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Top analyst slams Adobe over expected expensive changes to Creative Suite upgrade policy

By | December 23, 2011, 5:13pm PST

Summary: The president of the National Association of Photoshop Professionals this week decried reported planned changes to Adobe Systems’ upgrade policies for Adobe Photoshop and the Creative Suite. The new path requires owners of older versions to purchase the current Creative Suite 5.x before upgrading (and paying for) the next version.

The president of the National Association of Photoshop Professionals this week decried reported planned changes to Adobe Systems’ upgrade policies for Adobe Photoshop and the Creative Suite. The new path requires owners of older versions to purchase the current Creative Suite 5.x before upgrading (and paying for) the next version.

According to Kelby, owners of the popular Version 4.x will be required to “repurchase” Version 5.x at full price before moving to the next version, presumable Version 6.0.

In his long “open letter” to Adobe executives, Kelby suggests that Adobe go slowly with such an aggressive pricing strategy.

I have always felt that Adobe was very customer centric, and that their decisions were based on what’s best for their customers, but in this particular instance I can’t see how cutting off CS4 and CS3 users, and making them either pay two upgrades in a row, or pay the full retail price to get CS6, benefits anybody but Adobe.

Remember that we’re talking about a $699 piece of software here.

With that said, here’s my plea to Adobe:
If you really want to be fair to your customers, at the very least don’t start this policy yet. Start it with Photoshop CS7. Make CS6 your new upgrade pricing transition version, and tell everybody now, up front—–at the start of the product’s life cycle, that everybody will need to upgrade to CS6 at some point because the next version (CS7) won’t support older users. That way, we’re not spending money just to spend more money again. Adobe, you can still have what you want—-you can still get everybody on the current version, but it gives us time to save, time to plan, and anybody still left behind at that point will have had more than fair warning.

Another option I feel would be very fair to Adobe customers would be to offer a tiered upgrade which rewards your best customers (customers who upgraded to CS5 or 5.5) by giving them the best upgrade deal, but then offer CS4 users a reasonable upgrade path (they would pay more for their upgrade, but they’re getting all the features added in CS5.5 as well, so that’s fair) and then why not even offer an upgrade path to CS6 for your CS3 users? They would certainly wind up paying the most in upgrade fees, but at least it wouldn’t be the full $699 (or even more if they’re on the CS3 suite). This tiered approach gives everybody an opportunity to stay on as an Adobe customer, but still gives your best customers preferential upgrade pricing.

Good luck with this plea. Adobe owns this professional platform. Apple might offer some competition, but in its actions this past year, Cupertino appears to stressing its consumer-side solutions rather than behaving like a company that targets professional content creators. We will see whether the considerations for longstanding customers or corporate profit margins come out on top here.

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David Morgenstern

David Morgenstern has covered the Mac market and other technology segments for 20 years. In the recent past, he founded Ziff-Davis' Storage Supersite, served as news editor for Ziff Davis Internet and held several executive editorial positions at eWEEK. In the 1990s, David was editor of Ziff Davis' award-winning MacWEEK news publication as well as its successor title, eMediaWEEKly, which focused on multiplatform professional content creation. His byline can be found online and in print publications including CreativePro.com, Peachpit Press' Mac Bible and Popular Photography.

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RE: Top analyst slams Adobe over expected expensive changes to Creative Suite upgrade policy
Champ_Kind 28th Dec
@klumper After Corel bought JASC, it quickly went downhill.
With all due respect, the people who use Photoshop and are willing to pay for it at all can afford to pay 700 dollars for the latest version, if they are still on the 4.X version.

Adobe is being smart here, even Microsoft is no longer allow you to go from XP to 7, it has to be XP to Vista to 7.
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And there is the rub....
James Quinn 24th Dec
@Lerianis10 .... Paying for failure is the consumer. Hey I'm a huge and on this sight a well known Apple fan but this is a bad policy plain and simple and "IF" Apple does the sqme I say it now and clearly SHAME on Apple. I don't care if you happen to think VISTA was great and a good product "IF" I did not and choose to skip it until another better version came out then I should not have to pay for a previous one. It's like I go to purchase a new car and find I MUST purchase the previous model as well as the model I actually want. For me that would be terrible cause right now my car is a 1989 Honda Civic YIKES!!!! It's bad enough we are sometimes Beta Testers on our own dime. Now we have to pay for a companies failures and or bad choices...huh!?!

Pagan jim
@James Quinn

Cars are different than computer software. You are comparing a B-52 bomber to an apple (the actual fruit) there, to show the ridiculousness of that argument.
@Lerianis10 - FWIW, Microsoft doesn't force XP users to buy Vista and then buy Win7. If you want to upgrade to Win7 without doing a wipe & reinstall, you can upgrade to en evaluation copy of Vista and then upgrade that to a licensed version of Win7 if you wish.

However, it would greatly benefit most XP users to do a clean install of Win7 whenever possible so that cruft & issues with XP aren't carried forward to Win7.
@Lerianis10 buying photoshop is not so bad.
but I have production Premium Suite CS4, a 1200$ product. to get CS6, I would have to pay the full price again, as though I've never been a customer of Adobe. I'm not a professionnal, I just needed AfterFX, Photoshop and Premier for amateur video making.
@Lerianis10 even Microsoft is no longer allow you to go from XP to 7, it has to be XP to Vista to 7.

Since WHEN? Is this some recent development that I'm not aware of? Because I did not have to "update" to Vista on my Dell XPS when I upgraded it from XP to Windows 7 - I did a clean install of Windows 7.
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I switched a long time ago....
Joe_Raby 23rd Dec
to Corel Paint Shop Pro, and haven't looked back.
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How long back?
klumper 24th Dec
@Joe_Raby

It used to be Jasc. wink
@klumper After Corel bought JASC, it quickly went downhill.
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We make a habit of upgrading only to odd-numbered versions, just to amortize our upgrade cycle every three years rather than every 14 to 18 months.
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I told you so
johnfenjackson@... 24th Dec
That the likes of Scott Kelby should write about Adobe in such derogatory tone certainly suggests something is wrong. I'm suprised I haven't picked it up, and that its taken ZDNET a month ... but well done all the same. In fact we need a lot more from ZDNET highlighting tactics like this one.

I keep pointing out that the global corporates will use the cloud to keep prices at the historical level they want, not at the level it should reasonably be given advances in computing, networking and software. I could write a template for new announcements ...

"At our recent { MAX } conference, we announced the {Adobe Creative} Cloud ??? a groundbreaking initative that we believe will radically redefine {the creative process}."
"We are excited to announce that membership to the {Adobe Creative} Cloud will be available in the first half of 2012 at a price of {$49.99} per month ..."
"With regards to upgrades, we are changing our policy for perpetual license customers. In order to qualify for upgrade pricing when {CS6} releases, customers will need to be {on the latest version of our software (either CS5 or CS5.5 editions).}"
"There is a tremendous shift happening around content creation, distribution and monetization."
MONETIZATION OF CREATION AND DISTRIBUTION ... that's the only phrase we need to understand.

Buy hey, let Apple charge developers 30%, let M$ sucker you into that 30% ... move all your work to a vendor cloud and pay their subscriptions, buy up ADOBE's monetization dream ... loser! And all the corporate sheep will then be able to write:
"... falling in line with the new industry norm ..."
It will only become the norm if you are too stupid to see the shift! Everyone seems to be able to see the shift as far as the music industry is concerned - in retrospect.

Isn't it time to show a little foresight and prevent it happening across the board?
@johnfenjackson you're a bit veering off into the field with that rant about the 30% for the app stores. when you buy software from anywhere other than the a company own's web store, the retailer has his percentage as well, not to mention all the other costs. and some company actually do not run their own web store, it just looks like they do but it's another company that runs it and takes its cut
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Old Millenium Business Model
johnfenjackson@... 24th Dec
If you look here ...
https://sites.google.com/a/chromium.org/dev/developers/tech-talk-videos/release-process
... you will see that Google can update 200,000,000 users in 6 hours.

Do you not understand the Internet? That the incremental cost of digital distribution and payment collection is ...
... virtually ZERO?
It seems not!

Why do you want to continue with a business model from the last Millenium?
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johnfenjackson@...
Davewrite 25th Dec
@johnfenjackson@...

emm.. regardless,
Google ALSO charges 30% from developers to sell stuff on their android market.
Welcome to the world of the effective monopoly. When they have you locked in, they can charge whatever they want and you just have to suck it up. If enough people bail on the platform then maybe something will happen, but not before.
@terry flores Adobe made a good product that nobody seems able to duplicate.

I say, if you dont like the new pricing, don't upgrade. There's probably very little in the new version that is a must have feature. The product is already very mature, and so I doubt the new features are earth shattering.
@otaddy
Thats my thinking just how much more can they add to the program thats worth the upgrade. Hell they haven't even fixed all the bugs from the very first version which i beleave we are paying for as well. And why cant we buy Adobe 7?
@otaddy I agree with this as well. I'm still on CS5. I went from CS to CS3 then CS5. I will probably upgrade to CS7 and I may even wait a little longer than that. I do my job just fine with CS5. The only reason I upgraded from CS3 is because the company I work for transitioned to it and it was annoying having to open the INDX/INDD files and fool with all of that. Until they upgrade to something else, I'm sticking with CS5.
GIMP, Inkscape and Sribus. These are what I need for now. Admittedly they might be a little less efficient for some jobs (one-step CMYK), but Adobe's ridiculousness is out of line. And why the hell is the open letter pleading rather than blasting the hell out of Adobe?
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Money... Money
gbouchard99@... 24th Dec
Overpriced upgrades for an already overpriced software. Too bad that Corel can't keep up.
@gbouchard99@...
Corel can keep up but there not willing to license the features that adobe had patented.And Corel is no different as far as upgrading every year. Its alot less expensive 50 for an upgrade but bugs from the previous versions never get fixed
Hope this isn't true. I've never owned any version of Adobe's Creative Suite but have been using Photoshop since version 4 and have maintained my upgrade since then. I'm currently using Photoshop CS5, which hopefully will qualify for the upgrade. If it does, let us also hope that the upgrade is a great one.
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He is highly respected in the industry and probably has a better pulse and read of the PS/CS crowd than anyone at this point, if his popular books and seminars are to be any judge.
It appears to me that Adobe has recognized that they have a poor business model. Adobe has huge expenses each year with their programmers preparing new products yet users know they can skip versions and pick up all the new features with an upgrade down the road.

It is for this reason that so many companies are resorting to a subscription business model with reduced yearly pricing that allows for better budgeting for product development costs. The method Adobe looks like it might pursue will just piss off the user base and solve nothing long term.
Is Kelby really writing what he believes. As a member of NAPP he took some heat for not speaking up. Then low and behold he publishes this letter. I don't believe that he is speaking his real feelings but rather the sentiments of some of the hobbyists that currently own older version of this software. Lets face it, every new version of Photoshop also means new revenue for Kelby and his team. New books, new DVD's and the never end of streaming video that they will publish. I have my doubts that what he writes is his sentiment but he got boxed into a corner by the forums at NAPP. Is NAPP really an organization that speaks for Photoshop users, I doubt it. He started something that is a great revenue generator, a way to promote his books and other educational material but is hardly a voice for the users of Adobe products.

Those that are complaining are the hobbyists (by and large) that feel they must have the full blown Photoshop when they could easily get by with Elements or a free program such as GIMP. I use it professionally and the 700.00 is just a necessary evil and I have always stayed current. It is a cost of doing business, period. If the local dentist wants to shoot weddings on the weekend and then complain about the cost of Photoshop he should become a real business and work accordingly.

It is unfortunate that no one has been able to compete effectively against Photoshop. They are the standard that all others are compared against and there are plenty of other options available out there for those that seem to think they can't afford this.
Adobe has been getting increasingly hostile toward its customers for a while. I cite the Acrobat Pro component of the CS suite as an example. CS4 included Acrobat Pro 9. So did CS5 because Acrobat Pro X wasn't released until after CS5 came out. But did Adobe offer a free upgrade to Acrobat Pro X for CS5 buyers? No, you have to upgrade to CS5.5 for at least $299. And this is an incremental upgrade!
Oh wait, no. They aren't. Their price is based on what the market is willing and able to pay for those products.

All Apple fans should be cheering the fact that Adobe is taking the Apple approach to business: charge as much as you can to maximize your profits as much as you can. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this.
@toddybottom Adobe has a lock on this type of software. Corel cannot keep up. It's a sick market. We all lose.
To the person who switched to Corel PAINT SHOP PRO and never looked back. It is laughable to compare the basic and really crude user interface of Corel's stuff with that of the brilliant Adobe sofware and I own them both so I am not speaking in some sort of competive mode. I am not happy of course with having to purchase CS5.5 for several of my machines that were running 4 but considering the brilliance of CS sofware, it was a no brainer to do so. In the end, Adobe keeps us humming along. There is simply no substitute for Photoshop and surely not that primitive Corel stuff and their horrid lack of support. By the way, can anyone actually SEE the tiny fonts used for Corel on a high res screen? NO? Do they answer my requests for changing them? NO! The stuff looks like a port from a Windows environment and likely is exactly that. Spare creative users this software. Tis a pity there is no competition other than open source Gimp but that is the way it is. Put up your money and stop whining..lol

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