Should Apple be looking at Vista for ideas?

Should Apple be looking at Vista for ideas?

Summary: When Steve Jobs demo'd Mac OS 10.5 (a.k.a. "Leopard") at last year's Apple's Worldwide Developer's Conference (WWDC) on August 7, 2006 he deliberately kept many of its major features "top secret." Jobs justified the secrecy by saying that he didn't want "our friends to have to start their photocopiers any sooner than they have to." Apple even went so far as hanging banners in Moscone West that taunted "Introducing Vista 2.0" and "Hasta la Vista. Vista." Now that Vista has shipped I think that Apple should be the one starting the photocopiers.

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Microsoft GadgetsWhen Steve Jobs demo'd Mac OS 10.5 (a.k.a. "Leopard") at last year's Apple's Worldwide Developer's Conference (WWDC) on August 7, 2006 he deliberately kept many of its major features "top secret." Jobs justified the secrecy by saying that he didn't want "our friends to have to start their photocopiers any sooner than they have to." Apple even went so far as hanging banners in Moscone West that taunted "Introducing Vista 2.0" and "Hasta la Vista. Vista."

Now that Vista has shipped I think that Apple should be the one starting the photocopiers.

I spent a little time recently checking out Microsoft's Vista operating system and it's impressive. A Windows friend of mine called it "the Mac times 2."

While I wouldn't quite go that far, it's definitely impressive and features a ton of eye candy that will quickly win over XP users tired of the same old Microsoft UI. It should be noted that my friend divulged that it took the better part of the weekend to install Vista. The update itself took 3.5 hours, but then he had to buy, return and buy another video card, fight with the video drivers and buy another gigabyte of RAM.

Like it or not, Vista's Aero theme and Aero Glass are impressive, the accordion view is cool, Microsoft's Gadgets are a huge step above Apple's dashboard and Vista features a killer launcher implementation that's like the best parts of Quicksilver and Spotlight put together. Now that Vista is shipping I hope that Apple is taking a long hard look at it.

Mac OS 10.5's Time Machine, Spaces and VoiceOver look amazing and the much-needed improvements to Mail, iCal, iChat, Dashboard and Spotlight should breathe new life into the OS, but is it enough? Where are all the "top secret" Leopard features that Apple promised in Leopard? I hope that they're good or Apple risks losing their position in the great OS race.

QuickTime demos of the key Leopard features (announced to date) are on Apple’s Sneak Peek page.

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  • Vista working in one weekend?

    I suppose if Microsoft ran the airlines people would be happy even though "it took the better part of the weekend" to board the plane because the flight attendants kept yelling at them and telling them that they had to go buy a different color of luggage. After watching the Mac v. PC debate for the last 20 years, I think it comes down to the fact that the PC makes people feel smart and like they've accomplished something when they have done the most basic of tasks, e.g.:

    "Hey, I got Vista installed in only one weekend. I see you've been working on it for three weeks and still get 'This driver is blocked due to compatibility issues' errors, you can't print from campus and you can't get VPN to work. Don't feel bad. That Mac guy over there is an idiot. He couldn't get Vista installed in a year. All he knows how to do is insert a disk and click a button."
    pjpark
    • If it makes you feel better....

      I went from blank HD to surfing the internet in under 40 minutes.
      JoeMama_z
  • Having seen both

    Vista appears very Apple OSX like but not quite as nice. But from an W2K to Vista the difference is amazing in terms of eye candy. I don't really see what features that makes Vista better than W2K are though. The only real push for me is Application and hardware support discontinued on W2K.

    Also Vista seems a bit clunky unless you have the lastest and greatest hardware available. Of course this is running on a corporate desktop with a ton of corporate apps. May need some fine tuning.
    voska
  • What, no 'Tilt Bits' in Mac OS X?

    I guess the joy of being polled 30 times a second, to see if you've started thieving Premium Content yet, is reserved entirely for Vista users. A Vista PC has to have the computing power of a server to run Vista's DRM, and the sad thing is, while each and every Vista user will pay for this overhead in $$$ and lost CPU cycles, Vista's DRM has already been cracked.

    Nowhere is there a more fitting testament to the sheer unfitness-for-purpose of Vista as a home PC OS, than the site Microsoft put online to FUD, spin and basically weasel their way out of the piercing analysis carried out on Vista DRM by Peter Gutmann. The responses to Microsoft's PR effort say everything that needs to be said about Vista. Enjoy.

    http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2007/01/20/windows-vista-content-protection-twenty-questions-and-answers.aspx





    You like being porked by an aggressive monopolist? Then please, by all means, do the Vista thing.
    whisperycat
    • Poor Vista media experience

      I recently purchased a new laptop that has Vista Home Premium installed. I didn't buy it for Vista, I'd rather have XP installed but I'm willing to give it a try.

      It plays movies fine (so far) but a simple AVI file of my daughter's cheerleading competion played like crap. The video was smooth but in slo-mo. The audio was extremely chopping. This video plays fine on any other computer I have, most of which are half the CPU power of this new laptop.

      Also, I'm so far unable to get a wireless WPA-PSK connection to work. It connects to the router but is unable to correctly obtain the DHCP information. I used a wired connection to update but that hasn't helped.

      Overall, I'm not impressed with it. Graphically, it is much nicer looking, there are some minor features that I do like. But all in all, it's really only a minor upgrade from XP, at least as far as the user experience goes. And in some ways, it's actually a step backward.
      gath
      • re WiFi

        I had a similar experience with a Mac the other day, It would create the WiFi connection but no DHCP.

        It was a Linksys WRT54G v6 (or something to that effect). Updated the firmware, in the changelog it mentions this specific problem, and viola it worked.

        perhaps the answer to your problem?
        JoeMama_z
        • Linksys

          Linksys is terrible. I've had numerous problems with Linksys routers.
          UbiquitousGeek
    • How many times do you need this

      tedious load of FUD shot down before you go away? You think slipping it in here and there, some people will latch onto it that didn't see you get humiliated the last time you tried to pitch it? Give it up, you've proven you totally lack even a fundamental knowledge of DRM, what it's about and who implements it. You keep posting this same garbage using one man, your lover?, Mr. Gutlmann as your sole source of information surrounding Windows and DRM and as mentioned it's been sufficiently....fud busted <br><br>
      xuniL_z
      • Get a grip

        FUD is for Microsofties, as you well know. I quote Gutmann, in the context of Vista DRM, because Gutmann is the guy who's paper on Vista DRM porks Microsoft's FUD and evasion on the same subject. Of course I quote Gutmann, who else am I supposed to quote, someone who didn't write his paper?

        As to busted, yes, Microsoft's response to Gutmann's analysis has been well and truly busted. Microsoft chose not to answer anything directly, they set up a PR driven blog in an attempt to gloss over and play down the realities of Vista DRM. Bad move! Microsoft's transparent attempt to evade, obfuscate and spin have (are being) ripped to shreds by the wide range of commentators, professional and amateur, who have left responses to the blog.

        Just look at the drivel you wrote! Not a single fact to support any counter argument, just inane babbling - "Give it up, you've proven you totally lack even a fundamental knowledge of DRM, what it's about and who implements it. You keep posting this same garbage using one man, your lover?, Mr. Gutlmann as your sole source of information surrounding Windows and DRM and as mentioned it's been sufficiently....fud busted"

        DRM isn't about Microsoft or Apple, its about corporations wanting to own music and own the people who enjoy listening to it. Judging by your spirited, bullsh*t packed post, Vista DRM must really matter to you? Here, have another seizure, go read
        Peter Gutmann's response to Microsoft's refutation -

        http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html#response
        whisperycat
        • ummm, i wasn't sure until now...

          but you are passionate about this. I've gotta tell you, I just don't have the passion for it. DRM, as you stated, isn't about Microsoft, but you go on and on about Vista DRM as though it's the DRM ringleader. It's their implementation of what is required to allow protected content from the web. They didn't create it, but they have to deal with it. You have problems with their implementation? Well come up with a better idea then instead of pointing the finger at one company that has an obligation to it's userbase to allow them quality music, and how they provide that is not dictated by MS. I'm sorry but I love music as much as anyone growing up on rock and being taken along to more events than I can remember now dozens upon dozens having older friends(have seen Pink Floyd shows live starting with the Animals tour, which I attended as a very young man/boy in Pittsburgh, PA in 1977 at Three Rivers stadium, then MLoR in 87 at the Syracuse Carrier Dome and again at 3 rivers(great album considering it's waters-less) and DB in 94 in Toronto...other notables being Van Halen's debut as a warmup act for Black Sabbath at a GA venue, VH headline performances (the best live band I've ever seen bar none) bunches of dark hard british shows like Judas Priest, Ozzy of course several times etc.) but until there is a way found to allow the best musicians and entertainers in the world to have the reimbursement for their services that they are accustomed to and deserve, as those before them, then we have a problem. I love all kinds of music. I'm quite certain David Gilmour will not allow their music to be sold as download w/o DRM. Am I now supposed to boycott Pink Floyd music because of it? I won't stop listening to any new music created by Gilmour or Waters for spite of DRM. If a machine has to have 2 GB of RAM to handle Vista, then so be it. That kills me, suddenly a hundred extra bucks bundled in or added to a PC is going to break everyone, but at the same time I guarantee those people will stand behind the super high margin Apple hardware and software simply to spite MS. Apple's current hardware is the same stuff being used by Dell, it's become more of an issue than their DRM. Sure their prices have dropped some, they are using the same parts as Gateway, but you still pay way over invoice for it just to be locked in.. Vista will be worth it. You can use your ipod for swap space and it's runs smoothly and quick. Whatever it's doing to check for DRM isn't happening ALL the time you are using Vista, is that what you are saying? That is totally wrong. <br>
          Like youTube the only good stuff they have is stolen IP and it keeps getting torn down. They will have to face a way to deal with this kind of thing too to provide entertainment. I prefer professional entertainers doing professional work that is professionally produced. I'm not ready for a European bean eating and flatulence contest, to be included in the selections. The freedoms of the internet are great but at times create obstacles that must be dealt with. DRM will come and go, like everything else. What's the big deal.
          xuniL_z
  • What's better, exactly?

    Your article is pretty light on the content there, friend. What exactly do you think
    Apple should be photocopying? You mention Aero Glass as being impressive, but
    Aqua has been around for years and sure looks better to me - what would Apple
    copy? What's this launcher application, and what about it is like Spotlight and
    Quicksilver put together? Are you just talking about the new start button, or what?
    What's better about Gadgets over Dashboard?
    notmart
    • Don't Forget

      Microsoft have had these features ready for years. It's just that it's taken them 5 years to get the product out.
      Apple copied Mac matey, put that in your pipe and honk it...
      Moosehouse
      • You're the one apparently smoking the pipe

        or something...

        >>> Apple copied Mac matey, put that in your pipe and honk it... >>.

        ??? Can't even get that right, speaks volumes about the rest of your rant.

        >>> Microsoft have had these features ready for years. It's just that it's taken them 5 years to get the product out. >>>

        Sure, Gates (and MS) thought of EVERYTHING while Gates was still in his mother's womb and ANYTHING anyone else does was an MS "innovation".

        Quit sniffing the moose puckies and come back down to Earth.


        ...
        MacCanuck
        • Think Again

          Sorry MacCanuck to disappoint you. You're trying to put a square peg in a pigeon hole.
          I'll leave the Macboy rant to you. So what exactly are the new Mac O/S features. Stevie boy was pretty vague on them at Macworld.
          I may be smelling Moose puckies, but you're full of something that doesn't smell nice.
          Do you come from Edmonton, that would explain a lot...
          Moosehouse
          • I see you came from Tennessee.

            Is it true that there is a law there that states: "if you divorce your wife, you are still
            cousins)?
            Graham Fluet
          • Sorry to disappoint you sonny

            Sorry to disappoint you sonny. Big White North via the Mother Country. Now yo can go back to counting on your fingers and toes...
            Moosehouse
        • Vapour expert

          The way Gates/Microsoft does it is by announcing some vague feature whenever they hear of something cool a competitor is actually already working on, so that people would either (1) wait for the Microsoft product and/or (2) attribute the innovation to them.

          The difference is that while said competitor typically has the product out or close to launching it, Microsoft usually never delivers (re: Cairo object-orientation and other NeXT-like features way back in 1989, for example).

          There's a website with a long list of the non-innovations Microsoft has claimed for itself.

          The most recent example would be Gates' "user centric" feature claim in an interview he did for the Vista launch. Apple had already announced this very feature as part of Leopard in the middle of last year, but when it does come out in OS X in Spring this year, Gates will then wail again like a child who'd had his toy taken away.
          therobotman
        • No sense squabbling over who was first now...

          <i>Popular mythology celebrates the independent entrepreneurs who produced the personal computer (PC) revolution--Steve Jobs at Apple........but these innovators built upon ideas developed previously, many of them with government funding</i><br><br>

          <i>In 1973, Xerox unveiled its Alto personal computer, a system of boxes, each of which was controlled with a graphical user interface and a mouse, with each box connected to others throughout the Palo Alto Research Center (PARC) through an Ethernet network.</i><br><br>
          Just a reminder of where Apple computer's ideas come from....Xerox and here: <i>During the late 1970s and early 1980s, an ARPA-funded project at the University of California at Berkeley (UC-Berkeley) produced a version of Unix (the Berkeley System Distribution, or BSD) that included tightly integrated networking capabilities.</i><br><br> So that accounts for Apple's GUI, kernel, subsystems and networking..interesting. Microsoft writes it's systems inhouse at their own cost <br><br>

          <i>The National Cooperative Research Act of 1984 exempted research consortia from some antitrust laws </i><br><br>
          Wow, and PARC and commercial parnters included.....and leave it to Microsoft to wait until everyone in the industry from Apple to Sun has been built on government sponsorship and the technology out of PARC, Berkeley and Stanford to name a few, with exemptions from anti trust, to come in and write their own code, build a system that could be used by most anyone in the industrialized world(financially), was robust and probably has the largest set of useful tools on the planet, to get dinged with anti trust violations....hey Bill..why didn't you get your funding for free and the blessing of the Feds and this would never have happened!! <br><br>

          <i>federal funding was important in supporting some of the early ideas on human-computer interaction (such as the computer mouse) that contributed to developing the personal computer.
          </i> <br><br>
          Just a reminder that Apple didn't invent the mouse either..
          <br><br>
          The real irony isn't from the Apple camp however, but from the linux camp. With the never ending "monopoly" charges being thrown around to this day, they conveniently forget how *nix was born
          <br><br>
          <i>AT&T, for example, conducted long-term research at Bell Laboratories and for many years had a government-granted monopoly on the telephone industry. Its research expenditures were in effect a tax on consumers because they were paid for by AT&T's regulated rates for telephone service. </i>
          xuniL_z
    • Gadgets over Dashboard

      notmart -

      This was not intended to be a full review of Vista, on the contrary. It is merely a few observations that I made casually over the weekend.

      I don't know about you but I *never* use dashboard and I almost never use spotlight.

      - Dashboard makes almost no sense to me because it can't run in the background. What good is a stock ticker or weather widget if I have to invoke it *and* wait for it to load to get the data? My browser bookmark is much faster, thank you.

      - Also, spotlight is a resource hog that is slow and not customizable. What if I only want to search by document title (remember those days?) and not inside the contents of a doc? Not possible in Spotlight. Quicksilver (and dare I say Vista's Start button?) slaughter it.

      - Jason
      Jason D. O'Grady
      • Re: Gadgets over Dashboard

        Thanks for the response Jason...

        - Dashboard is always running in the background - and you can "invoke" it by
        going to a screen corner, or squeezing the Mighty Mouse, etc... I can understand
        why you may have a personal preference for a browser bookmark - but what
        makes Windows Gadgets objectively better than Dashboard?

        - Spotlight is incredibly fast and not a resource hog at all - are you saying Vista's
        search is faster or less of a hog? And Spotlight is customizable - don't forget that
        the little blue magnifying glass is just one convenient way to use Spotlight. If you
        only want to search by title, hit Command-F or File > Find in Finder. Not only is it
        customizable (you can have as many conditions as you like, including title, date
        modified, etc.) but you can save your search as a Smart Folder to use later with
        just one click. What's better about the way Vista does it?
        notmart