Yes, based on Mac history, Windows 7.5 will suck less
Summary: No doubt, Windows 7 users will find that the latest update to the Microsoft client operating system sucks less than Vista. And so they should after all the time, effort and budget line items put into the fixes (and let's not forget the pain in the user base). One of Apple's latest ads counter by recalling past promises with of Redmond for a better experience, which reminds me of a time when a certain Mac OS also "sucked less."
No doubt, Windows 7 users will find that the latest update to the Microsoft client operating system sucks less than Vista. And so they should after all the time, effort and budget line items put into the fixes (and let's not forget the pain in the user base). One of Apple's latest ads counter by recalling past promises with of Redmond for a better experience, which reminds me of a time when a certain Mac OS also "sucked less."
However, I don't buy Redmond's "Lucky 7" version count.
In the Apple ad, the Windows 7 character transforms into the following previous versions: Windows Vista, Windows XP, Windows Me, Windows 95, Windows 2. This leaves Windows 1.0, which totals 7 versions.
I see the count differently than Apple or Microsoft: There can be no dispute until we head past flavors of Windows 3. Here's my list:
Windows 1: Shipped in 1985 and nobody cared. Windows 2: Shipped in 1987 and few cared. Windows 3: Came out in 1990 and PC users cared, especially with Windows 3.1 in 1992 (And I include here the introduction of Windows NT, which I believe was given a 3.x number.) Windows 4: Windows 95. Huge. The last DOS-based version. Windows 5: Windows 2000. The transition to the NT kernel. Windows 6: Windows XP. Still gotta love it. Window 7: Vista. Incorporated a number of Longhorn elements. Windows 7.5: What Microsoft is calling Windows 7.
In the Windows Vista Team blog, Mike Nash says that Windows 7 is called Version 7 for "simplicity."
The decision to use the name Windows 7 is about simplicity. Over the years, we have taken different approaches to naming Windows. We've used version numbers like Windows 3.11, or dates like Windows 98, or "aspirational" monikers like Windows XP or Windows Vista. And since we do not ship new versions of Windows every year, using a date did not make sense. Likewise, coming up with an all-new "aspirational" name does not do justice to what we are trying to achieve, which is to stay firmly rooted in our aspirations for Windows Vista, while evolving and refining the substantial investments in platform technology in Windows Vista into the next generation of Windows.
Simply put, this is the seventh release of Windows, so therefore "Windows 7" just makes sense.
It makes sense to you, Mike. To me and most Vista users, the update is mostly a big batch of fixes bundled with some new features and fixes to the interface outrages of Vista. So, this Windows 7 should be called Windows 7.5.
Version 7 reminds me of the problems faced by Apple and the Mac community with the transition to System 7 back in the early 1990s. FYI: in those days, it wasn't called Mac OS System 7 or Mac OS 7, or whatever; it was just plain System 7. It ran on Macs.
For developers, System 7 was a huge transition, similar to the later transition experienced moving from the Classic Mac OS to the Unix-based Mac OS X. It introduced support requirements for technologies or capabilities that today we would find almost unimaginable to be without:
- The version required a hard disk and needed more memory than the older System 6, which ran in 1MB of RAM (yes, that's "megabyte"). - Support for multitasking with Multifinder became mandatory for programs as was support for "32-bit clean" coding (now we're making the transition to 64-bit computing). Color support was also assumed and required by developers. - System extensions, or "inits" that let developers and users add low-level capabilites at boot time. - Full implementation of a drag-and-drop interface. - Aliases for files, directories, disk volumes, printers and network shares. - File sharing, which was done over an AppleTalk network. - Apple Events and their scripting language, AppleScript, were introduced.
Users found that performance with older hardware suffered. It was a tough time. In a January 1993 special report in MacWEEK, more than a year after release, less than half of machines at subscriber sites had upgraded. Software compatibility was still an issue and hardware upgrade costs constrained adoption. A "Pro" version, System 7.1 wasn't well received.
In the summer of 1994, Apple engineers prepped a major fix. At the Macworld Expo in Boston, I remember walking down the hallway to an Apple insider developer party in a hotel. It was ad hoc, not funded by marketing; a few bowls of potato chips. Yet, like almost everything at Apple then, there was a t-shirt for the event.
It read "System 7.5 sucks less" and "We've upped our standards -- up yours." This was pointed jab at third-party developers. Ouch. Still, a bit defensive.
And Version 7.5 was better. It did suck less, a lot less. You can see front and back photos of the shirt in Uninorth's photostream on Flickr.
My guess is that Windows 7 will suck less. Or maybe, Apple is right, we will have to wait for Windows 7.5. Whatever, I'm still staying with Windows XP on my MacBook Pro. The price is right.
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Ummmm...
Windows 1: Shipped in 1985 and nobody cared.
Windows 2: Shipped in 1987 and few cared.
Windows 3: Came out in 1990 and PC users cared, especially with Windows 3.1 in 1992 (And I include here the introduction of Windows NT, which I believe was given a 3.x number.)
Windows 4: Windows 95. Huge. The last DOS-based version.
Windows 5: Windows 2000. The transition to the NT kernel.
Windows 6: Windows XP. Still gotta love it.
Window 7: Vista. Incorporated a number of Longhorn elements.
Windows 7.5: What Microsoft is calling Windows 7."
Windows 98 anyone... ?
Also, ME was based on DOS, as was 98. So 95 was the [i]third[/i]-to-last version of Windows to use DOS.
Seriously, I'm assuming you are being payed to write this so maybe you should, like, pay attention.
Morgenstern
Note that he says he's going to stick with XP. That indicates to me that he has had little experience with and knowledge of Vista.
His job at ZDNet is to act the "bad cop" to Jason O'Grady's "good cop", and to be an unabashed Apple booster. At least Jason is more open-minded about non-Apple hardware and software, including Windows.
Are you kidding me?
Note that he says he's going to stick with XP. That indicates to me that he has had little experience with and knowledge of Vista.[/b]
Seriously? Dude, [b][u]VISTA BLOWS![/u][/b] It is crapware on a massive scale, it was an epic fail for Microsoft. I'm saying this USING Vista SP2 on my two year old HP Pavilion laptop that came with Vista pre-installed. I have plenty of knowledge and experience with Vista and in my experience running the same laptop with Vista Home Premium sucks.
I ran Vista for about 4 months, ripped that crap out and ran XP Home for over a year, then bought into the whole "Vista SP2 is so much better, it fixed a lot of the slowdowns and memory leaks" line, and so I reinstalled and updated Vista - yeah, it still f'ing blows. And my laptop is a dual core Athlon X2 1.6/1.6GHz processor and running 2GB ram which should be plenty to run Vista...NOT! It did run XP very nicely. And the only reason I'm not going to take the time and rip out the crapware once again and put XP back on the laptop is because I have Windows 7 being shipped to me.
Dude! Seriously!
You didn't say what your graphics subsystem is on your notebook. But have you considered that perhaps it, along with your processor, are just a bit on the marginal side for Vista? I'll tell you right now that if your graphics chipset has less than 128MB RAM, it's gonna suck some of the 2GB of system RAM up for its own use, whether you have Aero running or not.
If you truly believe that Vista is crap, then you're likely not going to be particularly impressed with Win7. It does run lighter than Vista, but remember that the hardware requirements are *identical* for both OSes.
Better for you to put XP Home back on your notebook, sell it, and get a faster one with better graphics and up to 4GB RAM. Trust me on that.
problems with OEM
That is one thing mac did excellent with, give you a couple core things for free to do basic things off the bat. Most users don't venture to far from the path of what they already have so they don't see how a machine with 50 crap programs installed that are always in the background running are the fault for the performance.
You stick with Windows XP you obviously don't have any love for the OS you need for something most likely business oriented. A VM running on a mac is like trying to make a model boat inside a bottle. its much easier without the damn bottle(OSX) no matter what OS you run on it. Maybe Fusion 3.0 is better, it still crashes for my users but hey, someday.
If Dell,IBM, and HP just went the base OS and driver route you would see a different story.
RE problems with OEM
Lenovo Makes a great laptop. It was only 380 bucks at Microcenter two years ago, plus 40 dollars for ram.
The secret to having luck with Vista is, Knowing what not to try running it on. For instance if you have a 1.6 gig AMD don't go there. My T7100 core2 duo Latitude ran Vista and now runs 7 perfectly. With two gigs of ram. But that's about the minimum laptop specs for vista. Regardless of what Microsoft says.
Re: Problems with OEM
7 and Vista are similar
That guy is making stuff up or deluded.
Only one little problem...
every vendor feels it's there duty to give you 90 day trials of bloated AV
apps, crap programs like free MS Works when Open Office is a full free
suite.[/i]
The problem with that is price. Without all those trial programs the cost
of a typical windows pc would go up.Are you willing to pay 30% more for
a pc? I am sure there are those on here that are willing to, but Joe
consumer only think about price. Today we live in a world of people that
seek out the lowest cost, preferring disposable products. Look at all the
disposable items we now have, razors, cameras, cellphones, etc.
yea I don't know what your problem was...
GeforceMX (I don't even think that card had
pixel shaders) And it ran fine without Aero
running. Granted it was a little slower than
XP, just like XP was slower than '98. When XP
first came out the big complaint was that it
was sooo slow, and it is when you run it on a
pentium 2 with 128mb of ram, but '98 will
scream on that machine. The fact that windows 7
runs almost as fast on an XP spec machine is
unprecedented in Windows history. And the fact
that you don't realize that speaks volumes to
your obvious bias. I've run Vista since it's
release with the ONLY problem being driver
compatibility in it's early days. I've
installed it on many systems, some with a
system spec below the recommended
specifications. I'm baffled by so many people
insisting on it being crap, I've NEVER experienced it in all my time using it on many
different systems. I feel its more likely it's
a result of a bias that existed before it's
use. It happens all the time in politics,
people will like something MORE or LESS often
depending on when they hear BEFORE regardless
of their experience with the product (or
person), this phenomenon has been corroborated
through many studies from HDTVs to wine and I
believe its the case with Vista.
Interesting
I ran Vista on those both machines and it was fine. The only exception was with gaming in the early days, and that was caused by lousy drivers from both Nvidia and AMD.
Virtually all benchmarks show that Vista is faster than XP.
Vista ain't perfect and 7 is better, but I'll take Vista over XP. I don't hate XP. I've used it for 8 years and still use it on one of my work machines, but I prefer Vista.
Seriously, it disturbs me that your 2 year old machine is not capable of running vista with 2GB of ram. Then again, if you have an Intel integrated graphics solution, then that's your problem.
Some common sense...
98/98SE/Me are Windows 95.3/95.5/95.6
His error is with Windows XP. XP is Windows 2000.5, hence Windows 5.5
Windows Vista is Windows 6, so Windows 7 is actually Windows 6.5
Minor correction
type ver at the command prompt.
HA!
windows 7 is and it's right there when you type
version. My Vista says 6.0.6002... hehehe that is
sooo funny.
It shouldn't even be
It doesn't matter what the code base is...
Inncorrect versioning.
Windows 2000 is not the transition to the NT kernel. The 16-bit versions of Windows: 1.0, Win286, Win386, Win 3.1, Win95, Win98, WinME were all 16-bit versions built on Dos. Starting with WinNT 3.1, is where the NT kernel was introduced. NT's versions are: Win NT 3.1, 3.5, 3.51,4.0, Win2000, WinXP, Vista, and Win 7.
The 16-bit versions were along side the 32-bit versions until they ceased with Windows XP, at which point 16-bit version were deprecated.
Windows NT 3.1 was released July 1993.
The 16-bit versions of Windows have a completely separate code base. The 32-bit versions of Windows were built from the ground up.
RE: Yes, based on Mac history, Windows 7.5 will suck less
Personally, I love Vista. Of course, I do like to write WPF and multi-touch applications for it. I like a lot of the features of Windows 7, except the new "Super" bar.
RE: Yes, based on Mac history, Windows 7.5 will suck less
RE: Yes, based on Mac history, Windows 7.5 will suck less