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How pathetic is Microsoft’s ‘Macs might spoil your fun’ campaign?

By | August 10, 2010, 1:54pm PDT

Summary: The managers stalking the halls in Redmond must finally feel confident in Windows 7, enough that heading into the back-to-school season, they are pitching an Apple attack ad that warns users that “Macs might spoil your fun.” However, Microsoft’s problem is that the piece appears unlikely to square with reality of the target segment: the happening crowd on campus.

The managers stalking the halls in Redmond must finally feel confident in Windows 7, enough that heading into the back-to-school season, they are pitching an Apple attack ad that warns users that “Macs might spoil your fun.” However, Microsoft’s problem is that the piece appears unlikely to square with reality of the target segment: the happening crowd on campus.

This pitch appears to be an attempt to combat the strong return of the Macintosh to the education market, both in secondary and in higher education. According to Global Equities Research analyst Trip Chowdhry, 70 percent of college freshmen are choosing Macs over Windows machines, up 10 to 15 percent from the year-ago back-to-school season.

The “PC vs Mac” section is a tab on the Windows 7 site. The page features a young girl with big brown eyes with a Mona Lisa smile. And she’s ready for having fun, simplicity, working hard, sharing, compatibility and choice, although it appears that she already made the last one: We know she loves her Windows 7!

Here are the primary bullet points from the presentation:

Having Fun. When it’s time to enjoy movies, games, and HDTV from anywhere in your home, PCs are ready to play.

Simplicity. Intuitive, familiar, and easy to use, PCs do what you want: they just work.

Working Hard. PCs are always ready, willing, and—most importantly—able to get down to business.

Sharing. Whether you’re working or playing, PCs know how to help you get along with others.

Compatibility.
Most software is developed for PCs, and your PC will work with your music players, phones, cameras, and other devices.

Choice. Pick a color you love. Midnight blue, espresso, or pink? PCs offer the most variety and options to match your style or price point.

Each of these issues is expanded with a click. Of course, many of them make sense. But not all. And more to the marketing point, does the target audience care about these points?

Here are a few quick thoughts about each of the primary issues (without hitting every detail:

It’s showtime - You can’t get a Mac that ships with a Blu-ray player, TV tuner, Memory Stick reader, or built-in 3G wireless. You can with PCs running Windows 7.

Direct TV connection - Most Macs can’t hook up to your TV unless you buy a converter dongle. Many PCs running Windows 7 are designed to connect directly to TVs, so you can watch movies and see photos on the big screen.

Unlike dorm rooms of past generations, there are few televisions in today’s student housing. Your laptop is the vehicle for viewing streaming media. So, the TV connection is a non-issue to this segment. Blu-ray is an issue for large-screen HDTVs, not really for small screens.

In the “Macs Take Time to Learn” section, Microsoft says that the computer you already know is the easiest to use and that Macs come with a learning curve. This is, of course, absolutely true. That doesn’t mean that you will love using that PC.

Use Windows 7 to simplify your life - Windows 7 was designed to make it simpler to do the tasks you do every day, with features that the Mac doesn’t have. For example, the new Snap feature makes it easy to view two documents side by side.

Touch and go - Unlike Macs, many PCs running Windows 7 support Touch, so you can browse online newspapers, flick through photo albums, and shuffle files and folders—using nothing but your fingers. PCs with a fingerprint reader even let you log in with just a swipe of your finger.

Apple has its own share of pioneering UI elements in Mac OS X, such as Expose and Spaces, that users find essential to their increased productivity. And I seem to remember that it’s been Apple that has driven touch into the mobile interface, first with the TrackPad and now with multitouch. Hello?

If most of the computers in your office or school run Windows you may find it harder to get things done with a Mac.

Sharing documents and spreadsheets - If you use Apple’s productivity suite, sharing files with PC users can be tricky. Your documents might not look right and your spreadsheets might not calculate correctly.

Giving presentations - You’ll have to buy a separate hardware dongle to plug your Mac into a standard VGA projector. Most PCs with Windows 7 hook up easily.

Protecting your drives - On a Mac, out of the box, you can only encrypt your home folder. With Windows 7 Ultimate, you can encrypt your entire hard drive and even USB drives. So your stuff can be safer wherever you go.

Are college students worried about encryption of their primary drives let alone a backup drive (be honest, do any of them ever back up anything)?

If there’s a problem with file compatibility, students can purchase Office for Mac or use one of the Office substitutes. I have found that Numbers and Pages offer very good compatibility for most non-technical purposes. And Mac OS X was built on a foundation of PDF, saving any document to PDF is just like printing on the Mac and no extra software is needed to create or view PDF files.

Securely share your movies, music, and photos - With a Mac, it’s harder to set up secure sharing for your photos, music & movies, documents, and even printers with other computers on your home network. With HomeGroup, it’s easy to connect all the computers in your house running Windows 7.

It’s easy with a PC - On a Mac, you have to manually set up photo sharing, manually set up music and movie sharing, manually set up file sharing, and manually set up printer sharing. It’s easy to automatically and securely network with all the computers in your house when they’re running Windows 7.

Harry McCracken discusses the PC vs. Mac site over at the Technologizer blog, and the former PCWorld editor is mostly fair in his analysis, calling it “almost reasonalble.”  Here’s his take on this point:

Microsoft’s specific claims are accurate, but they’re not the whole story. Windows 7′s HomeGroup networking does put more sharing features in one place than OS X does. But it requires that all the computers run Windows 7–to use Microsoft’s terminology, “Windows 7 PCs only like to share with other Windows 7 PCs.” Apple’s Home Sharing is actually part of iTunes, not OS X, and it only does music and video. But it works with multiple versions of OS X…and with Windows.

One of the weakest points in Microsoft’s pitch is that “Macs might not like your PC stuff.” Since there are more PCs in the world and more software for them, then you won’t be able to run what you need on your Mac, the site points out.

Yes, this is so. However, Macintosh hardware is the one platform in the world that can actually run natively three primary operating systems: Mac OS X, Windows and Linux. It may require a reboot (or not if you decide to pay for third-party software) but a Mac can run all Mac, Windows and Linux software programs. So, it’s actually the most conservative choice.

Finally, Microsoft points to the many different configurations available from Windows PCs.

Available in your favorite color - Macs only come in white or silver. PCs are available in a full spectrum of colors across a range of price points.

McCracken notes that Microsoft isn’t hyping cost as much as it has in past campaigns. The price difference between Windows machines and Macs is called the “Apple tax.”

I keep contending that the more similar a Windows PC is to a Mac, the more likely it is that the price is similar. I’m not sure if the lack of Apple-Tax math in this new comparison means Microsoft is conceding this point. Actually, I suspect it hasn’t, but I’m glad “we’re cheap!” isn’t the overriding message for now.

In Apple’s latest earning call in July, the company said that it had record Mac sales in U.S. educational institutions “despite state budget constraints.”

Here’s analyst Chowdhry’s conclusion about Microsoft and education:

He also said attach rates for Office 2010 are declining, especially in the public and education sectors and in call centers, which in all make up about 10 percent of the Office business. Attach rates refer to copies of Office sold per each copy of Windows owned.

THE ANALYSIS: “Our research is indicating that Microsoft is unable to connect with the new generation of users,” Chowdhry wrote, adding that this could cause problems down the road when these students enter the work force and once again pick Macs over Windows.

In mid-July, Gartner released its Q2 2010 PC shipments data. In the U.S. market, Apple had a 9.8 share, a 24.7 percent year-over-year growth. For someone who watched the Mac’s share rise in the 1980s and fall in the late 1990s, that 9.8 percent share is amazing. Will some “generational shift” as Chowdhry suggests keep that share growing? We Mac fans can keep believing it will be so someday.

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RE: How pathetic is Microsoft's 'Macs might spoil your fun' campaign?
jackson1984-24316069205748857739440257893812 11th Oct
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... Blu-ray files that is.
"Blu-ray is an issue for large-screen HDTVs, not really for small screens."
Well, I watch lots of files which started out as Blu-ray on my 24" iMac, and the quality is night and day better than your typical 700 mb avi file.

Oh, and about this "Mac or PC" stuff; Macs are PC's. You can run Win7 in a cute little window for your old but needed applications.
@HollywoodDog - called "virtual machines". Or ran under "Boot Camp" if one needs the extra processing power.

And it's not a "PC vs Mac" issue when it comes down to comparing a 700MB video download vs a 50GB disc. Video quality on the latter will eclipse the former at every turn. Watching a movie in a little window isn't the same thing, but at least I can plug my Windows laptop with Blu-Ray drive into my HDTV. Can't with the Mac, not without buying extra gear and hooking up extra cables and doing all the things that go against one of their ye olde iMac ads about "simplicity"...
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The truly amazing thing
LiquidLearner 14th Aug 2010
@HollywoodDog

Is that the author touches on this in the article yet conveniently leaves out the most important point. Microsoft doesn't build computers, they make an operating system. So if you buy Windows 7 for your Mac then you are no different to Microsoft than any other PC user. You have still purchased Windows. In fact it's actually beneficial to Microsoft for someone to buy a Mac instead of a Dell and then purchase a copy of Windows after. Dell, or any other T1 OEM, pays FAR less per copy of Windows than Microsoft makes off a user purchasing a stand alone OEM or Retail copy. So in all honesty, Microsoft makes more money off Mac users that also run Windows than they do off Dell or HP users.

I always find the argument that macs can run Windows an insanely funny one. Intel and Microsoft are still getting paid. And if you have Windows on your Mac you're almost certain to get Office to run within Windows.
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@LiquidLearner They don't want Apple as a dominent platform because then most people might be like, "Why do I need a Second Operating System, I'll just buy Microsoft Office for Mac."
@LiquidLearner

Wrong on so many levels. I have a Mac in the first place, and then Windows in a Parallels VM. I use Windows for various, miscellaneous things, but one thing I'll never install is Office. You really think I'm going to pay $200+ for slow, bug-riden, bloatware that's only installable on one PC? Oh HELL no. I paid $70 for my iWork family pack, and is on all of my five Macs. It's faster, more intuitive, less resource-intensive, and makes me jump through less hoops (if any) and stays out of my way with no "ribbon" full of useless features (for the sake of features).
Let's face it the only part that matters is "Choice"

"You can't get a Mac with a Blu-ray player, TV tuner, Memory Stick reader, or built-in 3G wireless. PCs running Windows 7 often come with features that aren't available on even the highest end Macs, including Blu-ray, eSATA, multi-format card readers, Touch, and mobile broadband."

I like making my own choices. as for having Jobsy boy make my choices for me? No thanks.
to go with Steve Jobs' solution isn't really a choice, because the only choices that count are the ones I would make...
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Nope. Not exactly.
Cayble 10th Aug 2010
@frgough
I guess your doing your best to be funny. Ha. Ha. Hoped that helped. Now on to the point.

If you chose to go with Steve Jobs choice, obviously you still are making a choice. The question is what are you choosing about? Possible suggestions I can think of are as follows;

1. Is it about choosing the best system for you based on the absolute best combination of hardware for your purposes that you can reasonably get hold of thats within your price range?

2. Is it about choosing the best system for you based on the absolute best combination of hardware for your purposes that you can reasonably get hold of thats within your price range that will run a specific OS?

3. Is it about choosing the best system for you based on an almost unbelievably limited number of pre-configured hardware combinations thats within your price range that will run a specific OS?

Figure it out. If your going route #3 you are likely making one choice in what can be a very complicated purchase, particularly if getting the best for your money in such a purchase is important to you. Going the choice of Jobs is only a choice on your part as to whats the most you can afford. Jobs has pretty much made all the decisions for you once you answer that. Its not much of a choice.

So yes, your 100% right. Its actually an old saying, I'm surprised you missed the implications for your kind of choice. The old saying is "Even if you chose not to decide you still have made a choice". Like purchasing an Apple in some respects. I guess there are ways to live with it.
@ Cayble

Yes I guess it's a bit like a car really - If I buy a mercedes I am limited because it comes with wheels, seats, doors, safety electronics etc.

If I were to go down to the wreckers and buy a Chassis I could choose what parts to add to make it my choice. Clearly this would give me a better car because I had chosen the parts and spent time and money making them work.

The car manufacturers are such fascists taking all that choice away from me and charging me for the privilege of adding things I may not want!!!
@User 13 Choice is fine, Apple let you make LOTS of choices, nobody is telling you what you can and can't connect to your Mac, and Macs have the common connectors (USB, Firewire, WiFi - not strictly a connector I know, PCI Express, Audio in/out, Gig Ethernet, Mini DisplayPort in/out - which can connect to most things albeit with a Apple or third-party adaptor, SD card slot) what's your point?
@Jeremy-UK - yeah, but non-Apple vendors let you make LOTS MORE choices.

Plus, Firewire on the Mac is not all that great. I've two hard drives, external, daisy-chained with firewire 800 (FW800). On my 2009 Mac Pro. When ejecting the drive from the desktop, it doesn't do so completely and I've issues shutting down. I found a workaround, but when people buy into the koolaid saying "Macs 'just work'", I have to respond, "Who paid for that cheap advertisement jingo"?
@olePigeon

Yes that is what Jeremy-UK is saying - all of the connectors are there to add 3rd party.

And the connectors are there - ready for you.
@User 13
Macs will ruin your wallet? Not at all true...How much is a few year old windows PC worth? Nothing, would be the short answer...I've done a ton of research before buying my new 27' Imac and the first thing I noticed was they have a strong resale value...Look on Ebay, see for yourself...I've bought at least a dozen windows boxes and after a few years either just pitch them in the trash or give them away...They have zip,zero, nada resale value...From what I've seen I can use this Imac for a few years and recoup about 50% or more of my initial purchase price to upgrade to the newest model when I choose...That's an option you will never have with any windows box and ultimately makes the Mac the better value...
@GENESIS667@... "I've bought at least a dozen windows boxes and after a few years either just pitch them in the trash or give them away"

Build your own with quality components like me and you wont have that problem.
@User13@...
Not everyone who lives in a house is (or wants to be) a carpenter.
@GENESIS667@... Try 50%. When selling my first Mac (2009 iMac), it lost 25% of its value. My price was on par with others' prices. And looking at a three year-old iMac, I wouldn't pay half its value.

Value is in the eye of the beholder.

Maybe that's why (a) so many jobs have been devalued in terms of wages, and (b) nobody puts in the quality of work they otherwise would do because of (a)... sorry to disgress.
@User 13
If you want a Windows machine equipped as near as possible to a Mac you will have to pay much the same price. Cheap inevitably means nasty. I've seen that fact demonstrated time and time again among my Windows-using friends.
@Laraine Anne Barker

No - it's worse.

I know of no windows geek who doesn't believe in wiping their PC and starting again every 6-12 months. This is a waste of time and money.

The average life for a Mac for me and my family is about 9 years.

I have a few mac laptops in my room from the family where the reason they are no longer used is because the battery has got to the stage where it is no longer worth it. Or the hinge has been broken due to many many years of use. These laptops run fine and still outdo the much newer PC laptops of the people I know. In fact they outdo any Windows machine at startup, and any windows machine that has got to the 1 year stage and has not been wiped and rebuilt.

Yet these Macs have never been wiped and rebuilt.

I choose computers that work well for years over computers that are slow and get worse after about 1 year.

OK so my new iMac is silver and black and not pink - but then if I wanted it to be pink I could have had that too. It is possible, and always has been to change the colour of a Mac,
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@User 13

Yes - and I for one have made a choice - to use what is best.

I do not want to consult a wizard every time I wish to do something - that is my choice.

The wizard and the hours of messing about With Windows (even 7) are the choice of Mr Gates & Mr Ballmer.

If you believe that their choices are actually freedom - then choose that kind of continual maintenance in order to be 'free'.
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Many of these kids are going to have an iPhone or Android device. The iPhone is obviously going to work best with a Mac. Android works where ever you plug it in. I hope they aren't banking on the kids having Win Phone 7 devices lol. The only place this may have made sense would be BlackBerrys but we are talking about kids. Same thing with music players. Seems like they are completely out of touch with the market and again trying to get done with ads what they can't with their products.
@storm14k
The iPhone is obviously going to work best with a Mac.

Yes - but it works well without one, and with windows.

Most iPhone users I know to do not have a Mac.

Many iPhone users never hook their iPhone up to a computer at all.

Nice try to spin for Android - but not supported by the facts I'm afraid.
@storm14k - Windows Phone 7 is not a good OS. (It's the same thing as Windows Mobile 5, 6, and 6.5, which is effectively the same thing as PocketPC 2002, and PocketPC 2003. Just a name change, with various code alterations or additions. )
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Ha, I'm a spammer now lol
User 13 Updated - 10th Aug 2010
Spam? my message was spam? I fairly pointed out that the "choice" catagory was spot on you forking fanbois report me as spam lol Mac's suck for flexibility and variety if you can't handle that get off the god damn internet. And the "Macs might spoil your fun" campaign is no more pathetic than the extremely misleading "I'm a mac" commercials.
@User 13 In what way exactly are Macs "inflexible"? You want Windows? It does Windows. You want Linux? It does Linux. You want Microsoft Office and X11? It's got ya covered. You to join an ActiveDirectory? It does that. You want the developer kit for free? It's in the box...

You getting the idea yet?
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@Jeremy-UK So because there are some choices I should be satisfied? Why would I pay the Apple tax to run windows or linux? What if I want a Blue-Ray playing HTPC with audio over HDMI, an overclocked I-7 processor, 16GB of 1800 DDR3, two Nvidia GTX 460's in SLI, 4 SSD's in Raid and triple display output can I have that? Oh and administering Mac's with Active Directory is like driving a car but only making right hand turns, sure you'll get there eventually but who wants do deal with that hassle.

I own a Mac and I am well aware of Mac limitations, if you choose to pretend those limitations don't exist then that's you're choice.
@User 13

What if I want a Blue-Ray playing HTPC with audio over HDMI, an overclocked I-7 processor, 16GB of 1800 DDR3, two Nvidia GTX 460's in SLI, 4 SSD's in Raid and triple display output can I have that?

And what if I want a computer for my 80 year old mother to still be working fine in 8 years time, without having to reinstall regularly? Can I have that with your hardware?

BTW My mother works for web publishing companies reviewing their content and testing their sites, so does need a decent computer.
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Amusing, really.
Jkirk3279 12th Aug 2010
@User 13

" if you can't handle that get off the god damn internet"

MAAAYBE you should look up the history of the Internet.

Check out the guy who invented the WWW as we know it. And see what box he did that on.

(I'll give you a clue. It wasn't Windows.)

It's kind of like telling a guy driving a Ford he has no right to use the Interstate Highway System because you don't like Ford.

And if NeXtStep isn't a familiar name to you... Steve Jobs started it.

http://www.boutell.com/newfaq/history/fbrowser.html
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Its Not Hard to learn to use a mac. Heck i have been a Windows User For 14 years and i just switched last year. It took me only an hour to learn to use it. another thing compatibility you can run games on Mac OS X all you have to do is either install windows or use Parallels. Microsoft is just pathetic.
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Still no good for gaming
User 13 10th Aug 2010
@TheAppleMan100 I own a mac, use it almost every day, but Mac's are no good for gaming, Parrallels will murder CPU performance and since the entire OS is being virtualized 3d performance will not be properly offloaded onto the graphics card. Even dual-booting comes with caveats, Mac's are a generation behind in CPU's and suffer from a dearth of GPU selection, not to mention the lack of proper cooling in those pretty little cases. Sure you might play Peggle, or anything else from the Pop-Cap collection, (Plants VS Zombies is awesome) but for serious games you must choose a windows PC.
@User 13 Well, given Apple's latest releases - is that still true? The ATI Radeon HT 5870 seems pretty hard-core to me.
@User 13

Parrallels will murder CPU performance and since the entire OS is being virtualized 3d performance will not be properly offloaded onto the graphics card

Not exactly - the OS is the real OS running on the real CPU natively, it is competing with whatever other OS you choose to run at the same time, just as it would on a PC.

Graphics drivers cannot access the hardware directly under Parallels because a GPU cannot be driven by two drivers at the same time - this would not make sense - so Parallels uses a driver that passes the calls to the GPU through the OS X driver. GPU code (such as OpenGL) once it arrives at a GPU will be executing on the GPU - and this is not and cannot be in any way virtualized.

The only limitation is that the Parallels driver does not at this stage support CUDA - but this is not really a gaming issue.

If you want full and direct access to all hardware then booting into Windows would be the way to do this.

not to mention the lack of proper cooling in those pretty little cases.

No - it is not wise to mention anything you have no real idea of.

After some nasty experiences with supposedly high temperature capable PC cases from friend's PCs the first thing I did with my new iMac was to test the thermal performance under load.

The pretty little iMac case is performing really nicely - it handles load on both the CPU and GPU very well. My iMac is running at 95% cpu load constantly and is fine. I have for the last few days been running the GPU under constant load also and it is still performing admirably.

What makes you think that a case being 'pretty' rules out the possibility that it is well designed? Do you also assume women are stupid if you find them attractive?

And certainly dual booting will give Windows full access to the hardware - so your arguments are just half-informed rubbish.
@User 13 - you said it, "Macs are behind a generation in CPUs".

Now look around various Linux forums, such as Ubuntu. Their users respond to newbies trying to put Ubuntu onto the latest hardware always seem to say "Linux doesn't work well on the latest-generation hardware, because it drivers been developed yet or are immature, and Linux in general works best on previous-generation hardware" or something along those lines. Maybe that explains why Macs are behing the times...

Then again, with the 5870 coming out they are playi8ng catch-up. Still, that card was out a year ago and Mac owners have been more than patient in wating...
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Or use Steam for Mac
dave95. 10th Aug 2010
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@dave95. A dozen good games and a thousand crap ones available from Steam is a good start but that's still a drop of water to the ocean of games available on Windows, hopefully in the future more games will be fully Mac compatible, OpenGL has a lot going for it, in some ways it is superior to DirectX and I look forward to seeing what Valve does with it and if other dev's jump in or not but for now only a windows machine can meet my requirements for gaming

@Jeremy-UK The 5870 is a very good card, it's also one of only two choices offered, a windows box can use any graphics card from any vendor so yes my original statement still stands IMHO. I'm not even going to get into the performance per dollar argument.
@User 13

Very true, nothing to boast about regarding games, but it's getting better. Personally i've never been a big gammer so doesn't bug me.
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@dave95. Games on my laptop? Not! Much better to use my Wii or PS3 for games. Consoles are for games. Computers are not. Um, unless you use that toy OS Windows.
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Newbie.
Cayble 10th Aug 2010
@TheAppleMan100
Windows may be pathetic, thats up to your definition of pathetic I guess. But it matters not a whit what your definition of pathetic is; if Windows is pathetic, it leaves OSX a disgrace. I suggest both OS's deserve much higher ratings then the lowly pathetic and the barrel scrapping "disgrace".

Windows allowed me to custom build a PC that blows the "WHITE" off any Mac that comes within hundreds of dollars of being as inexpensive as my tower. And the beauty of it is there is still some pretty decent ability to upgrade. If I put $500 into it (could easily go much more or less, so many choices available)I could easily breath another two to three years of powerful life into the tower.

So ya, choosing is choosing. Its just that there is a whole lot less choice involved when you choose to let someone else make all the decisions.
@Cayble

Yep - I am so oppressed - I have less choices than many. I wish I had more time to spend choosing which Webcam to buy rather than using the built in one. My days would be so much more complete.
@TheAppleMan100

Congratulations for being able to pick up the OSX user interface as quickly as you did. However, it would be ignorant to say that adapting to a completely new UI would be just as easy for the general public.

Also, you completly prove Microsoft's point. To play most games and use most software, you have to use Windows!

So why is Microsoft so pathetic?
@RyGuy12

To eat most trash you need to visit a garbage dump - luckily I do not want to eat most trash.

The big argument for Windows always has been Excel and Word - and that has always been the most pathetic lie.

Excel and Word existed on the Mac way before Windows itself existed.

The Windows versions are ports of Mac software.

As for most of the rest - what exactly do I need to run that is not available for the Mac?

I have had Macs and PCs for years BTW. I kept a PC in the Office as we were developing web based delivery systems and always used a PC for testing the performance on PCs as we had to support all users.

I have one program on the PC that I like and sometimes use - and it was purchased in a supermarket for $20. It is not that I could not use something on the Mac to do the same job - just that I happen to have that PC software.

So every 3 years I might run that program on the PC - otherwise nothing - not a single reason I would use a PC, except to test under Windows software for compatibility, or to be able to help Windows users - and boy do they need help.

I made the mistake of trying Oracle server under Windows recently - won't be doing that again.

Since I now have an Intel iMac and Parallels - the PC is now sitting in a pile of stuff to be thrown out.

However, it would be ignorant to say that adapting to a completely new UI would be just as easy for the general public.

Most Windows users have not adapted to Windows - I know this because I answer their questions about how to use their computers.

Most Mac users are the people who help out Windows users when they need to know something about Windows.

Windows makes no sense and the users do not learn with meaning, the users learn sequences of magic fixes. And for the magic fixes they might use often there are Wizards to perform the magic. This does not lead to a user base that knows why they do what they do.

Macs are more straightforward and the meaning is closer to the reason behind the action.

So yes it can be hard for a Windows user to switch to a Mac because they have usually not understood Windows.

A Mac user will usually be able to work on a windows PC - but they will be hating it because they can see it's stupidity.

This is based on a lot of experience of both Windows and Mac users and not just some theory.

But why, oh why would I or anyone else want to run 'most' software - surely I want to run the software that helps me best do what I am trying to do!!!
@richardw66 - what are the temps on your iMac handling that load so constantly? The early-2009 iMac I used had its northbridge getting up to 64C. Being a PC guy for almost 20 years at that point, I asked on Apple forums because the iMac was hot to the touch and a well-designed desktop should not get that hot. They said the temp was NORMAL. (for long-term longevity, keeping chips cool with proper heatsinks, fans, and other equipment is a necessity. 64C on medium-high load is NOT acceptable. Especially given the cost of the unit. The Mac Pro I bought to replace it runs substantially cooler, even under full load.)
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So...let me get this straight!!!!
rs_jr Updated - 10th Aug 2010
After years of "I'm a Mac..." commercials, Microsoft is choosing to fight back with advertising, now that they have product that can compete, and you write this "Yeah, but...they don't have all of the facts straight" article?

Unless you were crying faul when the Mac commercials were running, I wouldn't cry to loud, so as to sound like a hypocrite. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

In the Mac ads, there was some truth and some fiction (or at least facts based on older Windows experiences)... It's called advertising!

I see by your BIO that you've covered Mac's for 20 years, so you should know how things work in this industry. Oh and BTW, 24.7% growth to 9.8% is NOT AMAZING! Double-digit growth on a small number is much easier than double-digit growth on a large number. You should take that out, so your post doesn't sound like complete Fanboi-ism... Well, for that matter, you should delete the whole thing, because it's basicall an Apple Appologist post.

I'm a Windows guy myself, but I wasn't crying all over myself when the Mac ads were running, even though I knew much of what was being "postioned" as why Macs where better, was either subjective or BS, mixed in with some truth. Again, it's called ADVERTISING!
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Wow.. get butt-hurt often rs_jr???
i8thecat Updated - 10th Aug 2010
@rs_jr

Perhaps it's because Macs truely are a thousand times better than PCs... And all the game makers are popping out games for both OSX and Winblows... So keep yer p@nties on rs_jr... The truth of the matter is the I'm a mac ads were spot on... And I can tear this PCs campaign apart with my eyes closed.

But that doesn't change the fact that Microsoft has totally missed the bus on this issue... Kids hate microsoft and they always will... Kids don't want PCs, they want Macs... And really... A child with a learning tool they want to use is actually going to use it...

And how bout those windows 7 ads??? You know, the dorm kid who can't get laid, but his Mac roommate is always getting laid and has him locked out watching TV in the hall, all alone, because he doesn't have any friends... ROTFLMAO!!! Someone at Microsoft wasn't thinking... LOL!!!
@i8thecat
Kids want Macs. When they grow up they want windows wink
@i8thecat Now that's a funny reply! I am assuming that you were joking, so I will take it as such. "Winblows"..."popping out games for OSX". I hadn't heard the Winblow/Winsux/etc. name-calling in a while. Thanks for reminding me.

I know that a few games have shown up for OSX, especially via STEAM, which I think is great! Mac people deserve games too... you pay that much for a PC and you should be able to play games on it, regardless of what OS you are running. Hopefully Linux users will get the full load of games that Windows users, and now Mac users are offered.

The rest of the post was helarious... You were able to sound just like a blinded Mac fanboi... I know that no person in their right mind is that blinded to reality and realise that Windows is still dominant in the PC arena and based off of the adoption of Win 7, will be for years to come. That's not to say that Macs aren't a good alternative...it's just not one that the VAST MAJORITY of consumers are choosing. Macs: Great hardware, descent software, rabbit fans... As a shareholder, I love the "rabbit fans"...all of that blind loyalty makes for good $$$.
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I believe it wasn't a cat you had ingested
Mister Spock 10th Aug 2010
but more likely a hallucinogen of some form, as that may have been the most inaccurate and delusional responses that I have seen on this site in quite some time.

You do seem to be quite bothered yourself when someone does not share your views of Microsoft or a personal computer.

I believe the correct human tern to describe your behaviour would be "pathetic".
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You're pathetic.
trickytom2 10th Aug 2010
@i8thecat

Why don't you leave and let the grownups chat?
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@i8thecat
...you could cover every farm in the Midwestern US a foot deep and STILL have leftovers you could ship to Canada and Mexico.

Case in point: The most fun you can have with a PC is playing with spreadsheets. While with the Mac, the most fun you can have is making slide shows of pictures you've taken. (early Mac vs PC ad)

Gee.. I suppose that means that the $4+ BILLION dollar per year PC gaming industry doesn't exist...?

Oh.. And for what it's worth - you can make slide shows of your pics with Windows as well.

The whole campaign was nothing more than recycled FUD - stuff that hasn't been even remotely factual in YEARS.

As far as the college kid goes - It's a sad fact of life that not everyone can be a jock and tutor bimbos in biology.

At least the kid's smart enough to make use of the resources that come built into his laptop.

Btw.. Does OSX come with ANY sort of DVR feature built in? Didn't think so. Windows 7 does. Works pretty darn good too.
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You tools are such pathetic losers... ROTFLMAO!!!!

You know what Wolfie2K3.. I'm rebuilding one of dem der winderz 7 PCs, EmmmmHmmmm... Yup.. One of dem der ones you said werks perrty darn good... EmmmmHmmmm... But it's not all that good... EmmmmHmmmm.

Tell me something.. What is it you like most about windows 7??? Is it the Mac look and feel, or all the Mac features that MS borrowed??? Wait, let me guess, You are a PC and all those Mac rip offs were your idea... LOL

I've gamed on both Macs and PCs.. I've also made slide shows and movies on both. The Mac side of everything (other than gaming) blows the PC away. The stability of the Mac also blows the PC away... But now days, game consoles rule, aside from a few online games like WOW, but all the game makers are releasing all their games for both platforms... Computer gaming isn't all that it once was (other than Blizzard games, and a couple others are the only games worth playing on a PC/Mac.. And since they all play on the Mac, what good is a PC???)...

Oh wait.. your beloved DVR... that's right... Dude, I have been ripping video from my Tivo (with my Mac) since way before Vista... I had an ATI all in wonder back in the Windows 98 days... Yes, I've got some experience with TV on the PC and on the Mac... And don't go off on the BluGay rainbow rant... You WinTards are so braindead...

Some people are not afraid of change or learning (or whatever it is that scares you so much about Mac/UNIX/Linux)... One of these days, you learn how to use a real OS like UNIX or Linux... Or maybe not... You might get hit by a bus tomorrow.

I have more PC/Mac/Cisco/Computer related certs than you have age or IQ... I run a server room full of everything you can imagine, legacy and modern... When it comes to IT, I do it all, I fix it all, I keep it all running. Unlike most of you morons, I actually have the experience to validate the opinion. Windows 7 is vista made stable.... Ooooohhhhh... I'm soooooo impressed... NOT!!! You want impressive, try a Xserve. You want to stop wasting time and eliminate frustration, try a Mac... Oh Wait... You WinTards don't know anything about Mac... To start, it's UNIX... It's intuitive, there is nothing you can't do to it or with it (provided you are not afraid of a little CLI). Enough said...

(Here is the part where you all get to lie and pretend you have Mac experience)... HAHAHA!!!
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RE: How pathetic is Microsoft's 'Macs might spoil your fun' campaign?
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