Will Apple dump Blu-ray?

Will Apple dump Blu-ray?

Summary: Paramount and Dreamworks have thrown their support behind HD-DVD in the high-def DVD format wars leaving Blu-Ray behind. So where does that leave Apple?


Blu-ray Disc logoParamount and Dreamworks have thrown their support behind HD-DVD in the high-def DVD format wars leaving Blu-Ray behind. So where does that leave Apple?

Apple put their support behind the Blu-ray format in March 2005 when they joined the Blu-ray Disc Association's (BDA) Board of Directors. In October Apple was rumored to adopt both formats with Blu-ray drives supposed to land in the Mac Pro as early as February 2007, but that never came to pass.

Apple is taking the exact right strategy on this one. They're waiting for the dust to settle and for one clear leader to emerge. When (and if) that happens, Apple will adopt that technology for the Mac.

I can't agree more with Apple. I've been advocating a total boycott of both Blu-ray and HD DVD for a while now because I don't think that the consumer should be held hostage while two children throw a temper tantrum. Don't buy movies or players (including the PS3 and the Xbox external) in either format unless you want to get stuck with a 21st century Betamax.

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  • Apple should offer both as options!

    I don't understand why Apple and others have to pick a side!
    Why not offering any disk format the customer demands?
    Let the consumer be the judge not some greedy CEO!
    Linux Geek
  • BluRay is going to win this battle

    I read a story a few days ago with sales numbers for the HD formats, BluRay is
    trouncing HDDVD in number of movies sold and its ahead solidly in number of
    players sold. I expect BluRay to come out the winner within another 12 months or
    • RE: trouncing?

      I've read much the opposite, that HD DVD took the early lead but then Blu-Ray surpassed them, but the total numbers make it look like neither is enjoying what I'd call a breakaway win. So far I think it's something like 2.2 million Blu-Ray titles shipped/sold to 1.7 HD DVD. No word if that includes the 5 free given away with BluRay players and PS3s, though.

      With the players, again everything I've read is that it's really close. Add to that the fact the overwhelming majority of Blu-Ray players sold are actually PS3s, and I'm not so sure Blu-Ray is really winning out, or if they're going to be the long-term champ.

      Personally, I'm sitting this one out until the marketplace determines the standard.
      • "Personally, I'm sitting this one out until the marketplace determines win"

        Umm...it looks like you want Microsoft's 'prospect' to win. Otherwise, why the argument?
        • RE: Microsoft?

          What does MS have to do with it? All I was saying is it doesn't seem like there is any clear winner at the moment, and it doesn't seem like there is going to be one anytime soon. I simply framed it in response to the post that said Blu-Ray was trouncing HD DVD, which doesn't appear to be the case. Outselling is one thing, but 'trouncing' implies a lead on a larger magnitude... for example, the PS2 throughly trounced the original XBox in the market.
        • I see now your thought process

          anyone who shows an opinion which happens to inadvertently be associated with, or favors Microsoft, wants [i]Microsoft to win[/i], throwing out the premise of just "wanting to set the record right".

          Interesting how one's hatred taints their view of things around them.
          • So what he's saying is . . .

            If I want HD-DVD to win, all I have to do is tell him that MS is supporting Blu-Ray, and He'll rush right out and buy an HD-DVD unit . . . . ;)
    • Heh..nope

      The problem is the players for Blue-Ray are expensive (let's call them Betamax) whereas the players for the HD-DVD format (let's call them VHS) are much, much cheaper (sometimes by as much as 10 times cheaper). Different technologies, same story. The Sony Blue-ray is too expensive and WILL go the way of the Betamax.

      If you were an adult who had no interest in gaming, and wanted to play HD movies at home, which would you buy: a player that costs 10 times more than the other?? I don't think so.
      • Look at the latest prices

        There is a reason why Toshiba is the only player on the HD-DVD front. No other CE companies want to make one that cheap. No money to be made. The Toshiba players are currently $299, $399, $699. The $299 player is only 1080i. The $399 one does only 1080p60, no 1080p24 yet. It also has no multi channel analog outputs. The $699 player is good.

        On the Bluray front, Sony BDP-S301 is $449 at Costco. It does 1080p24 and 60 and has multi channel analog outputs. Panasonic player is $499. The Samsung is $599. The PS3 is $499. You have so many choices. So, quit saying 10 times as expensive!!!
        • "The $299 player is only 1080i" . . .

          And the last time I looked, most of the TV's for sale were only 720p (unless you buy a really big screen, or an expensive plasma unit). And the 1080p's will play 1080i. So what's you're point? The betamax units weren't 10 times as expensive, either. But they still lost out to vhs for a couple of reasons.

          1) VHS could record for a longer time period (2-6 hours, I think the early ones could only go 4, though).

          2) Broadcast quality wasn't that good, and Cable wasn't real common then, so the tiny advantage Beta had meant nothing to the average user.

          3) VHS WAS cheaper, which meant (and means) lower income families wanting to join the recording craze were more likely to be able to afford the cheaper unit.

          Two of those reasons still apply (1 and 3) to the HD-DVD and Blu-Ray fight, and number two partially applies. Most people won't be able to tell the difference between 1080i and 1080p on a screen that is only 720p. Heck, [b]I[/b] can't tell the difference (the older I get, the worse my eyesight becomes <sigh>). :(

          Am I saying HD-DVD will win? Nope. In fact, prices have to come down even further on both TV's AND players before you'll see the real war even start . . .
          • Wrong reasons

            The ONLY reason that VHS won was that the technology was licensed to others, while betamax was not. Anyone could buy a license and manufacture a VCR that was compatible with anyone else's that built using the VHS format. More people making units, more competition, lower price. Betamax was also only mono, VHS offered stereo.
            Mike Hunt
      • Price comparison

        Just checked BestBuy.com to compare prices. Cheapest HD-DVD is $300 ($299.99) and cheapest Blu-Ray is $487. For $999, you can get a combo player which plays both and standard DVD's as well. Sounds as if ccrashh has stock in HD-DVD; why else would he submit such misleading information?
    • Some time ago

      Some time ago I read that high quality pR0n would be available on only one of these formats.

      Don't remember which one, but it'll the win in the end!

      Jack-Booted EULA
      • That be HD-DVD

        because it is cheaper to master due to technical reasons. Probably the required DRM encryption license.
    • I doubt it

      I doubt it. Only because the combined blu-ray/HD-DVD market only makes 2% of the entire market of movies being sold. So right 98% of the content being sold in on regular old DVDs. Why? Because you can buy a DVD player for $10. To get HD you have to buy one of the two players Blu-Ray being about $100 more expensive and you have to have a TV that supports otherwise why waste the money on the advanced players? So you are looking at about $1000 minimum to get HD quality on small screen.

      By the time the hardware drops in price there will be new format that everyone will be waiting for that offers much more than what Blu-ray or HD-DVD can offer.
      • The problem with Bue ray is...

        that is not compatible with the existing DVD disks.
        Most people already have a DVD on the shelf, and if you don't have a lot of extra space like me, than you can just replace the existing old DVD player with a HD-DVD player that can still play your collection or the common DVD rentals.
        You can't do that with blue ray player, and on top of it the disks seem to be more expensive than HD-DVD.
        Linux Geek
        • OOps...that was meant for CoolCat312 post

          Linux Geek
        • Are you sure? Links please!

          I have never read in 2 years the blue-ray or HD-DVD players would NOT play existing DVD disks. Care to elaborate or are you just shunting Blue-Ray because MS supports HD-DvD (really, really clever name by the way...so original and 'innovative'.
          • He speaks the truth (almost)

            That is to say that the HD-DVD format specifications is backward compatible with DVD but many Blu-Ray players on the market have dual HW/FW for reading both Blu-Ray and DVD. This makes them more expensive to implement.

            If you find an inexpensive Blu-Ray player, it probably does not play your old DVDs.
          • Correction:

            HD-DVD also uses a different laser than regular DVD so requires separate HW but can use the same FW.

            Also, your current DVD player can play HD-DVD at DVD resolutions. DVD players cannot play Blu-Ray at all.