Apple TV, yes. CableCARD? No way.
Summary: A former Apple executive, now a Silicon Valley VC, is the latest to argue that an Apple-branded TV is inevitable. But his argument assumes that an Apple TV would deliver cable subscriptions to your living room using the finicky CableCARD technology. That won't happen. Here's why.
Jean-Louis Gassée (who worked at Apple back in the 1980s and is now a Silicon Valley venture capitalist) has a fresh blog post arguing that Apple will develop its own TV:
The idea is exciting and so obvious it’s got to happen. Imagine a true plug-and-play experience. One set with only two wires: power and the cable TV coax. Turn it on, assert your Apple ID credentials and you’re in business. The program guide looks good and is easy to navigate; pay channels are just a click and a password away. The TV runs apps, from games to FaceTime and Skype, it “just works’’ with your other iDevices and also acts as a Wi-Fi base station using the cable provider’s Internet service.
Sounds great, doesn't it? Until you see that Gassée is depending on CableCARD technology to do the heavy lifting:
An integrated Apple TV set wouldn’t benefit from better electronics as naturally as an iPhone does…unless, of course, the tiny iOS computer is implemented as an easily accessible plug-in module. This could also solve — or at least mitigate — the field service problem: Bring the module to the store, we’ll diagnose and replace it if needed…or sell you this year’s model.
In one device we might have something like: a CableCard inside an Apple TV 3.0, itself inside a TV set.
That’s a nonstarter right there.
CableCARD is finicky. It violates the most fundamental of all Apple principles, which is that the underlying product has to “just work.” No one who has ever tried to pair a CableCARD to a consumer device would use that phrase.
It also means that Apple would be dependent on cable companies—many of them—for critical technical support issues. That would drag Apple's legendary support experience into the gutter. On the American Customer Satisfaction Index ratings, with its 0-100 scale, Apple earns an enviably high 86, far above the average score of 78 for personal computer manufacturers. The subscription TV industry as a whole earns a dismal 66, with cable giants Comcast and Time-Warner Cable down at 59.
Update: As a commenter points out, CableCARD is a U.S.-only technology. There are dramatically different TV-delivery technologies in Europe, in Japan, and in South America. That complicates the issue considerably.
Back in 2008, Steve Jobs dissed Blu-ray technology, calling it “a bag of hurt.” CableCARD makes Blu-ray look simple by comparison. It’s loaded with proprietary digital rights management technology that Apple would have to license from CableLabs, and it’s subject to program licensing restrictions that can be horribly confusing for customers
I wouldn’t be surprised to see an Apple TV someday, maybe as early as next year. But I would be shocked to see it as a delivery vehicle for cable subscriptions. Apple’s future is in streaming media from its shiny new data centers like the one that opened early this summer in North Carolina.
The company controls the iTunes ecosystem from start to end. Imagine an Apple-branded TV set with a direct (wired or wireless) Internet connection, with an iOS device (an iPad or an iPhone Touch) acting as remote control. It could serve up TV shows and movies from the cloud, with Apple in complete control of the technical and financial details of each transaction.
The device that Gassée describes is nothing more than an Apple-branded set-top box embedded in a TV set. That’s a combination of two low-margin businesses. Google might want to play that game with its Motorola Mobility acquisition, but Apple’s all about disruption. And an iTunes TV would seriously disrupt the traditional cable business.
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Not feeling it...
As well, why would a company with the greatest margins in the device industry enter the lowest margin market available. Where is the payoff? I don't see Apple winning the living room on the priciest TV available. TV's are a 5 -7 year investment for most people. Not the turnover rate of phones, tabs, laptops and MP3 players.
What margins are you looking at?
Margins on TVs are great, especially if you're already using the same tech and supplier channels for displays. Everyone seems to keep forgetting that Apple doesn't make anything. Apple's problem would be differentiating their products from Samsung, from whom they get most of their displays. The only way for Apple to do that would be in the software. STBs are low margin because carriers have every incentive to control the content, and personal STBs undermine that. So, if Apple is to make a TV at all, Ed's vision is the most likely. Alternatively, maybe Apple buys TimeWarner. That could be interesting.
RE: Apple TV, yes. CableCARD? No way.
Don't buy TVs that often but..
RE: Apple TV, yes. CableCARD? No way.
RE: Apple TV, yes. CableCARD? No way.
52" HD LCD in loungeroom with 4 HD inputs
Foxtel Cable
This provides broadcast digital channels, cable channels, HD PVR, streamed movies, background downloaded HD movies and also movies provide over an internet link (from Foxtel)
Win 7 PC
Web pages, downloadable TV and movies, streamed TV and torrents.
Blu-Ray DVD
Hardly use this at all and it's now been a while since I saw the inside of a vdeo library.
Xbox/Kinect
Games
I also have wireless repeaters for the Foxtel so I can view it in other rooms. There's also monitors and PCs in other rooms for Internet use. I could also connect the Xbox to the Net, but haven't really had a need yet.
So what could Apple provide? Really they could only replace my cable company and I can't see them supplanting Foxtel in Australia. As to requiring a cablecard, I already have a PC and while I could use it with Media Center etc, my current cable delivery is better.
Now I know I may not be typical, but I just can't see where Apple can offer anything better than current options.
RE: Apple TV, yes. CableCARD? No way.
Foxtel is probably offering a better STB than Comcast. Still, what happens if you move or change services? Do you lose all your recorded content? What is your storage capacity? I know for sure you're not going to get a "wireless repeater" for a STB in my market. I don't care what company gets me better television service than Comcast, but if someone can figure out how to do it, I'm switching.
RE: Apple TV, yes. CableCARD? No way.
RE: Apple TV, yes. CableCARD? No way.
38% of Apple's revenue is still in the U.S. alone, but more importantly, if they used hot swappable modules, they could use cablecard in the U.S. and something else overseas.
RE: Apple TV, yes. CableCARD? No way.
RE: Apple TV, yes. CableCARD? No way.
RE: Apple TV, yes. CableCARD? No way.
http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/23/tivo-sony-and-others-tell-the-fcc-gateways-should-replace-cab/
http://hd.engadget.com/2010/03/17/a-cablecard-replacement-is-due-by-december-2012-bandaids-by-thi/
RE: Apple TV, yes. CableCARD? No way.
Who knows ... this Motorola purchase by Google may prove to be a major development toward a Cablecard replacement. If they were interested in making a generic 'gateway' (which would hopefully be a standard allowing interoperability with any DVR, any provider), this purchase would give them a big starting point. I wish more consumer electronic heavyweights (beyond Sony and Tivo) would get interested in this. The more players, the more like it won't be something proprietary (not to doubt that Google or Apple would have completely utopinion intentions of everything working with everything else).
Cablecard vs. phone activation
RE: Apple TV, yes. CableCARD? No way.
I have a Ceton InfiniTV as well. I had problems, but not due to the hardware. It turns out that the cables coming in from the street were so old and obsolete that they could not handle the bandwidth of 4 HD channels plus internet at the same time. And Comcast wasn't so willing to come and replace them, so I wound up buying a cable amplifier to solve the problem, along with rearranging my WiFi setup so the router was in a different room, which meant I needed a bridge to get my whole house a good link. If others who are less technically inclined had to do that, I am sure they would have given up.
Cablecard sucks
Cablecard needs to die and a S O F T W A R E solution needs to be used by the cable companies. NOT a hardware solution.
Until that time, I will download all my shows online in at least 720p and not have ONE pang of conscience.
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RE: Apple TV, yes. CableCARD? No way.
ED: I came to exactly the same conclusion
Maybe you missed the point Ed...
Quite the opposite is JLG idea, my friend Ed, what he's suggesting is a masterpiece, which in hindsight, might be even bigger than the iPhone.
Let's imagine this new beast is released January 9, 2013, exactly 6 years after the iPhone. It's called the "the iCable" (forget the name, as a better one could come along). It's the same size and thickness of 3.5" floppy disk and even fits on a similar slot. On the outer rim (the one facing outside) there's a mini port similar to mini usb, but rather a new standard. Let's call that NuCoax or Universal Coax Bus. It's really a connector for four pins, akin to iLink. It connects to the cable company using a different connector, so as to differentiate it from CableCARD.
Bear with me, things get more interesting as they move on. On the inside rim, the one facing the television guts, there's a PCI-e type slot. In reality it's an internal Intel Thunderbolt, which Apple now masters after three years manufacturing the Mac Mini and MacBook AIR. But this baby has an A6T processor, quad core with TB support and 1Gb RAM and no SSD. No more dock port, no more HDMI quality. This baby can pump Apple Cinema quality images. And embedded thunderbolt allows us to place the Graphic card *outside* the card, to avoid thermal problems and improve resolution and since our little A6R won't have a built-in graphic processor, the TV set creator can choose either NVIDIA or AMD and even offer sets with even greater resolutions. Plus they can also bundle a Thunderbolt port, alongside the original HDMI and RCA.
Before release, Apple negotiates with just one TV manufacturer and just one Cable system. Now, the system does not use anything not available today. Data for the system is a normal "cable broadband internet", just like the iPhone was a standard GSM phone. Video is digital and is processed as desired by some built in apps.
Do I hear a line on the Apple's stores to buy the new sets with the card? Yep... trust me... this can be the next big thing.