Yes, based on Mac history, Windows 7.5 will suck less

Summary: No doubt, Windows 7 users will find that the latest update to the Microsoft client operating system sucks less than Vista. And so they should after all the time, effort and budget line items put into the fixes (and let's not forget the pain in the user base). One of Apple's latest ads counter by recalling past promises with of Redmond for a better experience, which reminds me of a time when a certain Mac OS also "sucked less."

No doubt, Windows 7 users will find that the latest update to the Microsoft client operating system sucks less than Vista. And so they should after all the time, effort and budget line items put into the fixes (and let's not forget the pain in the user base). One of Apple's latest ads counter by recalling past promises with of Redmond for a better experience, which reminds me of a time when a certain Mac OS also "sucked less."

However, I don't buy Redmond's "Lucky 7" version count.

In the Apple ad, the Windows 7 character transforms into the following previous versions: Windows Vista, Windows XP, Windows Me, Windows 95, Windows 2. This leaves Windows 1.0, which totals 7 versions.

I see the count differently than Apple or Microsoft: There can be no dispute until we head past flavors of Windows 3. Here's my list:

Windows 1: Shipped in 1985 and nobody cared. Windows 2: Shipped in 1987 and few cared. Windows 3: Came out in 1990 and PC users cared, especially with Windows 3.1 in 1992 (And I include here the introduction of Windows NT, which I believe was given a 3.x number.) Windows 4: Windows 95. Huge. The last DOS-based version. Windows 5: Windows 2000. The transition to the NT kernel. Windows 6: Windows XP. Still gotta love it. Window 7: Vista. Incorporated a number of Longhorn elements. Windows 7.5: What Microsoft is calling Windows 7.

In the Windows Vista Team blog, Mike Nash says that Windows 7 is called Version 7 for "simplicity."

The decision to use the name Windows 7 is about simplicity. Over the years, we have taken different approaches to naming Windows.  We've used version numbers like Windows 3.11, or dates like Windows 98, or "aspirational" monikers like Windows XP or Windows Vista.  And since we do not ship new versions of Windows every year, using a date did not make sense.  Likewise, coming up with an all-new "aspirational" name does not do justice to what we are trying to achieve, which is to stay firmly rooted in our aspirations for Windows Vista, while evolving and refining the substantial investments in platform technology in Windows Vista into the next generation of Windows.

Simply put, this is the seventh release of Windows, so therefore "Windows 7" just makes sense.

It makes sense to you, Mike. To me and most Vista users, the update is mostly a big batch of fixes bundled with some new features and fixes to the interface outrages of Vista. So, this Windows 7 should be called Windows 7.5.

Version 7 reminds me of the problems faced by Apple and the Mac community with the transition to System 7 back in the early 1990s. FYI: in those days, it wasn't called Mac OS System 7 or Mac OS 7, or whatever; it was just plain System 7. It ran on Macs.

For developers, System 7 was a huge transition, similar to the later transition experienced moving from the Classic Mac OS to the Unix-based Mac OS X. It introduced support requirements for technologies or capabilities that today we would find almost unimaginable to be without:

- The version required a hard disk and needed more memory than the older System 6, which ran in 1MB of RAM (yes, that's "megabyte"). - Support for multitasking with Multifinder became mandatory for programs as was support for "32-bit clean" coding (now we're making the transition to 64-bit computing). Color support was also assumed and required by developers. - System extensions, or "inits" that let developers and users add low-level capabilites at boot time. - Full implementation of a drag-and-drop interface. - Aliases for files, directories, disk volumes, printers and network shares. - File sharing, which was done over an AppleTalk network. - Apple Events and their scripting language, AppleScript, were introduced.

Users found that performance with older hardware suffered. It was a tough time. In a January 1993 special report in MacWEEK, more than a year after release, less than half of machines at subscriber sites had upgraded. Software compatibility was still an issue and hardware upgrade costs constrained adoption. A "Pro" version, System 7.1 wasn't well received.

In the summer of 1994, Apple engineers prepped a major fix. At the Macworld Expo in Boston, I remember walking down the hallway to an Apple insider developer party in a hotel. It was ad hoc, not funded by marketing; a few bowls of potato chips. Yet, like almost everything at Apple then, there was a t-shirt for the event.

It read "System 7.5 sucks less" and "We've upped our standards -- up yours." This was pointed jab at third-party developers. Ouch. Still, a bit defensive.

And Version 7.5 was better. It did suck less, a lot less. You can see front and back photos of the shirt in Uninorth's photostream on Flickr.

My guess is that Windows 7 will suck less. Or maybe, Apple is right, we will have to wait for Windows 7.5. Whatever, I'm still staying with Windows XP on my MacBook Pro. The price is right.

Topics: Software, Apple, Hardware, Microsoft, Operating Systems, Windows

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  • Ummmm...

    "
    Windows 1: Shipped in 1985 and nobody cared.
    Windows 2: Shipped in 1987 and few cared.
    Windows 3: Came out in 1990 and PC users cared, especially with Windows 3.1 in 1992 (And I include here the introduction of Windows NT, which I believe was given a 3.x number.)
    Windows 4: Windows 95. Huge. The last DOS-based version.
    Windows 5: Windows 2000. The transition to the NT kernel.
    Windows 6: Windows XP. Still gotta love it.
    Window 7: Vista. Incorporated a number of Longhorn elements.
    Windows 7.5: What Microsoft is calling Windows 7."

    Windows 98 anyone... ?

    Also, ME was based on DOS, as was 98. So 95 was the [i]third[/i]-to-last version of Windows to use DOS.

    Seriously, I'm assuming you are being payed to write this so maybe you should, like, pay attention.
    elmonstro
    • Morgenstern

      You have to remember that David is an uber-Macaddict who has the Jobs RDF Kool-Aid on an IV drip. This tends to explain the holes in his Windows history, and perhaps some of the ones that have eaten through his head.

      Note that he says he's going to stick with XP. That indicates to me that he has had little experience with and knowledge of Vista.

      His job at ZDNet is to act the "bad cop" to Jason O'Grady's "good cop", and to be an unabashed Apple booster. At least Jason is more open-minded about non-Apple hardware and software, including Windows.
      M.R. Kennedy
      • Are you kidding me?

        [b]
        Note that he says he's going to stick with XP. That indicates to me that he has had little experience with and knowledge of Vista.[/b]

        Seriously? Dude, [b][u]VISTA BLOWS![/u][/b] It is crapware on a massive scale, it was an epic fail for Microsoft. I'm saying this USING Vista SP2 on my two year old HP Pavilion laptop that came with Vista pre-installed. I have plenty of knowledge and experience with Vista and in my experience running the same laptop with Vista Home Premium sucks.

        I ran Vista for about 4 months, ripped that crap out and ran XP Home for over a year, then bought into the whole "Vista SP2 is so much better, it fixed a lot of the slowdowns and memory leaks" line, and so I reinstalled and updated Vista - yeah, it still f'ing blows. And my laptop is a dual core Athlon X2 1.6/1.6GHz processor and running 2GB ram which should be plenty to run Vista...NOT! It did run XP very nicely. And the only reason I'm not going to take the time and rip out the crapware once again and put XP back on the laptop is because I have Windows 7 being shipped to me.
        athynz
        • Dude! Seriously!

          I respectfully beg to disagree with you. Vista SP2 does *not* blow, nor does it suck. It's actually quite a good OS. The 32-bit version was quite speedy on my C2D E6600 (2.4Ghz) system when it had 2GB SDRAM. The 64-bit Ultimate installation screams on the same machine with 8GB SDRAM.

          You didn't say what your graphics subsystem is on your notebook. But have you considered that perhaps it, along with your processor, are just a bit on the marginal side for Vista? I'll tell you right now that if your graphics chipset has less than 128MB RAM, it's gonna suck some of the 2GB of system RAM up for its own use, whether you have Aero running or not.

          If you truly believe that Vista is crap, then you're likely not going to be particularly impressed with Win7. It does run lighter than Vista, but remember that the hardware requirements are *identical* for both OSes.

          Better for you to put XP Home back on your notebook, sell it, and get a faster one with better graphics and up to 4GB RAM. Trust me on that.
          M.R. Kennedy
          • problems with OEM

            I think your experience depends on how you end up with your windows OS. Every person I know that doesn't remove all the bloated crapware that each hardware vendor shoves down your throat seem to have an issue with Vista. Vista is a nice clean OS if that's how you installed it. Unfortunately every vendor feels it's there duty to give you 90 day trials of bloated AV apps, crap programs like free MS Works when Open Office is a full free suite. They should take a hint from Ubuntu which bundle stuff you may need that is free and full. I am perfectly in love with Windows 7 as it improved the interface with the start bar stickies and the indexing works better than vista and I really do believe without the stupid start bars or bloated Musicmatch players they could be better of with just a base.

            That is one thing mac did excellent with, give you a couple core things for free to do basic things off the bat. Most users don't venture to far from the path of what they already have so they don't see how a machine with 50 crap programs installed that are always in the background running are the fault for the performance.

            You stick with Windows XP you obviously don't have any love for the OS you need for something most likely business oriented. A VM running on a mac is like trying to make a model boat inside a bottle. its much easier without the damn bottle(OSX) no matter what OS you run on it. Maybe Fusion 3.0 is better, it still crashes for my users but hey, someday.

            If Dell,IBM, and HP just went the base OS and driver route you would see a different story.
            Willtur
          • RE problems with OEM

            IBM Doesn't make PC's now, They sold their PC manufacturing division to Lenovo. My wife has one and it was pretty clean right out of the box. But it came with a Celeron processor. So I put XP pro on it and bumped up the ram from 1 to 3 gigs. But I'm putting Windows 7 on.
            Lenovo Makes a great laptop. It was only 380 bucks at Microcenter two years ago, plus 40 dollars for ram.
            The secret to having luck with Vista is, Knowing what not to try running it on. For instance if you have a 1.6 gig AMD don't go there. My T7100 core2 duo Latitude ran Vista and now runs 7 perfectly. With two gigs of ram. But that's about the minimum laptop specs for vista. Regardless of what Microsoft says.
            j-mccurdy@...
          • Re: Problems with OEM

            Lenovo Computers are Great. I bought a 3000 G530 for 439 dollars, plus we have a desktop, no problems, except for the screen brightness, which cant be changed under windows 7.
            cybeastfalzar99@...
          • 7 and Vista are similar

            On a Vista 64 (fully updated)laptop (Turion RM-72) with 4 gigs of Ram, there is little transition between 7 and Vista. The only reason I did was I ended up getting a free copy of 7. Vista64 was great, in a year of use, no hassles, no slowdown. My family barely mentioned the change from XP to Vista as far as the interface was concerned.

            That guy is making stuff up or deluded.
            stano360
          • Only one little problem...

            [i]Vista is a nice clean OS if that's how you installed it. Unfortunately
            every vendor feels it's there duty to give you 90 day trials of bloated AV
            apps, crap programs like free MS Works when Open Office is a full free
            suite.[/i]

            The problem with that is price. Without all those trial programs the cost
            of a typical windows pc would go up.Are you willing to pay 30% more for
            a pc? I am sure there are those on here that are willing to, but Joe
            consumer only think about price. Today we live in a world of people that
            seek out the lowest cost, preferring disposable products. Look at all the
            disposable items we now have, razors, cameras, cellphones, etc.
            Rick_K
        • yea I don't know what your problem was...

          but I've run Vista on a P4 with 512mb ram and a
          GeforceMX (I don't even think that card had
          pixel shaders) And it ran fine without Aero
          running. Granted it was a little slower than
          XP, just like XP was slower than '98. When XP
          first came out the big complaint was that it
          was sooo slow, and it is when you run it on a
          pentium 2 with 128mb of ram, but '98 will
          scream on that machine. The fact that windows 7
          runs almost as fast on an XP spec machine is
          unprecedented in Windows history. And the fact
          that you don't realize that speaks volumes to
          your obvious bias. I've run Vista since it's
          release with the ONLY problem being driver
          compatibility in it's early days. I've
          installed it on many systems, some with a
          system spec below the recommended
          specifications. I'm baffled by so many people
          insisting on it being crap, I've NEVER experienced it in all my time using it on many
          different systems. I feel its more likely it's
          a result of a bias that existed before it's
          use. It happens all the time in politics,
          people will like something MORE or LESS often
          depending on when they hear BEFORE regardless
          of their experience with the product (or
          person), this phenomenon has been corroborated
          through many studies from HDTVs to wine and I
          believe its the case with Vista.
          shadfurman
        • Interesting

          So does that mean your 2 year old PC is worse than my 3 year old pc (or even my 4 year old retired Athlon 64 3000+)?

          I ran Vista on those both machines and it was fine. The only exception was with gaming in the early days, and that was caused by lousy drivers from both Nvidia and AMD.

          Virtually all benchmarks show that Vista is faster than XP.

          Vista ain't perfect and 7 is better, but I'll take Vista over XP. I don't hate XP. I've used it for 8 years and still use it on one of my work machines, but I prefer Vista.

          Seriously, it disturbs me that your 2 year old machine is not capable of running vista with 2GB of ram. Then again, if you have an Intel integrated graphics solution, then that's your problem.
          notsofast
    • Some common sense...

      He's talking about the MAIN versions of Windows.

      98/98SE/Me are Windows 95.3/95.5/95.6

      His error is with Windows XP. XP is Windows 2000.5, hence Windows 5.5

      Windows Vista is Windows 6, so Windows 7 is actually Windows 6.5
      JaySee5
      • Minor correction

        Windows 7 is actually windows 6.1

        type ver at the command prompt.
        Spikey_Mike
        • HA!

          Thats awesome! A whole article about what version
          windows 7 is and it's right there when you type
          version. My Vista says 6.0.6002... hehehe that is
          sooo funny.
          shadfurman
    • It shouldn't even be

      mentioning 3 through 95 in the first place. Those were DOS based. He should have focused along the NT line where everything is now. Two different animals.
      Erroneous
      • It doesn't matter what the code base is...

        Architectures change all the time
        shadfurman
    • Inncorrect versioning.

      Your list is completely wrong.

      Windows 2000 is not the transition to the NT kernel. The 16-bit versions of Windows: 1.0, Win286, Win386, Win 3.1, Win95, Win98, WinME were all 16-bit versions built on Dos. Starting with WinNT 3.1, is where the NT kernel was introduced. NT's versions are: Win NT 3.1, 3.5, 3.51,4.0, Win2000, WinXP, Vista, and Win 7.

      The 16-bit versions were along side the 32-bit versions until they ceased with Windows XP, at which point 16-bit version were deprecated.

      Windows NT 3.1 was released July 1993.

      The 16-bit versions of Windows have a completely separate code base. The 32-bit versions of Windows were built from the ground up.
      ChrisMSDev
  • RE: Yes, based on Mac history, Windows 7.5 will suck less

    Windows 7 is just a name. The actual version is 6.1 (Vista was 6.0).

    Personally, I love Vista. Of course, I do like to write WPF and multi-touch applications for it. I like a lot of the features of Windows 7, except the new "Super" bar.
    roteague
    • RE: Yes, based on Mac history, Windows 7.5 will suck less

      Actually, it identifies as [b]Vista[/b] 6.1 in the RC
      mv520
  • RE: Yes, based on Mac history, Windows 7.5 will suck less

    I doubt that he intended to list every version, if so, he missed Windows 2.1, Windows 286, Windows 386, Windows NT 3.5, NT 3.51, NT 4.0, among others .....
    roteague