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Does Microsoft have a secret weapon for Windows Phone 7?

By | July 22, 2010, 11:16am PDT

Microsoft got a lot of attention yesterday for its Oprah-style announcement that every employee would get a Windows Phone 7 device after the new mobile platform launches this fall. As it turns out, those freebie phnes aren’t just expensive toys or gadgets. They’re part of an effort to create some unexpected hits and seed the market using the energy from Microsoft’s enormous pool of internal developers.

That bit of news didn’t get picked up yesterday. I first heard about it from Mini-Microsoft this morning. The anonymous insider, in his thoughts on Microsoft’s quarterly earnings call today, mentioned something I hadn’t seen elsewhere:

WP7: application developers in the queue? We need to re-enforce the cool apps that we’ll have ready when WP7 is launched. In a move that has totally delighted me, Microsoft is giving every employee the ability to write and deploy WP7 applications (and, what, ability to get a device at launch, too?) - wow! Now’s the time to truly show off your stuff and write for WP7 and get your app out the door.

Todd Bishop posted a memo from Windows Phone boss Andy Lees outlining the details:

Develop! With the help of the developer division, we just shipped the Final Beta of the Windows Phone Developer Tools. They absolutely rock, and you should download them now http://developer.windowsphone.com/. The package includes everything you need to start building apps. In addition, we’ve introduced a new employee developer program which makes it much easier for you to develop apps for Marketplace in your spare time. …

There are a lot of very smart developers at Microsoft, and they should be able to crank out interesting little apps like the ones that have made the iPhone so successful (the Android platform show slots of promise inthis regard too). In fact, this is part of the Microsoft playbook that goes way back. Back around the turn of the century, from Windows 98 to early XP days, Microsoft employees did some very cool little freebies that were officially distributed (with plenty of disclaimers) at Microsoft.com. Remember Windows Powertoys and Tweak UI? They went away, by decree, long ago, just before Windows XP Service Pack 2 came out. You can still download them from this Microsoft.com page, but the ones I checked haven’t been updated since 2003 or 2004.

Among enthusiasts and IT pros, these underground tools were insanely popular. They were also free. Ten years later Apple has proved that smartphone buyers will pay good money for apps, and apps keep a platform fresh and alive. Microsoft has the opportunity to create some app superstars overnight by letting employees develop for Windows Phone 7 and sell through its store.  I can even imagine a promotional program in which Microsoft gives new Windows Phone 7 buyers 5 bucks worth of credit at the Marketplace to buy apps. The lion’s share of the proceeds should go straight to the developer, even if it’s a Microsoft employee. The company could even pay a bonus for apps that became category leaders, getting great ratings and high downloads. With the company’s stock flat-lined for the last decade, I suspect most Microsoft employees would jump at the chance to make a few extra bucks. A talented developer whose day job involves tweaking the Windows TCP stack might be able to produce an amazing game. Someone working for the Xbox team mght have a killer idea for a video editor. I’ll bet Mark Russinovich could do an astonishing set of phone-centric tools and utilities a la Sysinternals. You never know until you turn them loose.

If I were a Microsoft dev I’d be scouring the app stores of those other platforms right now to find ideas, and then I’d start coding. As a Microsoft watcher, I’m going to be watching that space carefully this fall to see whether the company’s own developers can develop some hits.

Meanwhile, my Windows Phone 7 review handset arrived earlier this week, and I’m busy putting it through its paces. Stay tuned. And feel free to ask questions in the Talkback section.

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RE: Does Microsoft have a secret weapon for Windows Phone 7?
petr.antos@... 28th Jul 2010
@cosuna
XNA is managed wrapper for native hw accelerated D3D/DS and SilverLight UI is native engine on top of native D3D, exposing declarative XAML and also managed wrappers API. CLR is used only as JITed(!) scripting of those engines and wonder you or not, ARM JIT works as a charm from NETCF 1.0 and is optimizing for several years here. Where is Dalvik JIT now? You are true that correct platform and performance are the key factor and not only here WP7 definitelly win, I think, even that at day one there probably will be some parallely developed auto-updates waiting in a queue ...
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Got any great app ideas for WP7? If you can't code them yourself, list them here and maybe someone else will run with your suggestion.
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How times have changed
Richard Flude 22nd Jul 2010
Marry J buying her first Apple product (an iPad), and not surprisingly "loving it". Ed reduced to begging, like MS, for product ideas for MS's upcoming Apple clone.

In the past softies had some pride. Little appears left.

Key apps for me are PDF reader and SSH client. But I suspect neither would be demanded on a windows phone.
@Richard Flude
For me, it the thing can make a ohone call that will be a blessing. There are some devices on the market today that cannot do that or do it very well. So, I guess that would be my showstopper app!
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@Richard Flude ... on the contrary, I have used a few SSH clients on WinMo, so I have no doubt there will be some available. Likewise for PDF viewing.
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Indeed!
MSFTWorshipper 22nd Jul 2010
@Richard Flude I just bought my first Mac Mini, a copy of Snow Leopard to update my 2008 unibody Macbook and will start learning iOS programming! It's all over for the Redmond!
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Oh that is TOO rich!!
NonZealot 22nd Jul 2010
@Richard Flude
or product ideas for MS's upcoming Apple clone

Okay, following you so far.

Key apps for me are PDF reader and SSH client. But I suspect neither would be demanded on a windows phone.

ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL!!!

You realize that according to your logic, Apple is the one copying Microsoft since we've had PDF readers and SSH clients on Windows Mobile for years now! So answer the question Richard, why did Apple copy Microsoft when it gave you a PDF reader and an SSH client?

ROFL ROFL ROFL!!!
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@Richard Flude

Richard, Richard, Richard. Have you seen the tech reviews of WP7, looked at the videos, downloaded the development tools?

The Windows Phone UI and the development system and its business software are well beyond the iPhone - as are the design and hardware. Apple will not catch this phone in the near future and it may be the eventual death knell for Apple which has only survived due to its semi-smart phone clone, it's mp3 clones and its Unix based software. Not much real research of development in there, but lots of packaging and marketing work. We all know what happens when Apple tries to be "innovative" (i.e. not copy someone else's work) - you get a phone that you have to hold funny and it drops calls wink

Oh and the secret weapon is OneNote. This secretive and most useful part of the Office suite doesn't really get the press it deserves, but it has a huge group of users - why not try it yourself, you may be surprised.
@Richard Flude , Adobe has had a reader available for the windows mobile platform for years, not sure when they started but i've been using it since 2003
@Richard Flude
I have a windows mobile phone that I use to manage my data center. I have many utilities that I use that I am quite sure do not exist on an Iphone or don't do as well of a job. Anyway, yes they will be available on windows phone 7. How do you think all of the Microsoft employees will manager their data centers ?????
@Richard Flude -- successful @ trolling. Unsuccessful at everything else.

Some day people who post emotion-based comments like Richard's will realize that it's all about business - nothing else. Apple, MS, Google, etc. only care about their business. In this case MS has an interesting strategy, and it will be interesting to see if it pays off.

Gotta love competition.
@Richard Flude

Seems the crowd that replied to you "didn't quite get it"... Maybe they are so sucked in the "legacy (old)" Microsoft attitude that they can get past the idea that this time MS isn't in the leading role.

It's kinda a repeat of the I.B.M. P.C. story where the blue suits upped Apple using an out of the box team (just like Windows Mobile dumped the Palm), but later were outboxed by Compaq and Dell (this time Apple and Google).

In my view, Windows Phone 7 is a good exercise but done in an incorrect platform (Silverlight and XNA), whereas iPhone is native (Objective) C on-top of a Mach clone with native Multi Touch API. So performance will be a key factor, and will all depend on the CLR JIT for ARM (something of an untested key component). Else, graphics will be snappy at moments and lag at others, crucial "moments of truth" (aka XBox Live syncs, Facebook syncs, etc.)
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Thanks cosuna
Richard Flude 23rd Jul 2010
The other posts prove my point. It's really quite sad.
@Ed Bott
Ed, for me, the more important thing will be how well the new WP7 actually works.

If MS can produce a phone that is well tested in the field/wild, with a strong feature set that puts it in direct competition with the iPhone 4, then I, myself, will give it a whirl INSTEAD of the iPhone.

I think MS did a good job testing Windows 7 in the "wild," and the profits they've made on Windows 7 show in black ink JUST how good of a move it was for them.

I soooo wanted the new iPhone 4 for when my contract with Bell Canada renews this Fall. Not so sure anymore ... and the fact is, there are a LOT of ppl that are wondering now. (Did you find the attitude that was portrayed by Steve Jobs' post press conference comments a bit odd for a man who would like to be considered customer-centric?)

Remember the good ole' days, Ed? (Commodore, etc.) when things weren't perfect, but man they performed for their time. No update button on those puppies ...

Yes, get great WP7 apps out ... but test the WP7 extensively with everyday ppl. The money will roll in...AGAIN. happy
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@cdawe@...

I think the iphones great success is that it looks good but more importantly is easy to use.

Android looks mediocre and as a phone, is a bit frustrating to use. The google apps and data support are great but that's about it.

And I think they need to get 2.2 pushed out ASAP. I thought Google and its open development model were supposed to allow for more rapid development?
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What makes you say there hasn't been
cornpie Updated - 26th Jul 2010
@cotaddy@... The Motorola Droid was released with Android 2.0 last fall, updated to 2.1 in June and will get 2.2 the first week of August. That seems pretty rapid to me. I've heard some even saying it changes too quickly. I guess what constitutes just the right level of "rapid" is a matter of opinion.
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Brilliant idea!
Rick_K 22nd Jul 2010
Now they can claim that over 90,000 were sold on opening day. I am also willing to bet they got a good price on these phones (being an order of over 90,000). The real question is how will the price of these phones be written off in a way to make it look profitable?
@Rick_K Maybe you don't know this but both Apple and Google ALSO gave free phones to their employee's as well. So this whole "market share" etc opinion is entirely mute and void.
Hello @Rick_K, The cost of giving these phones away will be a lot less then some stupid ad campaign Microsoft would normally run. It gets the product out where friends and family will see them in day to day use and if Microsoft has got it right will create sales that might have never happened. At last Microsoft has done something smart. May be they won't just fade away as has been predicted.
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@Rick_K

Even if MS were paying $400 per phone (which I would doubt) that would be about $36 million. Rather seems like chump change for Microsoft.

Also 90K initial sales are not a particularly large number in the larger scheme of things.
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Obviously to Me Games Should be WP7's Calling Card!
i2fun@... Updated - 22nd Jul 2010
@Ed Bott If they can bring Xbox360 Gamers into the equation, no doubt they will have instant success. Phones that have the same GPU chip as Samsung's Galaxy Series phones with it's SGX540 in them.

They're already playing desktop versions of Quake 3 on these phones. This chip is capable of 3 times that of iPhone 4's SGX535 GPU at 90 million Triangles/per/sec. Which is good enough to play PC Desktop and some X360 games. If WM7 can support a down port of Halo on launch and Call of Duty, with a gyro/accelerometer or keyboard support, guaranteed WM7 will be unbeatable. The competition might as well call in sick!

A game phone could be it's E-Ticket to fame and fortune with Xbox360 owners now numbering 40 million leaping on the phones out the door. iPhone 4 owners will be relegated to cry baby wantabees in the gaming World. With both inferior hardware and games.

The only group of users that are more loyal than Apple iCult fans are Gamers. Sure... you'd make the phones capable of making calls without dropping them and without being told "You're Holding it Wrong". This would no doubt be a selling point too. But bring true hard core Gamers to your phone and you'll have the answer to why PC's rule the World of Games today and they'll be Guaranteed a sell out launch day!

Give it Broadcom's new 20751 SoC with DLNA, both Wifi 2.4 and 5.0, Wifi Direct, Bluetooth 3.0 or 4.0 along with 3G/4G Voip in game Voice chat and you've combined a phone with the ultimate portable game machine!

If they fail to do this full tilt they will no doubt lose to both Android and iOS. But with it.... they'll have no equal!!!
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@i2fun@...

The real problem with your approach (although sound as it might look) is cost.

Although PC Gamers are known to have deep pockets, most of the Smart Phone crowd are conservative spenders. XBox 360 are caught in between. The specs you offer are not cheap and most of them untested. So the overlap with iPhone users would be minimal and that would hurt WP7 not iPhone.

On the other hand, Gamers are a tough crowd. Witness the change from Intel technology on the original XBox, to PowerPC on the XBox 360. Although ARM technology is known for its speed and low voltage, Halo level graphics are no easy task and XNA is not the best of platforms (being CLR based) .

Also, if battery life suffers from the gaming experience, so will sales.
Last but not least there's the OEM factor. We have seen previews of the Dell Lightning being overly different from their Android offering. This company profits from the Windows brand all around. So might have been said with HP, but they bought Palm.

On the other side of the spectrum are Asus, Acer, LG, Samsung and HTC. These makers want reusable components and OS agnostic phones. The features you are mentioned will make them do an unreasonable bet on the Windows platform with zero o nothing in return.

In the end, the XBox is Microsoft branded and they solely decide what to put and left out.
@Ed Bott
I'm still looking for a WP7 dev to build the metro styled blogging tool that I mentioned to you on twitter. I haven't seen any great blogging tool either for iPhone or Android. Apparently it is easier to find the holy grail than a WP7 dev.
@nithinr6 I'm a WP4 dev, contact me : quentez at live com

Thanks wink
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Mailed you...
@Ed Bott
Fart noises.
Most important app ever.
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@davebarnes Six pages of fart apps in the iPhone store.
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NonZealot 24th Jul 2010
@davebarnes
One of the complaints against both Apple and Android stores is that the signal (good apps) to noise (bad apps) is very low. This is specifically one of the things that MS is trying to avoid with its app store by charging the developer for every app that is released on the store. Want to release yet another fart app? Fine. That'll cost you $99.

http://jkontherun.com/2009/03/11/will-99-keep-the-microsoft-app-store-fartless/

Note that I'm not suggesting this will work or that it is even a good thing to be striving for, but MS is actively trying to avoid having a store full of garbage apps.
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@Ed Bott

I had come up with several app ideas for WinPhone 7 for their app contest, but they're worth repeating again:

*Finance - this app would log in to your bank account to see your current financial standing, and also track your spending so you can see where your money goes, then offers suggestions to save money. It would have charts showing how your money's being spent over time (gas, entertainment, bills), and you can enter goals, such as 'buy a car with 5K downpayment' and it would try to help you reach that goal. The investments page would track your investments, such as 401k, IRAs, and stocks so you can see how they're doing. It would also track your credit card use, and offer help on how to take your balances down to 0, if that's a goal for you.
*Movie collection app - use the camera to scan the barcodes of your DVD/Blu-Rays, and view them on the phone in coverflow-like view. It would then offer you suggestions as to what to watch based on what mood you're in, such as wanting to watch a comedy, or a random movie you haven't seen in a while. There would also be a page to make suggestions based on what's currently in your library of films/TV shows you might like, and links to a purchase page for that, or a little checkbox to remind you of it's release date if it's not out yet. The app would let you share with friends what you've got so you can compare tastes, and if you've got a friend coming over, that person can say 'I want to watch this movie.' There would also be a few interactive charts showing you the breakdown of how many comedies/action films/etc. you have, who your top actors/actresses are by the number of films they're in that you own, etc.
*Congress - put in your ZIP code, and see who your federal Senators / Representative are, state Senator/Representative, and local city officials. It would generate a profile page for each representative with contact forms, recent news with that congressman/senator, vote history of that person, and voting rankings by third parties (most liberal, most conservative, etc.). It'd be a great way to keep in touch with those who are elected to represent you.
*Shopping App - use the camera to scan the barcode in for what you're buying, and it'll look up local and online retailers to see if there's a better price for that product. It would also contain a shopping list where you can scan in the stuff you're buying, and you press the 'optimize' button to have the app automatically search for the lowest price for everything you bought so that next time you can pay less for what you bought (it would also let you switch stores in case you like buying that one bread or cereal at certain stores over others, though). So, if 5 things are cheapest at Publix, it'd mark those one a list for Publix, and 10 things for Kroger, then it'd have a list for Kroger, and so on. The shopping list feature would also allow you to enter items you're looking to buy and then see where you can get them for the lowest price (dog food, milk, etc.) and set up temporary shopping lists for those products so you can make the best choice where to go to buy your groceries.
*Enhanced Reality app - like similar apps for iPhone and Android phones, you would point your phone at a monument or store and get popup information about it on your phone. Perhaps even comments/pictures left there by other travellers who went there before would be good.
*E-Book store/reader app - an app where you could buy e-books, magazines, newspapers, comics, and audiobooks, and then read them in the app. You would be able to bookmark, quote a passage, and have your place automatically saved so you can open up the book back to the page where you left off.
*Barcode-based monster fighting game - this was a concept Nintendo used a few years ago on their GameBoy system where you scan a barcode and the system generates a monster with certain stats and powers, which you then fight with others playing the game, and then you level up your character. It's a great concept, and it's unique and innovastive, and would look great on the WinPhone's screen
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Ed, I have spent more than $100 on apps for the iPhone. Why would I switch over to Windows Phone 7 or Andrioid for that matter. Microsoft or Google would have to give me at least $100 credit to even consider it. A little late to the party.
@dantiv@...

So out of that $100 worth of apps, which are your favorites? What do they do well, and what's still on your wish list?
@DaveN_MVP

... Navigon, Evernote, Pocket Informant, Sonos, Kindle, GoodReader, MLB At Bat, News apps, Digg, Engadget, Dropbox, LogmeIn, Pano, Red Laser, Pandora, Hulu Plus, OrbLive, Sportacular, Twitter apps, faceBook, eBay and a handful of great games.

What will Windows Phone 7 or Android do BETTER than iOS that will get me to switch and drop my investment in apps and experience? It has to be a much BETTER experience for me to even consider it. It happended once ...I used to use WinMo for many years and when I first used the iPhone I KNEW that I had to switch over from WinMo to iPhone. It was an easy decision. All I'm saying is that Windows Phone has to beat down the iPhone for me to switch. I already played with Andriod and nothing better there...

It's the same reason I don't ever switch from the Windows platform to the Mac or Linux. I could very easily live with Linux but I have way too much experience and apps with Windows to even consider it.
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As a Windows Mobile Standard 6.1 user...
NameRedacted 22nd Jul 2010
@DaveN_MVP
...it still offers the best user interface (slider/panels) for how I use my phone (appointments, updating 4 email accounts, and texting). As such, I decided to throw in my favorite apps that I hope to see on WP7.

The new Bing for WinMo is the best app for this phone or any other for that matter (my daughter looks askance when I'm able to speak an address into my two year old phone and get turn by turn directions with spoken street names in return).

Other apps that I like are Documents to Go (included with the phone at no charge), Facebook, Tiny Twitter, AP Mobile, Bloomberg Mobile, Thomson Reuters News Pro, Viigo, One Note, Google Maps, YouTube, and GPS Weather Radar. The only apps I paid for were Elecont Weather and Kinoma Play, both of which were well worth their price.

I also used the CHome Configurator to create and modify panels in the user interface, similar to what I believe you can do with the tiles in WP7.
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@dantiv... And you really think that most of those apps won't be developing for WP7? I guarantee 90% of the ones you just listed will be available within the first 6-8 months, and I'd bet that if you contact customer service, many of them would even be able/willing to give you "trade in" option... though, I'm betting you've already made up your mind about the platform.
The secret weapon is called "The Wallpaper App".

It goes something like this. Whenever a high profile performer has undersold her venue (like Babs in 2000), the producers go out and give away free tickets (called "wallpaper"), so that the stadium "looks" full, even though every second seat is occupied by a vagrant or one of those homeless living under a bridge (ah, that's where John Edwards' proverbial "Homeless Families Living under a Bridge" ended up, all attending the liberal artists bent on destroying their careers with "shut-up-and-sing" polemetries).

At any rate, Microsoft's secret weapon is to double their initial sales figures by giving out Windows Phone 7 to all their employees. So with 93,000 worldwide (compare that with Google's 10,000 and it takes the mystery out of MSFT's languishing stock price).

Now if they can keep Steve Balmer from jumping on the stage like a monkey, spraying their developers with his putrid sweat, Microsoft, and if they can somehow hide the fact that there's any DOS or Win32/NT legacy code on the device, maybe, just maybe, Microsoft can sell an additional 93,000 phones and perhaps outsell the Zune.

Or just load Bob and call it quits in the mobile market:)

There, that should get a flame war going and I didn't even mention Apple. Ooops...
Dan, about half those apps you mentioned are free. You didn't tell us which ones you actually paid for.
@DaveN_MV

I love Pano for making panoramic photo's. Urban Spoon and Epicurious are handy food apps. NY Times, NPR, USA Today, very nice news apps. I have about 120 apps on my phone, news, TV, games, search, travel, and so on. I have over 80,000 to choose from, and most of them very well and elegantly. By the time Microsoft gets this thing out the door, they'll be so far behind, they'll never be able to catch up. Plus, my guess is Apple has been working on iOS 5 and the iPhone 5 for a year by now. And only Apple and God know what they have in store for their next generation device. To be sure, it will make the MS Phone 7 look like bear skins and stone knives.
@dantiv@... It's honestly just a matter of taste in phones. The iphone will NEVER have a physical keyboard, and you'll NEVER have a variety of phones to choose from to make ur phone unique. In addition, Apple will probably never be able to match the business-functionality of WP7. It all comes down to whether ur willing to sacrifice $100 for something that you'll enjoy long-term.
@blaiz123

I have enjoyed the iPhone for 3 years and still love it! This is a windows guy talking whose been building his own PC's for over 15 years...
@dantiv

I have an iPhone 4 and my wife just got a HTC Aria and I have to say both are very similar when it comes to functionality. They are both App Driven phones and they both have pretty much the same applications available to them. I think WinPhone 7 is going to be the same along with that model. They will have some unique features and have pros and cons but overall they will offer the user the same functionality so it is just a matter of preference. I liked my iPhone 3G so I went with an iPhone 4 and it plugs directly into my car stereo so I can control it through the radio so that was a big factor. I also like the droid phones and honestly can see very little difference when it comes to features and functionality.

My brother has an EVO and all he could keep saying is that his EVO has a 8MP camera and my iPhone has 5MP and I had to tell him that who cares. Are you taking those photos and blowing them up really huge? And MP is not the only quality factor. My 7MP Advanced Body Digital camera takes better pictures than my wife's 10MP point and shoot camera. To me it is all a childish pissing match over "My Phone is better than your phone" and to that I say who the heck cares.
@bobiroc, it's the size of the sensor in a camera. That's why. Plus, with the size of the sensor, the size of the lens has to be bigger.

I'd rather have a 3MP camera in a Windows Phone 7, even though Windows Phone 7 requires at a minimum of 5 megapixels. Plus, there are two types of sensors, which is CCD, and CMOS.

It helps to do a search about camera's sensor size and two types of sensors.

For me, I'd rather have a 3 megapixel camera with a 4/3" sensor size than a 6 megapixel camera with a 1/2" sensor size.

You probably won't find a phone with a very large sensor size. Or are there?
@blaiz123 Hang on there. I am not an iPhone fan but WP7 is supposed to have a fixed GUI as much as the iPhone has a fixed GUI. I prefer my SPD GUI to anything I have seen of late. Could it be better? Sure, but it is nice to know I am the "designer" of the GUI. When you talk about making your phone unique, the GUI is about all you are able to modify and only Android is allowing changes to the GUI....unless you are on the older MinMo like me....and watching Apple and Google play catch-up to a feature set that is 5+ years old.
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Then why are you here?
John Zern 22nd Jul 2010
I've spent thousands on Windows programs, so why should I buy a Mac? A little late to the game for them, I would say.
@John Zern

My point is that Microsoft is late to the party here... I have never bought a Mac. I'm a Windows guy and love Windows 7 and not switching to anything else.
@John Zern
I think this is going to be a large hurdle for MS to overcome. People who don't currently have smartphones are a better target but there is a huge pool of people who are going to ask the exact same question dantiv asked.
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@NonZealot... correction, there are a lot of iPhone users that will be hard to convert. Anyone else is always fair game, because everyone else is more open to alternative platforms and will ultimately choose the one that best fits their needs, styles, and interests.

The iPhone users will either avoid other platforms because they are "comfortable" with what they have, are Apple zealots, or simply don't know what else is out there. The only iPhone users that will convert are the ones who absolutely hate AT&T and want different options, so they'll be willing to shop around.

Still, I don't think it's a bad thing to have Apple, Google, and Microsoft competing, and it's never too late for Microsoft to swoop in and creep up on the competition with a crowbar.
@John Zern I have hundreds of dollars in Windows Mobile Apps... why should I buy WP7? Especially since I already switched to Blackberry for a much better experience?
@John Zern
Well, the applications one owns and needs are very much a factor in what computer/os/device is purchased next. That's why Apple went Intel, so dual booting and virtualization were a lot easier than with PowerPC. It is one reason why OS X and Linux will never make any serious inroads against Windows on the desktop for a long time.

Here's the thought experiment, though. Would Microsoft do better putting out a line of mobile apps that run consistently in Android, iOS, and WP7 or would it be better to reserve their developers for WP7, so their partners will sell phones and dominate the market based on the marketing of better Win-apps?

I say the former, because in my experience people very rarely drop an application as long as it is doing its job adequately. People want to get things done and thinking about software or comparing or thinking about getting a new phone because that software runs on it is so rarely on the agenda.
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Okay wait a second...
Peter Perry 22nd Jul 2010
@dantiv@... You listed a bunch of apps but only one of them has a cost on Android.
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Pay no attention to the facts...
GoodThings2Life 22nd Jul 2010
@Peter Perry ... the facts have nothing to do with relevance... they just get in the road of him (or anyone else) justifying their point.
@Peter Perry

Actually Peter, that statement is not true...most of those apps are not available on Andriod.

@GoodThings2Life

The facts are that Google only cares about targeting us with ads. Everything they do they give away for free except for their ad platform and the open source zealots think that Google is open. Of course, Google shot themselves in the foot in China now that the Chinese phone carriers took Adroid and are stripping the Google stuff out...
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2010/07/androids-ascent-in-china-is-not-elevating-google.ars
@cosuna
XNA is managed wrapper for native hw accelerated D3D/DS and SilverLight UI is native engine on top of native D3D, exposing declarative XAML and also managed wrappers API. CLR is used only as JITed(!) scripting of those engines and wonder you or not, ARM JIT works as a charm from NETCF 1.0 and is optimizing for several years here. Where is Dalvik JIT now? You are true that correct platform and performance are the key factor and not only here WP7 definitelly win, I think, even that at day one there probably will be some parallely developed auto-updates waiting in a queue ...

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