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Mac OS X Snow Leopard: What price?

By | January 5, 2009, 5:42pm PST

Summary: Behind the scenes at Macworld Expo, developers have mostly good things to say about OS X 10.6, called “Snow Leopard.” While details may emerge during Tuesday’s keynote presentation, the biggest question mark is the cost of the update. One developer wondered about Snow Leopard’s marketing: “From a marketing point of view, if you call something ‘Leopard’ [...]

Mac OS X Leopard installation as a spiritual practice

Behind the scenes at Macworld Expo, developers have mostly good things to say about OS X 10.6, called “Snow Leopard.” While details may emerge during Tuesday’s keynote presentation, the biggest question mark is the cost of the update.

One developer wondered about Snow Leopard’s marketing: “From a marketing point of view, if you call something ‘Leopard’ and the next version is ‘Snow Leopard,’ then that [latter version] has to be free. Maybe [Apple can charge] a slight bump, but not a $99 upgrade.”

(All of the developers requested their discussion be without attribution.)

Another developer agreed that Snow Leopard would be a “tough sell” as an update. However, the cost question was important to developers’ plans and for customer support.

“Will it be it free,  or a $29 update? That answer will define on our end whether we can use any [new] APIs and how we will continue to support Leopard and Tiger.”

A third developer at the table said that Apple’s framing of the Snow Leopard update may provide a clue.

Since 2001, Mac OS X has delivered more than a thousand innovative new features. With Snow Leopard, the next major version of the world’s most advanced operating system, Mac OS X changes more than its spots, it changes focus. Taking a break from adding new features, Snow Leopard — scheduled to ship in about a year — builds on Leopard’s enormous innovations by delivering a new generation of core software technologies that will streamline Mac OS X, enhance its performance, and set new standards for quality. Snow Leopard dramatically reduces the footprint of Mac OS X, making it even more efficient for users, and giving them back valuable hard drive space for their music and photos.

The developer suggested that under accounting rules, Apple must charge for adding new features into its OS software. However, if there are few new features, then there will be no obligation for this revenue recognition.

Since the “features” found in the Snow Leopard update won’t be directly accessible by end users and will be additions under the hood for third-party developers, Apple may not need to charge for it or charge a lot.

The context for this speculation happened just over a year ago, when iPod Touch users were charged $19.95 for the Mail, Maps, Stocks, Weather, and Notes applications that had been part of the iPhone software update. Since the Touch is a standalone device without a subscription like the iPhone, Apple need to account for the software update differently and charge Touch users for the update.

Some developers have described Snow Leopard to me as just a big batch of bug fixes, and the developers I met with offered examples that could support that hypothesis. For example, one company said that Apple was finally getting around to dealing with some pre-Leopard fixes in Snow Leopard.

However, they were upbeat about this progress, and the reaction of Apple to its developers, especially when compared with the level of communication from Microsoft on Vista bugs. Several developers had Windows products as well as Mac. They said that Microsoft was like a black hole when it came to communication over bug reports.

“Apple wants to get all the stuff sorted out and get us the best OS. This communication [from Apple] is really important to us,” one said.

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RE: Mac OS X Snow Leopard: What price?
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Why Free? It's Divine Code
Gnutella Updated - 5th Jan 2009
Be lucky that we have the privilege of using Snow
Kitty. I hope its at least $129 since that was
Leopard's price and it had over 300 revolutionary
features.
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envy
frgough 5th Jan 2009
is such an ugly emotion. You'll be a happier person if you jettison it.
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Envy? Maybe not
GuidingLight 5th Jan 2009
1000 innovations. Trust us, you won't see or access them, but really, there are thousands of innovations in there... wink
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LOL
Sleeper Service 6th Jan 2009
"Since 2001, Mac OS X has delivered more than a thousand innovative new features."

XFD
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My bet is $129
Ken_z 5th Jan 2009
With a Family Pack also available for $199.

That's where Apple has been for a long time
and it seems to work for them.

Getting the Family Pack at the education
price also works for me.
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$129 is fair
ross2000 6th Jan 2009
I agree.

What you you rather have:

(1) A smattering of cute new utilities which "add features" to the OS
(of questionable everyday usefulness)

(2) An OS performance upgrade across the board, making
everything run faster, with less crashes and bugs, with a solid
foundation to enable rapid quality future development.

I know for a fact I would rather have (2), yet people seem to think
that only (1) is worth any money.

Apple aren't going to want to set precedent that new features =
money and core behind the scenes work = free.

Of course, if they do reduce the price I won't be complaining happy
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Agree but..
aldux 6th Jan 2009
I think you mean "fewer" crashes & bugs which I would like to see for even "less" money.

I know some people think that it's pedantic, but these are the same people who use exacting programming languages every day.

So to recap: "Fewer" for a quantity, and "Less" for an amount. And yes, I know that the opposite of both words is "more" but the language wasn't developed by a programmer you know!
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RE: Mac OS X Snow Leopard: What price?
Harvey the Rabbit 5th Jan 2009
Some people upgrade the CPU, the RAM, or the hard drive
in their computer. That doesn't add any features, but they
happily pay for the up grade. I am willing to pay for a
hardware upgrade, and I'm also willing to pay for an OS
upgrade, even though in both cases, I don't get any
additional features on the surface.

I don't see the sense in expecting Apple to give Snow
Leopard away for free. I don't work for free, and I don't
expect them to, either.
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Free stuff
macspirit 6th Jan 2009
Well, Harvey, I agree with you. But then I'm not part of the new, entitlement generation...the one which thinks that everything they want should be 'free' or provided to them by the government. (Gee, who pays for that?) You're obviously right. People (unless they're doing charity work) don't work for free. The truth is that Snow Leopard is probably worth ten times more than its predecessor. As someone else offered earlier, "What's of more value...cute features you might use every once in a while, or a significantly faster, more stable operating system that enhances the user experience with every single thing you do?" And, the volume of code is going to be reduced at the same time. All of that has less value than the 'oodles' of new features in Leopard? Open CL, Grand Central and an all-new native Finder are HUGE improvements to the OS. If you took your car to a tuner, and they increased your engine's horsepower by 50%, and at the same time reduced your fuel consumption by 25%, do you think they'd do it for free? If you know of such a place, please respond to this message. I want to make an appointment for my M.
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Mac OS X sucks!!
shellcodes_coder 6th Jan 2009
Mac OS X sucks
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Mac OS X sucks
Harvey the Rabbit 6th Jan 2009
That's one feature I'm sure that Apple is not going to add. It
would be embarrassing to use at work, anyway.
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Now THAT was...
aldux 6th Jan 2009
...seriously funny!

And if you did use it at work, someone would doubtless give a blow-by-blow account to management...
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Another Wintard
rag@... 6th Jan 2009
That's a useful comment. And I'm guessing that your precious Windows is a leader in usability and stability (not to mention security)?

Go back to your e-Machine.
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yes, it does...
doh123 6th Jan 2009
it sucks so bad its almost as bad as most Linux Distros, and if not updated soon will get down into the suckage range of MS Windows
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Accounting rules
jshaw4343 6th Jan 2009
It's always funny to see the ubiquitous "accounting rules" used as the justification for setting a price.
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They are a Public Company
crash89 6th Jan 2009
They have to adhere to "ubiquitous "accounting rules"" in
order to keep out of trouble... How many "accounting irregularities" have we read about over the past several
years?
From what I have read, I don't see this as a large jump (like
form Tiger to Leopard), so I don't think it should be a full-
price upgrade, but I DO expect to have to pay for it.
Why does MS not have to charge for "enhanced"
functionality as Apple does? They are also a public
company. While we can debate on the fundamentals of
how much is enhancing vs. fixing, MS has released
multiple software updated that enhanced or provided
additional functionality without being required to
charge for the updates by their accountants (e.g. Zune
FW, Xbox Dashboard, etc.).
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Because they aren't...
olePigeon 6th Jan 2009
Because they aren't charging for a mere update. This is a
new release of OS X. Updates are free.
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Yes they are
geier 7th Jan 2009
Upon reading the synopsis of the "changes" in the next
version most of the bloggers cite feature enhancements
and fixes not a new OS. I can call XP SP2 a new
operating system as well. Anyway, not to belabor this
point, I was making the correlation between Ipod Touch
and the dreaded "accountant" fee. Call it what it is,
an upgrade fee not a mandatory charge. If you want to
just satisfy the accountants make it the much loved
price of $0.99.
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The entire kernel is being moved to 64-bit only and they've
completely revamped the windowing system and application
support for the new OpenCL feature.

This is not a mere update. SP2 didn't radically change the NT
Kernel or introduce a revamped windowing system. You had
to wait until Vista.
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Charge - - - -
medezark@... 13th Jan 2009
Reading the various blurbs on Snow Leopard, it seems to be much the same direction as Windows 7 vs. Windows Vista (That is, a streamlining of existing code base with minor UI changes), and Microsoft is apparently going to charge for Windows 7.
This is as big or bigger than the jump from Tiger to Leopard
just based on two of the new features:

64-bit kernel
OpenCL
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Don't blame it on accounting
jshaw4343 6th Jan 2009
They can charge for it. Just don't blame the charge on accounting rules. GAAP doesn't force them to put a price on it. Otherwise MS wouldn't be able to issue their SPs for free. They want to make money/recover costs. That's their prerogative. Just don't tell us the big bad accountants are forcing them too.
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Free? We are talking Apple here
jscott418 6th Jan 2009
Come on folks, Apple give away a Operating system for free? Look how they made you buy Leopard in order to get Boot Camp. Even though they allowed it on beta with Tiger. Apple knows it can get money for a update and they will. I would not be surprised if it came in at $129.
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The OS comes free with a new a computer. Also, you don't
need Boot Camp to run Windows natively on a Mac. Boot
Camp just automates the process and makes it easier so
anyone can do it. Not everyone is capable (or willing) to
modify their EFI for BIOS emulation, then run Terminal
commands to have Disk Utility do a live partition.

I'd rather just click on Apple's installer than follow a 20-step
tutorial that could lead to me potentially losing all my data.
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Free OS?
Robt. 6th Jan 2009
Actually, Apple gave away the OS for many years. I started with the 512k Mac and never had to pay for an OS until OSX. In fact, I always thought Microsoft was greedy when it came to pricing for Windows. Then, Apple started doing it too. Regardless, the idea that Apple never gave anything away is incorrect. Of course, they didn't exactly give away the hardware, but I didn't have any choice of platform since I was in the graphic arts field.
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No OS is free
use_what_works_4_U Updated - 8th Jan 2009
Just because the OS that comes pre-installed is not a line
item does not make it free. It's built into the price of the
machine. Windows has been built into the price of other
PCs for years, even though it's not always been shown as a
line item. Example from Dell:

XPS M1530 (PRODUCT) RED
Intel? Core? 2 Duo T5800 (2.0GHz/800Mhz FSB/2MB
cache)
Genuine Windows Vista ? Home Premium Edition SP1
Glossy, widescreen 15.4inch LCD (1280x800) & 2.0 MP
Slot Load DVD+/-RW (DVD/CD read/write)

Now you can change the version of Windows and
presumably that would alter the bottom line, but on its
face this product "gives" you a copy of Vista Home
Premium.

The reason that Microsoft seems
expensive in comparison is that MS has no hardware to
build the price into. If you buy directly from MS, you pay.
Since System 6 (1990?) the same has been true for any
version of the Mac OS that did not originally ship with the
hardware. Prior to System 6 any given Mac only ran the OS
that it came with (or some dot release thereof). I know.
We bought System 6 and I've used Macs since '84. I've
pretty much used every OS Apple's ever put out.
Chime in trolls complaining about paying for "point
upgrades," so I'll go ahead and make it clear. Apple goes
by a different release scheme than many others.

10.3, 10.4, 10.5, 10.6
NT4, 2000, XP, Vista, 7

Apple's "point upgrades" follow main version. 10.3.11, or
10.4.6.

To get the pricing FUD out of the way, you can spend $129
every year, or, spend $300 every 2 years. The price comes
out to about the same when upgrading.

Also, OS X comes free with a new computer. You can also
get a 5-User pack of OS X called the "Family Pack" for
$199. So that essentially drops OS X down to $39 if you're
upgrading multiple computers at home.
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Spare me your FAIL crap...
olePigeon 6th Jan 2009
Spare me your FAIL crap. Vista Ultimate has been on the
market for 2 years. As volume ramps up, the price goes
down.

If you're going to buy the OS as they come out instead of
waiting 2 years until the end of the release cycle, it will
cost you $299.

If I recall correctly, Vista Ultimate's initial MSRP was $399.
It dropped to $329 when SP1 came out.

Yes, I'm well aware of System Builders copies of Vista
Ultimate for nearly half the price, but there are severe
limitations on the software, and you're technically violating
the EULA because you are most likely not a vendor.
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People complained that it was a poor business practice.
Now that Apple charges people complain that they don't
like Apples business practices. Irony.

Now for those who don't understand the basics. OSX is
the name brand of Apples OS so its not going to change
for 10 to 11 anytime soon. Apples naming convention is
there for different. 10 stays solid. the point after 10
indicates a NEW OS and the point after that represents
upgrades. Apple does not charge for upgrades such as
10.4.1 to 10.4.11 were NOT charged. However for a new
OS they do charge a reasonable 129 from 10.4 to 10.5 for
instance.

Pagan jim
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when?
Clewin 6th Jan 2009
When did Apple give OS's away free? DOS 1.0-2.0 maybe? I was pushing kindergarten back then. Only point level updates have been free, and even then not always. I don't believe DOS 3.2 to DOS 3.3 was free (my earliest memory of Apple software), and DOS 3.3 to ProDOS was definitely not free. Apple has sometimes even charged for point releases during the MacOS timeframe (7.x to 7.5, for instance), but not for OS X.

X/10 are only staying as long as the kernel doesn't change significantly. If Apple updates the kernel again, they may switch it to something else.

I still think $129 is expensive for an OS, but probably because I could skip the support built into the cost (I don't need support for Linux or MS Windows, either, and never have)
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Dos. ProDos sure that was Apples and OS6 for instance you
could get for free. Wasn't Dos MS? I clearly remember a time
when Apple announced that it was going to charge for it's OS
there was a big community uproar and the action. Prior to
that it was free for anyone.

Pagan jim
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Numbering Scheme
medezark@... 13th Jan 2009
Right, the whole numbering system is just semantics. Apple can charge as much as they want for whatever they want. They could change the typeface of the logo and call it OSX 10.7 and charge full price. And they'd have a lot of purchasers.
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Mac Box Set...
olePigeon 6th Jan 2009
Apple announced at Macworld 2009 the Mac Box Set. It
includes iLife 09, iWork 09, and Leopard for $169.

if Apple does a similar deal with Snow Leopard, you would
essentially be getting the OS for free with the purchase of
iLife and iWork.
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RE: Mac OS X Snow Leopard: What price?
ThomBombadil 6th Jan 2009
If it is free, can we give them money anyway?
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Accounting rules?
rhon@... 6th Jan 2009
It seems to me that Apple is the only software company
falling under the so called "Accounting rules" if Microsoft
brings out an Service pack, there are often numerous new
features, even features that put competitors out of business.
Never ever noticed that they charge for such an update.
Therefore I strongly believe that these so called accounting
rules come out of the toolkit of mister Madoff.
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The Last OS X
Scott Stover 7th Jan 2009
This version (10.6) will probably be the last we see of OS X. I
believe Steve is wanting it to be the most secure version before
he introduces "OS XI" sometime late next year or early 2010.

I could be wrong, but I definitely think we will see a new ground-
breaking version of Mac OS in the year 2010. In the meantime we
will see minor updates (up to 10.6.9)

What should it cost? I'm thinking it should go for $99 for OS X.5
users (after rebate) and $129 for everyone else.
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RE: Mac OS X Snow Leopard: What price?
MAC-Attack 9th Jan 2009
Two examples from the early dawn of the computer age, when operating systems were very expensive, but updates, upgrades, etc. were free.

IBM OS/2 ver. 1.0, EULA stated that all upgrades and future versions were free to the licensee. This held true through version 3.x and with OS/2 Warp 4.0 that changed and most of us stopped using the product.

Control Program for Microprocessors (CP/M) for Ziglog Z/80 Ver. 2.x all updates were free, but shipping and media cost about $5-10 each time. But getting the operating system on 360k 5.25" (DS/DD) floppy instead of 180k 8.0" (SS/SD) was great!

So yeah, updates were almost free, but then again most of the younger crowd would howl at $895-1,200 for single user license.
I have to work in a Win environment, what a full piece of stupid software, winXP on a Dell Optiplex 1.8 mhz is slower than my G4 450 Mhz with half the ram I have at home, the stupid OS is unable to remember the printer you choosed last time, not to mention the last folder you were working, network is down 3 times a day. From somebody used to a superior OS is a very painfull experience.
TD
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UH?
medezark@... 13th Jan 2009
I think you might want to get someone with some Windows expertise to walk you through a few things (like setting the default printer), and possibly scan your work PC for malware/viruses you may have inadvertently installed.

The network being down is not because of XP.
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RE: Mac OS X Snow Leopard: What price?
xdragon58@... 20th Jan 2009
Is Snow Leopard = Windows 7? Or they are stilling Microsoft technique of selling?
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RE: Mac OS X Snow Leopard: What price?
Starman35 30th Jan 2009
I don't care even if it's free, because the SOB's are stiffing us PPC users. Not all of us can afford a new machine every 2 yrs or so, & Apple never reduces prices on older outdated machines like PC makers do. Conequently, my next machine is likelier than ever to be a PC rather than a Mac.
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We are not being stiffed
use_what_works_4_U 3rd Feb 2009
The fact of the matter is that the advances in
Snow Leopard require hardware that PPC's don't
have. Grand Central is built around multiple
processor cores. Unless you are running a last
gen Power Mac G5 (which you would have spent
a LOT of money on after the Intel
announcement was made rather than waiting)
you don't have a multi-core processor. GC
wouldn't help you.
OpenCL requires video cards of a certain
capability threshold. now, I don't know what
that threshold is, but given that GPUs advance
in their base technology so quickly it wouldn't
surprise me if my MacBook (original black
version) won't be able to do much with OpenCL.
reducing the code footprint is all about
taking out redundant code to streamline the OS.
Is you're Mac still doing what you need? Is it
performing at the level it did when you bought
it? Is it doing everything it could when you
bought it?

No one is screwing you. Technology advances
and older technology gets left behind. That's
the fact of computing life. Incidentally, it's
almost been 3 years since the Intels started
hitting the shelves. Would you expect to run
Vista on a PC that was 3 years old when Vista
hit the market? Good luck with that.

Be glad you can do what you need to on the
platform of your choice. The announced
features of Snow Leopard require hardware that
Apple wasn't building when you bought your
Mac. It's not an evil plan to force a hardware
upgrade (though they would take your money -
or mine for that matter). It's a fact of life. Get
over yourself.
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RE: Mac OS X Snow Leopard: What price?
iluvarose 30th Jan 2009
With this Snow Leopard, you have to have an
intel mac for it. What about older macs? Seems
like Apple wants every mac user to be an intel
mac user. Some of us can't afford that luxury
and we are just left out. Apple will probably
charge $129.00 for it. It will be an OS that will
not have anymore features, but only to make
it's features work much more stable than it
already does. It will have a new wallpaper and
name is all and that is about it. It should just
be an upgrade to Leopard OS intel users. Well
maybe us non intel Mac users might get lucky
and buy an intel Mac by the end of 2009 when
it will be released.
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For the love of your pocketbook
use_what_works_4_U 3rd Feb 2009
If you want an Intel to run Snow Leopard then
don't buy "by the end of 2009 when
it will be released".

Buy anywhere from one to eighteen months
after the release. Then you'll get it on
your hardware without an upgrade fee of any kind
- guaranteed.
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