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iPhone vs. Evo: on usability, dropped calls and carrier choice

By | June 8, 2010, 8:18am PDT

Summary: A reader gives us his take on the Evo v. iPhone debate and how the Android loses on crashes and usability but wins in the dopped calls department — because it doesn’t have any.

A guest blog from an Apple Core reader that asked to remain anonymous, responding to my first look at the Evo 4G, published on Thursday June 3, 2010.

I bought an EVO the other day but kept my 3GS to run my own comparisons.  You’ve missed the biggest advantage of the EVO over the iPhone 3GS — no dropped calls. I can’t go an hour on the iPhone without a dropped call. Haven’t had a single once since using the EVO. That is a fantastic advantage.

However, this is where you and I part ways.  In most other ways I prefer using the iPhone.  Everything is better integrated and it’s simply more comfortable carrying and operating the iPhone.  Sticking the EVO next to my head reminds me of the early days of the cell phone when there were big bricks.  This sucker is large — too large.  Then again, I don’t consider my phone a wonderful option for watching video for long periods of time.  If I need to watch something on the go, the 3GS is good enough.

Also, I’m not so into Google as the center of my scheduling and contact needs.  The MobileMe feature on the iPhone is a better option in my opinion because, once again, iTunes integrates everything with my Mac in one fell swoop.  It’s a thing of beauty.  With Evo, my Contacts, Calendar, Music, Photos, and Videos don’t all sync in such a simple and straightforward fashion.

Let’s put it this way: I’m far more of a techie than my wife and mom. I’m willing to put up with a few extra buttons and settings. But these ladies have NO tolerance for anything even remotely non-intuitive.

You may think “the war is over” but folks like my wife and mom (who are massive fans of all things simplistic) won’t be switching anytime soon.  And they’d just as soon stick with their flip phones than jump on board Android and Windows.  They love The Steve’s view on software and hardware: Brain dead simplicity.

And I haven’t touched on the Apps themselves.  While I get dropped calls on AT&T and my iPhone, I never have crashes.

In only a few days, my EVO has asked me to “force quit” numerous times.  I wasn’t doing anything out of the ordinary and these were with apps that came with the hardware.  This was a far cry from what I’m used to expect from anything coming out of Cupertino.

So, if “no dropped calls” is the main focus, EVO wins.  But for the non-techie PDA consumer, I don’t think the EVO is going to soar as high as you do.

Here’s what I wrote back:

That’s a fair and accurate assessment.

I showed my Evo to my techie wife and she hated it. I wrote that off to learning curve (everything is difficult the first time).

Then I had to loan my HTC Incredible to my cousin when the battery died on his iPhone. Two hours later he was (sort of) trained. So I hear you.

At the end of the day competition makes both platforms better and the consumer wins.

I just wish that Apple would stop dissing Google and that they’d kiss and make up so that the iPhone would get Google Maps (for real) and some of the other Google goodness. Then it would be the best of both worlds.

For the record, I haven’t had any “force quits” (that I’m aware of) on my Evo 4G to date, although Qik has been a little wonky in my video call testing.

He later emailed again to say:

A day (and an iPhone 4 announcement) later, my decision to return the EVO haunts me. Dropped calls galore on my 3GS.  Still not a one on my EVO. I need to decide:  Am I a professional Realtor who needs a reliable telephone first…or a boy who would love to have a gyroscope for awesome gaming and a super thin and durable thing of absolute beauty that runs my mobile office effortlessly.

Damn Apple for sticking with AT&T. I truly hate them for this. It’s like if Microsoft only let people play the Xbox on TVs connected to the worst local cable provider.

Oh yeah, and I still really don’t like carrying the EVO around in my pocket.  Way too big for my comfort level. By contrast, hardly am aware of 3GS.  Love that about it.

Good analogy about the carrier issue too. With Apple, you’re stuck with AT&T. If you want another carrier you’re going to be using Android or something else. Did Apple renew AT&T’s exclusive contract for the iPhone? If so, I’m guessing it’s because AT&T is the only carrier that would agree to pay Apple’s commission. What else could it be?

I can see how a single domestic carrier could be good for Apple’s bottom line, but I can’t see how locking customers into one abysmal carrier is good for customers.

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Jason D. O'Grady

Jason D. O'Grady developed an affinity for Apple computers after using the original Lisa, and this affinity turned into a bona-fide obsession when he got the original 128 KB Macintosh in 1984.

He started writing one of the first Web sites about Apple (O'Grady's PowerPage) in 1995 and is considered to be one of the fathers of blogging. He has been a frequent speaker at the Macworld Expo conference and a member of the conference faculty. He also co-founded the first dedicated PowerBook User Group (PPUG) in the United States.

After winning a major legal battle with Apple in 2006, he set the precedent that independent journalists are entitled to the same protections under the First Amendment as members of the mainstream media.

O'Grady is the author of The Nexus One Pocket Guide, The Droid Pocket Guide, The Google Phone Pocket Guide, and The Garmin nuvi Pocket Guide (Peachpit Press), the author of Corporations That Changed the World: Apple Inc. (Greenwood Press), and a contributor to The Mac Bible (Peachpit Press). In addition, he has contributed to numerous Mac publications over the years, including MacWEEK, Macworld, and MacPower (Japan).

When he's not writing about Apple for ZDNet at The Apple Core, he enjoys spending time with his family in New Jersey.

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banned from zdnet Updated - 8th Jun 2010
well jason outside of your home of the brave there is a world and on these carriers the iphone doesn't drop any calls. second apple didn't diss goggle, it is quiet a bit the other way around (remember I/O?). and no jason, everything is not difficult the first time. the ipod isn't, the ipad isn't and the iphone neither (hint: that's why they are so successful).

i know, i know the fundamental approach of usability that apple is executing with all their products is quiet hard for geeks to wrap their heads around. they love empty bullet points on a feature list much better. look. it has a 4.3" screen! (yes, it's a brick and defies the whole concept of portability of a phone, but it has a bigger screen!). and jason, the little wonky on your video call testing is a full blown disaster. have a look here:
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/mobile-gadgeteer/hands-on-video-chat-on-sprint-htc-evo-4g-using-qik-and-fring/3363?tag=content;search-results-rivers

best quote: "After many failed attempts, which included random crashes, hanging, audio and no video, and just about every other combination you can think of, we managed to squeak out some test calls."

and by the way, how is the battery life on your iphone killer?
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It's all relative
NonZealot Updated - 8th Jun 2010
@banned from zdnet
look. it has a 4.3" screen! (yes, it's a brick and defies the whole concept of portability of a phone, but it has a bigger screen!).

Let me rephrase that as an HTC Touch Diamond user talking to an iPhone user:
look. it has a 3.5" screen! (yes, it's a brick and defies the whole concept of portability of a phone, but it has a bigger screen!).

YOU have a brick. happy

Cue the double standards...
@NonZealot: so your analogy is LAME
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@denisrs
NonZealot 8th Jun 2010
These are the comparisons that have been going on for nearly 2 years now (since the Diamond came out). iPhone 4 isn't out yet so it isn't relevant. Besides, while it might be a tiny sliver thinner, it still takes up far more room in the pocket. Try fitting an 8.5X11 piece of paper in your pocket without folding it. You can't do it even though the paper is thin, thin, thin!

I'm LAUGHING at the stupidity of an iPhone owner calling anything else a brick considering that the iPhone isn't a small phone either. Like I said, it's all relative and you would have realized that if your vision weren't so impaired from Apple's RDF.

iPhone is a brick. Deal with it. happy
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@NonZealot Do we really have to go into the whole portability thing again? The iPhone is bigger by 1/8" on width and height than your Diamond, about the same thickness, and maybe 1/2 ounce heavier... hardly a brick and hardly "barely portable" unless one has the relative strength of a newborn.

Sounds like the Double Standards are already cued...
@athynz: actually Touch Diamond is visibly thicker than iPhone 4 (2 mms)
@NonZealot

This seems to be the iphone's biggest sohbet complaint and Apple does appear to be ignoring it. I guess people are complaining and buying the iphone anyway- and complaining some more. OTOH, Multiple carrier options might cut subsidies for the phone to the point where it might cost hundreds more.

Also, I wonder how bad the dropped call issue really is with chat . I have had one for over a year and had maybe 2 dropped calls. And don't know if the problem was with my phone or the other person's phone as it doesn't say "dropped call" or anything like that on the screen- it just portal disconnected like if I hit the end call button by accident.

Now I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but if it was really as bad as the haters say it is than I would have expect more than 2 drops in 15 months. Maybe forum is dependant on the area? I am in North Jersey near NYC.
@NonZealot

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@banned from zdnet
I really wish posts in these talkbacks were less insecure posturing and more substantive analysis. I guess it really boils down to the fact that most people who don't feel some defensive need to justify their own existance tend to lurk rather than attention-***** post "LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME! SEE HOW SMART MY CHOICES ARE! YOU MUST AGREE!"

Is it so hard to see that no one device is right for all? That the best devices find a balance for a segment of the market and cover that segment's needs first-and-foremost, and try to branch out to other segments as possible without denaturing the very attributes that caused them success with their initial segment(s)?

I am super glad that there is an iPhone, and for my wife and a few of her friends it is absolutely the best device. It is hard to argue with Apple's feel for intuitive UI, and for locking down configuration and setup decisions that 95% of their userbase has no need or desire to touch. That it is not the right device for me does not prevent me from seeing that it IS right for others.

For some of my friends in the IT world, Android is clearly the better OS and there are a plethora of different device configurations from which they can choose. For the technophile and engineering-type, it is hard to argue with the possibilities in the Android phones and the control you can exert over the configuration of them. Unless, of course, you happen to be on AT&T, where the best hardware is not paired with Android (at least currently).

I'm also glad that there are other options out there and coming. Windows Phone Series 7 seems to have some glaring problems with their original segment, which hopefully MS can rectify, but I have no doubt that these new phones will find a niche of their own.

RIM will continue to drive the business user, especially if MS does continue forward with it's consumer-pivoted approach. Symbian seems to have a place as well, although I have not really explored the strengths of that platform.

I am actually phone shopping right now. Because my wife, her family, and our friends are on AT&T, and because my wife loves her iPhone, I will need to stay on AT&T. I think that I'm going to pick up a Pre Plus - and I hope that HP does push the Palm and WebOS brands forward in the smartphone arena because it is probably the best alternative UI to iOS, and because it has great potential to be a strong player.

The bottom line is that more competition means better products. If you have only one brand, there is no innovation. If you have only two brands, the innovation tends to be tunnel-vision between them and tangent thinking doesn't occur. Think of the browser wars between netscape and ie; there really wasn't a lot of tangent innovative thinking (just faster rendering or better js compatibility, etc) until some other players (Opera with tabs, for example) came along. When you have 3 or 4 strong players all vying for different segments of the market, then you have real innovation that will get everyone the right device for them.

I guess if you own stock in Apple or Google or MS, or you are paid by them, then you have a good reason to post biased gibberish to attack all other options. But for the rest of us, we're glad we have the choice.
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@RedRoman
i don't attack other options, i attack the biased drivel by jason here. yes, i agree android is for geeks and IT types. and i wouldn't take the pre plus (there are rumors that hp will discontinue all palm phones). rather take a nice htc (other than that battery sucking brick evo though).
@banned

you attack it with even more sycophantic apple apologist nonsense.

It's funny, but I'm on at&t and I haven't lost a call once, perhaps it's the fact that I don't have an iPhone.. hmm..
@RedRoman I'm also glad that there are other options out there and coming. Windows Phone Series 7 seems to have some glaring problems with their original segment, which hopefully MS can rectify, but I have no doubt that these new phones will find a niche of their own.

RIM will continue to drive the business user, especially if MS does continue forward with it's consumer-pivoted approach. Symbian seems to have a place as well, although I have not really explored the strengths of that platform.

I am actually phone shopping right now. Because my wife, her family, and our friends are on AT&T, and because my wife loves her iPhone, I will need to stay on AT&T. I think that I'm going to pick u altin cilek p a Pre Plus - and I hope that HP does push the Palm and WebOS bra orjin kremnds forward in the smartphone arena because it is probably the best alternative UI to iOS, and because it has great potential to be a strong player.
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A couple thoughts on Verizon: first of all, if you switch to Verizon, you're stuck with Verizon. Your phone is also completely useless if you decide you don't want to stick with Verizon. You can't unlock a CDMA phone like you do GSM. So if Apple had released an iPhone for Verizon and you wanted to switch to Sprint, you can't. You're stuck on Verizon for ever with that phone even if Apple didn't have a contract; you'd have to buy a brand new iPhone just for Sprint. If you were dissatisfied with Sprint and wanted to use MetroPCS, you can't. You have to buy a brand new iPhone just for MetroPCS. AT&T is horrible, but you can at least unlock a GSM phone and use it on any other GSM carrier.

Secondly, I doubt very much Verizon's infrastructure would hold up any better than AT&T's if they had all the iPhones on it. The iPhone alone makes up for 55% of all web traffic from all smart phones. Think about that for a minute.

Third, good luck using a CDMA phone outside of the U.S. Yes, there's limited support, but realistically, the rest of the world uses GSM. GSM is also convenient because you can buy SIMs like you do calling cards, so you can avoid roaming charges. Verizon's "world phone" is simply both a GSM phone and CDMA phone in one package. You use the GSM part when visiting the rest of the planet.

Apple really needs to stop being tied to AT&T, but the CDMA carriers need to be pressured into allowing phones to change carriers.
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banned from zdnet Updated - 8th Jun 2010
@olePigeon
in this crazy apple hating att sucks, verizon is great meme on the IT doofus sites like zdnet. you can't even receive data while having a phone call on verizon. wow, that's a network!
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brianpeterson@... 9th Jun 2010
@olePigeon "You can't unlock a CDMA phone like you do GSM."

Actually, you can do better and flash the OS in the ROM. Getting it on another carrier can be a problem as MEID have to accepted by the carrier or illegally faked.

Of course, with only one current 4G provider, what's the point when they are also the least expensive data provider? Tiered pricing on mobile data is for dummy lemmings, which of the latter there is an abundance as the iPhone confirms.
@banned from zdnet "and by the way, how is the battery life on your iphone killer?"

It's actually field replaceable! A concept that has been in all phones I have used since 1989! I wonder when SJ will announce this as a feature? He will have to if Apple ever does a 4G phone, which will be a year away minimum on AT&T. The battery on the EVO, especially on 3G, will easily go all day. If you do turn all the radios on (4G, WiFi, BT, GPS), and use the EVO continuously, you will (and you can!) replace the battery every 3 to 4 hours. RAther trivial compared the the whyPhoney's non solutions. Piggybacks went out in 1995, and that was for data on the old Motorolas.
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This seems to be the iphone's biggest complaint and Apple does appear to be ignoring it. I guess people are complaining and buying the iphone anyway- and complaining some more. OTOH, Multiple carrier options might cut subsidies for the phone to the point where it might cost hundreds more.

Also, I wonder how bad the dropped call issue really is with the iphone. I have had one for over a year and had maybe 2 dropped calls. And don't know if the problem was with my phone or the other person's phone as it doesn't say "dropped call" or anything like that on the screen- it just disconnected like if I hit the end call button by accident.

Now I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but if it was really as bad as the haters say it is than I would have expect more than 2 drops in 15 months. Maybe it is dependant on the area? I am in North Jersey near NYC.
@Tigertank
Well since US mobile smart phones are locked to a specific carrier based on Radio CDMA vs GSM and Data frequencies, based on this you can not have a smart phone and go between US Carriers.
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Apple admits it is a HUGE problem
NonZealot 8th Jun 2010
@Tigertank
Apple has admitted that iPhone drops 30 percent of its calls. I'd say that is a fairly serious problem.

I have had one for over a year and had maybe 2 dropped calls.

I've used Windows for 15 years and haven't gotten hit with any malware. Therefore, I don't believe that malware is a problem on Windows.

Cue the double standards...
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@NonZealot LOL! Are you still seriously bringing out this previously debunked issue?

Apple has admitted that iPhone drops 30 percent of its calls. I'd say that is a fairly serious problem.

It was ONE phone in ONE city - get over it. I'm not saying it did not happen but you use this one example as some sort of proof that all iPhones have this issue and you could not be any more incorrect. I for one have had 3 dropped calls in the entire time I have owned my iPhone. 3 total. Unlike my WM device which ran on Sprint where I dropped 3 calls a week or my VZW BB where I drop a call a week.
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Zealous NonZealot
godsfault 8th Jun 2010
@NonZealot Hey, I thought you'd have entered treatment for your anti-Apple OCD by now.

What's wrong baby, did Apple's Dictionary's definition hurt your feelings: ORIGIN early 16th cent.: from a medieval Latin derivative of Latin zelus ?zeal, jealousy.? ?
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EVO Day 5
tt0h Updated - 8th Jun 2010
I purchased my EVO on Friday. Friday night I lost internet connectivity. Within 20 minutes Sprint had me back up and running. Since then I haven't looked back.

The EVO has done, and still does, everything I want it to do. My 63 year old mother, who has problems using her curling iron, wants to switch her plan to Sprint to get one of these because she can actually use and understand it.

Honestly, I can't say anything good, or bad, regarding the iPhone. I've never used one. The reason for this is because I had very bad experiences with ATT and Verizon when I lived in the Washington DC area. My profession requires me to have good connectivity where ever I go. At the time, neither of those carriers could keep a data connection for more than a few minutes in my area. So.. I switched to Sprint, and it solved my connectivity issues. Because of that I wasn't lured back to ATT to try an iPhone.

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Personally, I have never been a fan of Apple since back in the Apple IIgs days. Notice that I said "personally". I think that this is what it all comes down to - what works for your "personally". Everyone has biases.

Most people make choices based on past experiences. My experiences with Apple in the past have jaded my view on them - and thus have impacted my choices on any products that I have purchased that may have an Apple equivalent. And honestly, this will likely continue.

Soo.. without saying anything bad about the iPhone, I WILL say that the EVO has worked flawlessly for everything that I need it for - other than the 20 minutes mentioned earlier. I need connectivity to a multitude of email accounts - EVO does that. I need to be able to check my Exchange calendars - EVO does that. I need access to "unapproved" applications - EVO lets me get that access.

I guess that the EVO makes me feel that I don't have big brother telling me what I can, and can't use. That was always one of my big issues with Apple. The EVO lets me be me - and make my own choices whether good or bad. Apple, I feel, wants you to play the game their way - if I wanted that I'd move to Venezuela.

In the end it's all personal. Whatever works for you. The EVO and Android lets me make my own decisons - that works for me.
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NonZealot 8th Jun 2010
@tt0h
You have to realize that Apple pays for these astro turfers to defend the hive. Glad you like your phone and it is really too bad that the Apple zealots are so threatened by the competition. sad
@tt0h Just out of curiosity, does Evo (I never saw them before let alone played with them) sync, cabled, wireless etc, among all your devices, emails, calendars, laptops etc, so all your notes, data, contacts are always in sync? I guess I mean is there some Mobile Me or integration available for these devices?
iPhone 4 for CDMA sales might start by the end of this year or early next year; that is why AT&T "generously" offers no-penalty contract renewals for iPhone users.

So no doom and gloom please.
Just what I want, an iPhone that's locked to Verizon even if I jailbreak it.

What I want is an unlocked iPhone in the U.S. that I can use on a different GSM carrier, not an iPhone that's permanently tied to a single CDMA carrier.
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wesjones@... 8th Jun 2010
It seems from my standpoint that there is pretty balanced reporting (if you check several sources) about both units. I'm fairly impartial, trying to make a decision based on my needs and what each unit has to offer.
But what is it with the Apple zealots? You'd think Steve was giving out koolaid with each unit they sell... the religious right has nothing on them...
@wesjones@...

It's human nature, honestly. We all want to belong to something bigger and better. One thing Apple is exceptional at is cult of personality. And, from a business standpoint, I can't hold that against them. They've done exceptionally well at picking their products - and battles.

Public perception is a very big thing. Apple has worked extensively at getting the perception they want - the underdog that is going against the grain to provide what, they feel, everyone should have/need.

My problem with it is that it's what "they feel" I need - and not necessarily what I want or need. And there is no easy way to get around their "paternal" restrictions.

Maybe I'm too much of a free spirit, but, I'm not going to spend a lot of time, effort, or money on something that only lets me do things, or live my life, by what some mega-corp (and yes, Apple ranks up there now - just like the huge drug/healthcare companies) tells me I can or can't do.
@wesjones@...
There are zealots on both sides. Neither one has a monopoly on zealotry.
iPhone - first of all a phone and it fails at that. To be honest if Apple hadn't locked in with AT&T I would have an iPhone and probably by now be hooked to its interface and MobileMe and you wouldn't have been able to pry me away from it. But my phone must ring and calls go through so I stayed with Verizon and Blackberry Curve and the day the Droid was introduced I drove by in the evening (no lines for me) and picked up the Droid. We were developing apps for the iphone so I loved the ipod touch and for the first few days I felt the iphone was marginally better and then on the weekend I started playing with the Droid and let me put it this way if you can or can find some one to customize your Android it is far better in one word Widgets. Lets see on the iphone home screen the stocks are always the same and the weather is 71 and sunny (maybe in Cupertino but not in the NE). My Androids home screen is a dashboard of information. On a trip to Florida Google search, Navigation, reviews everything tied together perfectly (Sorry iphone no navigation carry a GPS). I am not a Google fanatic nor Microsoft Exchange or Apple Mobile me. The Android still manages to bring these all together giving me a choice. I know people who use Google services and everything comes together nearly as nicely as with Apple.
So to the blogger who thinks iphone does a better job no it doesn't he just has used it for a long time and it does a wonderful job so to change is annoying so why make the effort - maybe because your phone will work as a phone
For the non techie - my wife is the extreme NON techie but when she needs to check her email or the weather or anything else and on the kitchen counter is sitting he iPod Touch and my Droid guess which one she reaches for the Droid, if the Droid is with me she will ask for the Droid rather than use the iPod Touch.
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News to me? or more likely, total BS
WaltFrench@... 8th Jun 2010
?Did Apple renew AT&T?s exclusive contract for the iPhone??

I have seen exactly zero information about their contract other than old reports that AT&T has a 5-year exclusive. So what allows you to presume the contrary in asking if Apple renewed?

You *CAN* be better than just spewing random variations on non-facts, Jason.
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@WaltFrench@...
he can't do better. that's what bloggers like jason do for a living. no information, no editorial, no research, just biased or random assumptions and wild guesses about topics they don't know anything about.
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Apple is a love or hate company. Those who have the iPhone won't be persuaded and those who don't want the iPhone are a mirror. IMO I will never accept bad service to get a good product. The iPhone will NEVER be good enough for me to take on AT&T. NEVER! Oh, and welcome to "holy snikeys, batman!" responses when you get that first bill without the unlimited data plan...
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I've had 3 total in 3 months. And at least one of those I anticipated, as I entered a low-level underpass in an industrial section of town. Certainly it varies geographically, but I really have to question where the heck dude is when talking in order to have a drop per every hour of talk time! Exaggerating?

And again, re. the Google Maps...what is so flippin' big about Google Maps? I like Apple Maps just fine. Would prefer to *not* see Google taking over the world. They amalgamate enough data on me as it is.
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dropped calls
banned from zdnet Updated - 8th Jun 2010
@techboy_z
the att sucks, dropped calls all the time meme is just that, a meme. some overblown self repeating fud that is not based in reality. apple haters think att is the weak spot of apple right now, so they attack here. of course their beloved verizon network can't handle data and voice at the same time and is slow. but who cares how inferior it actually is, because on att some have dropped calls now and then!
Laughing at the my brick is smaller than your brick arguments...they are all bricks. They need to be to do what they are meant to do.

On the dropped iphone calls I can confirm many real life incidences of this. It isn't uncommon.

On the battery life of the Evo, if you turn everything on, then yes the battery life is shorter than if you turn everything off. The big difference is on Evo you have the choice to do it. On iphone you get what they decide you should get.

On video calls: Launch woes. They were unprepared (as always) for the explosive surge of new accounts and traffic surrounding the launch of the Evo. An embarrassment of riches really...

On the camera spin: ...soooo pixel density is important when you are considering Retina displays, but they are to be ignored when evaluating cameras? WEAK
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Toy vs. Not As Much Of a Toy
brianpeterson@... 9th Jun 2010
I went from an HTC Touch Pro to the Evo. Tow productivity things I miss most is a real keyboard and the ability to initiate calls from my BT headset (which is corrected in Froyo). Also, the standard features of WM6.5 allow much finer customization, and Office 2010 (and many other enhancements) are free downloads. Office document reading and editing application for Android is an extra $15.

As to size, yes it is larger, but flatter. Experience in pocket is the same as with the Touch Pro, maybe even better as the Evo is thinner. The ultra thin but protective body glove case and capacitive screen protector are good if expensive investments.

All said though, it may not be as fast, but WM6.5 is much more customizable and I do miss the Windows community where most tweaks were freely available or for a small donation directly to the the developer. Damn Steve Jobs for the App store! That being said, it is obvious Android is the fastest developing phone OS and if the skins like Sense are ever shed because of further UI development in Android, no one, not even the behemoth Apple, will ever catch up. Probably not even MS.
My two cents is that I think the Iphone is a great device and very user friendly but I honestly after using the EVO I prefer the EVO. I'm not a IT guy or anything like that but the phone to me is as user friendly as the Iphone and as responsive too. My favorite feature on the EVO is that the phone can actually keep the same schedule that you keep. For instance if you're at work you can customize you phone for business use. Your home screen will hold icons for your outlook, spreadsheet files and whatever else your daily business needs are. Then lets say you get off at 5:00pm the phone will automatically change the wallpaper and home screen that you have customized for you personnel time music, games whatever. This feature along has wowed me, again this is just my opinion I suggest you try both phones if you can so you can get a truly unbiased view of both.

For me the EVO is way more advance that the Iphone's, the battery is a none issue for me and the size is a no issues for me. The reason the battery is a no issue is because for one I know how to manage the phones multitasking feature,it doesn't take a IT geek to figure how to do that. Second I haven't seen a smartphone besides the BB that has a great battery life. To put icing on the cake I'm not sure if it true or not but I read a statement that said the reason that apple and Steve Jobs didn't want to put multitasking in there phone because he knew people weren't smart enough to manage it and would complain about the battery life ( very insulting for me but none the less this is true). Last the reason why the size of the device isn't an issue is because 1 I'm from Texas and bigger is better down here and 2 unless you have small hands of a women this phone isn't really that dam big or heavy(I think you should lose your man card if you find this phone or any phone to be huge or a brick) . Once again it's just my opinion and like I said the Iphone is a great device but just not for me.
My two cents is that I think the Iphone is a great device and very user friendly but I honestly after using the EVO I prefer the EVO. I'm not a IT guy or anything like that but the phone to me is as user friendly as the Iphone and as responsive too. My favorite feature on the EVO is that the phone can actually keep the same schedule that you keep. For instance if you're at work you can customize you phone for business use. Your home screen will hold icons for your outlook, spreadsheet files and whatever else your daily business needs are. Then lets say you get off at 5:00pm the phone will automatically change the wallpaper and home screen that you have customized for you personnel time music, games whatever. This feature along has wowed me, again this is just my opinion I suggest you try both phones if you can so you can get a truly unbiased view of both.

For me the EVO is way more advance that the Iphone's, the battery is a none issue for me and the size is a no issues for me. The reason the battery is a no issue is because for one I know how to manage the phones multitasking feature, it doesn't take a IT geek to figure how to do that. Second I haven't seen a Smartphone besides the BB that has a great battery life and that what chargers are for. To put icing on the cake I'm not sure if it true or not but I read a statement that said the reason that apple and Steve Jobs didn't want to put multitasking in there phone because he knew people weren't smart enough to manage it and would complain about the battery life ( very insulting for me but none the less this is true). Last the reason why the size of the device isn't an issue is because 1 I'm from Texas and bigger is better down here and 2 unless you have small hands of a women this phone isn't really that dam big or heavy(I think you should lose your man card if you find this phone or any phone to be huge or a brick) . Once again it's just my opinion and like I said the Iphone is a great device but just not for me.
It's all about choice. The argument doesn't have to be this device being better than that device - especially since they're all capable and comparable at this stage.

My wife loves the iPhone. However, we switched to Verizon and now she loves her Droid.

She isn't sure even if/when the iPhone is released on Verizon if she'd bother switching. She's a teacher, non-technical, and there was basically not any more of a learning curve than there was with the iPhone.

They all go through battery life depending on how you use them. That's why there are many third party battery charging kits (that people use here at work) to keep their iPhones charged. Probably similar devices will be released for Android phones for power users.
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ATT Better Than Sprint in NYC
meridian2002 9th Jun 2010
Have had iPhone since the first week in 2007. I live in Manhattan. Had the Sprint Treo for 2 years before that. Treo couldn't make any connection from my apartment or when visiting family in Sarasota. ATT/iPhone was good enough to drop my land line completely. If the iPhone 4 offers better call quality (noise canceling 2nd mic, better antennae) I'm definitely in. iOS has a flat learning curve. Babies and grandmas can use iPads and iPod Touches in one minute flat -- make that 2 minutes for the iPhone. The market of people who have never used a computing device or would like far better user-friendliness far outstrips the techie minority who will love their Evos and Droids. This is why Apple has become so successful in the past decade. JMO.
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Bitchin' about AT&T
Cardinal177 9th Jun 2010
I can empathize with the name-calling directed at AT&T, but please understand that it is coming from a rather limited subset of iPhone users. Out here in "fly-over country" where 90% of us live, we don't have the problems that plague you folks crammed into the rabbit warrens . . . er, great metropolitan areas of New York and San Francisco. Because most tech writers are Bay Area- and Big Apple-centric, the anti-AT&T noise is all out of proportion to the real world. My carrier is AT&T and I can definitely count on one hand my number of dropped calls in the past year. But of course, I live in a backward state that you city folks would never visit in a thousand years. I don't understand why a business person like the realtor doesn't just jailbreak the damn thing and jump in the sack with Verizon if he lives and works in one of AT&T's weak zones. Maybe he'd rather just *****.
@Cardinal177 sorry. but because of different radios, one can't just jump from at&t to Verizon. ATT uses GSM, which, as described earlier, is more universal, and works outside of the US. Verizon uses CDMA, which a few other carriers do. I share your sentiment. I live in the biggest city in my state and we don't have the dropped call problems (at least on my non-iphone)

Actually for once, @banned had something constructive to say, basically YMMV, and that the hue and cry from a few vocal whiners doesn't equate the entire experience.

It'd be like getting your news from Glen Beck! (shiver)
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Stuck on AT&T? (side-note)
ctxppc 9th Jun 2010
Go to Belgium or Italy and buy there your iPhone! I'm from Belgium and I already switched 3 providers. Luckily, the Belgian law doesn't allow Apple to choose an exclusive provider, just "to protect customers from unfair deals" (literally described like this).

P.S.: I know that the rates aren't that interesting, but it's cheaper and easier than buying your iPhone and applying a sim-unlock. Plus, you'll be satisfied when you choose your own provider.
Strange. I have never had a dropped call on either my original iPhone or 3G. Maybe it is because I spend all my time in large cities (San Francisco) and mega-tropolis (Shanghai). I suppose Anytown USA which is all spread out doesn't lend itself to enough transmission towers?
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Why stuck with AT&T
Schoolboy Bob 10th Jun 2010
"What else could it be" -

You are probably partially right - the highest bidder wins. AT&T does have the FASTEST 3G, though, and that would be a technical consideration.
It's time that phone manufacturers cease creating for specific carriers- this creates (in the U.S.) the mess we are in today. All phones should have a plug-in modular cellular module... Pick the module that matches your carrier (and frequencies.)
Carriers should be prevented from creating complex plans with discounted hardware; that is, hardware should be financed using standard consumer contracts and not tied to wireless contracts. If a carrier wants to pay a portion (discount) your hardware purchase, who cares as long as the hardware and service are separate contracts. Leave a carrier, you still have to pay off your hardware but you can change and the only cost would be the new radio module compatible with the new carrier.
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