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IE9 will tell just how agile Microsoft really is

By | August 13, 2010, 2:13pm PDT

Summary: Is Microsoft agile enough to compete in the modern browser market? Sure, what they’re showing off in the IE9 platform previews now is interesting, but it’s unfinished. How long will it take for next month’s beta to turn into a final product? And how quickly before the competition leapfrogs it?

Whenever the conversation turns to browsers lately, the question comes up: Can Microsoft be agile enough? Sure, what they’re showing off in the IE9 platform previews now is interesting, but it’s unfinished. Microsoft is planning to release an IE9 beta on September 15, but how long will it take for that beta to turn into a final product? And how quickly before the competition leapfrogs it?

Those doubts are understandable. Over the years, Microsoft hasn’t exactly developed a reputation for swift, sure software development. But how does their performance compare with rival software developers? I went back and looked at the record, counting the number of days between major releases for IE, Firefox, Google Chrome, and Safari. Here’s what the results look like, in chart form (click to see the full version in its own window):

I had to make a couple assumptions for this chart. I assumed that the final release of Internet Explorer would be on March 30, 2011, roughly six months after the beta and around the time of Microsoft’s MIX conference. I think that’s a reasonable period of time for the full beta cycle to complete. (By way of comparison, Microsoft went from beta to RTM of Windows 7 in less time than that.) Performance on the IE9 development effort has been very steady, with new releases every 6-8 weeks. So it can certainly be done. I also gave Mozilla credit for its Beta 2 release of Firefox 4 in July. Even with that largesse, they’ve still taken an unusually long time between major releases.

It’s hard to fully gauge what Microsoft is capable of doing based on past performance. Every single version of Internet Explorer up till now has been tied to a new release of Windows, which explains the enormous gap between IE6 (Windows XP, 2001) and IE7 (Vista, 2006). Clearly, Microsoft realizes that three years might be a reasonable gap between Windows releases, but it’s far too big a gap  between browser updates. So what is the right number? In his keynote address at MIX06, Bill Gates was fairly blunt:

The browser we need to be unbelievably agile with. I don’t know if [the proper release cycle is] nine months or 12 months or what it is, but it’s much more like that than what we’ve done for these last three years.

Based on recent performance, Microsoft is a long ways from being able to deliver a new browser every year. Ironically, Apple is there already, releasing Safari 5 364 days after Safari 4. And Google is working at twice that speed, releasing Chrome 5 almost exactly six months after its predecessor. That’s understandable, given Chrome’s minimal user interface.

Picking the right release cycle is a tremendous balancing act for Microsoft, one in which they have to accommodate the demands of conservative corporate customers (who want to avoid upgrades except when absolutely required) and big-spending, trend-setting early adopters, who crave change.

The big question is whether IE9 represents a true break from the past for Microsoft. From a standards point of view, that’s certainly true, and its development effort also suggests a tempo that it hasn’t come close to in the past. Maybe after IE9 is complete, Microsoft will finally be able to pick up the pace, with the engine evolving along with the W3C’s HTML5 specifications. If that’s the case, an annual browser update could be the norm, with Internet Explorer 10 ready in early 2012, in time to be included with Windows 8.

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RE: IE9 will tell just how agile Microsoft really is
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Chrome in the last 6 months,
Snooki_smoosh_smoosh 13th Aug 2010
has become my primary web browser over Firefox. It is finally getting compelling extensions, and updating it, well I don't even need to think about it.

IE is a legacy long dead. It isn't extension-able, and it is a slow slug. I still like FireFox, however, in an enterprise environment, it isn't feasible to keep it up to date, and repackaging it is a pain. Chrome is easy, and keeps itself up to date, and IE, well it has WSUS, which is why in our organization we only support and leave installed IE. We don't prevent them from installing Chrome, since, well it installs into the user profile level anyway, and since it self updates, don't need to worry about keeping up on the updates.

In order for IE to be even remotely compelling, it needs to be HTML5 compliant, (yes, I know, it is still a work in progress) which I believe that is what the Alpha previews were all about, and it needs to be fast at starting up, responsive, and fast at rendering many types of web content, such as flash and Java.

Currently, I only use IE if I absolutely must.
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RE: IE9 will tell just how agile Microsoft really is
de-void-21165590650301806002836337787023 13th Aug 2010
@JM1981 - I strongly encourage you to download and play with the latest IE9 preview. I think you'll be pretty amazed by its rendering and script execution capabilities. The IE9 preview is already ACID3 compliant except for the areas which will soon be removed from ACID3 anyhow.

How the full IE experience will feel when the new rendering and execution engines are fitted with the new IE shell we'll have to wait until Sept 15th to find out.

But writing Microsoft off at this point would, I think, be somewhat foolhardy.
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@de-void "The IE9 preview is already ACID3 compliant except for the areas which will soon be removed from ACID3 anyhow."

How convenient. Actually, IE9 is shaping up to be a significant improvement over IE8, both in terms of speed and compatibility. IE9's ACID 3 score is in the 80's. IE8 got a 29. IE8 was noticeably slower than the competition in certain functionality. IE9 appears to be much closer to the competition.

All this coming from a guy who avoids IE, and Windows, whenever possible. I agree with Ed's comments concerning the agility of the IE9 team. Microsoft has made great strides with IE9. That is, assuming it turns out as good as it sounds.
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Correction: IE9 scores 95 on Acid3
Ed Bott Updated - 14th Aug 2010
@Info-Dave

Not "in the 80s" as you say.

And the remaining five points are attributable to tests that have been deprecated or will be changed in the final HTML5 spec.
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Sorry. Millions beg to differ.
Cayble 13th Aug 2010
@JM1981
Of course you assume the millions don't know anything but in my mind, I have, and I have used extensively every major browser in existence and IE works great and every other browser just feels like a poorly thought out clone of IE with the changes only being there for the sake of showing they are different, always the poor sister in comparison, but yes, different.
@Cayble
IE is the default (and only) browser on almost every Windows machine sold, and for millions that blue e is synonymous with the internet. Yet, in spite of these tremendous advantages, IE has steadily declined in market share as the "millions" have actively chosen to ditch it for superior browsers.

IE is unequivocally inferior to much of its competition -- it only "works great" for you because web developers have wasted hours and hours to make sure you remain blissfully unaware of its numerous shortcomings. It survives through ignorance and corporate dependence on bad browser-specific code.

Browsers are designed to do the same thing, so they will be similar in many ways -- but if you're going to accuse something of being a clone, IE has copied Netscape and every other browser out there from the beginning.

Far from being different for the sake of difference, alternative browsers are different for the sake of fostering innovation and pushing forward the evolution of the web -- an evolution that Microsoft has stunted over the past decade with interminably long development cycles and lackluster upgrades.

But having said all that, I do think IE9 has the potential to be a great browser. IE's declining market share has forced them back into the game, and while it's been a game of catch-up for the past two releases, they're finally in a position to offer up a worthy competitor to Gecko & WebKit browsers. IE8 is a decent if unimpressive browser. IE9 is looking like it could be more than evenly matched with Firefox 4 or Chrome 6.

But no matter how good IE9 is, I personally will not use it, because I do not yet trust Microsoft. If IE9 is great, it is great because other browsers forced it to be. Chrome and Firefox aren't going away anytime soon, but if they did I wouldn't trust Microsoft to stick to its new rapid and innovative development philosophy. I don't want to see IE9 dominate the market unchanged for 5 years like IE6 did. Long live the browser wars!
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@Cayble

I agree. All the other browsers look like poor clones of IE.

All this over essentially a picture frame.
@tonymcs

Yes, kind of like a picture frame, if there were a picture frame only capable of framing paint-by-numbers watercolors (except in order for the painting to look right in the frame, you have to paint some of the numbers wrong), and for years this is the only frame used by major galleries, so everybody has to paint for it. Except some artists want to make art that goes a little beyond paint-by-numbers watercolors, so they build a better frame, and produce superior art to go in it, until the galleries have to take notice and say -- wow, this frame is really holding us back.
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@McMoose
Very well explained. If you don't believe that browser you've loved for years is as bad as McMoose has described then find yourself a web developer and set aside an hour or so.

I'm very excited about IE9 and that someday we won't have to test our sites in 2 or 3 different virtual machines to see how eff'd up it looks in each version of IE.
@Cayble

I've used every browser extensively, when I have a choice, it's Firefox.

That doesn't mean anyone else should choose mine simply because I think it's best. However, I've switched over quite a few users simply by letting them see what the perks are of choosing like I do.

For example, I'll set them up with Adblock Plus and they find the newfound peace from flash ads to be amazing.

I'll set them up with xmarks and they'll never have to worry about losing booksmarks or passwords again. I'll set them up with complete customizability and they never go back to IE again.

Doesn't seem like a "poorly thought out clone of IE" to me or anyone who uses it.

IE on the other hand, just stays slow. Haven't tried the beta and don't plan on it for the simple reason that I've already got Firefox, Flock, Chromium, Chrome and Epiphany. Why would I choose IE when I already have 4 browsers to choose from, all of which do everything I ever asked and more?
@JM1981

"IE is a legacy long dead. It isn't extension-able, and it is a slow slug."

As far as extensions go - we haven't a clue as to what will happen, since Microsoft hasn't gotten to that point in development yet.

As far as being slow, however, it looks like performance is a primary focus of Microsoft this time around, and it looks to be plenty competitive.

"In order for IE to be even remotely compelling, it needs to be HTML5 compliant, (yes, I know, it is still a work in progress)"

And as a work in progress, it's already doing far better than most other browsers, if Microsoft's numbers are to be believed.

"and fast at rendering many types of web content, such as flash and Java."

Flash and Java do their own rendering and processing using code written by Adobe and Sun/Oracle, which means that browser choice has little, if any, impact on their performance.
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IE "Extensions"
Wolfie2K3 14th Aug 2010
@CobraA1
They're called "add-ons" instead of Extensions. Funny thing - there ARE some extensions for IE out there. IE Spell, for instance, is a freeware spell checker add-on. There are others available.
"They're called 'add-ons' instead of Extensions."

Okay, thanks, I guess I wasn't paying attention.

In any case - there's just not a whole lot of them for IE, and most of them are scattered all over the web. There's just not a lot of cohesion there. It's nothing like Firefox or Chrome right now.
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@CobraA1
They have a home here:
http://www.ieaddons.com/en/

That's NOT to say that some site somewhere else can't host their IE add-on elsewhere.
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@Wolfie2k3:

Call me when the following page has more than "No items match your search" on it:

http://www.ieaddons.com/en/search/?search=ad%20block
@JM1981
Chrome is just more Google spyware. It is a no go in any corporate environment that values privacy and confidentiality. If you want to give your life to Google, that is your business. But, it should not be permitted on corporate computers unless senior management has made an informed decision.
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@jorjitop If you are worried about privacy then use Chromium
@ssj6akshat
You beat me to it. Chromium is fully open code and so far it's easy, by inspecting the code, to see there is no personal info sent to google at all.

@ those who say that firefox is an IE clone:
It's probably best to do a little research. First modern browser was Mosaic which later became Netscape Navigator. Microsoft, upon seeing Netscape's success, released IE for free with Windows. IE was almost an exact clone of "Spyglass" Mosaic browser which was based on the original Mosaic browser. In 98' Netscape founded the Mozilla foundation which led to a stripped down version of Netscape called Firefox. This was true innovation because it allowed you to install only the functionality you need. These add-ons have led to many innovations that IE has incorporated into itself. IE is the real clone and has been playing catch up for years. The only reason for IE's success is that it comes installed on your computer by default.
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@JM1981 Chrome is big brother watching you.
@JM1981 IE8 doesn't need extensions or as they're properly called , addons to acheive functionality and security. Out of the box, it's the most functional and secure browser of all. Firefox REQUIRES that the user install addons to achieve an acceptable level of security and it is at a price of usability and ability to view pages in their entirety. I only use a few web slices and accelerators in IE and that's it. I do not block ads, scripts, or anything else but popups. IE8 is the only browser I will use and I have tried all of the others and found them lacking. Chrome comes in dead last because of it's sheer ugliness and terrible UI implementation. I found no differences in speed in the way I use a browser and the UI of IE is simply the best and easiest to use. IE also has always been the fastest at loading a page from a cold start. I couldn't care less about the ACID3 wishlists or at this point even HTML5 which is years away from substantial implementation.
IE9 looks fantastic so far and it will probably go a long way in gaining market share for what has always been the best browser. Long live Microsoft and Internet Explorer.
@dch48

If your only security measure is a popup blocker, welcome to Firefox, it has one built in which actually works quite well.

However, if you have the desire to block drive by downloads, secure your browsers private info, prevent website history from remaining in your browser then you may want to choose Firefox for those addons you so blatantly hate. After all, IE won't prevent flash Ads (they house drive by downloads) and it won't prevent javascript from loading on your machine (can be used to glean information from your machine).
If you simply want to have a lean, quick browsing experience, Firefox is also for you. You can also choose Chrome, Chromium, Opera, Flock, Iron or a number of other browsers which will all do the job while giving other perks IE simply can't give.

As for IE being the best browser, it never was. It was simply the most widely used. Thankfully, that time is coming to an end.
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@tmsbrdrs I have no desire to block Flash or javascript as I want to see the full content of pages without having to click to allow this or that. My browsing history is deleted every day by a nice little program called CCleaner. The SmartScreen filter and other security features built in to IE with no need for addons take care of most of the rest. I have tried all the alternatives you mentioned and rejected them all for usability reasons. In the way I use my browser , IE8 is just as fast at loading a page as any of the others and is faster from a cold start than any of them. IE's days of being the most widely used will never come to an end and when IE9 hits the market, share for IE will substantially increase.
As far as developers go, they should be coding for IE first as it employs the real "Standards". Standards are things that are in widespread usage and acceptance. Acid3 and HTML5 are not standards, they are wishlists.
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@dch48 says...
I do not block ads, scripts, or anything else but popups.

My jaw just dropped when I ready that. Sounds like 2002 all over again.

You do realize you'll collect plenty of malware doing that, don't you? CCleaner (as good as it is, for what it is) won't prevent much of that. Or are you really that foolish...

IE8 is the only browser I will use and I have tried all of the others and found them lacking.

Uh, I use IE8 only because that's the only browser my employer allows, and for the few sites that I have to visit because they require ActiveX. If I could dump it entirely, I would.

IE also has always been the fastest at loading a page from a cold start. I couldn't care less about the ACID3 wishlists or at this point even HTML5 which is years away from substantial implementation. IE9 looks fantastic so far and it will probably go a long way in gaining market share for what has always been the best browser. Long live Microsoft and Internet Explorer.

Wow, that sounds like a quote straight out of a Micro$oft ad. Are you sure you didn't plagiarize this from somewhere else?

lol... grin
@aah so
I have been doing things the same way since 1999 and I have never been infected by any malware. There have been 15-20 attempts that have all been blocked by my AV of choice at the time, first McAfee, then Norton for 8 years, and now Avast!. I do periodic backup scans with Malwarebytes and SuperAntiSpyware and nothing is ever found. Sometimes the ads on a page are essential to the page and even when not, they're often more entertaining than the page itself. The only time I did try blocking ads (maybe 8 years ago) it actually slowed my browsing down quite a bit. From what I know about no script in FF, it's just as annoying and intrusive as HIPS which I also refuse to use any more after suffering with it for a year in Comodo. Sandboxing is also out at this time.


I also never said that CCleaner would block anything. I just said it deletes my browsing history among other things.
No, I did not plagarize a MS ad but I do always find their ads informative and entirely accurate. I trust MS far more than any open source garbage.
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I have been doing things the same way since 1999 and I have never been infected by any malware.

Never ever?

lol... grin Ok, well whatever... Standalone machines won't get infected. You're safe.

There have been 15-20 attempts that have all been blocked by my AV of choice at the time, first McAfee, then Norton for 8 years, and now Avast!. I do periodic backup scans with Malwarebytes and SuperAntiSpyware and nothing is ever found.

I've had plenty of false negatives with Malwarebytes. The best way to use it is do a full scan in safe mode (for hidden .dlls) and make sure it's updated all the time.

I'd also try ComboFix. It finds malware that Malwarebytes and others don't find. You could be infected and not know it. Easily.

Sometimes the ads on a page are essential to the page and even when not, they're often more entertaining than the page itself.

LOL... grin Whatever floats yer boat, man.

Drive-by infections are not uncommon. Plus distracting me with intrusive Flash ads is a great way to piss me off and not get me to buy your products. Not to mention the added time and resources it takes to load a web page full of them.

Ads, begone!

The only time I did try blocking ads (maybe 8 years ago) it actually slowed my browsing down quite a bit.

Well that was 8 years ago. Things have changed quite a bit since then. Malware is much more sophisticated now. Do try to keep up with the times.

From what I know about no script in FF, it's just as annoying and intrusive as HIPS which I also refuse to use any more after suffering with it for a year in Comodo.

That's because you don't know how to use it properly. Adblock is a more passive blocker and works almost as well. But then, you probably never tried that one, either...

Sandboxing is also out at this time.

Given all the patches for IE8 and Windoze 7 in recent weeks, I think sandboxing is a load of M$ hype that offers more limited protection than M$ claims.

Compared with IE6, it looks like a vast improvement but since IE6 didn't have much in the way of security to begin with, that isn't saying much.

But again, whatever floats your boat.

I also never said that CCleaner would block anything. I just said it deletes my browsing history among other things.

Ok, then why did you bring it up? Cleaners are not malware blockers and the vast majority of malware do not reside in temp files.

No, I did not plagarize a MS ad but I do always find their ads informative and entirely accurate.

Well it sounded like a canned script to me. I don't place much faith in a monopoly that thinks it can bend it's will towards it's customers and expect everyone to nod to them in obedience. If you feel happy with that, then 'good' for you.

I trust MS far more than any open source garbage.

How do you know? Have you ever used it? Have you ever tried it?

Or do you always place your faith in one basket?
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RE: IE9 will tell just how agile Microsoft really is
Third of Five Updated - 20th Aug 2010
@dch48
"Sometimes the ads on a page are essential to the page and even when not, they're often more entertaining than the page itself."

I can say with certainty that I have not seen one single ad that could be considered even remotely "essential" to a web page, at least in terms of getting me to the data I came to the site to see.
@JM1981 You are very wrong to think it is OK to allow Chrome to install in the "profile level". If you think yes, then you know little or nothing about Windows security.
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IE9 will tell us just how ahead of the game Microsoft is and why people continue to underestimate them. IE9 will be the release that is going to shock people. IE at work FF at home, its a perfect combo.
@Loverock Davidson Gag me, please.
@Loverock Davidson The true question is how long will it shock us for, Chrome rapid development cycle will mean it will overtake an over come any advantage Microsoft has unless they keep up development.
Whole an they need to get me away from google sync an chrome interface to, both highly addictive for me.
@Loverock Davidson

Sorry, I no longer use IE, FireFox, or Opera. Now that I found a ported version of Chrome for FreeBSD, that is all I use.

I like alot of features on Opera more than I do IE or FireFox, but the fact that Chrome just kicks all the other browsers butts in speed makes it my primary browser.
@Loverock Davidson No, IE for everything is the perfect solution.
The problem wasn't just with the time it took to get some of those IE releases out, it was also the awfulness they contained.

I am intrigued by your comment about the minimal UI for Chrome. Just what additional stuff would you suggest for Chrome in its UI? Now I grant you it could use a home button and a print button, but I hardly think Home and Print are helping Google put out versions in 1/4th the time of MSFT.
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RE: IE9 will tell just how agile Microsoft really is
de-void-21165590650301806002836337787023 13th Aug 2010
@shollomon - Google (Apple, and to a lesser degree, Firefox) benefit from a lack of legacy. Google doesn't have to give a damn about enterprise scenarios and doesn't have to worry about backward compatbility. This gives them ENORMOUS benefits in terms of their ability to iterate quickly and with new features that are relatively infrequently used.

Because IE was THE corporate browser for so very long, they have a MUCH harder task on their hands to completely rewrite their rendering and script execution engines without breaking existing apps and sites.

From what I've already seen from playing with the last few IE9 previews, however, Microsoft is coming close to really upsetting the applecart (pun intended wink ). IE9's rendering speed is astonishing. And the script exectution is now within a few milliseconds of any other browser's script execution engine.

With IE9, the cat is about to leap into the flock of pigeons.
@shollomon Google has a home button if you check it off in the options.
I believe that the main reason that Microsoft is less agile is because of their commitment to their large corporate customers. These big customers complain loudly if a new release is not backwards compatible with earlier versions.

Mozilla, Apple and Google on the other hand do not have the same focus on large companies. Many of their users are small businesses and individuals who do not have a big investment in legacy web applications that were built in-house. Smaller users are happy as long as the publicly available web applications continue to work.

As a result, Mozilla, Apple and Google will always be more agile, until (and if) the corporations start to make official use of the non-Microsoft browsers.
@jb3d Or the apps they use are coded to strict standards base an they demand the browsers stick to standard.
I believe Microsoft is essentially breaking backward compatibility by simply only allowing Windows 7 users to update anyway.
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@Knowles2
It's only XP users who will be left out in the cold.
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@Wolfie
XP users may not be completely left out. I expect there to be patches for IE8 to implement some of the functionality of IE9. In the way that Windows98 contained many core files from NT,ME,and 2000 by the end of it's lifetime, the same thing may happen with IE8 for XP.
@jb3d

Ironically, the last company that had to deal with legacy needs of businesses and government to maintain outdate systems such as COBOL based software and pre-hierarchical file systems was a company called IBM. Sometimes the only reasonable solution is to launch a new, parallel system that addresses current considerations and leave the old system in permanent maintenance mode.
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I think that IE9 will be a make a break milestone for Microsoft. Many users have shifted to Chrome and even older users are using Firefox. IE has always suffered from speed issues especially with surfers who browse several pages at once in different tabs and/or windows
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if someone has followed that in last one year.
@deep@...
I have, and using version 2 already right now.
But still stuck in 3.5 .net framework though.
Would love to move to 4 to take advantage of C# dynamics.
I don't have a lot of faith in MS's browser right now, since IE8 was the version of IE that finally forced me to choose another browser. Among other issues, IE8's inability to keep track of where you last saved a file, forcing you to manually navigate to your wanted folder often with every save. Annoying, and a productivity drain. I can deal with a bug, but worse is MS's attitude on this issue. 'Works as designed', and no apparent wish to bother to solve it, despite hordes of people who find the issue extremely annoying and unworkable.

However, if IE9 doesn't have little niggles like that, I MIGHT try it out. But that's a mighty big might, because Firefox has finally managed to impress me.
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And a different perspective
Economister 14th Aug 2010
@KOS-MOS

After what MS did to Netscape, how they tried to take over the internet standards (with their own proprietary formats - I guess another EEE act on their part) and once having cornered the browser market, showing no interest in meeting the users' needs by improving their browser, I frankly could not give a damn about IEanyversion. I do not care about how good/bad or indifferent it may be. I WILL NOT use it.

In my world, acts have consequences.
@Economister
Couldn't have said it better myself!
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Why ppost in an IE 9 blog
Michael Alan Goff 16th Aug 2010
@Economister

just to say you won't use it? o_O
@KOS-MOS
There is no such bug in IE8. It always remembers where you saved the last download and lets you change it easily unlike the other browsers.
@dch48 ...because Chrome (from which I type this) has a default Downloads folder which it will download to, unless you select the "Ask to save..." option (something I don't think IE8 has, but I may be wrong).

As for "Save As" it works the same in both browsers and opens the last location.
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I work with Windows every day. But when venturing onto the net
Dietrich T. Schmitz, ~ Your Linux Advocate Updated - 14th Aug 2010
I use Linux.
Why? Unlike Windows, Linux provides LSM.
LSM ensures that my browser session is safely sandboxed and that privilege escalation will never happen. NEVER.

In addition, LSM polices the kernel, not just the app. That's the BIG difference that sets Linux's security model apart from Windows.

The litany of Zero-day exploits will continue for Windows. Some of the exploits affecting Windows require immediate remediation for which there are no solutions but to put duct tape on the power switch and a bead of caulk in the ethernet jack.

But, with Linux you are safe to address your security patch process in an orderly safe way without worry.

Stop chasing wind mills. Get peace of mind with Linux.
I use Ubuntu Linux: the safest operating system on the planet.

I stake my reputation on it.
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