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IE9: Microsoft's new browser gets no respect at all

By | March 17, 2010, 12:00pm PDT

Yesterday, influential web designer Jeffrey Zeldman admitted “there is no such thing as a calm discussion of improvements to a Microsoft browser,” and then proceeded to accidentally prove his own case.

Someone pointed out Zeldman’s post to me yesterday, during a brief lull in the proceedings at MIX10, and I scanned it quickly. Although it carried the bland title IE9 Preview, the post itself was dripping with sarcasm, laced with backhanded compliments, and supplemented with several extra-large servings of contempt for everything Microsoft is doing with Internet Explorer. Zeldman criticized the tone of Microsoft’s public announcements, calling it “enforced bragging.” He argued that “Getting IE fully up to speed on web standards is much more important than introducing any proprietary innovations.” In one breath he said, “I’m not challenging the quality of the hardware and software improvements,” and then, in the very next breath, he criticized Microsoft’s “brilliant browser engineers” for “torturing the IE rendering engine every couple of years instead of putting it out of its misery.”

The piece was picked up this morning and republished on All Things Digital, Walt Mossberg’s side project for the Wall Street Journal, under the more confrontational headline “On IE9 and Microsoft’s Enforced Bragging.”

I read it twice yesterday and scratched my head in bewilderment. Zeldman’s controlled seething and barely concealed scorn made absolutely no sense in the context of the keynote address I had just left. Microsoft’s Dean Hachamovitch (with a little help from Windows boss Steven Sinofsky) had just announced that Internet Explorer 9 will have full support for HTML5, that it is actively contributing to standards discussions, and that its score on the controversial ACID3 benchmark has improved from 32/100 to 55/100 in the past four months (IE8 currently scores 20/100). There were interesting side-by-side demos of rendering differences on standards-compliant markup in IE9 compared to Firefox and Google Chrome, and some pretty impressive demos of high-definition video playback using pure HTML5 code with hardware acceleration. Microsoft even made an early developers release available so people like Feldman could test it and judge Microsoft’s progress in standards compliance.

In short, they’d pretty much done everything Zeldman asked for, and in a fairly low-key speech Hachamovitch let the demos do the bragging.

But Zeldman didn’t mention any of this. It’s almost like yesterday’s keynote didn’t happen. And indeed, as far as this post is concerned, it didn’t. Zeldman apparently based his entire argument on a post by Hachamovitch at last November’s Professional Developers Conference in Los Angeles, where Microsoft first announced the broad outlines of its IE9 strategy. I repeat, he wrote a blistering takedown of IE9 based on a four-month old speech and published it at the exact time time Microsoft was telling the world what it had been up to for the last four months.

Now, anyone watching that very early announcement from last November was well within their rights to be skeptical. But yesterday Microsoft delivered a pretty solid package of evidence that it’s serious about standards compliance and performance.

This morning, back in my office after a full night’s sleep, I re-read the post and its comment thread and found this downright civilized reply from Microsoft’s Tim Sneath, buried deep in the comments:

Hi Jeffrey,

Thanks for your post – unfortunately it links to a blog post from last November, rather than today’s news where we’ve announced much more detailed support for HTML 5 and other web standards. I’d love folk to have a look at http://ietestdrive.com and give us your honest feedback based on today (rather than last year :-)

Thanks for all you’re doing to advance web standards – we’re as keen for everyone to move off IE6 as the rest of the community!

Warm wishes,

Tim Sneath
Sr Director, Microsoft

You know something, he’s absolutely right.

Personally, I think Zeldman should use the strikethrough attribute for his entire post and replace it with two simple words: “Never mind.”

Update: Zeldman responds. Highlights: He was traveling home from SXSW and was unable to watch the keynote. He has not yet reviewed Microsoft’s IE9 announcements, but “neutral developers” have “confirmed” that it represents “good news on its web standards support.” Two of his friends are former IE developers, although I don’t understand the relevance. And the fact that I chose to respond to his post means it must be a “slow news day.” What I still don’t understand is why someone who is a luminary in web design and web standards circles would wait until the day Microsoft is scheduled to make a long-awaited announcement about IE9 to post a harsh critique based on a months-old announcement. And I still don’t understand how the “tone” of Microsoft’s announcements is relevant to a discussion of web standards or for that matter exactly where those offensive remarks are.

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RE: IE9: Microsoft's new browser gets no respect at all
MEJIAHA 30th Sep
Fantastic news about the new release.I positively enjoying each little bit of it and I have you b o o k m a r k e d to check out new stuff you weblog post.Im not sure i come to an agreement with you on every level, howevor it absolutely was a good posting, many thanks for taking the time to put up your ideas
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Like Gregg Keizer
honeymonster 17th Mar 2010
who swallowed any made-up "fact" served by Craig
Barth (aka Randall C Kennedy), Jeffrey Zeldman is
not concerned with facts. If facts portrait MS is
a positive light, he will make up facts which do
not.
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Strongly Agree (NT)
Darth Malus 17th Mar 2010
NT
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Same here
Joe_Raby 17th Mar 2010
I was going to point out the obvious likeness to Randall Kennedy, but you beat me to the punch.
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forums
alasiri1 Updated - 11th Mar 2011
@Darth Malus The way I see it Apple and Google are becoming competitive with Microsoft. Now Microsoft is starting to respond competitively ins tead of pretending the competition doesn't exist.
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Childish and ridiculous.
webmaster@... 17th Mar 2010
Silly fanboy...
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No... that would be this one
Hallowed are the Ori 18th Mar 2010
Childish and ridiculous.

No that would be the apt desciption for this post:

http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-12354-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=77022&messageID=1496726&tag=content;col1
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Should I go back...
still not nice 18th Mar 2010
...and link some of your winners here? wink

No that would be the apt desciption for this post:
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I don't really care what you do.
Hallowed are the Ori 19th Mar 2010
Since I wasn't even talking to you fool.
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But I'm talking to you, fool
still not nice 20th Mar 2010
And you do care since you responded.

Another hypocrite playing space hero...
I guess things are not what they used to be, Microsoft is losing not only in tech, apparently they are losing on astroturf also.
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It's Hard
daengbo 18th Mar 2010
It's hard to astroturf well when your product is
40 points behind where other browsers were years
ago, and is slower by an order of magnitude, to
boot.
It must have been driving him and his Macintard Massive nuts having to possibly lose the last Microsoft related punching bag. The way MS seems to reinvigorating itself has the iBoi's grasping at straws.

MS should already know...heavy tis the head that bears the crown.
Wow, that's a big compliment! Thank you very much happy fake rolex watches
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What did you expect?
Qbt Updated - 17th Mar 2010
People complain when MS does not follow standards, then when they make an effort to clean house and Do It The Right Way, people complain.

I think this has more to do with people hating the idea that an MS product could be popular simply based on its own merits. They really hate that idea. It flies against their endless efforts to create the illusion that anything but an MS product is worth using. We have seen this with Windows 7.

To me, creating anti-MS FUD is much more "evil" than anything MS does these days, even though these people pretend to be taking the moral high ground. I find that kind of ironic and sad at the same time.
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True! (NT)
Darth Malus 17th Mar 2010
NT
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Amen!
rjohn05 17th Mar 2010
Good word.
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Bringing Cynicisim to a Whole New Level.
mikefarinha 17th Mar 2010
It seems as if the ABM crowd is simply the IT leg of the anti-free market crowd.

The way I see it Apple and Google are becoming competitive with Microsoft. Now Microsoft is starting to respond competitively instead of pretending the competition doesn't exist.

This active competition is bringing worlds of advancements to the public IT sector but some people try and find the smallest nit to pick and make mountains out of mole hills.
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Agreed.
CobraA1 17th Mar 2010
Agreed. Some people can never really be
satisfied, even when Microsoft tries to do it
right.

Heck, I'd like to know exactly what they're
doing wrong from a technical standpoint.

I am so NOT interested in people's
comments about:

-The corporate culture of a corporation they've
probably never worked for.

-The internal structure of a browser engine
they've never seen.

The totally theoretical talks about corporate
structure and the browser's engine are IMO
useless. Tell me what you know, not what you're
speculating on.
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@CobraA1

i'm not a geek web developer, but how could even IE8 not support a simple, easy implement CSS2 feature, "text-shadow"?
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You're right but...
betelgeuse68 17th Mar 2010
MS painted itself into the corner it finds itself. Once Netscape became roadkill, IE went into a coma and moved about as fast as molasses going uphill in the winter.

People's irritation stems from MS not being a vanguard for the web and in some ways, a hinderence. That's the bigger underlying issue people have.

Then again, can you blame Microsoft? Microsoft sees the web as encroaching on its cash cows, Windows and Office. Mobile devices will increasingly marginalize a desktop centric view of the world (the iPad in particular) and sooner or later (probably later), Google Docs is likely to make Microsoft sweat.

To quote another article, "That was all fine until the Web took hold on our lives" which has parallels to the script being played out for Microsoft:

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/blockbusters-woes-are-a-sign-of-the-times-2010-03-17

Microsoft is a slow, complacent company. It wasn't the first to find itself there, it won't be the last - just like any other company that comes to dominate a space.

But we can all take comfort in that the only constant is change. As much as I like my iPhone Apple is starting to give off a Microsoft "smell". Then in 10 years people will complain about the evil that is Apple, Inc.

In the end competition of all kinds is good. Consumers benefit by choice.

-M
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Apple was never much different.
Cayble 18th Mar 2010
The big difference with Apple and MS is that Apple has had way more of a very vocal disproportionate fan base. It almost makes sense too. If you really like Apple computers way more then Windows, it must at times be a little frustrating living in an overwhelmingly Windows world. Many issues come up I am sure that would make it much nicer if everyone, or at least many more people used Macs. I can see how from time to time when they hear something good about the Windows OS its of no use to them, as a Mac user, and in fact only encourages others to continue using Windows which doesn't do much to help them in their world. So as a result, some of them get loud about their distaste for Windows. Some get very loud.

But its that same fan base that would jump like a jack rabbit on anyone who ever said a negative thing about Apple. Its happened many times and sometimes much more so then others and thats provided more then a bit of public shield for Apple for quite some time. Do some historical checking and you will find a good number of Apple shenanigans that were downplayed by the assistance of Apples overly loud fan base.

Windows has never had that kind of fan base. Windows has had multiple millions of users sure, but not too many of them have picked up any kind of resentment against the other OS's because they have never been an issue for the average user. Most Windows users are very average people who know little about computer generally and could care less.

So don't worry about Apple becoming more like MS, they have been there a long time already. The difference is that their gain in public profile with the iPod and now the iPhone they are more newsworthy in general and their loud minority of over zealous fans are not gong to be able to do much to quash future news reports of problems with Apple or their products they way they could in the past where as a company they were not big news on their own.
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The desktop isn't going away anytime soon.
Lester Young 24th Mar 2010
The Blockbuster analogy falls down because Blockbuster allowed limited choices and less convenience relative to net-based alternatives. Basing all functionality on the cloud has its own pitfalls. An exclusive cloud environment would have to be managed like any other.
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@betelgeuse68

You are absolutely correct!
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Expect memories to be better
klumper 17th Mar 2010
I think this has more to do with people hating the idea that an MS product could be popular simply based on its own merits. To me, creating anti-MS FUD is much more "evil" than anything MS does these days.

I can still recall when Microsoft used its bully pulpit to block competing browsers from accessing MSN.com, at which point even Tim Berners-Lee through up his hands in disgust.

How far they've come.
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Further than Apple
Bozzer 18th Mar 2010
Who decide on a whim if your app shall be accepted on the iPhone platform or not. In some instances granted permission is later taken away without the slighest rationale.
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More of the same
klumper 18th Mar 2010
And no better.
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Yep, it is oh so easy to forget
Ole Man 30th Mar 2010
that which one chooses to not remember. Orrrrr, that which they would rather sweep under the rug, and not have the rug rolled up to expose the dirty ****.
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People complain!
TristanGrimaux 17th Mar 2010
People complain, always. I think it's the falling giant syndrome.

And I think Zeldman is letting all those previous IE versions -that really disappointed and almost ignored web standards- get in the way. He should give IE9 a serious try. And write about it.

Anti-MS FUD is a horrible thing.
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Exactly right! (NT)
Loverock Davidson 17th Mar 2010
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It gets no respect.. No resepct at all...
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whaaaa....whaaa.... (lol.... grin )

It gets no respect.. No resepct at all...

And it shouldn't, given what an inescapable proprietary piece of crap it is...

HactiveX, anyone?
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Open Source Zealots are funny
Michael Alan Goff 19th Mar 2010
I'm afraid you're running out of things to criticize, so you're going for the pathetic ones. It's sad, really. Bet you think you're SO COOL with your linux distro.
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I am cool
still not nice 19th Mar 2010
Bet you think you're SO COOL with your linux distro.

And I understand. You tried, but you weren't smart enough to use it.

wink
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Nah
Michael Alan Goff 19th Mar 2010
I LOVE linux. I'd very much like it to succeed, but I doubt that it will. Maybe if there was ONE linux? I could see Ubuntu being a nice flagship to get people's attention.

I use what works for me WITH THE MOST EASE, not for the sake of some fanboyism.
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Sure ya do, pal
still not nice 20th Mar 2010
Unfortunately, it seems magnanimity isn't one of the strong suits they teach in Micro$oft's bi-monthly shill class.
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Although
Viva la crank dodo 22nd Mar 2010
I think open source zealots are funny, I find MS zealots funny as well, even if there does seem to be fewer of them.

What I find much more humorous is that both MS supporters and Linux supporters appear to think it is only the other side that has zealots or seem to imagine that the zealots are the rule of the other side. Even while the supporters may not be a zealot themselves, they interact with zealots of their own leanings as if they are rational individuals while not condoning the same level of zealotry from the opposing view.
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Agreed
jhughesy 18th Mar 2010
The Anti-MS FUD has become a virus in the IT industry.
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for taking away their reasons to hate Microsoft.

C'est la vie.
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Spot On.
No_Ax_to_Grind 18th Mar 2010
Of course the AMB crowd will never open their eyes, thats their loss.
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Opps, meant ABM (nt)
No_Ax_to_Grind 18th Mar 2010
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True
Viva la crank dodo 22nd Mar 2010
a quality shared by the NBM crowd.
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The standard fare.
Cayble Updated - 18th Mar 2010
"people hating the idea that an MS product could be popular simply based on its own merits"

Those are simple but wise words to be sure. Keep in mind there is a very powerful reason why the Windows and MS haters cringe at the thought that someone might like a MS product simply based on its merits.

The majority of the true MS "haters", not the ones who simply prefer Linux or Mac, but the ones who live to defile the name of MS at every opportunity, have long fought the argument that someone with 90%+ market share must be doing something right. They have to fight this argument because its a very powerful argument. Once any single company takes about 90% of the market in any product it is hugely telling as to the quality and usability the public sees in the product. And that is particularly important where the product is as broadly used as a computer OS is.

The Windows haters have fought that argument with the come back that Windows is only as big in the market place as it is due to the aggressive marketing strategy that puts it on the vast majority of new PC's sold. The claim has always been that people are basically hostage to the OS thats shipped with their PC or laptop, its not because of the merits of the OS that Windows is so broadly used, thats the argument.

Face it, if the Windows haters start finding as a fact that there are Windows based products that people do like on the merits then it gradually begins to kick the foundation out from under their house of cards. It begins to say to the Windows haters, your wrong about it being nothing but market strategy that is the reason people use Windows so much. And with about a 90% market share, what that says is volumes of good things about Windows.

If you notice, the true Windows haters to often rely on what they hate about Windows as their reasons for using something else, not the good reasons for using the alternative to Windows as being the reason Windows was left behind by them. It seems crazy at times but thats exactly what they do, they far more often say ridiculously awful things about Windows as opposed to saying good things about their OS of choice.

I know if I'm asked why I use Windows I don't say because Apple sucks, or Linux blows. I speak of Windows compatibility with many programs I use and enjoy using including games. I speak of Windows plug and play ease of installation with massive amounts of different hardware. I speak of the fact that I build my own computers and do regular upgrading, much of which is made far more difficult in a name brand box of any kind so I don't buy HP or Dell or Apple or any name brand for those reasons alone. If I want to install a three card SLI video set up, I want to be able to do that with my hardware. There are numerous reasons why I use Windows and I am sure there are plenty of reasons why others may choose Linux or Apple, but constantly claiming that Windows is terrible doesn't give any weight what so ever to their reasoning. Simply put, because Windows is not terrible, it may be no good for them but the perfect thing for others.

If anything ever comes out as a strong definitive fact that most people use Windows because its what they like then expect to see some real genuine 'old fashioned' conniption fits by the Windows haters because its going to take away what is apparently their reason for choosing Apple or Linux, and that reason they have said is that Windows is crap. If its not crap then they will have to start liking their OS of choice on its own merits not the pipe dream of it being the best alternative to crap.
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Bonus for the day!
still not nice 18th Mar 2010
Redmond will be pleased...

Now all ya gotta do is get out the sympathy vote.

wink
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What "idea"?
still not nice 18th Mar 2010
I think this has more to do with people hating the idea that an MS product could be popular simply based on its own merits.

"It's own merits"?!?

lol... grin

More like it's own monopolized inertia.

You fanboys sure like to run in packs, don't ya? Peer-pressure and conformity are excellent Borg tools for compliance.
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Meaningless
Viva la crank dodo Updated - 24th Mar 2010
"People" complain about every company
"People" defend every company

To make such broad statements as within your comment is a weak way to turn those that disagree into villains and those that agree into innocent victims. It helps to evoke righteous indignation in those that agree, and try to manipulate the sympathy of the undecided. It pretends to be "common sense" when it is in fact one side of the story presented and generalizes the opponents as absolute zealots, with no middle ground. It implies no end of fallacious reasoning (or lack of it reasoning altogether).

I find such generalized comments both ironic and sad at the same time.
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Downloaded Preview...
Darth Malus 17th Mar 2010
Ed;

Thanks for furnishing the link. I went out and downloaded and ran through the gamut and hope that the compatibility ratings are truthful. Though, I have been using IE since the beginning, I believe it should always conform to the standards. Which of course, has not in the past. Frame rates were clocking 148 FPS with my computer on the demo and that's cool when it comes to the online video and media. However, this is usually determined by additional elements that are beyond the browser capabilities to say the least.

I will be very interested when this project moves to public testing. Do you have any info on when Microsoft plans on doing this, or did I miss that in the article.

Well back to putting together my double Six Core Intel system. With any hopes I may be back online with it tomorrow.
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According to statements made at MIX 2010 yesterday ...
de-void-21165590650301806002836337787023 17th Mar 2010
... MS is planning on updating the IE9 preview vehicle approx once every 8 weeks until the beta ships.

When the beta will ship is anyone's guess, but since MS have indicated that they're aiming to release Win8 (and this IE9) "sometime in 2011", I estimate that we'll see both beta in Jan 2011 and RTM some time in July/August 2011.
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Thanks!!!!
Darth Malus 17th Mar 2010
NT
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Lost respect
rjohn05 Updated - 17th Mar 2010
I lost a little respect for Zeldman after that post. I figured he was above all of that.

Oh well.

Moving on.
The article yesterday on IE9 got me interested in the improvements in HTML. But, IE9 would not install on my work desktop - XP SP3. Firefox would. All I can say is that HTML5 and Canvas look really good. IE9, not so much.
Fantastic news about the new release.I positively enjoying each little bit of it and I have you b o o k m a r k e d to check out new stuff you weblog post.Im not sure i come to an agreement with you on every level, howevor it absolutely was a good posting, many thanks for taking the time to put up your ideas

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