Wintel Vista conspiracy screws customers: Another win for Apple

Summary: The latest PC market scandal - that Microsoft, Intel and some PC makers knew that the "Vista Capable" logo certification program was a lie and that some chipsets for popular machines couldn't support the new Aero interface stuff - must be music in the executive suites down in Cupertino. The story provides more evidence to PC users that there's a good reason to join the switcher movement to the Mac.

Wintel conspiracy screws customers: Another win for AppleThe latest PC market scandal - that Microsoft, Intel and some PC makers knew that the "Vista Capable" logo certification program was a lie and that some chipsets for popular machines couldn't support the new Aero interface stuff - must be music in the executive suites down in Cupertino. The story provides more evidence to PC users that there's a good reason to join the switcher movement to the Mac.

This amazing story continues to unfold. Microsoft officials gave the green light to Vista certification for an older Intel chipset with integrated graphics that wouldn't support Aero. According to reports, back in 2006, Intel decided that it might not be able to ramp up production for its 945 chipset (or ramp up its marketing program for the new chipset), the one that could run Vista, so it asked Redmond to grandfather in the older chipset. And it seems that lots of important people knew about this.

Beyond all the complaints online, the internal details have come to the light because of a lawsuit. Recently, the court released more than 150 pages of redacted memos from the companies. You can just click a random page or two and come up with something interesting (The pages in the PDF are images rather than text and that makes searching difficult.)

For example, the November 2005 list of "context" from Brad Goldberg, then general manger with Microsoft's Windows Client Product group (page 153). He said that customers didn't want "detailed documentation" on the capabilities of their machine to handle the important new features in Vista such as Aero Glass, Windows Defender and Flip3D.

Of course, these would be the very features that they would hype for the upgrade.

Really more to the point, sales persons at stores weren't capable in November 2006 or 2007 (or perhaps incapable maybe even today) of describing the features of Vista and why potential buyers would want them. I point to the continuing movement to remove Vista and give Windows users what they want, which is Windows XP.

•Customers may not have any context from phrases like "Aero Glass or Windows Defender or Slideshow." The average consumer would not know whether (s)he needs Aero Glass or Windows Defender or not. Retail sales person cannot explain what Aero Glass is or what it will do for them 4 to 6 months prior to [the] Vista launch.

•Today users buying tunerless MCE systems aren't calling us to complain that they can't watch live TV on their PCs.

•It's taking us [an] incredibly long time to explain to OEMs the benefits and value prop of each feature/scenario. How can we communicate this to an end-user in a document when [the] vast majority of customers can't understand what an OS does for them?

•I don not see any benefit of providing such a list to customers when they are in the store buying a PC, not an OS. Trying to "educate" customers about features of an OS that is not available may very well confuse them and cause them to delay their purchase — the exact opposite of what we want to see.

•Less than 5 percent of customers typically upgrade their OS. Let's not confuse the masses for the sake of providing clarity to "enthusiasts."

Based on the constant feedback from our partners to keep the messaging simple, I think the best thing is to say: "A Windows Vista capable PC will upgrade and run the equivalent version of Windows Vista."

I haven't read the full package of memos to know where Goldberg came down on the Intel chipset issue. But there's plenty of nonsense in this memo.

It's plain to see that Microsoft, Intel and PC makers really didn't care about customers and customer experience with the technology. Rather, the concern was about the buying experience. Once the machine was at home then a different quality of service group would handle the support call.

Certainly, Microsoft wasn't worried the "enthusiasts," the very users who would be the early adopters of Vista. In the Apple playbook, these influencers are the drivers of technology adoption and help out the marketing effort with word of mouth. But screw 'em, the memo says. Far better to avoid confusion of the dumb masses.

After all it's only 5 percent of our users. And where will they go?

Maybe just maybe, they will go the Macintosh. It's a machine that can run their old Windows programs as well as a wonderful, stable operating system with elegant programs. But then again, as the memo above said, "vast majority of customers can't understand what an OS does for them." Maybe it's time they did?

Perhaps Wintel customers will finally grow tired of reading evidence that they have been screwed by their technology providers and who continue to treat them poorly, at best.

For a bit of context, Mac OS X Leopard will run on a Mac with an Intel or PowerPC G5 processor or a PowerPC G4 with a 867MHz or faster processor; that has a DVD drive and 9GB of available disk space. The hardware spec says that the minimum memory requirement is 512MB, but this is unrealistic. However, almost all Mac users recognize this and have at least 1GB of RAM (and more is better).

And by many accounts, the Leopard interface feels peppier on the older machines.

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Topics: Intel, Apple, Hardware, Microsoft, Operating Systems, Processors, Software, Windows

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  • What's your vector Victor?

    Apple doesn't have a chance of moving into business class Windows/Linux territory unless they OEM OSX and open up their proprietary ways.

    Windows Server 2008 shares the same kernel as Vista SP1, but, interestingly 'retreats' from registry-based gui 'click next' configuration to a command-line interface 'Linux modular approach' where 'everything' is a file and systems can be built, incrementally, to suit a given purpose.

    With server management 'roles' a good Windows admin can configure a machine with no more and no less than what's needed. Make WS 2008 behave as a conservative Desktop PC up to a scalable multi-core scientific workstation or 'headless' web server.

    This is a significant step in the right direction for MS.

    Interesting article here for further reading:

    [url=http://port25.technet.com/archive/2008/02/27/opening-windows-server-2008.aspx]How open source has influenced Windows Server 2008.[/url]

    (Cough) Hit? ;)
    D T Schmitz
    • Well, Apple hardware is great. If money was no object, I would buy Apple

      Hardware and run Linux on it.

      But, they have a long ways to go with drivers if they want to support any old hardware with OSX. They also want to control the experience and make sure the combo of hardware and software is a good experience. With Vista, we have seen what can happen if there is a mis-match.

      Also, if Apple was smart, they would switch to the Linux kernel.
      DonnieBoy
      • ...

        [B]"
        Also, if Apple was smart, they would switch to the Linux kernel."[/B]

        I am a pretty hard core Linux user, but here I have to totally disagree on SOOO many levels!

        1. The FreeBSD / Mach kernel is far more secure and stable than the Linux Kernel.

        2. The GPL does not fit the model of Apple. Pure and simple, the BSD license fits.

        3. Who f***ing cares which Unix based kernel is being used? So long as it's Unix that's all that matters really!

        Fact is Linux is it's own entity and while I do appreciate Macintosh, I don't like how they hide a lot of things. Which is why I stick with Linux. Each has a purpose and a function, even that crap pile called Microsoft Windows has a purpose and function.]:)

        Personally *BSD is a damn sight better than Linux, only reason I don't run the *BSD's on my desktop is some hardware doesn't quite work right like it does with Linux. ]:)
        Linux User 147560
        • Well, can not disagree that BSD is better than Linux, BUT, Apple uses their

          own branch of BSD. That means that they have to write all of their own drivers, and inprove the kernel. It will be hard for the BSD groups or Apple (remember they are divided) to keep up with Linux in the long run. And, remember that Linux has a ton more drivers.

          Oh, and there would be no problem putting the Apple GUI on top of Linux, license-wise. Would save Apple a ton of money and make them more compatible with Linux.

          But, yes, BSD is the most secure.
          DonnieBoy
          • Strongly desagree

            in the drivers department Apple has far better support than Linux from any relevant hardware/device vendor. Just remember "plug&play" is trully a concept coined in Cupertino, and it works.
            As opposed to Linux users you dont see Apple users complaining about drivers not working. I dont see where you come from with "Linux has a ton more drivers".
            theo_durcan
          • Yes, the drivers that Apple does support, are very good. It is just that

            they ONLY support the hardware they sell. My comment was in reference to opening this up to OEMs, Apple does not support enough hardware.

            So, the only reason that Mac users do not complain about drivers is because the buy the OS pre-installed with the drivers installed.

            That said, Apple support for printers and the selection of the correct driver is second to none and much better than Windows.
            DonnieBoy
          • Not only printers, graphic, video & sound cards

            wathever is Avid, Media100, Motu, Digidesign (Protools), any profesional piece of equipment used on video or audio production, Wacom, you name it, just plug and it works, any DV profesional camera and gear comes with Firewire in/out, straight to/from FinalCut or other software.
            theo_durcan
          • Video card flashing...

            I have a video card in my supposedly closed-system G4 tower that Apple never used - the GeForce 6200. And though it's closely related to the 6600 and 6800 video cards, the fact of the matter is that it works very well. Same is true of Hackintosh systems running any number of cards that Apple never used.
            nix_hed
        • LOL - but let's examine:

          1. Probably.

          2. Apple fits Apple's model, which is screwing over the shallow with their pretty and glossy cases containing the same hardware and software people can get for far, far, far, FAR less.

          3. So all the IT media articles warning about Unix's being splintered harming the platform were false?!

          Like I said, LOL.
          HypnoToad
        • funny

          windows uses some BSD as well. hmm. And vista has been hands down certified as vastly more secure and more well constructed than Leopard by security experts. period.
          xuniL_z
      • Buy Applie to run linux?

        Why in the world would you want to do that? Intel cpu + intel chipset + nvidia graphics card + all other hardware basically the same as what you could buy in a PC or build yourself...so how is apple hardware better? Its not really apple hardware anymore anyway its just various components assembled together just like a Dell or HP (other than the fancy case).
        cornpie
        • But, other people do not have a CLUE about style. The all in one IMac with

          not even a power button on the front is really cool. The keyboard is thin, and has two USB ports, one used for the mouse. There is NOBODY that makes that nice of hardware. I know it is expensive, but, I still want one.
          DonnieBoy
          • LOL, Sorry Dude but the first thing that poped

            in to my mind when I read your post was "this guy needs to change his tag to DonnieGirl!" You reminded me of my Ex trying to justify buying a $600.00 purse.
            JustAnAboveAverageJoe
          • Come on, it is ok for men to like stylish things as well. It is also VERY

            nice when all of the little details have been attended to. And, you can call me DonnyGirl if you want, no offense taken.
            DonnieBoy
          • Just don't call me late for dinner!

            nt
            D T Schmitz
        • really

          if it isn't Apple anymore, why does their stuff get remarks like "the fastest most
          stable machine for running vista is a mac" from places like pcworld?

          better question, if it is all just pc stuff built by some company, why do people waste
          their time reviewing products.

          do you really think that this is some lego kit? the design and quality of a product
          still counts, even if it is using the same parts, and Apple consistently builds good
          stuff.

          that is not even considering the fact that i left linux because i tired of having to
          mess around under the hood 24/7 to make things run correctly. look if you are a
          hobby type, or you are a tech specialist, building your own hardware and running
          linux on it is a learning experience bar none. but some of us just want the damn
          machine to work. i don't build tools, i use them. the Apple OS is what linux
          promised me it would be. after a decade of waiting, i got the real thing.

          i upped my standards. up yours.
          shane_z
          • reheheally? UNG

            OSX is NOT GNU/Linux, with all due respect to your standards, of course. (cough)

            But MS Windows might become GNU/Linux-like at some point in the future.

            [url=http://it.slashdot.org/it/08/02/27/1425205.shtml]UNG[/url]

            Yours,
            _dietrich
            D T Schmitz
          • With all due respects..

            to your standards, OS X is UNIX. What makes Linux better?
            msalzberg
          • In twenty five words or less?...

            'Open'.
            D T Schmitz
          • @_dietrich...

            Seriously, please explain to be what 'open' will do for me.

            I've spent all of my computing time using proprietary OSs -
            from Microware to Microsoft, and many in between - and
            have yet to run into an issue that needed open source
            software, or an 'open' system, whatever that means.

            I've played with Linux, yet I need to run [b]applications[/b],
            not operating systems, and Linux doesn't have what I need.

            In my world, the Mac is the standard. On the project I'm
            working on now, we noticed the other day that there were
            15 Mac laptops, and two Windows machines in the room.
            None of these are company owned; they were all bought
            by the people using them. Where we have to use Windows,
            we get a single computer for each application required. I
            have four Windows machines running - control for an
            analog audio desk (plus backup machine), control for a
            digital audio desk, and control for a DSP device. My audio
            playback is run on Mac Minis (main and backup).

            I can't do any of this with Linux.
            msalzberg