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Businesses tell Microsoft "We're done with XP"

By | November 3, 2010, 6:00am PDT

Summary: Businesses take their time with OS upgrades. Now that we’ve passed the one-year anniversary of Windows 7, the results are in, with multiple studies confirming that enterprise adoption rates are way up, and XP is toast.

Last month, when we passed the one-year anniversary of Windows 7, I noted that Microsoft executives seemed “relaxed and genuinely confident” about consumer adoption rates. Selling 240 million copies in a year will do that for you.

Yesterday, I checked in with a senior Microsoft executive whose job is to closely monitor corporate adoption rates of Windows 7. If I had to choose one word to describe the demeanor of Gavriella Schuster, general manager of Windows Product Management, it would be relieved.

Schuster’s counterparts on the consumer side of the Windows team get to watch upgrades play out in real time. Big business, on the other hand, moves far more slowly. As I noted back in April 2009, when Windows 7 was still in the beta phase: “Businesses need a year or so after a new Windows version is released to test their in-house software for compatibility and to plan a thoughtful migration strategy.” Now that we’re past the 12-month mark, those plans are crystallizing, and Microsoft’s execs can finally exhale.

Two new studies suggest that Windows 7 is being adopted at a pace that’s downright blazing by corporate standards. My colleague Mary Jo Foley reported the details of a Forrester Research study yesterday: 90 percent of businesses they surveyed expect to migrate to Windows 7, with “46% of firms now reporting that they have already begun or will begin deploying Windows 7 within the next 12 months.”

Those results are confirmed by a separate report from Dimensional Research, also released this week. According to that study, commissioned by Dell KACE, “corporate IT has been actively adopting Windows 7 as planned. This survey showed that 38% of participants have implemented a partial roll out of Windows 7 [and] 6% of participants are now fully deployed on Windows 7.” Another 30% are still in the test phase of their Windows 7 deployments.

Microsoft’s internal data back those numbers up as well. According to Schuster, nearly 90% of companies have already started their formal migrations to Windows 7.

Ironically, one question on that same KACE study triggered a slew of misleading headlines earlier this week. A post from ZDNet UK blogger David Meyer highlighted one result from the survey suggesting that 48% of the IT pros surveyed “intend to carry on using Windows XP even after extended support for the venerable operating system ends in 2014.” Not surprisingly, ComputerWorld picked up on the same inflammatory headline.

A closer look at the data paints a very different picture. Yes, roughly half of businesses will continue to run some PCs on XP after its expiration date. Some of those XP instances will be in virtual machines, others will be running specialized software that can’t be upgraded and can’t easily be abandoned. But the total number of PCs in this group is likely to be very small, akin to the small proportion of Windows 2000 and even Windows 98 machines stubbornly hanging on today.

I asked Schuster whether Microsoft has any internal statistics to measure how many corporate PCs are being bought with Windows 7 licenses and downgraded to XP. “We can’t track that,” she told me. “All we have is anecdotal evidence. We heard about it when they were downgrading before. We’re not hearing that now.” In fact, Schuster says, the overwhelming message from CIOs at the recent Gartner CIO Summit was blunt: “We’re done with XP.”

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RE: Businesses tell Microsoft
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As it should be.
Cylon Centurion 3rd Nov 2010
Those that still aren't moving on are simply wasting money. Simple as that.

There are many benefits to upgrading, and I'm glad to see businesses are seeing that.
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It seems to me....
Economister 3rd Nov 2010
@Cylon Centurion 0005

we have been around this pointless argument just too many times, with people like you apparently believing that they know what is best for everyone else, despite knowing absolutely nothing about their circumstances.

Are you smart enough to understand what I just said?
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Yet
Cylon Centurion 3rd Nov 2010
@Economister

That last line is more than enough to ruin what the rest of your post says. You can step off the high horse, thanks.


Nowhere did I say you have to upgrade, but the truth is, continuing to run XP on front line machines is going to start hurting (If not already) more than it will help. Especially if you wait to the last minute to upgrade. Businesses should be spending the money now to train and upgrade users.

It's not that hard to figure out.
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High horses
Economister Updated - 3rd Nov 2010
@Cylon Centurion 0005

Lecturing and disparaging other people about their decisions and choices is NOT "getting on a high horse"?

Clearly, you are not smart enough, which I guess I should have gathered anyway.
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RE: Businesses tell Microsoft
Lerianis10 3rd Nov 2010
Actually, there isn't much 'training' to be done. Windows XP and Windows 7 are SO SIMILAR that any user could immediately start using Windows 7 after it is installed on their computer, no training necessary.
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RE: Businesses tell Microsoft
Cylon Centurion 3rd Nov 2010
@Lerianis10

You'd be surprised how dumb many computer users can be, you so much as move a desktop icon and they'll flip out.
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RE: Businesses tell Microsoft
Droid101 3rd Nov 2010
@Economister
You know nothing about business if you don't see the advantages in upgrading. Windows 7 works WONDERS if paired with a Windows Server 2008 infrastructure. You really don't know what you're talking about.
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RE: Businesses tell Microsoft
happyharry_z 3rd Nov 2010
@Economister

The Econmister doth protest too much, methinks!

Perhaps it is he who has the inferior intellect...
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RE: Businesses tell Microsoft
LiquidLearner 3rd Nov 2010
@Economister

Since it would seem it's unlikely you work in an IT department, it does seem that someone else will tell you when it's time to upgrade. The people who make those decisions for you at the office.

This is an article on business PCs yet you must stick your nose in, and insinuate that someone isn't "smart", because you don't want to upgrade your home PC. We get it. $100 is a small fortune for you. Perhaps you should work on better funds, especially with a name like Economister. And yes, get off your high horse. No one, and I mean absolutely no one, cares if you ever upgrade your home PC. Or any other PC you come into contact with.
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@Economister
Ummmm, no. People said the same about Office 2007 being just like Office 2003 and that was an equally false assertion. Recently I've been working almost exclusively with engineers...mostly design engineers and process engineers...and there has been significant training involved with both uprades from Windows XP to Windows 7 and with upgrades from Office 2003 to Office 2007. These upgrades have also forced upgrades on AutoCad, SolidWorks and PADS PCB design software. The productivity gains from all these upgrades and training? Nada. Zip. Zilch. No productivity gains, no major new capabilities, just a lot of costs.
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Thanks for that report "from the field"
Economister 3rd Nov 2010
@jasonp@...

This is my basic point: If you do an evaluation and decide that an upgrade is the best thing for you, then you obviously do it (if you can finance it). If however, for whatever reason, you decide that an upgrade is not your best option, you stay with what you've got. The "do nothing" option is unfortunately too often forgotten.

The posters around here who keep blowing their horn that everybody must upgrade, otherwise you are somehow stupid or incompetent, are just dimwits, plain and simple, and I do not apologize for pointing that out to them at times, even if they and others protest loudly.
@jasonp@...: People said the same about Office 2007 being just like Office 2003 and that was an equally false assertion.

It's possible a handful of people made such a claim but I haven't read anything where people claimed Office 2007 was similar to Office 2003. To the contrary everything I've read indicated people understood the concern of upgrading to Office 2007 because it was so different.
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PlayFair 3rd Nov 2010
@Economister

Actually, it wasn't Cylon that first questioned someone's intelligence. Please follow the thread.
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RE: Businesses tell Microsoft
herbys67 3rd Nov 2010
@Economister:
You make a valid point about doing a rational analysis. But you are missing a big thing: business WILL have to migrate at some point, and that point is not that far out in the future. Supportability is a huge issue for most companies, they cannot operate in an unsupported platform. It is way better to begin rolling out now than when there are only months of support left, even if there weren't advantages to the product. And there are MANY advantages for the vast majority of enterprises. Maybe the users won't notice them, but things such as decent certificate autoenrollment, working client-side-caching, way more robust security, better policies, directaccess, peercache, a faster networking stack, more resiliency, better printing subsystem, better ability to run without admin privileges, and many, many more make Windows 7 a huge money saver for all but a tiny fraction of the companies. But that's not the point. The point is that Windows XP will not be supported forever. So even if you are on that tiny fraction, you are dumb not to be preparing for the move.
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Economister gets hammered by the shills
ahh so Updated - 3rd Nov 2010
@Economister

Don't you know you're supposed to jump up and bend your head back like a PEZ everytime a new goodie comes out of Redmond?

Little @Cylon Centurion 0005 Nicholas has been called out on this crap before. Why would somebody constantly push upgrades here on a weekly basis if they weren't getting paid for it.

I personally wouldn't give Redmond another dime unless I had to. You still have 3 years left on XP and like you, I will make the most of it.
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No, i'm with Eco' on this one
thx-1138_@... Updated - 3rd Nov 2010
@Economister .. His point is patently obvious: the *only* persons that know what's best for their respective organizations is the I.S/I.T Departments for those respective orgs .. not some casual bunch of self-righteous, outsiders.

It is really a no brainer, that any medium-large business (i.e. 100+ workstations) right through to large enterprise (1000+ workstations) will have done due diligence by now: that is, feasibility studies, cost analysis, risk analysis and in some cases - for internal customers (i.e. staff), if needs be, re-initiating a D.U.R phase.

Moving right along, somewhere along the logical process chain, the Administrative personnel (i.e. I.T Dept.) will almost certainly have weighed up the pros and cons; things to consider, typically, such as the degree to which legacy apps play in relation to current interoperability with current OS's (e.g. XP and to a lesser degree Win NT). Which, when all things are considered, are *not* things to be taken lightly by any data center Administrator.

So, going right back to what Economister has implied, that is solely a matter for each, respective business (small to SME) or corporate (large enterprise), I.T Dept. to decide. Anyone who says otherwise isn't worth their salt and obviously doesn't engage their brain before commenting.

(Disclaimer: this post is, in no way, meant to denigrate W7. I'm merely stating that this is solely a matter (will *always* be that way) - as business / enterprise goes - for each business entity to decide based on well informed, well researched and sound requirements analysis. End of story.)
@Lerianis10
They HAVE to have something to grasp onto in an argument when they play the "training" card. That's why you continue to hear stuff like "But then there's all the retraining of the staff... It's gonna cost an arm and a leg and your first born!"

Don't get me wrong - I'm in complete agreement. If anything 7 should take the average corporate drone about 5 minutes to learn and maybe an hour to master. That's covering the basics - the start button, the start menu and the task bar. AND it's easy enough they should be able to figure it out on their own. No need for some expensive corporate trainer.

IT staff only pull this card out when they feel their own manhood/womanhood threatened because they are experts at XP and don't feel the urge to learn how to do things on 7 - even if it's simpler, easier and faster.
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You're probably still running...
rock06r 4th Nov 2010
@Economister

...NT Server too, then. Replicating across to your backup server using some kind of FTP agent, probably once each night. Making your users carry flash drives from PC to PC.

It's easy to forget that the entire business infrastructure - workstations, networks, servers, and software - are there to support the processes of a business. If you're in any way slowing down those processes, then you are slowly draining the pockets of the other departments. Comparatively, IT departments are typically only a small part of the overall budget of a company - unless it is dragging down the business processes and consequently syphoning money from every other department.

I think that makes a pretty compelling argument for upgrading every now and again. I don't believe that one must upgrade every time a new product hits the street, but at the same time.... XP? Come on! That's like shopping at the local Goodwill for software at this point...!?
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ahh so 4th Nov 2010
IT staff only pull this card out when they feel their own manhood/womanhood threatened because they are experts at XP and don't feel the urge to learn how to do things on 7 - even if it's simpler, easier and faster.

That this is no doubt the result of all those crappy MCSE diploma mills that are out and about.

No wonder most of you corporate tools are so narrow-minded.
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RE: Businesses tell Microsoft
Dorkyman 3rd Nov 2010
We'll change when (a) our apps won't run on newer hardware, and/or (b) it becomes more expensive to maintain XP than the alternative.

Don't hold your breath.
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RE: Businesses tell Microsoft
Lerianis10 3rd Nov 2010
@Dorkyman

I will, because that last thing has ALREADY HAPPENED since Windows 7 does not need all these 'security software' save for an antivirus to protect it.
If they switch to Windows 7, they can get rid of a LOT of their IT staff, because Windows 7 is pretty BULLETPROOF with UAC and other things.
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History...
zkiwi 3rd Nov 2010
NT was "bulletproof," then 2k was, then XP was, then Vista was and now 7 is. Oddly enough it never works out to be that way. Ah well, I guess 8 will be "bulletproof" too...
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Cylon Centurion 3rd Nov 2010
@Zkiwi

I think you read your history books wrong. XP was never secure. RTM didn't even have a firewall, that came with SP1, and then there was SP2... And even then XP is still and forever will be mince meat.
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@Cylon Centurion 0005: RTM didn't even have a firewall, that came with SP1, and then there was SP2...

However it was not enabled by default until SP2. Another change that occured with SP2 is the firewall was enabled before the network stack was initialized. This prevented a small window of opportunity where malware could theoretically infect a system before the firewall became active.

XP's biggest problem was its default configuration. Not that it's not secure. It just ships with an insecure configuration. That was partially rectified with the enablement of the firewall with SP2 but still requires a user to actively ensure they're using an account that lacks administrator privileges.
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herbys67 3rd Nov 2010
@Dorkyman:
So you will continue running XP at your Enterprise even when it is no longer supported? When there are no more security fixes for it?
OTOH, Windows 7 is significantly lower cost to operate and maintain than Windows XP today. Yes, if you factor in migration and upgrade cost your results might vary, but it is unlikely that XP will be cheaper in the long run unless your environment is a free-reign of unmanaged computers and you don't count lost productivity as part of your calculations. But it doesn't matter. When XP runs out of support, you don't want to be running it. Period.
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stevejg61 3rd Nov 2010
@Dorkyman Though i'll bet yo rush out and egt the new iPhone as soon as it is available
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@Cylon Centurion 0005
zkiwi 5th Nov 2010
Every release has had the claim of being bulletproof attached to it, if not by Microsoft directly by their shills/pundits. The fact that they never are/were is merely hindsight.

You really don't seem to know what history is though.
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In a word, bullshite.
jasonp@... 3rd Nov 2010
Those who aren't moving on have decided to not waste money. Support? Are you kidding me? I don't know anyobody who has called Microsoft for XP support...EVER. People will decide what's best for their business. If they decide that upgrading to Windows 7 is what their company needs, they'll do it. If, on the other hand, they've been working with XP for the last several years without incident and they see no ROI associated with migrating to XP, they simply won't. As the article points out, half the businesses out there will continue running XP.
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Cost of changeover
DNSB Updated - 3rd Nov 2010
@jasonp@...

It's nice to see these people who have unlimited IT budgets telling the rest of us how dumb we are. Or is it those who have never worked in corporate IT?

Around here, the IT staff would be happy to switch to Windows 7. The love for new toys endures even in the trenches. OTOH, the beancounters say the cost of licenses for Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2 and needed hardware and software upgrades is not going to be in the budget for at least another year. Perhaps even longer unless we manage to produce better ROI figures.
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Right on cue
Lester Young 3rd Nov 2010
@jasonp@...

Just like Computerworld, you misinterpreted the meaning of half of businesses continuing to use XP, even the context was corrected in this article. Go read it again.
@jasonp@...
Congratulations - you've now met someone who's called MS tech support for help dealing with issues on XP. Yes. I've done it. And I have a client who's got a penchant for AOL who's responsible for it. A few years back, they came out with their ultra high security version - Unfortunately, it did some pretty nasty things to file shares on a domain. Namely it blocked them more or less permanently. The client in question also used his PC to share QuickBooks files over his network with 2 of the other users in the office. No.. Not the most optimum solution, but it worked for him. At any rate, I had to fix the problem and the fastest, most optimal solution was to call for support. They had him back up and running in short order. Well worth the cost of the call.

While it's true that people will decide what's best for them and their business', they're NOT going to blindly keep on using something that won't be a viable option. Support generally is a very good thing to have - even if you never have a need to use it. It's called insurance.

And for the record - it's migrating FROM XP.. Not TO XP.
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RE: Businesses tell Microsoft
mpoli@... 3rd Nov 2010
@Cylon Centurion 0005

While I agree its time to move onto W7 - I disagree with your statement. Did you say the same thing when Vista came out? Most companies did not. Recent history shows that business would rather stay with an older OS than migrate to a new if they felt they would be wasting money in doing so. The rapid acceptance of W7 by the business community is not a reflection of upgrade or be left behind, but rather the confidence they have in W7 unlike that of Vista. If W7 had been a problematic OS like Vista was on release I belive many companies would have continued to stay with XP and pushed microsoft to extend support just as they did when Vista was released.
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RE: Businesses tell Microsoft
Graham Ellison 3rd Nov 2010
@Cylon Centurion 0005

Within the picture you paint and the way you paint it, is encompassed all the fundamental problems with the deployment of technology to the masses.

Generally the users are stupid. They require handholding through every stage. The technology is cheap, yet complicated.

So, whilst the initial unit outlay is small, training is essential for the system to work, therefore ROI is poor, necessitating keeping legacy operating systems long after they are out of date.

The system requires cheap tech and expensive training!

The system exists to provide cheap tech and expensive training!

Cheap tech and expensive training exist because the system requires them!

Does this remind anyone of anything?

I've got some worthless paper here. I call is garbage. I'll sell it to you. You can call it whatever you like. You can sell it.

As someone who's been outside of all this nonsense for the past 11 years, I find it all very silly.

But, if the tech was intuitive...

No, that's too obvious a solution, and even discussing it would only upset thousands of stupid people.

Go little lemmings, Redmond is calling. The message is being beamed to the silicon chips inside your heads!
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RE: Businesses tell Microsoft
windozefreak 3rd Nov 2010
@Graham Ellison
I did not see anywhere anyone said you had to udate/upgrade, just in their opinion was a good move due to their estimate of operating benefits. However you hatred of Microsoft come through loud and clear, lemmins, garbage, etc. We acknowledge! However, I think most of us think the limmen is the espouser! Thank you for playing!
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Ready to be lackeys with their hard-earned dollars in hand.

People will upgrade eventually, only they'll do it on their own time. Not on Redmond's time. Not on M$'s paid zdnet shills' time. Not on print or internet IT publication's time.

That's just the way it is. Better get used to it, shills.
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chrome_slinky@... 3rd Nov 2010
@Cylon Centurion 0005

Refresh my memory, please, as to why replacing a perfectly good OS with something new at a cost of $100+ per seat, plus possible hardware, plus training, is monetarily sound?

All of Microsoft's drivel about security is just that, drivel, as it has been shown that most of the patches of this past year affect all versions of Windows back to Win2K, showing not only that Microsoft has not fixed many problems, but that the company doesn't learn from past mistakes.
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Well if you have a refresh coming
Cylon Centurion 3rd Nov 2010
@chrome_slinky@...

Then there is no need to ATM
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RE: Businesses tell Microsoft
Jeremy-UK 3rd Nov 2010
@Cylon Centurion 0005 Wasting money? How so? Most (SME) customers I know don't upgrade their OS, they buy a computer and use it, they never upgrade the OS. If they're going to get Windows 7 then it'll be installed when they get their system.

Enterprise customers always blow away what the system comes with and re-image the system - and XP is still the usual OS. Many have lots of internally developed apps (often of dubious quality - to be totally frank) that for whatever reason don't run properly on Windows 7 without "XP Compatibility Mode" and they just see that as a resource hog and an extra layer of complexity (after all, all their stuff runs in XP...)

I've not seen this "rush to Windows 7", I do have a couple of clients with some Windows 7, a few with Vista and a lot who are on XP. They don't see a business case.

This all sounds like Microsoft hype. Sure the move to Windows 7 will happen, everyday sees more Windows 7, and eventually getting Windows XP to run on modern hardware will get hard - but this isn't a "rush". It is more a drift, oddly Microsoft don't seem to have gotten the message about Windows 7 across - amazing I know.

Thing is, people don't buy computers to run operating systems, they buy computers to run applications - I can't think of any business facing applications that actually require Windows 7 rather than XP, and until there are some then there won't often be that compelling business case that's required to replace old systems.
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jrdrum Updated - 4th Nov 2010
@Cylon Centurion 0005
The followers here are just Microsoft groupies. They probably still think IE is the best browser! Around here, hospitals upgrade their PC's every two years and still order them with XP
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RE: Businesses tell Microsoft
jrdrum 4th Nov 2010
@Cylon Centurion 0005
The followers here are just Microsoft groupies. They probably still think IE is the best browser! Around here, hospitals upgrade their PC's every two years and still order them with XP
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You know what? You're right
Cylon Centurion 4th Nov 2010
@jrdrum

Redmond has a secret division that does nothing but sit around a computer all day, traversing the Interwebz, with the sole goal of speaking positively about it's products, and when possible, attempt to sell it to people.


Have I told you how great Windows 7 with IE and MSE is?
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RE: Businesses tell Microsoft
Traxxion 4th Nov 2010
@Cylon Centurion 0005
Um... for one thing these things take time. Windows7 was a delayed release in any case, being a rehashed Vista upgrade. Business did notmove to Vista because it was pants.

Now, I quite like Windows7, but I do not believe there are any pressing reasons that a business REQUIRES it, except for the artificial one from MS which is 'we are not supporting it anymore'. A year and a bit is not a whole lot of time to as an ultimatum. Drivers will eventually be a factor, but there is nothing functional in Windows7. It isn't faster, better or more economical than XP in any respect worth mentioning.

One thing that popped into my head was Distributed Cache, but many companies seem to be investing in WAN accelerators instead (at a huge cost).

Anything other benefits that are going to save pots and pots of money for a business?
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Bull...
agohige 4th Nov 2010
@Cylon Centurion 0005 We are not moving on, because the hardware would have to be replaced, too many pieces of equipment (That we use) are not supported in Windows 7, As systems die, we will replace them. The XP systems have had 0 down time in 4 years. HOW do you consider that a waste of money? No down time, do not have to buy new software, do not have to buy new hardware, how is this a waste of money?
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RE: Businesses tell Microsoft
SkyBon 4th Nov 2010
@Cylon Centurion 0005
The main features of W7 are:
1) Aero
2) DirectX 10
3) Memory hog

Clearly not worth for businesses.
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Wow
Cylon Centurion Updated - 4th Nov 2010
@SkyBon

That's all you have? I want those 10 seconds it took to read back, please.

And if you have the time, I suggest you actually go out and use the OS, and then come back and we'll talk.
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That's what it's all about
schmandel@... 4th Nov 2010
Windows has been a sinkhole for shareholder value since before Microsoft introduced new ways for users to waste time on pointlessly ornamented documents and similar such feel-good nonsense. The magnitude of this loss of productivity is comparable to the US national debt: it will never be recovered.
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how is it wasting money. . .
Who Am I Really 4th Nov 2010
@Cylon Centurion 0005
to use my older hardware while it still functions, and not buy anything,
buying something unnecessary is wasting money

using what I already have is not

I find it more wasteful to toss out perfectly functional systems just because it won't run the latest OS
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RE: Businesses tell Microsoft
Kenogami 5th Nov 2010
@Cylon Centurion 0005 It's your opinion, Win 7, an enhanced version of Vista. When does the crap hit the fan? Can you send me some money? I'd like to waste it on new systems also. I stayed away from Vista and 2000, all were junk. Time will tell about Win7. And yes it takes time, which has not come yet.
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Wasting money:
james.vandamme 8th Nov 2010
@Cylon Centurion 0005 Spending it on Windoze7 instead of Linux. Especially when you have to buy new computers. And printers. And scanners. And Office.

I just upgraded to Ubuntu and I can still dual-boot to XP, should the need or desire ever arise.
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