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Can Windows 8 finally vanquish the ghosts of XP and Vista?

By | July 15, 2011, 5:10am PDT

Summary: These days, Microsoft is haunted by two ghosts. Windows Vista has practically vanished, but Windows XP is still hanging around on stage, interfering with Microsoft’s careful messaging. Can Windows 8 finally lay XP to rest?

If you’re a Windows watcher, circle this date on your calendar: April 10, 2012.

That’s the date when mainstream support for Windows Vista officially ends. And it cannot come soon enough for Microsoft, whose public image was badly damaged by the massively unliked Vista. If the rumors about a possible Windows 8 release in April 2012 are true, it will be an almost perfect changing of the guard.

But vanquishing the ghost of Windows Vista is the easy challenge for Microsoft. Windows XP is still hanging around on stage, bumping into scenery and generally interfering with Microsoft’s careful messaging about all the cool and useful stuff it’s doing today.

I thought about that date as I watched the keynote addresses from this week’s Microsoft Worldwide Partner Conference in Los Angeles. Some of the people I follow on Twitter were disappointed that Microsoft didn’t divulge more details about Windows 8 or even publicly release a platform preview.

That shouldn’t have been surprising. WPC is, after all, a show for partners who are out there selling Microsoft products every day. Yes, they want to know what’s coming up, but they’re far more interested in the present. And for their (mostly business) customers, there are only two Windows choices these days: the 10-year-old XP and the still-new Windows 7. It’s almost like Vista never happened.

Consider the words of Chief Operating Officer Kevin Turner, who told a packed audience, “Windows XP, Office 2003, and Internet Explorer 6 deserve a standing ovation. We love those products.” As Turner noted, those products made Microsoft and its partners a lot of money. After a pause for dramatic effect, he added, “But they’re dead.”

Oh dear. I guess that means 300 million PCs still powered by Windows XP are zombies, and we all know how hard those are to kill. Which might explain why Corporate Vice President Tami Reller was practically pleading with partners to help them migrate customers away from XP “to a modern OS.”

That’s happening, slowly. XP has lost roughly 10 percent of its share over the past year and should be below the 50% mark by the time Vista support ends next year.

But the paradox for Microsoft is that businesses—notoriously conservative and slow to adopt new technology—are most likely to embrace Windows 7 when it’s old news. When it comes to Windows, businesses like being on the last version, not the current one. When Windows 8 is released, it will instantly make Windows 7 the safe choice for businesses. Not rational, I know, but that’s how the psychology works.

More than anything else, Microsoft is looking forward to shipping Windows 8 so it can finally get back on a regular cadence with its operating system releases: the current one for consumers and early-adopter businesses, the previous one for conservative businesses and cheapskate consumers. With Vista finally out of the mix, that proposition will finally make sense again.

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GrandmasterAsh Updated - 17th Apr
People saying there business is fine with XP are kidding themselves after April 2014 there are no further patches for XP so with that news you should be upgrading to a support OS by then.

Business that don't upgrade are going to be the typical non-managed environments where users can freely do anything they want on their machines ..... this is the place where XP will exist along with all the other problems that plague these type of environments.

Im guessing the poeple saying they will be staying on XP for the next ten years will also be using CRT monitors, still using Netscape Navigator and ICQ cos if it it works dont fix it! Pull the other one.
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I see it still having a significant market share even 10 years from now, probably around 10 to 15 percent. There are some users who are just completely satisfied with the OS and will just run it into the ground. Also, there are a lot of capable machines that still run Windows XP, does what user needs, access the Internet, email, word processing and they are happy with that. Even when developers end supporting their applications on it, people will stick with it, even after the 2014 deadline. Windows 95 support ended in late 2001, yet I saw machines for years still running it and still on rare occasions. We should also take into account, a lot of machines running Windows XP out there are pirated, those users either are not interested in upgrading their installations, machines too old to be upgraded. can't because of the their non-genuine status or are afraid of repercussions.

So Microsoft needs to realize, some systems will simply remain forever Windows XP.
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@Mr. Dee

Rare occasions /= 10 to 15% market share.

Xp's share will drop off drastically in the next coming months. If anything it'll forever then remain in the few tenths of a percent range.

I don't care about that though, if they wish to remain then so be it, just as long as they don't take to the Internet and complain over and over about being ignored by Microsoft and Co when new technologies appear on the market, as they have been doing.
@Cylon Centurion "Xp's share will drop off drastically in the next coming months"

I've heard that before....

The days of buying a new home pc because of a new OS (pause for effect) Are DEAD.
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Let's look at it another way
Joe_Raby 15th Jul
@Bodazapha

And the days of home PC's that last longer than a 3-year average are LONG dead.
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With current budget fight
FADS_z 15th Jul
@Cylon Centurion
Goverment is reluctant to upgrade machines. Written from XP...
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@Cylon Centurion

Hey Joe, I've got two 2006 PCs and one 2005 laptop, all running XP and they are all doing just fine.

At work, we have 80% of our PC's still running XP, almost 4000 of them. The reason is simple: they run our main apps better than Windows 7, and they are paid for. We no longer do "tech refresh" at all, only replacement of dead PCs. And our PCs just keep holding on. In fact I trust the older boxes more than I do the new ones, which show a big drop in workmanship.
@Cylon Centurion
We must not forget by discontinuing support for products you have made and forcing consumers to buy their newer product is a disservice to the comsumer. I think it should continue as long as the OS or product will perform. And rightly so people should complain they bought their product - now support it, for 20 years if necessary.
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As of May 2011, XP was still 37.9% of Windows OSes. 7, 29.7%, Vista 13%.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Operating_system_usage_share.svg
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The vast majority, by far who do stick with Windows XP in the coming years are not at all complainers about not having the newest tech, in fact far from it. The ones who do stick with XP for the foreseeable future will be those who care little about what the newest tech can do, they will be the ones who ask why they should pay to switch when they are in fact perfectly happy with what they have. You always have to keep in mind that to this day there are many out there who do not use XP for all that it can do and have no real use for anything that upgrades them to further features and capabilities they are not going to use.

Around here the multiple millions of the common man are so often forgotten. Its often the way when discussions like this take place among those in the know in any industry. What they know, want and often need to be happy in their field of work and life is typically far above and beyond what the average person needs to have, or even wants.
@dats_ripe I bet you're also upset that nobody's making parts for a 1965 Valiant anymore. Damn auto industry forcing upgrades!
@Lester Young: "I bet you're also upset that nobody's making parts for a 1965 Valiant anymore. Damn auto industry forcing upgrade"

Bad example, my truck is considerably older than Windows XP and I have no problems getting parts.
@wzrobin

And you won't be able to buy new parts when parts suppliers no longer make money selling them.
@dats_ripe

I disagree. Any business, especially technology companies, are looking forward, not backwards, and have limited resources. Keeping outdated products alive and center would only hurt forward progress, and put dents in their business model.
@Cylon Centurion ... You're right; new technologies are appearing. But none of them interest me nor do me any good nor have a short learning curve. XP does all I need; why change? It's stable, reliable, secure now, and pretty well polished.
If you want the latest and greatest, fine; go get it. But I don't and don't fix things that ain't broke. Gads, look at the learning curve just for win 7. It's only Vista wth a new look; what will 8 be? 7 with a new look? I've been around long enough and watches enough "most secure ever" lies during installations to know better than to believe anything MS says. Even if they turn off my XP like they did for the Chinese, I'll turn it back on and keep using it.
@Cylon Centurion
Wrong....XP will remain a significant share of all pc's installed for years to come, especially in the business and government areas. Costs will be the major factor.

The cost for rewriting tons of customized software, The costs of replacing existing applications, the costs of replacing hardware, the costs of installing all that hardware, and the fact that these systems run "good enough", will keep XP and these systems running for years to come. XP will only be phased over a long time as new hardware is purchased to replace those system that are no longer repairable.

If it aint broke, don't fix it. And these organizations won't either.
@Cylon Centurion I don't know if you guys agree, but currently I am using windows 7 and even that version is not fully compatible with many things and microsoft is planning to launch windows 8.
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@Mr. Dee > the libral EULA that came with Windows XP just keeps on giving and giving. As long as updates can be downloaded up to SP3 there is every reason to hold out. Most anyone doesn't need more then 4GB memory. As for Vista, I swapped my 32bit copy out for Windows7 64bit after four years. It had issues from the start that Windows7 has proven over time to be solid with its new Minwin kernel.(Success!)
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Sooner than you think
Lester Young 15th Jul
@Mr. Dee

http://gs.statcounter.com/#os-ww-daily-20091005-20110714

XP is declining at a pretty good rate and its share is increasingly dominated by pirate XP markets in Asia and Africa.
@Mr. Dee
My company is just starting to replace their seven plus year old machines with new Dells, and they are putting XP as the OS on the new machines.
@brianric
I did a few deploys where Windows 7 was removed and XP installed. One problem was no drivers to run tools used for engine diagnostic. Another case was Hotel guest system will not run on Windows 7.
@Mr. Dee I don't think it's possible for systems to be running XP ten years from now. Let's take Windows 98 for instance. Chip makers don't make drivers for it. I can't run Windows 98 on my AMD-based motherboard even if I wanted to. We'll have new standards, new versions of SATA, possibly new interfaces, etc. They'll all be carrying the latest smart phones and want them to work with their operating systems, which won't happen either. I just don't see it as viable.

As for me, one day shy of a year ago I upgraded from Windows XP... to openSUSE Linux. happy I keep telling people Linux should be targeting XP users exclusively, offering them all of the benefits of more modern OSes like Win7 with some additional unique features for little to no cost. XP users at this point apparently aren't big on compatibility anyway, so that's not a factor either. happy
@jgm@... The reason win98 will not run on updated machinery is that the OS was designed to run on systems upto 1.3Ghz single gore. eg: pentium3/4. It cannot run any faster because of how it was programmed.
@jgm@... That would be a downgrade, actually
@jgm@... Silvyrn, your comment really doesn't make much sense to me. OSes don't need to be designed to run at a certain CPU speed. In fact, I can run Win98 in a virtual machine with a core speed over 1.3GHz. The reason Win98 won't run on my motherboard (or my last one) is that there are no chipset drivers for it. The documentation for the motherboard notes that it can't run Win98 for that reason.
@nomorebs@... happy Actually I got full-disk encryption without needing to pay $185 for Win7 Ultimate, along with desktop effects, live thumbnail preview, better-than-Win7 program launcher, better SMP and memory cache support, and the other benefits of Win7 plus the excellent customizability, faster upgrade cycle and program install/management of Linux. Given that I'd made a decision between 2-3 years prior to prefer cross-platform and then open source programs if all else was equal, and a great deal of the software I was already running (from RapidMiner data mining, Scilab math package, GnuCash accounting, to VirtualBox, VLC, OpenOffice) was available on Linux so the impact of the switch was minimal. OpenSUSE is also a very "XP-like" distribution.
@Mr. Dee
My goal is to never upgrade again. I don't care about improved security since I run XP in a virtual machine on a modern alternate operating system, and disable XP's network.
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@willyampz Smart guy. You got it. Using XP that way is 100% safe, the VM is blazingly fast. Providing you are not a heavy gamer, this approach is the best. Using the "modern alternate operating system" as main OS and XP + no internet access in the VM for the few apps that still require Windows.

For those who want to experiment: use Virtualbox for VM, once XP is installed (in the VM), disable Internet by assigning static IP and leave gateway IP blank.
@Mr. Dee I know of one business that upgraded its last Windows 95 machine to Windows 98 last year. :>
Great article and I completely agree about the psychology of most businesses when it comes to adopting new software. Only thing I did not like was the reference to consumers who stick to older, trusted softwares as "cheapskate". Companies such as MS force consumers to stick to their outdated pieces of software by launching "shovelware" like Windows Vista. Not their fault, really. Of course there are other factors such as comfort level, technological awareness, financial reasons, compatibility with other software etc that can be a reason for this but mostly its because the "new and improved" version is total crap.
@scorflame

People would have upgraded to Vista if hit hadn't been crap, but it was so XP got another three years and got even more entrenched, then W7 launched in the middle of a recession so it's not surprising companies are still running loads of XP machines.
@OffsideInVancouver fair point
@OffsideInVancouver this is so true...recession is the right word ! I think we will will heavy transition from XP->7 in coming 12 months.
@OffsideInVancouver

When Vista got introduced, 1GB+ RAM was esoteric and expensive.

And Vista never worked well within those minimal hardware constraints.

I've never had any troubles with Vista provisioned with 2GB or more RAM.

Nowadays, entry level computers come default with 4 or 6GB RAM (such as a brand new laptop, dual-core from Acer at TigerDirect for less than 400 dollars).

The point is Vista was never crap as you assert, but was just in advance of the times.

Also, don't forget that corporations are cheap.
@scorflame and Ed Bott,

'When Windows 8 is released, it will instantly make Windows 7 the safe choice for businesses. Not rational, I know, but thats how the psychology works." - As a business owner I take exception to that remark. The smart business owner knows the true cost of "upgrading" and is money well wasted in most cases.

I stick to OSs that perform without fail. Just because it's the the latest and greatest doesn't mean it isn't going to dig into my bottom line in the form of constant updates, software updates that cannot keep up with MS and wind up killing some software packages. I wish I had logged all the time wasted by myself and employees who have had their PC hijacked by MS and others to do an important update, then restart the PC or constantly interrupt your work to nag you to restart your machine. Not to mention other problems this causes.

When my products leave the production floor they are complete products. Fully tested and passed Q.C. We do not have our products phoning home for an update constantly.

If MS could build a reputation of delivering bullet proof OSs each and every time they would have me upgrading more often. But, unless and until they want to compensate my business for loss of productivity and profits due to their inability to do just that then I will upgrade when the latest and greatest OS has completed its field testing by the masses and the last service pack has been issued. It's a no brainer.

Curious, Ed, are you on MS payroll?
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I am an independent journalist, on nobody's payroll.
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I am an independent journalist, on nobody's payroll.
@WayneC369

Great Post! I totally feel your pain relating to constant updating. I don't think Microsoft realizes what a productivity killer this can be, and how frustrating it is to the user who is just trying to get something done. The problem is, the updating is also there for older XP machines. By now, you would think most of the security holes had been fixed in XP. I do realize that these operating systems are under constant attack and will need the occasional update to fix new hacker induced problems, but that doesn't explain the constant, large volume, flow of updates.
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You have a PC management problem.
Lester Young 15th Jul
@WayneC369

Seriously, software updates shouldn't be causing all that lost productivity.
@WayneC369
not with the computers or OS, but have you considered getting a new IT guy who understands the products he's using?

First, the products from you production floor are not operating systems, so there really is no correlation between the two.

My car doesn't phone home for updates either, but there are better ways of doing things today that would help it run even better, so I update it myself. I consider the car a complete product.

But then again, my car isn't trying to be hacked by a million people everyday, nor can it do anything other then what it is.

As for the updates, you could always go with something like Windows Server Update Services (its free) and let that manage it, or just set the computers to update and reboot at 3:00am when nobody's using them, or to install the updates when they're shut down at the end of the day.

If these updates are happening during the middle of the work day, then they're not being managed correctly, IMHO.

The loss of loss of productivity and profits is you admin's fault, not Mircosoft's (or Apple, Red Hat, ect.)
@WayneC369

"I stick to OSs that perform without fail."

Last I checked, Windows 7 performs without fail. I'm running it on all my machines.

"I wish I had logged all the time wasted by myself and employees who have had their PC hijacked by MS and others to do an important update, then restart the PC or constantly interrupt your work to nag you to restart your machine."

You mean like Windows XP? It's nagged me worse than 7!

. . . and maybe you should look into group policy if this is for machines you maintain at your business - it can be turned off . . .

"When my products leave the production floor they are complete products. Fully tested and passed Q.C."

The number of man hours it takes to achieve an equivalent amount of Q.C. on an operating system is probably thousands of times greater than almost any other business. You're talking over a billion lines of code for Windows, if I remember correctly. It's impractical in a reasonable time scale. How many other industries do you know of that work on products that contain that many parts?
@WayneC369 : Constant updating? Oh you should be aiming that thought at OS X. What is it - six updates a year [at least] - each at 500+ MB and growing. That's like installing 6 service packs of Windows a year. At any time one of those will "break" something. And they have. I've seen it broke some of Apple's apps and then again 2 updates later.
You don't have to always updfate your system. happy Updates are generally once a month. You're saying you only reboot [or shut down] a system once a month? Ya. right. I believe the nagging to restart can be delayed or many hours or even disabled. Do some research.
No phoning home for an update? That's fine. But what happens if there is a serious glitch discovered?
@scorflame I agree, too. The only reason this computer is running Win7 is because my HARDWARE crashed and the new computer came preloaded with it. My other computer is still on XP and will remain so until the HARDWARE crashes again.

I'm not a cheapskate. XP does everything I need it to do and there is no reason for me to go out and buy Win7 for the other machine just because M$ says I should. In fact, this machine was a nightmare when it came to setting up my WiFi as Win7 refused to cooperate with XP as another station. I had to have a professional come in to set up the WiFi and add a special dongle to the XP due to the Win7 bull****.

Another point is that Win7 took away many good points that I had in XP and that I hoped Win7 would improve on. How's that for "customer service"? DON'T IMPROVE, REMOVE. Thanks, M$.
@xffcapt01 Thank goodness, you have a professional to call, because you don't know what you're talking about.
@xffcapt01 : Hmmm. Stick to the 90s [that's when XP was developed]. Between now and 2014, companies will dbe dropping support for XP. HP and other manufacturers will cease to develop mdrivers some time this year for XP. So you could be buying a new printer only to find out that there are no XP drivers.
I wouldn't go back [full time] to XP. Win 7 has too many advantages.
@xffcapt01
you wouldn't need to add a special "special dongle" to your machine.

Unless that special dongle is a wireless N adapter, which would have been nobody's fault since wireless N had not been invented at the time your XP machine was produced.
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Here's the #1 reason I still have XP in my environment: I can virtualize twice as many XP desktops as I can Vista/7 desktops because of memory and CPU requirements. Basically, I can cram more virtual desktops onto a host server.
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@wbhite I am sure securing this desktops takes more work than it would for Windows Vista or Windows 7. So, the cost of ownership is much higher.
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Cost of support is greater too
Joe_Raby 15th Jul
@Mr. Dee

Obviously he's never heard of dynamic memory allotment in Hyper-V R2. Windows 7 will run in a sub-1GB space quite well. Windows XP doesn't support it, and you still need at least 1GB to run it respectably.
@Mr. Dee and @Joe_Raby
+1.
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@Mr. Dee In an enterprise environment?

Create limited/standard accounts for your users (no local Admins). And for Windows Vista/7, disable UAC for the standard user accounts.

Enable Software Restriction Policy whitelisting for the limited/standard user accounts. And enable additional Group Policy settings as needed.

Disable auto-run.

Keep the Windows firewall on and configure as needed for your internal administration.

Keep the OS and apps up-to-date.

Run anti-virus software if you think you still need it.
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Xp is Dead
GrandmasterAsh Updated - 17th Apr
People saying there business is fine with XP are kidding themselves after April 2014 there are no further patches for XP so with that news you should be upgrading to a support OS by then.

Business that don't upgrade are going to be the typical non-managed environments where users can freely do anything they want on their machines ..... this is the place where XP will exist along with all the other problems that plague these type of environments.

Im guessing the poeple saying they will be staying on XP for the next ten years will also be using CRT monitors, still using Netscape Navigator and ICQ cos if it it works dont fix it! Pull the other one.

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