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Snow Leopard: What’s the hurry to upgrade?

By | August 31, 2009, 12:16pm PDT

Summary: With any systemwide upgrade, for some users, especially early adopters, things can and will go wrong. However, the new features and the chance for improved performance will always woo many to upgrade sooner rather than later. And Mac OS X 10.6, Snow Leopard is no different than any other software upgrade.

With any systemwide upgrade, for some users, especially early adopters, things can and will go wrong. However, the new features and the chance for improved performance will always woo many to upgrade sooner rather than later. And Mac OS X 10.6, Snow Leopard is no different than any other software upgrade.

Several recent posts show Snow Leopard’s promise and potential pitfalls.

Chuck Shotton, president of startup Concluent Systems, Monday morning sent out a pair of warning tweets:

Snow Leopard FAILS! Turned my MacBook Pro into Hellen Keller. No screen, mouse, keyboard, or audio. WTF!?!

Apparently MacBook Pro owners are victims of a cruel QA joke being played by Apple — “Psych! We never tested 10.6 with your machines!”

This doesn’t appear to be the widespread experience of upgraders. Still, it’s a good warning.

I always clone my system onto a bootable external drive just before installing any system update so that I can immediately restart holding down the Option key and select the older but more usable system from the Startup Manager. This is in addition to a Time Machine refresh. Depending on your system and applications and workflow, the older, wiser plain ol’ Leopard may be your friend.

On the other hand, Lloyd Chambers’ Macintosh Performance Guide for Digital Photographers & Performance Addicts blog offers the results of performance tests for Snow Leopard. The tested applications included Adobe Creative Suite 4 and Lightroom, Apple Aperture and D-studio’s Helicon Focus.

Running Leopard (10.5) takes 3 percent longer on the test than Snow Leopard/32, and 6 percent longer than Snow Leopard/64. The surprise here is that booting 64-bit Snow Leopard is faster; after all Photoshop CS4 is a 32-bit program. The difference suggests that the 64-bit Snow Leopard kernel is more efficient in general.

A difference of 6 percent might not sound like much, but Apple charges $500 more for a 2.93GHz Mac Pro Nehalem over a 2.66GHz model for a 10 percent speed difference. Think of it like a $300 speed upgrade for $25.

He points out that Adobe Lightroom users may want to check its prefs and make sure that the Open in 32-bit Mode setting is unchecked.

Here are some of his conclusions:

Snow Leopard booted into the 32-bit kernel is always faster than Leopard, with fair to substantial gains, depending on the application.

But Snow Leopard booted into the 64-bit kernel shows a consistent performance advantage over Leopard, and even more advantage over 32-bit Snow Leopard as well. Performance gains of up to 30% were observed, making Snow Leopard by far the best value for the money in a long, long time. At about $25 , you won’t find a more compelling upgrade of any kind, anywhere.

Apple’s decision to default Snow Leopard into 32-bit-kernel mode is a losing proposition for most photography related applications: boot into 64-bit mode if you don’t have any hardware/software that precludes it.

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David Morgenstern has covered the Mac market and other technology segments for 20 years. In the recent past, he founded Ziff-Davis' Storage Supersite, served as news editor for Ziff Davis Internet and held several executive editorial positions at eWEEK. In the 1990s, David was editor of Ziff Davis' award-winning MacWEEK news publication as well as its successor title, eMediaWEEKly, which focused on multiplatform professional content creation. His byline can be found online and in print publications including CreativePro.com, Peachpit Press' Mac Bible and Popular Photography.

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runs fine....
doh123 4th Sep 2009
runs fine on my Macbook Pro...

only issues i have is switching to 64bit and a ot of command line stuff,
and libraries and Open Source stuff are having issues... not liking 64bit
libraries, and having to force compile stuff back at 32bit.. which doesn't
always work for some reason... but thats nothing the overwhelming
majority of users would know anything about, let alone use... OSX 10.6
has been fantastic overall
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Boot Camp 2.1 drivers don't allow Windows to control screen brightness dynamically which means I have to remember to turn my screen brightness down when on battery and up when plugged in. I'm hoping Boot Camp 3.0 fixes this glaring bug. And it will only cost me $9.95 (plus tax) for my Windows driver upgrade (bought my Mac quite recently so upgrade is discounted)!! That sounds like quite the deal!! Of course, we won't compare that to how much my Toshiba laptop driver upgrades cost me. That would result in a statement that wasn't 110% glowing positive for Apple.

Apple: Our driver upgrades only cost $29.95. What a deal!!
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I guess I'll keep using my machine as a Vista render mule. At least it's quiet and looks good.
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ZFS?
ewelch 1st Sep 2009
ZFS wasn't happening with Snow Leopard anyway. It was only going to be
in the Server version by default. They obviously decided it was more
trouble than it was worth at this point. Though I really wanted it. I can
wait until it's ready, because then there will be one more compelling
reason to go with OS X that Windows won't likely ever have. At least until
OS X has it and they feel left out.
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Others may find more reasons
Richard Flude 31st Aug 2009
Ars has a very detailed look at Apple's new OS:

http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2009/08/mac-os-x-10-6.ars
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Agreed.
GuidingLight 31st Aug 2009
Leopard is just fine, no sense wasting money on an upgrade when they have not done anything really different.

With no real improvement, why bother?
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There was improvement
NonZealot 31st Aug 2009
In Leopard, holding down '6' and '4' keys during bootup did nothing at all. Now it does something. That's progress: Apple style! happy
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LOL
mgp3 31st Aug 2009
NZ, you never fail to slay me. Thanks for that.
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Shouldn't encourage him
jorjitop 31st Aug 2009
Whenever I see NZ or LD in these comments, I know they will go off topic and become a total waste of time. They should be blocked permanently.
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That's right...
mgp3 31st Aug 2009
Cuz none of the Apple or Linux zealots ever go over to the Windows blogs and post off topic, right? Can you post a link to where you complain about that?
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Let's look at some examples, shall we?
msalzberg 31st Aug 2009
http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=5253

title: Snow Leopard might crash your apps

Talkbacks? 109, most from the usual anti-Apple crowd (15 snide
comments from one person alone), railing at Apple for possible
incompatibilies.

Now look here:

http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=5256

Title:Windows Update kills PowerPoint feature

Talkbacks? 7. And this is about Microsoft's own Windows Update
actually killing Microsoft's own PowerPoint.

So where are all of the Apple and Linux zealots you're talking about?
Kind of silly to complain about something that is demonstrably false.
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Did you actually read the article?
msalzberg 31st Aug 2009
"Snow Leopard booted into the 32-bit kernel is always faster than
Leopard, with fair to substantial gains, depending on the application.

But Snow Leopard booted into the 64-bit kernel shows a consistent
performance advantage over Leopard, and even more advantage over 32-
bit Snow Leopard as well. Performance gains of up to 30% were
observed, making Snow Leopard by far the best value for the money in a
long, long time
. At about $25 , you won?t find a more compelling
upgrade of any kind, anywhere."
Thanks to Apple's artificial limits. It would be nice if I could boot my 2nd gen MacBook into the 64 bit kernel.
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Let's try this again...
msalzberg Updated - 31st Aug 2009
"Snow Leopard booted into the 32-bit kernel is always faster than
Leopard, with fair to substantial gains, depending on the
application.
"

I'd also suggest reading this:

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9137229/What_s_the_real_
deal_with_64_bit_computing_in_Snow_Leopard_


which is a pretty good explanation of Snow Leopard's 64-bitness. Even I
understood it.
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So your point is???
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You Watch
bobiroc 31st Aug 2009
Somehow Apple will spin this and get idiots to believe that they invented the 64bit OS.
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And 32-bit SL is faster than Leopard.
msalzberg 31st Aug 2009
So your point is???
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Thus I can't take full advantage of the speed increase offered due to some arbitrary limitation imposed by Apple.
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@ye...
msalzberg 1st Sep 2009
Even if you have a 32-bit EFI, you can still boot to 64-bit.
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Even if you have a 32-bit EFI, you can still boot to 64-bit.

Would I use the same proceedure as listed for capable Macs? Or is there some hacking I would need to do?
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Last I Knew
DannyO_0x98 31st Aug 2009
You were opposed to upgrading from Tiger to Leopard, seeing no point
in spending the money. If you upgraded it would be because you bought
the new os on a new Mac.

Gen 2? Are you complaining that Apple left PowerPC behind? You couldn't
be complaining that your 32 bit G4 or Intel is arbitrarily precluded from
running 64 bit.
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PPC? It's an Intel.
ye 31st Aug 2009
The name, MacBook, should be enough to tell you it's not a PPC system. Those would be PowerBooks and iBooks.
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Nah...
zkiwi 31st Aug 2009
It's worth the money upgrade to SL to generate the spasms of outrage etc that are produced by the usual suspects.
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Spot on
frgough 31st Aug 2009
$29 just for the satisfaction of watching people like NZ blow an artery is
money well spent.
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RE: Snow Leopard: What's the hurry to upgrade?
AdventTech67 Updated - 31st Aug 2009
Agreed, I don't have to buy it, I've had it for months. If
anything, it's just a developers wet dream.
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I've upgraded two macbooks so far (a 3 yr old white 13" and a late 2008 Pro) and both upgrades executed flawlessly. I run Windows in a VM and have experienced no issues.

SN is smaller and faster. Finder is zippier. I can now minimize windows to application icons instead of cluttering up the left hand side of the dock (why I had to wait this long for that I'll never know). I have 3 macbooks in the family so at $50 for a family pack I'm spending less than $17 a copy. Way less than dinner and a movie ... At that price, I don't expect much.

About to try booting in 64 bit mode to see what stops working happy

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RE: Snow Leopard: What's the hurry to upgrade?
peter.moyes@... 1st Sep 2009
The only regret - and a big one - I have from upgrading is
that my Samsung printer won't work with SL. Surely Apple
should have warned us that SL does not support as many
printers as L does?


Peter Moyes
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@ye...
msalzberg 1st Sep 2009
check this out:

http://netkas.org/?p=127

I haven't tried it myself, so I can't comment on it. Other sites
have posted info on this subject.
And from the sounds of it it appears I will not be able to boot the 64-bit kernel. From your link:

"also Apple disabled 64-bit kernel support for any macbooks, even with 64-bit efi."

Everything I've read to date states the MacBook cannot boot the 64-bit kernel. However I am not aware of anyone having actually attempted to do so. Until someone actually does so I'll have to assume it cannot.

It's not a deal breaker for my in purchasing SL. However it's disappointing that Apple has decided to intentionally limit the ability of my system to run the 64-bit kernel.
I wonder if there is a serious issue with running the 64 bit kernel on the MacBook that Apple knows about but doesn't want to report. Their solution? Disable the whole thing.
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I bought my MacBook instead of the MacBook Pro because I didn't see the advantages of the Pro for the price. At least when the first round of MacBooks were released. Apple is likely using it as an artificial way to differentiate the higher end MacBook Pro.
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Macbook users tend to be those on a more modest budget than MBP users, so they may be more likely to use older software rather than the latest and greatest. Older as in less likely to be compatible with the 64 bit kernel. I'd say that Apple is playing it safe with the Macbook crowd for now, and may open it up later with an update, perhaps in 6 months or so when compatibility issues have been largely solved.
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with 3rd party drivers and kernel extensions that haven't been rewritten
as 64 bit.

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I have no hurry upgrading. I need to update/upgrade some software after viewing the software restricted list from Apple http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3258.
I'm waiting for for more developers to migrate, if they want to, their software to Snow Leopard since some of these applications are showstopper for me.
I like some of the performance gains that Snow Leopard offers but not right now until more applications are working on Snow Leopard.
One system upgrade that has failed is apples reported update of older multi-touch pads to use 3 and 4 finger movements , "NOT " My Macpro 17" is till in 2 finger mode with no added setttings ?

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I am a photographer, and finally made the PC to MAC switch this week to a top spec 15" MacBookPro. As this is my first mac, I don't know how I will find the adjustment so any opinions on if it is a good idea to take the offer of a free upgrade to snow leopard right now? It sounds like it might have issues with MacBook Pro.
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runs fine....
doh123 4th Sep 2009
runs fine on my Macbook Pro...

only issues i have is switching to 64bit and a ot of command line stuff,
and libraries and Open Source stuff are having issues... not liking 64bit
libraries, and having to force compile stuff back at 32bit.. which doesn't
always work for some reason... but thats nothing the overwhelming
majority of users would know anything about, let alone use... OSX 10.6
has been fantastic overall
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The proper question should be
richdave 3rd Sep 2009
Snow Leopard - Upgrade or downgrade.

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