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A deeper dive into Windows 8: can Microsoft's big bet pay off?

By | October 20, 2011, 3:00am PDT

Summary: Windows 8 is, without a doubt, the most controversial Windows version the company has ever designed. After a month of using and dissecting the Windows Developer Preview, I offer a deeper look at what’s inside and some predictions about what you can expect in the future.

Microsoft released its first preliminary version of Windows 8 roughly a month ago. It’s somewhat raw, definitely incomplete, and absolutely the most controversial Windows version the company has ever considered releasing.

There’s no question that this is a thoughtfully designed, thoroughly engineered release. If you had any doubts, just read through the Building Windows 8 blog, where Windows boss Steven Sinofsky and a parade of program managers have published one epic post after another explaining the history, evolution, and design philosophy that went into every new feature in Windows 8. As of today, that blog is up to 30 posts (at least one of which was more than 8800 words in length) and has inspired more than 8,000 comments.

I’ve heard senior execs call this the biggest bet Microsoft has ever made. There’s no question it’s the biggest change since Windows 95.

I’ve talked in private to Microsoft employees who are split on the wisdom of the new operating system’s radical reimaging. Many think it’s brilliant, others are skeptical, a few are convinced it’s a disastrous wrong turn. Customers and Windows users I talk to are split along roughly the same lines.

Making a change of this magnitude to a product that is 25 years old, has a billion customers, and is still growing? That takes guts and a willingness to alienate some customers in the interest of building a platform that can last another 25 years.

All the explanations, all the comments, all the criticisms are interesting. They’re also mostly a sideshow. The Windows 8 engineering juggernaut is rolling along at full speed, and while the feedback will certainly inspire some minor tweaks in the coming months, it’s not going to cause a great rethinking of the great reimagining.

What I find most interesting about the Windows 8 discussion so far is how little of it is based on personal experience. Now that I’ve had a chance to use and dissect the Windows Developer Preview for the past month, I want to offer a deeper look at what’s inside and some predictions about what you can expect in the future.

This deeper dive is divided into four parts:

Page 2: The misunderstood Start screen
No, it’s not the “Metro shell.” It’s a full-screen replacement for the familiar Start menu. Brilliant idea or a bridge too far?

Page 3: What’s next for the Windows desktop?
There are virtually no “immersive,” Metro style apps for the Windows Developer Preview, which means anyone testing this pre-release is going to spend time in an environment that looks an awful lot like Windows 7. So what’s new? And what can we expect to change?

Page 4: To touch or not to touch?
This is the one complaint I’ve heard above all others. Do people really want touchscreens? Will they use them? I share my personal experience with three touch-enabled form factors.

Page 5: Security and reliability
Yeah, I know. Microsoft claims every version of Windows is more secure than the previous one. Windows 8 is no exception, but it pushes some boundaries with new features that have already inspired controversy.

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Ed Bott is an award-winning technology writer with more than two decades' experience writing for mainstream media outlets and online publications.

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Since 1994, Ed has written more than 25 books about Microsoft Windows and Office. Along with various co-authors, Ed is completely responsible for the content of the books he writes. As a key part of his contractual relationship with publishers, he gives them permission to print and distribute the content he writes and to pay him a royalty based on the actual sales of those books. Ed's books written prior to fall 2011 have been distributed by Que Publishing (a division of Pearson Education) and by Microsoft Press. As of November 2011, Ed is a partner in the independent publishing company Fair Trade Digital Exchange, which exclusively publishes his books.

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Ed Bott is an award-winning technology writer with more than two decades' experience writing for mainstream media outlets and online publications. He's served as editor of the U.S. edition of PC Computing and managing editor of PC World; both publications had monthly paid circulation in excess of 1 million during his tenure. He is the author of more than 25 books on Microsoft Windows and Office, including the recently released Windows 7 Inside Out.

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mikifinaz1@... 7th Apr
Go get a smart (stupid) phone or a "cr#p" pad.
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It is true Ed. Microsoft will continue to walk a narrow line
Dietrich T. Schmitz * Your Linux Advocate 20th Oct
I don't have any concerns about UEFI and believe that MS are trying to make their products simply safer.

No amount of speculation will change the fact that we will have to watch the story and see what OEMs actually do.

It makes no sense to me that OEMs would disable users ability to turn off UEFI.

Here's hoping common sense prevails.
Everybody, deep breaths please.
@Dietrich T. Schmitz * Your Linux Advocate

Did you know that Linux OS has supported UEFI from the beginning?
Did you know that UEFI was developed by using Linux OS?
Most technical new features are developed using Linux as work bench as you can download whole OS source code from kernel.org and you get thousands of talented OS hackers as consultants by choosing Linux OS.

The problem is not the UEFI or it being enabled or disabled. That is just pure Microsoft fans FUD.

The question is, will Microsoft deny or any way even suggest to motherboard/OEM manufacturers that they do not allow user or Open Source community to get the signing keys so they can actually sign Linux and GRUB to use UEFI as enabled.

The ball is on them and Microsoft does everything as possible to keep their market share and their share holders happy. Only naive person would deny that.

And OEM's will block users to disable the UEFI if MS just.... uh... suggest strong enough.... There are orders what you do not need to write down, you do not need to use the words or even say anything. People get the point even when more powerfull man in the room give a look or stays silent.

And there is nothing what can be draw from those situations in court rooms as nothing technically happened.

Microsoft has very bad history being a criminal corporation. If Microsoft would be a person, the criminal history would include dozens of prison times, continued criminal behavior, blackmailing, court evidence forgery, tax avoids, hiring hitmans, collecting protection money, smear campaigns, false client educations, propaganda, bribery of officials and business mans.... The list is heavy and loooooong.

And after 35 years of criminal behavior, would you believe that such person turns suddenly a good one when comes to faith?
Would you leave your kids to him? Would you suggest him to your friends as new worker? Would you loan money to him?

Microsoft actions are in list so heavy and list is so long that people do not want to believe it would be truth. But the funny thing is, the truth of the Microsoft is so much better than lies of it.

Microsoft has tried to make their products safer since 1990 what has been the results? I am happy from direction what Windows Vista started, as Microsoft really did learn something from Unix world.

But this UEFI, there really ain't such need for that feature now. The 99.99% of the malware is not targeted to operating system, bootloader OR firmware. The 0.01% (actually even more less) of the malware is for targeted to them. Why? Beause the operating system protects itself already well enough.
Operating system does not allow any malicious code to modify it without permit. Microsoft did not have great or at least good enough permission control in NT before 6.0 and definitely nothing on DOS (from PC-DOS to Windows ME), features what Unix and Unix-clone operating systems have had from the beginning since 1960's as they were designed from scratch to work in multiuser environment where data is transferred and there are multilevel permission levels for users.

Now there is again possibility for Microsoft to use this as advantage. It needs to be very carefully how it does it and when it does it as antitrust officials are watching but even then, Microsoft does not have near such danger what it had over year ago when it still was on watch list of officials and they had direct position to take actions against Microsoft. Now that possibility has gone since the Microsoft's longest parole has ended.

And there is even today a such twisted situation on markets when Microsoft (or anyone) is allowed to preinstall or bundle software system to prebuild OEM PC's unless they have by themself build the PC.
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Rabid Howler Monkey Updated - 20th Oct
@Fri13 The malware has infected the Master Boot Record on all currently-supported Windows versions including the latest and greatest, 64-bit Windows 7.
@Fri13

If you think Microsoft feels even remotely threatened by Linux on the Desktop you are delusional.
@Fri13

"The question is, will Microsoft deny or any way even suggest to motherboard/OEM manufacturers that they do not allow user or Open Source community to get the signing keys so they can actually sign Linux and GRUB to use UEFI as enabled."

This may be one of the more ignorant viewpoints I've seen on this subject. Why exactly, would you have a key at all if you allowed people to "get to the signing keys".

10 years ago: Windows is too insecure.
Today: Windows is too secure.

We get it. You don't like Windows. This 'debate' about secure boot is asinine. Malware has always been and continues to be a bigger threat to Windows than Linux.

Move on.

P.S @Dietrich Your constructive commentary over the last few months has made you a much bigger advocate for Linux in my eyes.
@andrewjg +1 - Linux has grown to a level of such insignificance in the home user arena that Microsoft removed them from their SEC filings this year as a competitor. IOS and Android made the cut, of course.
@Fri13 Does any of this comment have any relevance? It's really a waste of space.
@Fri13

I suppose that Microsoft employee kill and eat kittens too, right?
@Fri13 the flaw of windows is that every app requires admin to install. You basically allow apps to get their foot in the door. I installed win8. Ie crashes continuously. Time to put linux back on that spare box.
@Fri13 Thank you for being our REAL Linux advocate.
@Rich Miles
>This may be one of the more ignorant viewpoints I've
>seen on this subject.

That's quite a complement to the ZDNet community, as there's nothing ignorant about this comment at all.

>Why exactly, would you have a key at all if you allowed
>people to "get to the signing keys".

You don't understand the intent at all, if you're suggesting that "the people" (the users) are the culprit to be blocked. The users would be allowed to change the public keys to protect *their own choice of operating system*, which is the whole crux of the issue. Canonical can sign Ubuntu with their key, Attachmate can sign SLED, SLES and OpenSUSE, Red Hat can sign RHEL and Fedora, etc. If people can't change the key, the machine is locked into only running Microsoft software forever. Given that virtually all systems sold today not made by Apple, both desktop and laptop, come with Windows preinstalled, to see why not allowing users to change the key creates a problem?

>10 years ago: Windows is too insecure.
>Today: Windows is too secure.

Please don't start acting like Microsoft or Mr. Bott (who before his recent article on this subject I always considered a fair and straight shooter) and bat your eyelashes and say "You want malware on Windows?" with a big smirk on your face. We're smarter than that.

It's like you own property upstream of me along a river and decide to dam the river to irrigate your crops. Meanwhile, with the river cut off downstream my cattle are dying of dehydration. When I complain about your actions, you come back with, "What? Are you saying you want my crops to fail?"

No, I don't want Windows to be insecure. But I don't want it secured with a sledgehammer approach that cripples other products' ability to compete ("Hey Linux is free! You just, um, need to buy a whole new PC and built it yourself first.")

Microsoft is *creating a problem*, just like when my former neighbor decided to improve his security by installing a motion-sensing double floodlight on the side of his house... with one of the floodlights seemingly aimed directly at my bedroom window. When your solution creates a problem for other people, it's your responsibility to adjust your solution to stop causing other people the problem - just as the onus on my neighbor was to adjust his floodlight, not on me to put shutters on my window to block out a spotlight waking me up when my neighbor comes home at 1AM.

There exists a simple solution to this: require that users can deactivate it or at least add their own keys (preferably both). Microsoft had to know this, but chose not to. That, combined with the eyelash batting and smirking responses, and Mr. Bott's suggestion that to NOT cause a problem for competition would be a violation of antitrust but to cause the problem in the first place wasn't, has risen this issue to the level of farce and is rapidly eroding any goodwill and benefit of the doubt extended to Microsoft thus far. Their bizarre replies (all the while being careful not to mention Linux by name) are akin to a state government stating that they've made the aerial spraying of hazardous anti-mosquito pesticides over towns mandatory, but feel the only right thing is to leave it up to the towns themselves to decide how, or if, they handle citizen notification, evacuation, distribution of gas masks, etc.

>We get it. You don't like Windows.

You're projecting. Your inability, unlike A K-H's article, to say "The blocking of other OSes, even if I don't personally use them, is a bad thing and we should all work to make sure it doesn't happen" demonstrates your own viewing of this issue through an "us vs. them" prism.

>This 'debate' about secure boot is asinine.

That's the one thing we can agree on.

>Malware has always been and continues to be a bigger >threat to Windows than Linux.

That doesn't give Microsoft permission to cause serious problems for the Linux community - problems that could have, but weren't, avoided, and nothing but playing coy in response rather than working on mutually beneficial solutions.

>Move on.

Not until the ability of alternate OSes to boot on PC hardware is guaranteed. The day Mac hardware becomes more open than PC hardware is a disturbing future to contemplate.


P.S @Dietrich Your constructive commentary over the last few months has made you a much bigger advocate for Linux in my eyes.
@Fri13 Linux is not a major player in the desktop arena. It makes sense for servers and it also makes sense for *nix developers, but it's not even an also ran on the desktop of consumers or typical business users.
@Fri13
So you own a Mac and follow APPL like a mindless drone. Point made and point heard. Have a nice day.
@andrewjg "If you think Microsoft feels even remotely threatened by Linux on the Desktop you are delusional."

No need for MS to feel threatened by any one anymore on the desktop. The world, and Linux (Think Andriod, Meago, Webos, toasters, fridges, smart TV's, routers, set top boxes, tablets etc. etc. etc. etc.) have moved on. While the die hard desktop dinosaurs/users will be around for a few more generations, the rest of us have moved on!
If you think Microsoft feels even remotely threatened by Linux on the Desktop you are delusional

@andrewjg

Really? Well it certainly gets a lot of attention around here.

Now why is that? Hmm? wink
@Fri13 Microsoft has very bad history being a criminal corporation

Can u give us at least one exemple of any criminal activities from microsoft ???

Microsoft as far i know are like every other compagnies, their purpose is to generate profits, and they are good at it.
@thoiness- Linux has grown to a level of such insignificance in the home user arena that Microsoft removed them from their SEC filings this year as a competitor. IOS and Android made the cut, of course.

Interesting. Ballmer spoke to investors last year and claimed that Linux and Apple are equal on the desktop (teh graph even suggests a little advantage to Linux)
and now you mean to say that Linux just disappeared in less than a year?

You do understand what a desktop is, right?
@Dietrich T. Schmitz * Your Linux Advocate

Great to see you returning to intelligent debate once more rather than rabid fanboism. If you continue down this path, I look forward to debating with you.
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Ed Bott 20th Oct
@Dietrich

I continue to be impressed and gratified by your contributions to the discussion here. Thank you for setting a great example.
@Dietrich T. Schmitz

"It makes no sense to me that OEMs would disable users ability to turn off UEFI."

This is what I've been trying to say all along. I fully expect this feature to be available on most desktop and laptop models. Not so much on Windows 8 tablets.
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@Dietrich T. Schmitz - I agree, as long as MS doesn't in any way pressure OEMs from preventing other organizations from making use of UEFI, they're not doing anything inappropriate here.

Where I part with you, maybe, is in thinking it's acceptable to simply be able to turn UEFI off as the way to boot other OSes. UEFI offers significant benefits - including the boot component signing - which we need to be able to take advantage of, for all the OSes we choose to install.

What I don't have is a practical, workable solution to suggest for how MS can make the reasonable use they intend, and others can as well. it's like the system itself is rigged to favor anyone with large market share - suggesting that Ubuntu (let alone ArchLinux, Sabayon, etc.) negotiate with each OEM just isn't practical - only an aggressively for-profit OS maker like MS can possibly have the resources to do that.

Anyone have any thoughts on a practical solution that doesn't exclude all but the biggest OS makers?
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@Dietrich T. Schmitz * Your Linux Advocate

I assume you click the START button to turn off the computer... As in previous version of Windows, who says that an operating system must be intuitive????

MS design sucks and Win8 will not disappoint in that regard...
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Nor do you.
John Zern 20th Oct
@prof123
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@prof123
The shutdown is definitely one of the hardest things to do it seems... though just momentarily pushing (not holding) the power button on your computer will make the computer turn off. Alternatively, you can do it via the settings menu or log off and then use the power button on the logon screen.
@prof123
The shutdown is definitely one of the hardest things to do it seems... though just momentarily pushing (not holding) the power button on your computer will make the computer turn off. Alternatively, you can do it via the settings menu or log off and then use the power button on the logon screen.
@Dietrich T. Schmitz * Your Linux Advocate
I need some Linux advice, how can I contact you?
@DTS,

I'm pretty sure the aftermath of Windows 8's release will see Microsoft's hold on the enterprise loosen a little and its share of the home market will drop a reasonable amount. Bloggers will probably end up attributing the beginning of the fall to Windows 8, but truly it will be mobile operating systems moving into the low-end computer market.
@Dietrich T. Schmitz * Your Linux Advocate

Something is sure, for business use, the option to turn off UEFI must be available.

I would make no sense otherwise to sell windows licences to business if those same business cant install their new windows versions on their old computers.
@Dietrich T. Schmitz * Your Linux Advocate

Why wouldn't Microsoft use the direct bribery technique which they have used in the past?

You know, something like- well Windows costs this much normally, but if the user can turn UEFI off, Windows costs more.

Given this is exactly what they have done in the past, why do you believe they will act differently this time?
UEFI is a much needed and brilliant requirement from Microsoft. It's great that they're taking active steps to make Windows 8 even more secure. Linux people should take the fight to the OEM's not Microsoft in the UEFI fight, the choice to enable or disable switching ultimately lies with them.
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linux for me 20th Oct
@DreyerSmit

Microsoft, with their strong arm tactics, will force OEM's to keep UEFI enabled. With PC margins as small as they are, do you really believe that OEM's will spend the money for duplicate copies of each model they produce??? No way. The bottom line will dictate one copy and it will be Microsoft's heavy arm tactics that will keep the UEFI enabled. That will result in a Windows monopoly on any production PC. So, the issue is Microsoft's only and the fight will be to them.
@linux for me
You really believe that it is cheaper for OEMs to make two versions of UEFI instead of one?

In mass production it is always cheaper to make one version of anything than several options.

If Microsoft's major customers (the Enterprises) demand the option to toggle UEFI, which they will for backwards compatibility to Win 7 or XP, then that pretty much guarantees that this will be across the range of consumer devices too.

If they want to keep that razor thin margin, they will have no choice.
@linux for me --"...Windows 8 discussion so far is how little of it is based on personal experience..."
@linux for me - Microsoft will NOT mandate whether or not an OEM allows SecureBoot to be turned off or not - doing so would result in them being dragged into court faster than you can blink.

In case you've not noticed, Microsoft has been far less aggressive in court over the last 3-4 years. They've even taken to forming licensing and patent-portfolio cross licensing agreements with competitors rather than sue them and spend years in court, making nobody but lawyers rich and happy.

Microsoft needs another major court case like it needs a hole in the head and you can be sure they'll be operating to the letter of the law, consent decree and any other statute in order to avoid going to court again unnecessarily.
@dazzlingd

"You really believe that it is cheaper for OEMs to make two versions of UEFI instead of one? "

I never stated that, and if you would PROPERLY read it again, I said that with such small margins, guess which model will the OEM's will pick with Microsoft's strong arm influence???

Read much?
Microsoft needs another major court case like it needs a hole in the head and you can be sure they'll be operating to the letter of the law, consent decree and any other statute in order to avoid going to court again unnecessarily.

Yeah, so they can feign ignorance and weasel their way out of another one. They have no problem letting their OEMs take the hit.
@linux for me You crazy package compiler you.l
@DreyerSmit So what you are saying, dont blame officials but blame citizens who chosed the officials.

Microsoft has dominant market position. It can rule and choose who gets windows and who does not. And as Microsoft is only one developing the NT operating system used in Windows and a other Windows technologies in Windows, they can control the usage of any other technology what uses them. Microsoft is even allowed to deny any software being preinstalled by OEM if it does not pass Microsoft own quality tests and OEM's need to pay that.
That is one of the things what antitrust officials gets most complaints from OEM's and competitive software companies but they can not do anything for it as even Microsoft is allowed to protect its brand. So every preinstalled app out there by OEM's, has gone trough the Microsoft own tests, what are not cheap thing to do. And every version, every modification demands retests.
And OEM's and antitrust officials are powerless that as law permits Microsoft to block competitors by that way.

And then you are here to protect Microsoft that it does nothing wrong and never will as it is now a "good boy" but blame OEM's?
OEM's are powerless against Microsoft. Even today, like they were 15-20 years ago. Lots has changed like Microsoft can not anymore demand Windows license fees from OEM's by every computer per CPU, even the computer never had the Windows installed on it or came bundled with it. Microsoft can not demand anymore those things. Either can it say directly "If you install anything else than Windows your company do not get Windows licenses anymore".
But there are hundreds of other ways to twist other company arm who is depending from your product to survive in the market competition. Question is just, how well Microsoft choose its officials to avoid specific words and to use specific "weight" on their manner of speaking.

Diplomats, Politicians and Lawyers does that all the time. Why you think the business people couldn't do that when they are chosen to work the key deals for the company?

It is dirty world when big corporations starts to make deals and that is the reason why every important deal is done by person. Where no recorders or notes are allowed. And higher the "food chain" is being talked, more strict rules exist. Example in Russia you can not even have your phones with you or you need to place the phone to table in front of you battery separated so the device does not have power. People are checked from any listening device by the manner as they would be going to prison.

It is a very cruel world what does not forgive if you make one mistake.
That people wanted. They wanted competition so badly as it was feeded to them by propaganda as it would be good thing. And everyone is suffering from competition.

And then there are these naive people who believes that happens only in movies and those who even suggest something like that are those "tinfoil hat grazy people".

People acts like NDA's would not exist or that most leading people would not be creed and use every possible situation they get.
@Fri13
Example in Russia you can not even have your phones with you or you need to place the phone to table in front of you battery separated so the device does not have power. People are checked from any listening device by the manner as they would be going to prison.

Are you serious?
That is totally Orwellian
Turn off the TV, their watching you!
@Fri13

Honestly... are you so bored you have nothing better to do than rant and rave in such poor english about something you obviously have no idea about?

Please... go home, turn the computer off, and leave it off...
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Windows 8
sparkle farkle 20th Oct
@DreyerSmit
A chance for old folks to learn how to use a cell phone.
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Windows 8 = Vista 2.0
croberts 20th Oct
Will inevitably result in people hanging on to Windows 7 until the last possible second.
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It's too early for this
Rabid Howler Monkey 20th Oct
@croberts Remember, there are still lots of Windows XP users out there who will stick with it to the bitter end. Many of these users will move up to Windows 8.

For desktop, laptop and netbook form factors, I would expect the usual Windows 7 downgrades from enterprises and SMBs, though. At least, until Windows 8 SP1 or SP2 gets released.

And, finally, there will be Windows 8-based tablets. Windows 7 was to tablets (except for the high-end, niche tablet PCs) what Vista was to netbooks. Uptake of these new tablets will be interesting to watch.
@Rabid Howler Monkey

"Windows 7 was to tablets (except for the high-end, niche tablet PCs) what Vista was to netbooks."

Awesome.
@Rabid Howler Monkey

The Win 8 tablets on x86 might take off, but it is unclear what Microsoft's position is on them. It really seems like they are focusing on ARM tablets. T

hat being the case, along without any W32 compatibility layer on ARM, I think WIN 8 ARM tablets will be a fail. If you can't run windows software, then might as well go with a tablet with the greatest app ecosystem - iPad.

Win 8 only makes sense if there was a quad core low power atom cpu on the horizon and customers could run win32 and friendlier tablet apps on the same tablet machine.

I don't see how alienating desktop users to sell incompatible ARM tablets makes any sense. MS would have been better off porting MS office to iPad and Android.
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ben_myers@... 20th Oct
@croberts NOOO!!!! Vista was really the Windows 7 beta... Ben
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Sliding tiles puzzle?
iRMX 20th Oct
I am not a sys admin, but I have seen many users having their desktop full of icons in addition to applications through the start menu. I just "simulated" a user with around 80 tiles, and I found the experience horrible. Ballmer says that the iOS is awash in a sea of icons, but that feels pretty easy to use compared to the sea of slippery tiles in Windows 8. I showed the new interface to a group of users; looks like you will have immediate user revolt. As far as the office environment is concerned, users likes the way the Windows and Mac desktop environments currently function. Windows 8 with tiles, according to one user, looks like a kid's puzzle with sliding tiles.
@iRMX But your users can still put a sea of icons on their desktop. Is the start menu really that useful? You can only pin a limited amount of applications to the start menu today. I can see an issue if you rely on the list of last used applications on the start menu, but this is not even beta yet, lets see if Microsoft will address that. Finding a way to maximize the use of the start screen should exite all the geeks in us. I can wait to see what people create.
@iRMX
regarding iOS icons, it got cues from Windows 3.x, move on.
@Rama.NET Here you are rewriting history again!
Keep trying. Always good for a laugh.
Move on ...
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More bloat, fluff and stupid stuff...
mikifinaz1@... 7th Apr
Go get a smart (stupid) phone or a "cr#p" pad.

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