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A tale of two failures: Microsoft's Kin and HP's TouchPad

By | August 18, 2011, 3:54pm PDT

Summary: Last year, Microsoft pulled the plug on its Kin phone after only seven weeks. HP just discontinued its TouchPad after even a shorter lifespan. It’s embarrassing to fail so quickly and in such spectacular fashion, but the hidden costs are much more profound for both companies.

HP’s bombshell announcement that it will “discontinue operations” for WebOS devices, most notably the TouchPad tablet, inspired immediate comparisons with Microsoft’s disastrous mobile phone, the Kin. Indeed, there are striking similarities:

  • The Kin was on sale for 55 days, from May 6, 2010, when it was first available for purchase online, until Microsoft pulled the plug on June 30. The TouchPad went on sale on July 1, 2011, and lasted until August 18, giving it 49 days on the market. HP wins that Dubious Achievement award, narrowly.
  • Microsoft paid approximately $500 million for Danger in 2008. HP paid $1.2 billion for Palm last year.
  • Microsoft took a $240 million writeoff for shutting down Kin. Because of the current inflated market for patents, HP might be able to recover its purchase price by selling Palm’s potentially valuable patent portfolio.

But none of those numbers really matter in the final analysis. For both Microsoft and HP, there were much more significant intangible costs associated with these high-profile failures.

It’s embarrassing to fail so quickly and in such spectacular fashion. In the case of Kin, the failure was with a niche product aimed at a youth market. In HP’s case, the humiliation is much more profound. HP had literally bet the company on WebOS. In the press release announcing the Palm acquisition, HP bragged that “Palm’s innovative operating system provides an ideal platform to expand HP’s mobility strategy.”

And HP had big dreams for WebOS. In March—less than six months ago—HP CEO Leo Apotheker talked about the “massive platform” opportunities for WebOS. According to Business Week, Apotheker had a grand vision: “Starting next year, every one of the PCs shipped by HP will include the ability to run WebOS in addition to Microsoft Corp.’s Windows.” Now, with HP’s announcement that it plans to spin off its PC business, there’s a good chance the company won’t even be shipping PCs at the end of 2012.

But for Microsoft and HP alike, the worst writeoff of all is the opportunity cost associated with their respective failed ventures. Microsoft sunk two years of precious development resources into Kin while Windows Mobile was failing. During that same period, Apple’s iPhone was thriving and Google’s Android platform was gaining critical momentum.

Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer admitted in a September 2010 interview that the Kin project “just defocused activity from Windows Phone.” Nearly a year later, Windows Phone is still struggling to gain traction in the marketplace.

In HP’s case, it’s too early to assess how much damage this wrong turn caused. But the fact that Apotheker and HP’s board feel compelled to exit the PC business—its onetime core—suggests that the ultimate cost will be very high indeed.

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RE: A tale of two failures: Microsoft's Kin and HP's TouchPad
sbf95070 10th Oct
@Ed Bott I'm with you on this one Ed. Can you say Mojave Experiment. Vista didn't go away. It got polished and relabelled Windows 7. I still have systems running patched Vista as there isn't enough difference to make the move to Windows 7 worth it.

For all it's faults Vista got the majority moved from 32 to 64 bit systems, so I would hardly call it a failure.
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These products are such blunders that they belong to the "how come you failed to see it coming" category.
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Wrong......
linux for me 19th Aug
@Rama.NET
If the hardware for a Chromebook can be lowered, corporations and government would buy these by the trainfulls. Most workers need only need basic apps and email and all these can be managed easier than any Windows systems using complicated policies, lockdowns, reimaging, etc...

Chromebook does work, needs to be just a bit less expensive.
@linux for me
Nah, the Chromebook is a non-starter. Too much dependence on having web access all the time. A lack of standardized applications for business. Way too expensive for what it is. Businesses will stay away from it like the plague.
@linux for me

I disagree. If I'm going to carry around a laptop-format device, why would I choose one that only does web browsing? It's not only about the money, it's also about utility and convenience. Carrying around a device with all the disadvantages of a laptop, and making it only single-purpose, makes no sense to me no matter how cheap you make it - I wouldn't carry a Chromebook if it were free.
Ed
Comparing Kin to Touchpad? Well there were failures with the Touchpad design. But you should compare Kin to Vista
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Seriously?
Ed Bott 18th Aug
@loidab

Vista sold a lot of copies. It had serious problems, some real and others artificial, but it wasn't pulled off the market in seven weeks.

Sheesh.
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@Ed Bott

I have to agree... didn't Vista at one time hold ~20% desktop marketshare?

Given the magnitude of desktop #'s... I think the only one who'd call that a fail are ABM fanboys.
@Ed Bott : define "sold a lot of copies" - box sets off the shelf or bundled with all new PCs?.
i see you are keeping up to date with criticizing MS for its BPOS outages like you keep up to date with Apple and Google problems.
@Ed Bott Didn?t Microsoft just re-release the Kin? Windows phone 7 is basically an updated version of the KinOS.
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Easy to do when.....
linux for me 19th Aug
@Ed Bott
It is forced on every computer on the shelf.
@Linux Folk

Can you drop the "It was forced..." crap? OEM's are no way "forced" to use Windows, and consumers are in no way forced to use Windows either. The TP to Vista comparison is flawed.
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@Ed Bott

I disagree. Vista came bundled on a lot of PCs to unsuspecting consumers who would rather have had XP. Public and OEM outcry over the Vista debacle convinced M$ to continue to allow XP on OEM machines, but not after a lot of people got burned. Very few people went out specifically to GET VISTA. As near as I can tell, Vista was Windows 7 Beta, (and Windows 7 is still doing some strange things in my shop even after SP1.) Vista is what happens when software is written by committee.
@Ed Bott I'm with you on this one Ed. Can you say Mojave Experiment. Vista didn't go away. It got polished and relabelled Windows 7. I still have systems running patched Vista as there isn't enough difference to make the move to Windows 7 worth it.

For all it's faults Vista got the majority moved from 32 to 64 bit systems, so I would hardly call it a failure.
@loidab
Sheesh, Vista was never pulled from the market in 6 to 7 weeks and there are PCs that are being sold with Vista installed. Please compare Apples to Apples.
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@loidab That would be an inaccurate comparison as Vista (steaming pile of crapware that it was) was not pulled from the market. The Kin to TouchPad comparison is much more accurate due to both being mobile devices and both having failed despite the large amount of hype.

It's unfortunate about the Touchpad and HP's decision to leave the PC market.
@loidab If touchpad sold as many units as Vista HP would be king of the hill right now.
These failures are just rewards for MS and HP when they try to dabble in areas in which they do not have long-term competence. For HP, the failure is even worse--they have announced leaving the PC marketplace. Based on past performance, they need to announce leaving the PC peripheral marketplace too. What used to be, back in the 1970s, HP made solid and reliable printers and other peripherals. Over time, however, they have made a corporate decision to no longer do that. All is not lost...Canon, Lexmark, Brother, XEROX, etc are more than willing and able to take over that marketplace.
@TsarNikky

Who were you listening to? IPG is up and doing well YoY, and they always expect to ride high of Q1. It's very seasonal, and that's why no one is serious comparing their Q2 to Q1. The PC business is $40 billion in revenue per year, and it's not going away. Hopefully, it will simply no longer be mismanaged by a board and senior management that have only cared about enterprise anyway for 20 years. What press release were you reading?

I've purchased HP computers in the last few years, but it involved creating a login attached to a discount tier, entering promo codes, preferred buyer codes, etc. EACH purchase involved at least FIVE separate discounts. I couldn't even GUESS what the final price would be until I got to the final page of the checkout. HP spinning of PSG is a good move.
Are you kidding? HP didn't bet the whole company on WebOS. Look at their acquisition history in the last 3 years. WebOS was just another small bet; a high-profile bet, but a small one just the same. I doubt they even significantly changed PC operations based on Palm, or integrated the PC and Palm teams.
@longde
Nope, Ed is right. 6 months back HP CEO wanted to have PCs running on top of WebOS and wanted to use WebOS as main internal system.
@Rama.NET Hi Rama; that's what he SAID. Is there any evidence that the R&D roadmaps, deals w/MS, notebook and desktop operations, or anything significant to their PC business was adjusted to meet that vision? Not that I've seen. That kind of adjustment would cost alot more than the deal itself.

The EDS acquisition ($13.6B) was/is a huge bet. Mercury ($4.5B) was another huge bet. Relatively, this deal ($1.2B) is not so ground-shaking. It would have been sweet if they'd gotten it to work.
Next to fail Google Chromebooks! They won't even release sales numbers...
@Hasam1991

Chromebooks are a product that is still looking for a market. With the power of full desktop operating systems that are able to be run on pretty much anything, it'll never have a market.

Google thinks everyone can live in a browser, when that is farthest from the truth.

I won't go near one, and I know of no other techie that will go near one, so if the techs don't want it, why would consumers?
@Cylon Centurion

Turn it around, they're pitching it to consumers, NOT techies. They're taking the next step after Apple. Can't tweak much on a Mac, well, see how much less you can tweak operations running on a server from modifications to a remote client.
"literally bet the company"

whatever.
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But more of a management fail?

First by dropping over $1B to acquire a company, then go through the adaptation, design, marketing (or lack thereof), and release of a product... only to pull it before it had the chance to be a player in this market? What did HP expect? For the TouchPad to enjoy iPad's sales #'s on day 1?

Also, just as a global computer refresh from XP to Win7 is hitting it's stride... they decide to get out of the PC game?

All to "focus on their cloud solutions and services"!!! Wow.

Whatever it is that board of directors is smoking, I wish I could get my hands on some.
@chmod 777

Nah, the PSG spin-off is the first sane, honest thing they've said in fifteen years. In the past, they said they were committed to consumers and focused on enterprise. All that's changed is that they've admitted to screwing consumers and they are considering stopping doing so.
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The writing's on the wall.. mobile's changing the PC business in a big way and the pace of change is accelerating and HP is having a hard time keeping up..

But maybe they are leaning from what IBM learned.. PC bus. is prestigious but as a business kind of sucks.. IBMs numbers have skyrocketed since selling their PC business and Lenovo is finally back to its 5 years ago numbers.. HP is moving on to greener more profitable pastures..
@doctorSpoc

Apple makes good margins on PCs.
@tkejlboom

Only because they're ridiculously overpriced....
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but IBM had something to offer
voyager529 21st Aug
@doctorSpoc

IBM has had their own vertical stack for the server room since well before Lenovo took over the Thinkpad division - OS/2, Lotus Notes/Domino, etc. They were well entrenched in many server rooms with their AS/400 servers, and the build quality on an IBM server is legendary. They treat their support contracts like they're worth something, and again - all of this was well established long before exiting the desktop/laptop arena.

What's HP got to bring to the server room that Dell doesn't already provide? Short of not being Dell...not much. They're just another company making commodity servers and workstations, except they're going to start requiring companies to now get their desktops elsewhere.

I don't see HP doing well without the consumer division, unless they truly think that they can become "the ink company".

Joey
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Huh.
Userama 18th Aug
Who would have thought that that little gizmo Steve Jobs demoed while sitting on a sofa during one of his dog and pony shows would rock the world?
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really too bad
janitorman 19th Aug
but I wouldn't have bought a Touchpad anyway, the Slate is what I'd like to see on sale under $500 (not possible, I know)
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Neither System Was Given a Chance to Succeed
CFWhitman Updated - 19th Aug
The Kin and HP WebOS devices do have one thing in common. Neither of them were given a chance to succeed. A whole product line can't fail in less than two months. It's not even possible. This is especially true when going up against entrenched competition (like iOS and Android are at this point).
@CFWhitman
The problem wasn't the two months these products were on the market. The problem was the 12 - 18 months the companies frittered away valuable time, staffing and resources while the market, developers and consumers moved on.
The two months just made wasted time painfully obvious.
Meanwhile, Samsung Galaxy Tab's are flying off the shelves ... You would think a company like HP could learn from Samsung. Sad, I love HP desktop and laptops, but always said the TouchPad was DOA.
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@roteague

Really? I understand Samsung will happily reveal the numbers shipped, but not numbers sold. Usually when a company has a roaring success on its hands, it cannot wait to tell the world. It doesn't keep its great successes secret.

Best Buy in the US are giving them away. If you buy a Samsung TV. Don't see Apple giving away iPads.
http://www.maximumtech.com/best-buy-tossing-galaxy-tab-101s-samsung-3d-tv-purchases-next-week
It was "relaunched" as the Kin m, without requirement for a data plan, which is how it should have been in the first place.
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@dazzlingd

And there's no development on it, so no future.
The failure wasn't the Touchpad. The failure lays with the Executive Board of HP, who acted like children, throwing a temper tantrum when the initial design didn't sell as well as they hoped.

The Touchpad itself was well-regarded by its users, including this former user.

Microsoft doesn't act this way, unless the product is a complete mess (Kin & Microsoft Bob); otherwise, there never would have been an XBox 360...
@tonymus

"Microsoft doesn't act this way, unless the product is a complete mess" - Guess what? The TouchPad was a complete mess. Reports say HP put WebOS on an iPad and it ran over twice as fast. Even after reducing the price, it wouldn't sell. Best Buy wanted HP to take back 90% of their delivery, meaning the prospects weren't good, no matter how long of view taken. It will interesting to see what happens to remaining stock. I'd like to know how much people would be willing to spend on one now. $100? $50? Can they give them away?
@rynning
There are two conditions under which remaining Touchpad stock could still be interesting at a discounted price. The first is if someone grabs WebOS rather quickly and provides software support for existing devices (seems kind of unlikely that it could happen fast enough). The second is if someone develops a hack that allows you to run Android (or even Gnu/Linux for ARM) on the device.
@rynning

I might be willing to bite at $100, but no more, considering it is a "door stop".
@tonymus
Touchpad and Pre phones were at least six months late to market and HP clearly failed to build developer interest or telco interest in the preceding 12 months. HP simply couldn't move fast enough to keep up with Android and iDevices.

1. HP should have pushed a new Pre out the door in six months after acquiring Palm in April 2010. That should have been their absolute first priority to get the ecosystem going. Even if it was just a minor hardware and OS upgrade.
2. Then a brand new, cutting edge Pre should have been their next priority within 6 to 8 months after that, NOT a tablet, not a pixie-sized phone.
3. Apple took 3 - 4 years to go from NEXT to OS X, then six more years before they had iOS. Why did HP think this would work in two years?
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Too generous to HP, btw
tkejlboom 19th Aug
The July 1st date was a soft launch that was running code that never should have seen the light of day. The official launch was something like the 14th. I think it's fair to say the Touchpad only made it 35 days.
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RE a Tail of two failures!
moffett.john@... 19th Aug
The Tail of two failures is the "one of us mentality both acquiring shops employ." Danger and Web os were niche following. Keep the niche and colonize with applications and benefits. Sidekick people are still pissed no more side kick. The Kin deal wasn't that bad. I mean google liked it it now has "circles and a lot of other cool kin features embedded in Google +"

Both suffered from execution and synergistic economies of scale. Which means over work the incoming employees and change their direction and break up the development cycle to go in a bold new direction and add cutting edge features to increase the incremental value of multiple product lines for similar launches. Blah, Blah , Blah!

Who thought that the Beos Internet Appliance from Jean Gasee would be bought by Palm and later rekindled and turned into web os and sink HP's battleship, I mean supply chain.
Some people are snatching them up in dozens from Walmart B&M 16gb and 32gb for $129 and $149 respectively :
http://www.fatdeals.net/showthread.php?t=1703&p=1789&viewfull=1#post1789 OD offers them periodically and, allegedly HP small business still sells them at the old price but you can contact to get a price adjustment There?s also talk of porting android to this thing, that would be huge.
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I know this will come as a shock to all those who love to diss Vista but actually properly set-up and sans OEM crapware its actually a very stable and very useable OS. I picked up a cheap (authentic) copy of Vista Ultimate and I actually like it. I've worked on Windows 7 a lot, and its definitately an improvement on Vista SP2 but not that much that I am going to shell out my own hard earned cash to upgrade any time soon.
The Kin still lives as a feature phone as it should be. The Touchpad is a great tablet, that was deliberately sabotaged from the beginning of it's premature launch. Unless this is the best HP could do, and they are incompetent.

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