldn't be able to play F.E.A.R. Or very many other popular games. Remove the keyboard and mouse and that part of your argument falls apart.

            Dual booting is part of the Mac package. Deal with it.

            ---Oh, and kindly explain why I would want to run GarageBand or iMovie.---

            Because you have a life? You like listening to music or watching video?
            tic swayback
          • Have you heard of Final Cut Pro?

            Or any versions of Final cut, Shake or Logic or Aperture? There are a lot of Mac
            specific tools available, just as there are Windows only tools and Linux only tools.

            You keep beating the same old straw arguments about no software, too
            expensive, etc. etc. We Mac users have heard these things for 15 or 20 years from
            the anti-Mac fanatics who happen to sip the same kool-aide we Mac users are
            accused of sipping. Why else would anyone be so arrogantly adamant about
            extinguishing Mac users or Linux users from the computing community? We Mac
            users get offended because we've heard the same old lies and FUD about our
            favorite computing platform for years and years.

            I don't hate Bill Gates. I don't worship Steve Jobs. They are both very wealthy
            calculating men who say what needs to be said to further their well-being. Are
            either of them trustworthy? It depends on your point of view. Both men are
            tremendously loyal to the products they make and to the companies they have
            founded. Would either of them say something publicly which is half true in order
            to sell a product or to further his company? Absolutely!!!

            I choose to use Macintosh products because Macs are more dependable than
            Windows PCs. They have better hardware-software integration. For the work I do,
            Macintosh is clearly a better tool. Windows does one hell of a job trying to make
            software that is compatible with a LOT of hardware. While it is Windows strength,
            it is also Window's weakness. Windows on expensive high quality hardware works
            pretty well, but when you get cheap hardware with crummy drivers, you get a
            crappy computer. I spend more money on software than hardware, and I want to
            get the best working experience possible and that's what Macintosh does for me.

            I get so weary of reading anti-Mac garbage from people who have completely false
            conceptions of Macintosh and hate it because it is different from what they use. I
            use Windows when I have to. It's an OK operating system. The user experience is a
            little more cumbersome than the Mac user experience which doesn't include
            constantly battling spyware, viruses and other malware. Macs are more stable and
            do multitasking better than Windows, but Windows does a lot of things very well
            and for many Windows might be the best choice for them. At least we have
            choices, which I believe many of the anti-Mac crowd wish we didn't have.
            MacGeek2121
          • lol

            >>>Sure it is. I can run any Windows game I'd like on my Mac.<<<

            Of course you can, but that $50.00 game would end up costing you $300.00. ;)
            dwsmith
          • Nope.

            'Cuz I won't have to spend 300 to upgrade my Windows to Vista and I won't have to spend 400 to upgrade my PC hardware so that it CAN run Vista.

            Oh...and Dual Boot is free!
            nomorems
          • I think you missed the point

            "'Cuz I won't have to spend 300 to upgrade my Windows to Vista and I won't have to spend 400 to upgrade my PC hardware so that it CAN run Vista.

            Oh...and Dual Boot is free!"

            He said he could run any Windows Game on his Mac. Therefore he would have to spend the $250.00 for a Vista License to run that $50.00 Windows game.

            Oh, and Dual boot is free! but the license to run Windows in your second partition isn't!
            dwsmith
          • I know I have Win2K DVD's laying about from the Dev License at work.

            Are you serious suggesting that a GAME is out that REQUIRES Vista? NOT!
            nomorems
          • No, please read what I actually wrote

            Just some that reuire Windows. Please read my response again, HE mentioned Vista, I ran with that for pricing examples.
            dwsmith
          • WHY?

            Why would I run garage band and Imovie?
            I can run Avid and Nuendo
            agaudet
          • Please...who uses a PC to play games?

            That is for a Game Console. Go ahead, turn your computer into a toy. I prefer to use mine for real work.
            nomorems
          • I use it for both.... Surprise! I can actually do that.

            All work and no play makes nomorems, a grumpy Mac user. :)
            dwsmith