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Closing thoughts on Apple's greedy, "crazy evil" iBooks license

By | January 27, 2012, 5:08pm PST

Summary: This week’s discussion of Apple’s new license agreement for its iBooks Author program was what the State Department calls a “full and frank exchange of ideas.” If you missed the debate, here’s your chance to get a view from all sides.

See this follow-up post: Apple’s lawyers clean up the sloppy iBooks Author EULA

Well, that was certainly a vigorous discussion. In diplomatic terms, this week’s online debate over the iBooks Author license agreement was what the State Department calls “a full and frank exchange of ideas.”

At least no one sent out Predator drones.

If you missed the brouhaha, here’s how to catch up. I started it with this post last week:

And followed up with two more:

John Gruber of Daring Fireball has taken the opposition position in this great debate. I’ve included links to all his posts here, but if you only have time to read one, this is the most thorough and recent:

If you don’t understand the cryptic headline, that’s a lyric from the Beastie Boys song, “Sabotage.” Get it? (For you kids, the Beastie Boys are white kids from Brooklyn who made hip-hop history back when … ah, just Wikipedia it.)

Gruber’s post is a very thorough, thoughtful breakdown of the issues from a perspective that’s very different from mine. It’s worth reading.

And then Bill McCoy, executive director of the IDPF, took to his personal blog to offer his take:

That post is also thoughtful and well written, although it should be read with the understanding that an executive director at a trade and standards association has two top job responsibilities: cat herding and puppy soothing. (Not that I want in any way to minimize the importance of those skills in getting standards ratified.)

So let’s talk about that license agreement.

“I agree with the greedy but not the evil…”

Here’s Gruber’s direct response:

I agree with Bott that Apple is being competitive here, but disagree that it’s an example of embrace/extend/extinguish. Put another way, over the weekend Bott called the iBooks Author EULA “mind-bogglingly greedy and evil”; I agree with the greedy, but not the evil or the mind-bogglingliness.

And later:

My “this is Apple at its worst” remark was regarding the EULA. That criticism still stands.

So mainly we disagree on the degree of badness.

“Sure seems crazy evil”

Meanwhile, Bill McCoy says all the diplomatic things you expect an executive director of a trade association to say, which makes it especially eyebrow-raising when he says Apple’s restrictive licensing terms “sure seems crazy evil to me now.”

That blunt assessment is tempered with a “but it could all work out just fine” coda. Here’s the quote in its full context:

[Apple's] restrictive licensing of iBooks Author created content arguably helps keep their 1.0 proprietary format from getting “out in the wild” so in that light could even be viewed (OK, somewhat optimistically) as a pro-standards move. It sure seems crazy evil to me now, but could well end up being viewed warmly in hindsight, if Apple loosens up the licensing terms as they move to standard EPUB format.

And if Apple doesn’t loosen up its licensing terms? I guess then it remains “crazy evil.”

Here’s what’s crazy about it. Apple’s license for iBooks Author attempts to assert rights on any work you generate using that software. That’s pretty much unprecedented. Usually software licenses talk about who is eligible to buy a particular edition (student discounts, for example) or how many devices a program can be used on, or whether there are different usage terms (and prices) for personal or noncommercial use.

But this is different. Apple has the final word on how you can use any product you make with this program, if their EULA is to be believed.

And there’s no question it’s about the money. It’s not about security or reliability or user experience. Consider this completely hypothetical example:

I write a training manual aimed at medical professionals, helping them understand how to work with insurance claims and paperwork. It’s fully interactive and works exclusively with iPad. My clients in doctor’s offices nationwide love it.

I think it’s worth $100 a copy and want to sell it directly to my clients, two and three copies at a time. Apple says I can only do that through their store, while paying them a 30% commission.

I submit it to the iBooks store and Apple turns it down, for whatever reason they choose, or for no reason at all.

I now cannot sell my interactive book at any price. I can give it away. I can (at not inconsiderable expense and effort) turn it back into static ebook format that can be read on an iPad, but all my interactivity is gone. Apple says I can’t sell it anywhere without their blessing.

I think that’s unfair, and although they hem and haw around the issue, my worthy adversaries seem to agree.

Meanwhile, on a side note…

Several people pointed to Microsoft Office Home and Student Edition as an example of a program whose license is equally onerous. But it’s a bad comparison.

Microsoft’s terms and conditions for that Office version limit it to personal, noncommercial use. It’s not at all uncommon for software companies to impose this type of condition.

Historically, software licenses dictate how and where you can use a software program. Apple’s own terms and conditions for the Mac App Store and the iTunes App Store differentiate between “personal, non-commercial” use and use by “a commercial enterprise or educational institution.” (Search for “PRODUCT USAGE RULES.”)

Many, many programs for Windows and Mac allow for free (or low-cost) usage at home but require a more expensive license for commercial purposes.

  • If you have a WordPress blog, you get the Akismet antispam plugin free for personal use, but you have to pay for a commercial API key if you use the plugin on a money-making blog.
  • The Ninite Updater program (which I highly recommend for Windows users) is $9.99 per machine per year for personal use. For businesses, there’s a separate product, Ninite Pro, which costs $20 to $185 per month, depending on how many users are on your network
  • VMWare offers an academic program where labs can get access to a huge range of software for a low annual subscription fee. But the license specifically says the software “may not be used for any purpose outside of instructional, research and personal use.”

Those types of terms are common, but note that none of them attempt in any way to assert rights over the output file.

Update: Some commenters still don’t get it. Let me try an example. Let’s say you write a best-selling book, of which you sell 100,000 copies from your own website for $10 each. A million bucks in revenue.

Under Apple’s license, all of those copies are in violation of the license agreement. You owe them $300,000 in commissions plus whatever damages they can extract from you.

If you wrote that book using Microsoft Office Home and Student Edition, you owe Microsoft the difference between the $129 you paid for the “private, noncommercial” software and the $299 commercial version. That’s $170.

300 grand. 170 bucks.

You get it yet?

That’s where the current discussion begins and ends. And whether you think it’s “crazy evil” or “Apple at its worst” or “mind-bogglingly greedy,” there does seem to be general agreement that it isn’t right.

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RE: Closing thoughts on Apple's greedy,
billsampson 13th Feb
Instead of complaining about iBooks, why not recommend alternatives. I was just using Dozuki Guidebook to create product manuals for our electronic testing equipment. I found Dozuki to be easy to use and I can view my manuals on any device....beat that Appl-e. wink
It's not just iBooks.... Apple is greedy and evil in all aspects. Just compare their "1984" commercial to their modern day methods. Hypocritical doesn't even begin to describe Apple.
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@Narg they are thriving on the base of maniacal frenzied supports. reminds me of nazi germany. hitler had similar tactics.
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RE: Closing thoughts on Apple's greedy,
McDaveH Updated - 4th Feb
@augustus_rome
That comment's 5 years out of date. These days you realize you're referring to the general public right?
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Come again?
klumper Updated - 27th Jan
@augustus_rome

Maniacal frenzied supports? Nazi Germany? Where are you coming from?

Are these maniacal and frenzied supports another name for Apple adherents? Are the "maniacal frenzied" supporters (presumably) the same types (now German) who were decimated by unemployment and inflation, without a ray of hope in sight, and a step away from starvation before Hitler came to their support?

How are the two groups even alike, let alone in tandem to an iBooks discussion? Except to prove it doesn't take long for Godwin's Law (of Nazi Analogies) to rear its silly head when one doesn't bother to use their own.

And what are the similar Hitlerian "tactics" you're referring to? If you want Machiavellian, look no further than what the multinationals do on a daily basis with their litany of greed driven shenanigans (unless that's what you mean). At least Hitler was up front and candid about his aims and objectives. Can you say the same for the one-worlders, or your own Federal government for that matter?
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@klumper
Very good comments. One word I would change, "decimated" to devastated or similar word.

Decimated means:
1: to select by lot and kill every tenth man of
2: to exact a tax of 10 percent from

Being as decimated indicates a tenth of something, we could say it is partial to the decimal system.

Though folks use decimated it is used incorrectly. Same as using, OK, for okay. OK, is the abbreviation for Oklahoma.
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You must be an English teacher
klumper Updated - 28th Jan
@BubbaJones
One word I would change, "decimated" to devastated or similar word.

But I have to agree with your usage precision. Decimated sometimes nuances into devastated territory in looser knit parlance, but as you point out is still technically incorrect. So I'm one word smarter today. wink

Chops
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Your too good BubbaJones_
Cayble 30th Jan
@BubbaJones_

While your command of the English language appears to be impeccable, you get what appears to being a failing grade in understanding common speak. While I understand that many people who relish the spoken and written word live in some fear that common speak will be the ruin of English, perhaps other languages as well, I don't think you have a tremendous amount to worry about.

Language changes relatively slowly so most people, including you, will have tons of time to get used to new and slightly different ways many older words will be put to. Its not as if someone is going to just come along and decimate the English language over night. Although you might feel devastated by the end results years from now.
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@BubbaJones_
It's not even an issue of common speak, but rather an issue of looking at a better dictionary.
Webster -
3. a : to reduce drastically especially in number
b : to cause great destruction or harm to

While OK is the state code for Oklahoma, much earlier than Oklahoma's usage, OK originated from a facetious version of "all correct," "oll korrect." Therfore OK is probably a more proper way of writting "okay" than "okay." After all, "okay" is merely a phonetic representation of the abbreviation. But since the usage of the word okay is informal, I doubt any one should be up in arms over the use of "ok," "okay," or "okie dokie."
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@Narg - in the end, if it's too expensive, restrictive and business unfriendly, it will just be another shunned standard.
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RE: Closing thoughts on Apple's greedy,
terry flores Updated - 28th Jan
@Narg - In the end, it is up to Apple to make whatever terms feasible for actual business. If the terms are too restrictive, costly or unworkable in practice, it will just become another shunned standard.
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RE: Closing thoughts on Apple's greedy,
jeremychappell 27th Jan
Ed, what does the Office one mean when it says: "Not for commercial use"? Any reasonable person would say that you're not allowed to use the output for commercial gain, right?

I can't see the difference.
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Read the license agreements
Ed Bott Updated - 27th Jan
@jeremychappell

You could, in theory, be accused of misusing the software and ordered to pay a license fee. But Microsoft does not assert ANY right over your output. You can sell it anywhere you want.

These are different terms. Dramatically different.

I have updated the post with an example.
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Sorry, Ed
baggins_z 27th Jan
Saying you can't use your output to make money IS asserting a right over your output. You can spin until you fall over dizzy, but anyone with half a brain can figure out that MS telling you what you can and can't use your output for (I.e. selling it) is technically no different than what Apple is doing with iBooks author.
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RE: Closing thoughts on Apple's greedy,
jeremychappell Updated - 27th Jan
@Ed Bott Has Apple EVER asserted these rights?

The point is iOS is a very different target than a system like a PC or a Mac. It is more like a games console, you make content for it, and you need to go through Apple to distribute it (like Microsoft do with the Xbox, yes I know there is a "low fat" development system where you can distribute without this, like there are "web apps" on iOS...)

You're trying to draw a distinction where none exists.

So what about the dev kit for XBox - that not a parallel then?
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RE: Closing thoughts on Apple's greedy,
Samic Updated - 27th Jan
@baggins_z

you still don't get the point.

MS *NEVER* asserting *ANY* right over *ANY* of your output, EVER. You can misuse, let's say Home Edition of Word, and sell your output file, but the maximum "damage" MS can claim is only the part of misusing the software which is $170. If MS were asserting the same rights over your output files like Apple, the claim for the violation of such agreement is $300,000 in court. Big a-- different!

Seriously, use the whole brain. You'll need both math and imagination brain to figure this out.
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RE: Closing thoughts on Apple's greedy,
jeremychappell 28th Jan
@baggins_z Last time I looked the fines for running software that wasn't properly licences was ??10,000 per violation, not the price of the software (I'm talking about in the UK here).
@Ed Bott

Why fault Apple business plan, anyone has a choice not to sell in Apple's iBppk store and if an author can do it on his own he should do so.

Do you really think when MS market place or whatever is ready and selling though it will not be taxed by MS.

Do you really think all publishers who do publishing wouldn't get a cut of the book and maybe is is more than Apple.

Apple gives everyone an equally opportunity to make money and if you think you should not give them a cut then don't sell your master piece through the iBook store. And don't use their software to do your book.

Btw this software from Apple is FREE whereas MS stuff has to be purchased.

When Ed Bott set up his telco he will give everything away for nothing because he deemed making money is obscene and evil plus being greedy.
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@jeremychapell

But is that violation penalty paid to the government or to MS?
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I Think you are wrong
DougPetrosky 28th Jan
@Ed Bott
Although you wouldn't have to pay the percentage apple requests of anything sold on an iPad/iPod/iPhone (a totally different issue). You would not get away with the difference in price ether. Illegal use of software carries a serious fine of up to $150,000 per copy of software as well as other legal fines and even jail time.

The bottom line is that if you profit from the ecosystem Apple has created Apple wants to profit as well. Much like licensing deals for making games on Xbox, or selling books on Kindle. The only real issue is the question of compatibility with other devices. Which the market will determine how that fight will end up.

NOTE: You could have written that book in ePub format and avoided any issues. But you may only sell 10,000 books because it is not as compelling or easy to find. So you might end up loosing $600,000 in potential profit because you didn't take advantage of what Apple offers.
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@DougPetrosky
In the U.S., misuse of a license is not synonymous with IP infringement. So if you're using one license when you should be using another, you've violated a contract, a private law, not the law in general.
Now, using software you haven't paid any right to use is a different matter.
Apple's terms are ridiculous.
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@jeremychappell As an example of what Ed said, you could theoretically write a novel in your own time just for fun, and then decide to publish it commercially. This would not be in violation of the Terms, since at the time you were using the software you weren't considering it for financial gain.

Of course, the Terms in question are mainly to prevent companies from buying up bulk shipments of Home and Student and deploying them to their workstations. I'm not sure there could be a similar analog with iBooks Author.
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In your blog, "Some standards are more open than others", I posted a comment that in part said, "Perhaps Apple will do just that. (Give the specs of iBooks 2 File format to the IDPF)" and your response to that comment was, in part, "That's not how standards work."

It seems Bill McCoy's statement that you quoted is more in line with my comment ideas and sentiments than your comment was. Bill even used Jason Perlow's favorite word "if" in his remarks. "but could well end up being viewed warmly in hindsight, if (there's Jason's word again) Apple loosens up the licensing terms as they move to standard EPUB format."

Being an impartial ZDNet Talkback commentor (GRIN), I would give the nod to me being more in line with Bill's ideas on this topic than your take.

I agree, though, your knack for journalistic hyperbole did result in a great debate of the issues. I just hope we don't lose sight of the fact that school children always gain when new, better and innovative technology is made available for use .. even if that technology is classified as "closed" rather than "open".
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RE: Closing thoughts on Apple's greedy,
anono Updated - 27th Jan
If Apple gives a product away for free, I don't see an issue with them demanding that you can't use it to help a competitor's ecosystem. You can publish the same content on whatever tool the competitor can offer and if that's not as good as Apple's then that's their problem.

Microsoft is being a classic monopolist by tier pricing for the same product. As far as Microsoft is concerned, what exactly is the difference between the commercial version and the regular version. What's next? You'll pay for it based on your annual income? Balance on your bank account?
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Thanks for admitting Apple is a classic monopolist
toddybottom_z Updated - 28th Jan
@anono
"Microsoft is being a classic monopolist by tier pricing for the same product."

http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/education_routing



Same product. Different pricing. And you are restricted in what you can do with the product:
"You may not purchase products at the Apple Store for resale, and we reserve the right to refuse or cancel your order if we suspect you are doing so. And we???re pretty good at figuring that out . . ."

So what's next? Will Apple charge for their products based on your annual income? Balance on your bank account?
"Update: Some commenters still don???t get it."

They get it, they just don't like it being pointed out. Give up trying to convince them to see simple logic.
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RE: Closing thoughts on Apple's greedy,
Droid.Incredible 27th Jan
@rtk +1 Bingo!
@rtk

Not only they get it, but they also do not subscribe to Ed's interpretation.

If you are so popular, that you can drive a million sales of your product (an iBook), then by all means you are not the target of this FREE authoring tool.
You are supposed to be paying commercial license for your authoring tools.


Besides, how are you supposed to load your own iBook to an iPad, without the App Store? If you can't' how you can possibly "sell it directly" from your web site?
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@danbi

As Apple's video shows, one can download a textbook created using iBook Author directly from iBook Author into an iOS device.
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RE: Closing thoughts on Apple's greedy,
anono Updated - 27th Jan
It seems MS fanboys have gotten so used to Apple driving Microsoft's "innovation" that they now feel Microsoft has equal right to benefit from whatever product Apple makes. To not do so would be "greedy", which is a complete opposite of the humanitarian and philanthropic organizations corporations are supposed to be.

Also, we should look to Microsoft to know what a corporation is supposed to be. All they did is create an illegal monopoly and then demand all app developers must pay them 30% to run on their system (to which developers have no choice since it's a monopoly) or their apps wouldn't have certain privileges (ie metro).
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"Crazy Evil"
People 27th Jan
Hyperbole much?
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@People

That's not me saying that. it's a direct quote from the executive director of the International Digital Publishing Forum.
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So?
ego.sum.stig@... Updated - 28th Jan
These are the self same people think vendor controlled ecommerce and DRM is happy-dappy? The folk that have no problem with respective vendors ways of selling and controlling content they publish? The ones that don't insist that people who use EPUB stick to it as specified? Why yes, they are the same chaps and chapesses.

One notes that you didn't actually get around to mentioning that.
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RE: Closing thoughts on Apple's greedy,
castanor Updated - 27th Jan
@Bott,

Don't use the software! There. Did it! Now think about that for a sec... That is stupid isn't it?

You know you will end up using the software and publishing your work on the iTunes store or it will be downloaded for free by the world once you sell one unprotected copy. That's if anyone does visit your site and trust you with their credit card number. See? Not a bad deal. If it does get bounced, well... Too bad. Just sell it as a dead tree.
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Not at all.
rhonin 28th Jan
@castanor
Knowing the schools in my area of the USA (unless rich private schools) cannot affor the tech, then these proposed itextbooks will not be bought.

Now when / if this ever occurs, lets bring in the minorities and their legal / political reps and.....

Chuckle.

Someone gimmee a sammich and some popcorn!
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Practical solution?
lartillot 28th Jan
About your example about "training manual aimed at medical professionals", wouldn't it be possible to legally elude the obstacle by giving away the ibooks to your clients for free, as part of a package of services that they have to pay beforehand? (using a contract that could stipulate that they are bound to keep the ibooks confidential?)

And about the best-selling example, I bet the iBooks store will help authors gain a lot of notoriety and income. Just look at the amount of money developers of iOS apps obtained so far.
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Ed Bott 28th Jan
@lartillot

Although Apple's lawyers were very sloppy, in my opinion, they appear to have taken your scenario into account. The license applies "if your Work is provided for a fee (including as part of any subscription-based product or service)" and the agreement also refers to "any commercial distribution."

This is a variation of the old, "buy a paperclip for $100 and we'll throw in this book for free" trick. If Apple is serious about the license terms, they will fight to stop it.
purchases a 4th grade textbook does the district get the book for life or the first 4th grader they give it too? Does the school district have to buy it again for next years new 4th graders or can they transfer it? Can they sell it to another school district if they dont want it anymore?
@lartillot
Considering the negligible market share of iBooks, I doubt that the iBooks store will help authors. To me this is another attempt by Apple to leverage a dominant market position, iPad, to gain market share for another one of their products with little market share, iBooks. To me, this is similar to the browser wars and MS integrating IE into the OS, then website authors began to program to IE's quirks and checking to see if you're running IE and then tell the user that they must use IE. Apple is using licensing in this scenario. (Last scenario they kicked Google Books out of the AppStore.)
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Ding!!!
rhonin 28th Jan
@BorgX

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@BorgX

You should ask ED how it is helping him !
he has (5) books for sale @ the ibooks book store ranging anywhere from 23.99 to 47.99. He also sell books @ amazon.

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@irepairmacs
I think you answered your own question. Another question for you to ponder is, how would NOT selling those books @amazon / others help the author? Obviously, Ed does not want to be locked into a single store (otherwise why this blog).
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RE: Closing thoughts on Apple's greedy,
jeremychappell 30th Jan
@BorgX

He wouldn't be "locked in". The book written before it was dropped into iBooks Author isn't covered - only work produced from iBooks Author is covered.

Apple are specifically NOT saying you have to create all the content in iBooks Author. There is nothing stopping anyone taking an existing book and adding "widgets" to it, the original book isn't tainted by this process, you CAN still sell it. Apple demonstrate this workflow in their video promotion for iBooks Author. What Apple are saying is you can't take the OUTPUT and sell this outside the iBookstore. Given the tool cost you nothing, I don't see this is entirely unreasonable.

There are precedents with Microsoft's own tools, Xbox games being one of them, you have to obtain a license from Microsoft to sell them (and this might not be granted, say for example your game didn't fall within what Microsoft consider reasonable content). So fundamentally there is no difference at all.

But this doesn't fit with the narrative that Ed is constructing - why let the truth get in the way of a good story?
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Thanks for the series Ed
toddybottom_z 28th Jan
As always, you can tell how good a post is by how upset it makes the Apple fanbois. And the fanbois like anono were very upset at this one.
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@toddybottom_z Ironicaly you are the biggest Apple fanbois since NonZealot...Apple is your passion and you demonstrate that on a daily basis.

Apple is changing the world. It is bringing useful and beautifully created technology into all aspects of people's lives if they want it. Authors, developers, content providers, etc, can join that if they want to. If they don't they have that choice.

Old school dudes like Ed were happy when people were forced to use pretty well everything Microsoft. Yes people we're cagoled into using only MS products for a long time and in some cases not allowed any other choice. Now people are choosing things that THEY want to use and suddenly it's not fair.

There is not one thing stopping anyone from producing books for the iBook Store using any authoring tool they want...period. But if you want to use Apples free tool for easily creating books to put in the iBook store then have at it. Just don't use it to easily create books for iBook store competitors.

There are things about the iBook authoring tool that drive Ed nuts. It is amazing for one. Secondly it has the interest of the industry heavy weights. Thirdly it is Apple's. Ed is lashing out like the kid in the daycare that doesn't have the best toy.
@toddybottom_z
It seems MS fanboys have gotten so used to Apple driving Microsoft's "innovation" that they now feel Microsoft has equal right to benefit from whatever product Apple makes. To not do so would be "greedy", which is a complete opposite of the humanitarian and philanthropic organizations corporations are supposed to be.

Also, we should look to Microsoft to know what a corporation is supposed to be. All they did is create an illegal monopoly and then demand all app developers must pay them 30% to run on their system (to which developers have no choice since it's a monopoly) or their apps wouldn't have certain privileges (ie metro).
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"Under Apple???s license, all of those copies are in violation of the license agreement. You owe them $300,000 in commissions plus whatever damages they can extract from you."


Heu..no, you haven't understand the Apple licence agreement:
Work = Text + interactivity.
THIS is what you can't sell under the Apple licence agreement if Apple don't want to publish your Work...
But, of course, the text is YOURs, you can always sell it on another platform, on another store.
What you are saying here is just FUD and misanderstanding...
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Clueless
rhonin 28th Jan
@shenmue01

Go write an interactive book on Apples software.
Now reduce that to stripped text, import and redo on another software.

You are writing two books.
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@rhonin

Yup .. that's what shenmue01 is implying. Two different ebook works having identical content formatted for different environments. You state the obvious.

Like this example has never been done before. Now, if Apple said that they own the rights to your topic content (not the iBook formatted completed work) and, once Apple accepted your formatted work into their iBook store, you would not be permitted to use your content (however differently formatted) in any other distribution network, well, that would be an example of greedy and evil behavior.

Unfortunately for some with reading comprehension difficulty, the above scenario is not the case.
Thank You for wrapping this lame a$$ topic up . It's clearly a waste of the ones and zeros it published on.

Ed can you name one publishing company that would give an author the Time , Money and other resources needed to write a book and then allow that author to take his book to another publishing company and have them published it ?

Ed can you name one recording company that would give a recording artist the Time , Money and other resources needed to create music and then allow that artist to take the music some where else and have it published ?

Ed can you name me one BREWERY the releases their recipes so other brewer can make their brand ?

The truth is if it worked with ink and paper and will work it for one and zeros ?

AND WHY are you spear heading this topic anyway ! You sell your books though ibooks and amazon. !!! YOU are a clearly OK with it.

Why didn't you compare Apple's agreement with Amazon's agreement anyway?

??? 1 Exclusivity. When you include a Digital Book in KDP Select, you give us the exclusive right to sell and distribute your Digital Book in digital format while your book is in KDP Select. During this period of exclusivity, you cannot sell or distribute, or give anyone else the right to sell or distribute, your Digital Book (or content that is reasonably likely to compete commercially with your Digital Book, diminish its value, or be confused with it), in digital format in any territory where you have rights.???

https://kdp.amazon.com/self-publishing/help?topicId=APILE934L348N

Unprecedented !!! LMAO !!!!!!

So I have come to the conclusion that these blogs are witten by hypocrites who are getting paid to stir the pot of Lintards, Wintards, Appletards and Freetards all for better ad and $ponsor link placements.

Looking forward to another award wining OPEN SOURCE ON ANCIENT HARDWARE TO THE RESCUE blog just to stir the pot !!!


this blog $UCKed !!!
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Hey Ed

Thanks for the interesting read and the debate. I think as I have a different premises on things, my own opinion naturally comes to different results.

On the IDPF membership
Well, this group is huge. There are so many other companies that probably do their own proprietary stuff outside the IDPF. My opinion is that you can be in a standards group and advance a common standard (as a lowest common denominator), which is a complicated and long process, while still being at other parties and do your proprietary stuff.

I think it's not Apple's job to create an awesome authoring software for ePubs. Why doesn't the IDPF collect money from their members to do an awesome software and give it away? But after all, there are a couple of software packages that do ePub.

Apple created it's own, more advanced, fancy and shiny format _based_ on the open ePub standard. Just like so many companies save their files as XML, but in their own proprietary structure. It's an open standard and everybody can take what they like and build on top of that without having to reinvent the wheel from scratch. I don't see a problem here. Apple just created their own book format, _based_ on ePub, but with extensions, and only for their iPad, not for other book readers. That was their choice.

On the EULA
What I totally agree with is the fact that Apple can just reject your work without you having the possibility to sell it elsewhere. This is really bad and in the past already led to uproar and outcry when dev's apps got rejected by Apple in the App Store for strange reasons. Evil.

On supporting an ePub import
For authors, Apple should add a proper import of ePub formatted books so they can be extended by shiny interactive features and sold on iTunes (as you suggested). This should be easy as ePub is the underlying format of iBooks. Maybe this is coming in iBA v2. I think this would be an advantage.

Now, authors have to choose: Do I make an ePub book and sell it on multiple platforms, or do I make a shiny iBook and sell it only via Apple for iPads. Currently, the former option promises more volume. So an import function would actually help Apple. This way authors would make both versions, and maybe add interactive stuff to their books. But many probably will refrain from having to create the book from scratch again, just to sell it on the Apple platform.

On the cost of Office
I did my own math and used my imagination. If I did a presentation in iBooks and spoke publicly somewhere for money, I don't think Apple would take 30% of the speaker fees as you said (your PowerPoint example). In this case I did the iBook just for me and could use it however I want as long as I'm not selling it. So in this presentation case, iBooks Author is even cheaper as I don't even have to buy PowerPoint. I could even publish the slides on the iBooks store afterwards, just like people share their slides (as long as I give them away for free, which some speakers do). No problems here. This all while having been paid for the show by the organizer.

Maybe Office is 299$. But iBooks Author is 0$. The only advantage I have with using Office is that I can self-publish the book I did with it without restrictions in any format I like. Then I only paid 299$ (and my marketing expenses). But as soon as I go to a publisher and I sign a contract, I guess they'll take a hefty percentage as well. And I think of Apple as a publisher in this case. They have a fancy store, a single point of contact so to speak, they do all the credit card stuff for me. OK, they do no real active marketing. But under these circumstances, Office and iBooks Author are probably the same.

Office 299$ + xy% sales provision
iBooks Author 0$ + 30% sales provision

And I bet if you published a book written with Office yourself, while having a signed contract with the publisher in effect that says you can't do so, they would want your 300 grand just as well. I see no difference here.

Personal closing thoughts
After reading your articles I think you can legitimately criticize Apple for having stated to embrace open standards, ePub, opening up FaceTime and such (and I guess you criticized other companies such as MS many times for similar statements). And you legitimately criticized Apple for the restrictive policy in their stores, especially that they can just reject what they don't like. This is evil.

Are they greedy? I think they want to maximise profits and don't give away a tool for free for people to run off and publish their books elsewhere. This is not cool, I agree. But it wouldn't help anyway as you can only publish to an iPad anyway. So you might just as well distribute it over the iTunes Store. Maybe one should think of the iBooks Author as an "iPad application builder", not a text authoring tool. You can build your own iPad interactive book apps without the extensive need of programmers, which is a huge advantage. And because an iBook is just like an iPad app with all it's runtime components and extensions and you need an iPad to "run" this book, Apple just applies the same rules as for all their other apps. For all other stuff, you can use the many ePub software packages out there.

Apart from that, I don't see why so many people got so upset. Many things I believe to be a little jealousy. People think the iBooks Author is a great-looking tool, easy, compelling, and would like to start making cool books with it and sell them anywhere they want, because no such tools exist for any other platform. And I agree. I would like it to be that way, too! Get a free tool, make cool books that are cooler than anything else out there today, sell them anywhere. A huge opportunity for authors to stand out! But you can't objectively criticize Apple for not doing it, it's a company looking to sell their products. Personally you might not like it, as I don't like it either.
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Instead of complaining about iBooks, why not recommend alternatives. I was just using Dozuki Guidebook to create product manuals for our electronic testing equipment. I found Dozuki to be easy to use and I can view my manuals on any device....beat that Appl-e. wink

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