Is Apple good or evil?

Is Apple good or evil?

Summary: There has been a lot of talk lately about how is Apple becoming more like Microsoft and turning evil, but is it really the case? Personally I've known that Apple was evil since they tried to litigate me out of business and subpoena three years worth of my email, but I digress.

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There has been a lot of talk lately about how is Apple becoming more like Microsoft and turning evil, but is it really the case? Personally I've known that Apple was evil since they tried to litigate me out of business and subpoena three years worth of my email, but I digress.

Recent examples of Apple's evilness include pushing their Safari Web browser down the throat of iTunes users on Windows as a "software update" and bricking modified iPhones with a firmware update but other examples exist.

Leander Kahney points to several examples of Apple's dark side in his cover story in this month's Wired magazine, including: their walled-garden approach to software and hardware, secrecy, paranoia and managements sometimes poor treatment of employees.

On the other hand, lots of good can be found in Apple. Their technical support and build quality usually yields pretty high marks and their hardware continues to improve at an almost breakneck pace. Witness their successes with iMac, iPod, iTunes, iPhone, etc.

Slashdot insists that Someday You'll Hate Apple (And Google Too):

Don Reisinger muses on the fickleness of consumer loves and hates. 'It's that same [level of] success and its own questionable privacy practices that will lead to Google's PR downfall and propel it into a position of disdain going forward. Trust me, the future of Apple and Google may look bright from an economic standpoint, but these companies will be hated one day too. Sad, but true.'"

So which is it? How would you characterize today's Apple, Inc.?

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Topics: Mobility, Apple, Browser, Hardware

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  • Rotten to the Core (nt)

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    ShadeTree
    • When I'm good, I'm only so-so. When I'm bad I'm

      VERY VERY good at it:)

      Pagan jim
      James Quinn
    • Apple is Darth Vader

      I know when you go to Star Wars to describe the state of technology then everyone assumes Microsoft is the Empire because "look at what those scoundrels have done!"

      But the reality is that Apple is the Evil Empire and the only reason we don't recognize it is because this is all the stuff that happened between the two trilogies. Apple is the "fresh face" that is supposed to bring order to the chaos. All you have to do is be loyal and trust that their decisions are the right ones. Then one day when you need to repair a generator for your moisture farm you wake up and realize that fixing it isn't an option and you're supposed to scrap it and buy a new one that costs 30% more than the old one. (And that's before the EmpireCare warranty which everyone keeps telling you is essential)
      Urkel
      • Fresh face?

        Fresh Face? Uh, Apple has been around since the 70s. Apple has
        been struggling against a company with inferior products since
        the 80s. The company with the inferior products came to power
        in the mid 90s. Many Mac user fought against going to the Dark
        Side, some failed. Things have just started to turn around.

        Please don't try to flip the story, we all pretty much hate remakes.
        observer1959
        • It's called an A-N-A-L-O-G-Y

          Chill out.

          On "Inferior Products:"

          Says you. Those inferior products obviously worked for a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT of people! I would sure want to come up with some inferior crap like that.

          Apple struggled for a reason. If it had done things right in the 80s it would have been king. But it didn't, so it wasn't.

          Now, thanks to it finally doing something right with the iPod it has managed to dust off it's name a bit, and is reaping the rewards.

          But the jury is still out on whether it will ultimately keep it's good name and not abuse its newfound success.
          tikigawd
      • Lol

        Quite accurate
        tikigawd
      • On an Apple blog going for the Star Wars analogy?

        GEEK alert!!!!!

        Pagan jim
        James Quinn
  • Who cares?

    The debate of "good vs evil" for companies is getting a bit
    tired. Since we did we start treating companies like
    superheroes? Every company has its good and bad points.
    Can we just leave it at that and quit talking like we're in
    Junior High?
    russguill
  • Define Evil, then we can talk (NT)

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    voska1
    • Too Easy

      The simplest definition, for the purpose of the current
      debate, would be that evil is any behavior that the writer in
      question doesn't like in others, regardless of his own
      matching behavior.

      If you withhold from me something I want, you are by
      definition EVIL. If I withhold from you, that is PRUDENCE.

      For further enlightenment, I checked A. Bierce's Devil's
      Dictionary entry on "Immoral":

      IMMORAL, adj. Inexpedient. Whatever in the long run and
      with regard to the greater number of instances men find to
      be generally inexpedient comes to be considered wrong,
      wicked, immoral. If man's notions of right and wrong have
      any other basis than this of expediency; if they originated,
      or could have originated, in any other way; if actions have
      in themselves a moral character apart from, and nowise
      dependent on, their consequences ? then all philosophy is
      a lie and reason a disorder of the mind.
      Marcos El Malo
  • Everyone wants to be evil don't they?

    Hmmm, and here was me thinking that everyone in tech had a kind of hankering to be an "evil genius" and to have the chance at least once in their lives putting laser beams on some kind of critter, or creating their own creature.

    That being said, this is a win-win poll for Apple, if they are "declared evil" by it, they win, if not they can claim to be the hero that bucks the "evil genius" stereotype.
    zkiwi
    • Breaking Bad

      Walt's wife; Why was that sooo good? (sex in car in public place)
      Walt; Because it's illegal.
      observer1959
  • RE: Is Apple good or evil?

    You guyz just wait and see. The authors of this article wanted a laugh so they wrote this article. Why? Because in a matter of hours this specific talkback is going to be a battle ground. Just wait and see.

    And all the "who cares" folk will jump right in. And belive it or not, you will take the mac side.
    zeshu@...
  • ALL CORPORATIONS ARE EVIL!

    As an entity required to return shareholders investments, they have no choice but to be Evil.
    BitTwiddler
    • But how many have fans...

      The difference is that while all corporations are Evil, Apple is one of the few that actually have unpaid strike-forces encouraging poor struggling consumers into buying things they don't necessarily need.

      The most amazing thing about Apple fans is that they aren't stock holders, yet they celebrate when Apple makes a profit. Even in last months article where 14% of computer sales and 25% of revenue where Apple. People celebrated that 14% sales part yet they completely ignored that if 25% is revenue then we are clearly overpaying a significant amount. Consumers should be disgusted at numbers like that but even if you choose to voice a complaint then you have 20 Mac fans attacking you for daring to accuse Apple of overcharging.
      Urkel
      • living in a vacuum?

        Every aspect of technology, culture and commerce has fanboys as well as their corresponding anti-fanboy fanboys. Even on ZDNET you will find the same thing with Microsoft, Linux, any discussion about Blu-ray vs. HD-DVD, Intel vs. AMD (remember the old Athlon vs. Pentium wars?)
        If you go to a car enthusist website you will find the most zealous zanbois going at it over Honda Civics vs. VW GTIs, Mustang Vs. Camaro etc...

        Pick any topic and you will find attackers and defenders who are not employed by or profit from the institution or product they defend. People are clannish by nature and it always boils down to my side is better than your side.
        Tigertank
      • Lies

        Lies, damn lies. There aren't 20 Macs fans out there.

        Hehe I couldn't resist and I'm a Mac fan.
        observer1959
      • Fanboys are like dogs

        Tie them to a post and have them chase you around it for a few turns aaaaaand *bonk!*
        Then turn around and pet their fuzzy wittle heads and they'll be happy.

        Logic... such a fleeting thing for fanboys...
        tikigawd
      • Who cares if they attack you

        I wouldn't worry about it. Apple fanbuis need to be slapped around occasionally. RDF is a very powerful drug for the weak-minded.
        hasta la Vista, bah-bie
      • It's called a tactic..... Apple does it different.

        We have Dell and GateWhy don't we? They try volume and
        low cost. For a while it worked and worked well. After all
        Dell was the leading seller of PC's. Yet Apple does it
        different. First point no one forces you the consumer to
        purchase a Mac and Apple does not hide it's policies.
        Apple does not sell for cheap. Apple makes a healthy
        margin. It is in the end up to you the consumer to decide
        if you get your moneys worth or not. I for one think I do.
        Your opinion my vary. No big.

        Pagan jim
        James Quinn