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Can Microsoft cure PC makers of the crapware habit?

By | November 21, 2011, 4:28am PST

Summary: It’s easy for an OEM to screw up a new Windows PC. Just add enough trialware and throw in a few unnecessary programs, and the customer gets a miserable out-of-box experience. Microsoft is trying to fix that with its Signature PC initiative. Does it work? And can it scale?

Building a Windows PC is a cooperative process. PC makers design and build the hardware, Microsoft designs and builds the OS, and then third-party software developers join the party. If everything works together, the end result can be a joy to use. But if any part of the partnership breaks down, the poor PC buyer is the one who suffers.

Making PCs is a tough business, with low profit margins and cutthroat competition. To squeeze a few extra bucks out of every PC they sell, some OEMs cut deals to make extra money by preinstalling trial versions of software. If they can convince you to pay for an upgrade to the full version, they make a commission. But those upsell offers (also known as crapware) are annoying, and in the worst case they can slow a PC noticeably.

On top of that, some OEMs feel compelled to “add value” to their hardware by bundling software programs and utilities that duplicate functions already available in Windows. And they can get downright sloppy about the things that really do matter, like updates and drivers.

Over the last decade I have written a lot about this problem. In 2006, I asked Why do new PCs come with so much junkware? In the darkest days of Windows Vista, in early 2008, I found a Sony VAIO PC that represented a truly awful PC experience:

This gorgeous machine was ugly in action: slow to start, sluggish when performing everyday tasks, crash-prone, and overloaded with annoying and unwanted software. But is it really a hopeless case, or was this system done in by the rush to market and a sloppy OEM integration?

In an interview at the time, a Sony senior executive candidly admitted that the problem was all theirs, calling his company’s PCs “the poster child for negative experiences people had [with trialware].”

I was able to fix that PC with a clean install and hours of fine-tuning. But that approach doesn’t scale and should never have been necessary.

Now, three years later, I’m curious. Have OEMs cleaned up their act? Are today’s Windows PCs still a mess or do consumers have a fighting chance?

Fortunately, I found a nearly perfect sample set that also included its own control group. Microsoft sells PCs through the Microsoft Store, both online and in 14 retail outlets in the United States. Those machines are configured with a custom Windows installation that the company calls Microsoft Signature. The rules are stringent:

  • No trialware, and no unnecessary startup programs.
  • The desktop is clean, with no gadgets, no icons (except for the Recycle Bin), and no unnecessary system try icons.
  • Microsoft’s free antivirus software is installed and activated, and Windows Update is configured to install updates automatically.
  • The Microsoft Signature theme pack, with images drawn from the same pool as those used on Bing, is installed and set as the default background.
  • Windows Live Essentials, Office 2010 Starter Edition (not a trialware product), and Zune software are installed and all activations are performed.
  • No added mouse/keyboard navigation systems are allowed beyond the Windows Start menu and taskbar.

In addition, the installations are up-to-date, with the latest service packs and updates applied. And the final product includes 90 days of free support from Microsoft.

The goal is to make the experience of using a PC better—not just on unboxing day but for the life of the PC.

So, two months ago, I picked up three pairs of new consumer notebooks, one pair each from HP, Samsung, and Sony. In each case, the hardware was identical but the installed software was different, with one model containing the OEM’s standard consumer installation and the other built to Microsoft Signature specs. The differences were eye-opening.

Here, for example, is the out-of-box desktop experience Samsung delivered to customers in 2011. And yes, this PC has trialware offers from both Norton and McAfee.

Here’s the same experience, delivered via Microsoft Signature:

I’ll have full details about all three pairs of PCs in a follow-up post next week, but here are some high-level conclusions:

  • Whatever joy you might feel on unboxing a new PC evaporates quickly if you have to spend hours setting it up. The out-of-box experience with a Signature PC is strikingly better.
  • PC OEMs have cut back on trialware, but they haven’t broken the habit. The upsell nags for antivirus software are particularly annoying on OEM PCs.
  • OEMs continue to insist on superfluous control panels, toolbars, and desktop docks that do nothing for usability.
  • Extra software causes usability headaches for even simple tasks, like playing a DVD or downloading pictures.
  • The Signature PCs are faster to start up, by an average of 10-15 seconds, but the differences in usability are even more important.

The problem with Microsoft Signature right now is a matter of scale. With only 14 physical stores, the company can reach only a fraction of PC buyers directly, and most people have no idea that the online store sells roughly 60 name-brand notebook and desktop PCs (plus a few tablets) all configured using Microsoft Signature.

Would I recommend a Microsoft Signature PC? For someone who doesn’t have the time or the technical skills to do a clean Windows install, absolutely. Removing all that trialware and simplifying the experience makes a PC faster and easier to use.

Back in 2009, when Microsoft opened its retail store in Scottsdale, Arizona, I visited the store with a friend, who purchased a Dell notebook running Windows 7. That machine was one of the first delivered under the Microsoft Signature program, and it has been problem-free ever since. When they replace that PC in a year or two, I have no doubt they’ll go back to the same store.

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RE: Can Microsoft cure PC makers of the crapware habit?
rdevereux 6th Dec
I do find this article interesting but more because Microsoft Signature replaces one lot of crapware with another than because it offers a trouble-free environment. I know MS are out to make money but why bundle Bing(which is a hopelessly flawed and second-place search engine compared to google), Windows Live Essentials(which only offer a reasonable email client amongst the other bloatware most of which people dont want) or Office S
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RE: Can Microsoft cure PC makers of the crapware habit?
Return_of_the_jedi Updated - 21st Nov
Where would they put crap-ware on Win8 metro? Your shots are of Win7.
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@Return_of_the_jedi

Windows 8 is not even in beta yet. (It's been released as a developer preview.)

PCs running Windows 7 will be sold for another year at the very least. And Windows 8 will still have a desktop experience that OEMs can screw up.
@Ed Bott: ... described. Most of MS's parters in PC business almost earn no money comparing to these crazy billions MS earns, so the company could not possibly force them to cut themselves off even of these puny dimes from software developers.

Nor Microsoft can start huge worldwide "Buy Signature PC" marketing campaign, since it will immediately expose and undermine all of the sellers of "junk", thus hurting their businesses.

So MS will continue this Signature PCs to be a low profile "proof of concept" experience thing as an answer to these critics of MS who claim the company does not care about user experience and does not strive for perfection.

They care and they strive, but business people run the show there, not consumer-driven ones. They can not let down their business partners.

W8 tiled UI might be the attempt to go to the right direction -- Apple-like controlled environment that would allow eliminate junkware problem at least with the tiled UI mode.
@Ed Bott Windows 8 has reset to factory defaults as I remember and it is supposed to clean out all that junkware out of PC. If it does not then it would be abother failure of Microsoft.
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@Ed Bott

As long as there is available PC builders software all I am planning on upgrading with my available custom computers is a touch screen monitor. Right now I have my own basic installed programs that I plan on trimming since reading this article; like Adobe Flash Player and Adobe Reader latest versions. I wouldn't have thought to activate Office Starter Edition? Since with Windows 7 Professional I just load Virtual PC and Windows XP Mode. So that just as with Media Player it has to be activated by the client.

I do however install all current updates and offer a second hard drive option with a backup image of the oem install, operational software with the purpose of continued scheduled backups.
@Ed Bott

True, that is what I am really worried about. That is the main reason actually why when I get a computer, the FIRST thing I do is a fresh installation and, if necessary, crack the OS so that it will run properly.
@Ed Bott Microsoft only cares about the license fee. The OEM has to be concerned about the price. This is the end result of the race to the bottom. The typical Window buyer is looking fir the lowest price, to achieve that th OEMs need to subsidize the price. It is either going to be the trial ware, or Microsoft will have to lower the price of Windows, and allow the OEMs to replace Microsofts middleware.
@Ed Bott
This is the end result of the race to the bottom. The typical Window buyer is looking fir the lowest price

That is not factual, as mid range machines are the most purchased PC's.

The low end machines you speak of do not sell in the quantities needed to sustain a PC based company, thus proving your statement to be highly unfactual.
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And Windows 8 will still have a desktop experience that OEMs can screw up.

And that's not something to be proud of, Ed.

Just sayin' wink
@Return_of_the_jedi...

I have an even better question: why is Mr. Bott assuming it's always the fault of crapware and add-ons,when he himself admits:

"I was able to fix that PC with a clean install and hours of fine-tuning."

Notice the last part of that sentence, where hours were wasted in tuning a stock OS to the hardware. I doubt those hours were all spent in downloading drivers, so why the necessity of tuning the OS if it's so gosh-darn wonderful, and that the only reason it sucks in the eyes of most just has to be those nasty evil OEMs?

IMHO, the truth lies in between. Windows has issues and problems, and no amount of finger-pointing or whitewash will get rid of that simple fact. OEMs (and stores!) do have a bad habit of loading down machines with garbage apps and trialware BS.

OTOH, I'm typing this missive on a Samsung RC512. I uninstalled the obvious garbageware (Best Buy, I'm looking at you), and was able to clear off the A/V and other "OAMG please buy me!!11" crap in less than an hour. However, I kept the Cyberlink apps on it (for any Blu-Ray discs that I occasionally play), and they've all run without a hitch.

OTOH, I still see most of the same Windows problems that I see on a HP Elitebook 8440p that runs a clean install, tuned and tweaked for maximum performance (the HP has Windows 7 Pro, while the Samsung has Home Premium, which explains the diff).

All that said, Ed's not telling the whole story. Certainly OEM crapware additions and bork-ups are a big part of the problem, but his buddies at Microsoft need to eat their fair share of the blame as well.

Otherwise, why doesn't he just buy the damned machinery at a Microsoft Store, where the computers there are allegedly free of crapware?
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@Random_Walk

The reference I provided was to a Sony PC back in 2008, shipped with Windows Vista in early 2007 when it was just released. I went into great detail what I had to do with that system to make it work. You would know that if you clicked the link and read the story.

The three PCs I looked at here are not remotely in that class. Every single one started up in 30-50 seconds and was fully usable.
@Random_Walk - obviously if you are adept at doing clean installs you run windows update as your first bit of business. I recently did this on a Win 7 premium machine, ther were 253 updates available, I have a very highspeed connection and this updating took approximately 2 hours to download and install. Most of the download is SP1 but there are some 75 updates since that was released plus on the second pass it updated drivers. I have installed Ubuntu on systems and this is comparable to the time it took to install and do all the necessary updates as well. I have now created an image so that in future I will just overlay the image and forego the update hassles but there will still be some updates that will have to be installed and these take time. Crapware is a problem as installed now, what should be done is make a directory and write software to inform new users as to what it contains, what the various software does and then offer to install if the user really wants it, but it shouldn't come up as nag screens and interfere with the operation of the OS.
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The Apple Model
norgate 22nd Nov
@Random_Walk

Ed never tells the whole story. It's never in his interest. All OEM's "recommend" Windows. Their inability to provide a truly differentiated experience leads them down this path. Open Architecture dies by the sword it lives by. Can we really ask the OEMs to present a Windows sanitized user experience? What about Open Architecture's sanctimonious lobby on behalf of choice? Choice of what exactly? Different shapes and colours of extruded plastic? When it becomes clear that the hardware is not sufficiently differentiated (intel chipsets), the software is not differentiated (Window's French Vanilla) and the purchase experience is either a bullpen or a "Windows Store", it becomes quite clear where the real and substantive choice lies.

Need a clue? The Windows store is a thinly veiled knockoff of a certain competitor. They can't even differentiate there, where there are no constraints. It's clear to everyone where the leadership is coming from.

This cannot however be yet another excuse to compliment ourselves on how technically savvy we are and how we can remove our own crapware. Most users want clear, out-of-the-box functionality. Not solicitous appeals for digital snake oil. In this respect Ed is right. His little Sony excursion does not scale. Every user can't have his own Ed.

Where he is wrong? The false "PC" market has depended on the illusion of choice. Negating that illusion throws all PCs into a single tar ball. The false marketplace fails and the real one takes over. In the real marketplace, real choice is much more limited. Ed's platform of choice now has to compete for real. There is a good chance it may lose more devotees. This has a cumulative effect. OEMs stop bolstering the platform and start diluting it. If the experience of use is sold as a homogeneous one, all the OEMs are seen as team members, not competitors. The choice for a single computer from a single OEM is seen as a fragment of the platform. Meanwhile, Apple sells a conduit to a complete "use experience". One that is fully 2-3 years ahead in the areas that consumers care about.
@Random_Walk: Pro isn't more efficient than Home Premium, that's just nonsense. Of course Windows isn't perfect, show me an OS that is? They're complicated creatures.
@Random_Walk And what would be the performance difference between Home Premium and Professional. And how about Ultimate? (And I'm not talking about artificial limits on CPU and memory that those versions differ by)
@Return_of_the_jedi
The crapware experience is made worse by the fact that most systems ship without a physical copy of Windows. It used to be easier just to flatten the hard drive and install drivers than to mess with uninstalling the crapware, but no mas.
@rshol As long as you have some physical copy available. its the product key that controls your licensing - not the media the OS was installed from. You can use any old Windows 7 install DVD as long as you activate it with the product key that goes with your machine which will be on the Microsoft sticker on the outside of the computer. If you have a technet or MSDN subscription (or have a friend who does) you can easily download installation media for use with your existing product key - or just borrow a DVD from a friend who has one - as long as you use your own product key
@cornpie: Incorrect. I tried that methodology when I bought my wife a new HP laptop last year. Blew out the factory install along with the crapware and reinstalled Windows 7 with my retail copy of Windows along with the key on the laptop and it would not activate. I called the MS activation hotline and they explained to me (the MS Partner at my office concurred with this) that the retail and OEM keys are generated differently and require those specific versions of Windows in order to be activated. She was nice enough to activate it for me (she understood my situation), but I did go online and locate a "clean" HP OEM version of Windows to use in the future.
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Joe_Raby Updated - 21st Nov
@cornpie

You *license* controls your licensing. Your product key is just an anti-piracy measure. If you have a multiple licenses to use Windows, it doesn't really matter where your product key and media come from - so long as they are official channels, and not pirated copies. If you have one product key and one matching media that supports your product key, you can use whatever installation media you have so long as you still abide by your licensing terms. This is one of the things that Microsoft has said before (unofficially, of course) to Action Pack members that have licensing to run an application, but haven't had it posted to the Action Pack download site on time. Since the Action Pack also includes a TechNet Plus account, they can download and use the software from there for internal-use if it isn't available on the MAPS download page yet. TechNet Plus downloads are not meant for production use, so this would ordinarily be taboo, but since you already have a license to run that EXACT SAME piece of software in question (assuming it is the same SKU and edition), there are certain unofficial stipulations around availability that Microsoft will allow for.
I tried that methodology when I bought my wife a new HP laptop last year. Blew out the factory install along with the crapware and reinstalled Windows 7 with my retail copy of Windows along with the key on the laptop and it would not activate.

Wow, what a hassle. It shouldn't make any difference since it's the same software.

I called the MS activation hotline and they explained to me (the MS Partner at my office concurred with this) that the retail and OEM keys are generated differently and require those specific versions of Windows in order to be activated.

Well if you don't have an OEM disc, what are you going to use? They don't even ship one with your system unless you specifically ask for it, and how much longer do you think they'll even do that? Even as a (requested) option?

She was nice enough to activate it for me (she understood my situation), but I did go online and locate a "clean" HP OEM version of Windows to use in the future.

Where did you get that?

And it will work with your key on the bottom of the machine?
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The best rule of thumb is that if you got a new PC that has a legitimate key for the version of Windows you use, you can use whatever means to reinstall that same version of Windows back on the PC. Microsoft has essentially violated numerous consumer protection laws by having OEM manufacturers apply a product key sticker for a Windows version that does not completely match up with the OEM key and/or Windows version that was actually installed. Normally the average person doesn't see this discrepency because -- at least up until recently -- if you wanted to reinstall, say, XP Pro, all you needed was any XP Pro CD (more often than not, a Dell one) and then just enter the XP Pro key code off the sticker. I personally had only seen a couple of issues -- again up until very recently -- over the years with the OEM XP version conflicting somehow with using a generic XP installation CD for reinstalling, and those instances only involved HP's (with the last instance knocking HP products way down on my OK to buy list.)

As far as that "until very recently" bit goes, over the weekend I was asked to look at this oldish Acer notebook with a Vista key sticker but which had actually shipped with the XP "downgrade." What had happened was that out of the blue and after years of use, the people using it (grandparents of a friend of mine) started getting a message that went "You may be a victim of software counterfeiting. This copy of Windows did not pass genuine Windows validation."

Very curiously I saw a similar message just a few weeks prior on a netbook running Win7 Starter that had not been used for a couple of months or so. Fixing that without reinstalling meant journeying through a labyrinth of BS recommendations before I figured out that I had to reset the product key, which was apparently set to an OEM key, and then reactivate with the sticker key. As far as why this happened, I assumed then it was just Microsoft being Microsoft.

So when this old Acer started acting similarly, I thought to investigate further before simply removing the problem. As it turned out, the XP downgrade on the Acer was done via an OEM volume license key (VLK) as is apparently generally the case with volume manufacturers like Acer. But what happened was that the VLK got revoked for the Acer because it was supposedly in the wrong region!?!

So apparently Microsoft has been toying with their flaky WGA app and in the course of a few weeks, I come across two instances with that screwing up. In the netbook's case, the needed key code (once you knew enough to reset the OEM key) was on a convenient sticker, but the Acer, though, as was the case for many a Vista PC, had been downgraded to XP but with the Vista key sticker left intact. Once my curiosity was satisfied, I made the error message go away and did a full, clean, update of the system while I was at it (staying with XP.)

As to why both these things happened in such a short time from each other -- maybe, again, it was just simply Microsoft being Microsoft....
@cornpie OEM and Retail don't mix. Different pricing and EULA. In his case the Retail version would install, but the activation had to be done over the phone... That is expected. An OEM from a computer manufacturer v and OEM from your local computer shop may both install, but a key from one may not work with another, so, make the phone call. The Phone activation works pretty well.
@rshol You can download a .ISO image for Windows 7 (legitimately) from Digital River and use the product key on the COA sticker to install and reactivate it. No problems.
@adacosta38, @cornpie

Ya'll are of course correct. Should have thought of that.
@adacosta38
Hell, an official copy downloaded from the pirate bay is legal. The product key that you own is your license
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@bean520

ABSOLUTELY 100% WRONG!

The Pirate Bay doesn't have a license to redistribute the software, so this is the equivalent of taking something off the back of a truck.

Besides that, why would you trust a website that is known to use Javascript exploits, not to mention that you have absolutely no way to tell if it's been modified?

Your license is the following: a product key and COA sticker containing said key, a matching AUTHORIZED installation media of Windows (can be a recovery partition from an OEM, not tangible media), and some kind of instructional guide and support information (can be in electronic form by your OEM).
@Joe_Raby

"The Pirate Bay doesn't have a license to redistribute the software, so this is the equivalent of taking something off the back of a truck."

No, it is like buying online and picking it up via a 3rd party. So long as you stick to your own bought license it is legal.

"Besides that, why would you trust a website that is known to use Javascript exploits, not to mention that you have absolutely no way to tell if it's been modified?"

A) TPB itself HAS NEVER used Javascript exploits, the people responsible was the advertisers. Advertisers who are probably advertising on many legit sites too. Just use NoScript or AdBlock.

B)This is where the user reputation system of TPB comes into play. A green or purple skull and crossbones next to their name is a sign that the uploader is trusted

"Your license is the following: a product key and COA sticker containing said key, a matching AUTHORIZED installation media of Windows (can be a recovery partition from an OEM, not tangible media), and some kind of instructional guide and support information (can be in electronic form by your OEM)."

wrong, again. ANY COPY without illegal modifications (added pirate software, etc.) is fair game for local use, look up 'slipstreaming' with regards to Windows if you don't believe me. It IS illegal to distribute slipstreamed CDs publicly, even if you distribute a deactived (and therefore legally valid) key with it.

Please correct me if I am wrong tho happy
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You are still wrong
Joe_Raby 21st Nov
@bean520:

"No, it is like buying online and picking it up via a 3rd party. So long as you stick to your own bought license it is legal."

No it is still wrong, because it doesn't come from official channels and the media won't necessarily match your product key. If Microsoft doesn't sanction the distribution on The Pirate Bay (they don't), then it isn't legal.

"ANY COPY without illegal modifications (added pirate software, etc.) is fair game for local use, look up 'slipstreaming' with regards to Windows if you don't believe me. It IS illegal to distribute slipstreamed CDs publicly, even if you distribute a deactived (and therefore legally valid) key with it."

You can slipstream updates into Windows all you want for personal or business use ASSUMING YOU HAVE THE RIGHTS TO A GENERIC INSTALLATION MEDIA KIT THAT ALLOWS THAT (this is why they have a deployment toolkit), but it's illegal to distribute and/or download unofficially distributed copies of the OS without Microsoft's permission. PERIOD.

Everything on The Pirate Bay is illegal. That's the point.

Just FYI: System builders aren't allow to distribute recovery media for a computer. Sure, they can preinstall Windows with whatever drivers and software customizations they want, but they aren't allowed to give a customer a set of reinstallation DVD's or a removeable USB stick with a recovery solution. Why? Same reasons as above. Essentially it's Microsoft copyright and IP licensing restrictions. The only removeable set of installation bits for Windows that are allowed to be distributed with a computer by a system builder is the hologram DVD (name brands have different rights). That's it! I may not be a lawyer, but I have legal councel read these licensing rights and dissect them, so I know what they limit and permit. I have to, because I'm also a Microsoft Partner.
@adacosta38 @darthmongo @darthmongo
Darthmongo is the onlyone correct here.
Straight from the horses mouth
Q. If I need to reinstall the operating system on a machine from a direct OEM (e.g., Dell) that my customer has brought in, how should I do this?

A. A customer who wants you to reinstall Windows must provide recovery media from the direct OEM, because the software is licensed to the customer for use on that PC by that OEM. You cannot use your own OEM System Builder media to reinstall the operating system, or any other version of media (e.g., TechNet, MSDN, Action Pack, etc.), because these versions differ from the original OEM Windows license your customer acquired from the direct OEM. A customer who doesn't have a backup copy of the software for reinstallation will need to contact the original OEM and request replacement recovery media; you can use that media to reinstall the operating system on that machine.
Link for those who require proof: http://www.microsoft.com/oem/en/licensing/sblicensing/pages/licensing_faq.aspx#faq3
@adacosta38 Here is something I did over the weekend: Had an old (6yrs) Pavilion die on me this weekend. On the machine was a boxed upgrade to Windows 7 Home Premium. I have a Toshiba netbook with starter on it. I put the Home Premium on this netbook, using the product key of the boxed version. Had a little problem getting activation to take. Called MS activaction unit and they help me fix it in a flash. The young lady who helped me said that if I had to reinstall in the furture and had problem with the activation, they would be glad to help. Seems like they just want to know if you have paid for copy!
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Your license is the following: a product key and COA sticker containing said key, a matching AUTHORIZED installation media of Windows (can be a recovery partition from an OEM, not tangible media)

Which is utter and complete garbage if that recovery partition becomes corrupted or the HD fails. Then you are sh!t_-out-of-luck.

and some kind of instructional guide and support information (can be in electronic form by your OEM).

Again, another OEM blow-off that doesn't address the issue at hand but is there to give the 'appearance' of helping solve the problem.
System builders aren't allow to distribute recovery media for a computer. Sure, they can preinstall Windows with whatever drivers and software customizations they want, but they aren't allowed to give a customer a set of reinstallation DVD's or a removeable USB stick with a recovery solution. Why? Same reasons as above. Essentially it's Microsoft copyright and IP licensing restrictions. The only removeable set of installation bits for Windows that are allowed to be distributed with a computer by a system builder is the hologram DVD (name brands have different rights).

And let's hope you do give each and every one of your customers a hologramed DVD to go with that system they just purchased. Along with a CD/DVD for driver recovery as well. I'll bet many of your fellow builders don't.

You do do that, don't you? Even if your customer doesn't request it?
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who needs cds?
vezycash 21st Nov
@rshol You do not need CD's with latests computers.... The recovery drive process makes reinstalling your computer a piece of cake. In some computers F11 while booting allows you to do this quite easily.
Believe me, its better than CD's there's is no "scratching" if you know what i mean.
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no "scratching?"
PepperdotNet 21st Nov
@vezycash unless your hard drive dies and needs to be replaced, then you're out of luck.
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lol..
ScorpioBlue 21st Nov
Sounds like @vezycash forgot about that little point!
Thanks, Ed. I've already made up my mind to order 2 Signature laptops for myself and my wife online at Microsoft. I'll do anything not to have McAfee and Symantic preinstalled on my machines. I've had so many miserable experiences with those companies including automatic yearly subscriptions to their product when you purchase them the first time. They subscribe you without warning.
@Greywoof I have had several experiences with the automatic subscriptions. They are billing a customer for something that the customer never ordered. I think that this practice is illegal. The companies that engage in it should be prosecuted.
@Greywoof Smooth move. Me too. At one time I bought Norton AV...found myself with a lot of virus problems anyway. Granted, I didn't know much about PCs at the time, but I became disenchanted quickly and found better alternatives (for free). And don't even talk to me about McAfee...same only worse. The only way I got the miserable McAfee (and the inherent program conflicts) off my system was to take my computer to a guru here in this village and have him wipe the disk (I owned the OS disks). A decade later, I avoid as much crapware as possible but it keeps trying to find me through those tricky download pages that are built to fake you out and cause you to select a 'button' that is their crap instead of the program you really wanted. If one uses the internet, one must pay attention...constantly.
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@OldGrayWolf

Sad, but, true. I envision a time when this will happen to all other operating systems in the not too distant future. It's a question of marketshare. My long time Apple user friends are beginning to agree with me. Linux users, not so much.. they seem to be of a different 'ilk' for such things... But, the long-timers of each seem to see the correlation between marketshare/acceptance, and the pros/cons that tend to favor the lowest common denominator as a 'target of opportunity'. New players just set their sights on dominance, and forego it's inherent enlargement as a target, to their detriment.
Sadly this is not new. From the very introduction of the 'personal computer' it has always been best to format the hard drive immediately upon un-boxing and powering-on the device, and then perform a clean install from the source media. I don't expect this to change anytime soon. If a company can make a tenth of a cent per unit by trashing your new computer, then they will. Providing a superior experience with a computer is the focus of only one maker, and they don't use MS Windows. All the rest are in it for a quick buck and maintain the attitude 'to hell with the customer'. This is perhaps why only that one company seems to do well in customer surveys, while all the rest (even the one which makes my favorite hardware) get slammed.

Regards,
Jon
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Wow...sounds like Microsoft is mimicking Apple--and not just with retail stores. Most consumers aren't techies; they vie for a simple computing experience. Simple is better.

Phil Simon
www.theageoftheplatform.com
@philsimonsystems: The idea was squashed on anti-trust grounds.
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totally agree
elCharles 21st Nov
@philsimonsystems

I totally agree, Finally they figure that if they put together their own machines, they have complete control of , dare I use this phrase, 'user experience', specifically to this article the 'out-of-box' experience.

One company to control hardware, os, and delivered software; Clearly an apple concept.
@elCharles

Wrong..... they are still going to allow other companies to make hardware, software, etc. and make PC's. They are just going to say that to get the "Signature" branding, they have to meet certain basic standards.
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About a year ago my wife bought a new HP laptop. First off, the level of crapware was much less than I had seen on systems in years past. Second, the first thing I did when we took it out of the box was go to Programs and Features and go on an uninstalling campaign. It actually worked quite well and the offending software turned out to be easily removed.

I think that if the OEMs wanted to really make things better, a good compromise might be to install nothing but just provide a menu of options, sort of like what they have already been forced to do with web browsers in the EU. Something like this http://browserchoice.eu/BrowserChoice/browserchoice_en.htm .The installers could already be on the hard drive and the OEM's could still collect their money for the priviledge, but the software would not actually be installed unless the user says yes to it. Then, of course there should be the "go away and leave me alone" option for those of us who already know exactly what we want.
The worst crapware is the anti-virus software trial installations, which you can never, ever completely remove, despite going with another vendor, free or otherwise. So you get stupid startup failure messages on your PC after attempting to remove it, and unless you do a "nuke and pave", you're stuck with it. That's just one of the many, many reasons I switched to Mac - zero crapware.
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@thetwonkey

Wow, I totally agree with you (up to the Mac/move) and that is unfortunate, being an MS fan myself. The only way I've seen actually work to avoid this crazy 4th party (if I may..) software free for all pile on, is to go to an actual Microsoft store and have them perform a 'clean install' themselves. Most other avenues lead to a less-than-optimal (being generous) installation. I have had way too many friends/relatives call me for help as their machines almost held them at ransom until they went through and purchased 'necessary upgrades'. And, to boot, I've seen the terrible results from them denying such extortionist requests. Microsoft's OS, anti-virus, and offerings, as they should be seen, are being undermined by it's own retail chain with extorting/garbage ware. Sad that if they fight any of it, another law suit would be forthcoming.
I do find this article interesting but more because Microsoft Signature replaces one lot of crapware with another than because it offers a trouble-free environment. I know MS are out to make money but why bundle Bing(which is a hopelessly flawed and second-place search engine compared to google), Windows Live Essentials(which only offer a reasonable email client amongst the other bloatware most of which people dont want) or Office S

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