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Linux ready to replace Windows? Not yet…

By | October 6, 2008, 11:28am PDT

Summary: Is Linux ready to replace Windows on the desktop? Linux advocates think that light, cheap netbooks show off the advantages of an open-source OS over Windows. Out in the real world, though, the market is arguing to the contrary. The director of sales for one especially hot-selling netbook says its Linux-based machines are being returned at four times the rate of the Windows version. Research shows that after playing around with Linux, people “don’t want to spend the time to learn it, so they bring it back to the store.”

Over at JKOnTheRun, James Kendrick uncovers a fascinating statistic originally published in Laptop Magazine:

Andy Tung, Director of US Sales for MSI … told Laptop that their experience shows that netbooks with Linux are returned four times more often than those with Windows XP.  This would indicate what others have already noted, many consumers pick up the cheaper systems and then realize that the Linux system is not what they are used to so they return it.

And this is for a product that is targeted at early adopters who are far more technically sophisticated than average; the MSI Wind is a tiny, dirt-cheap portable PC that has been selling like gangbusters to the digital elite and gadget freaks since its launch in June. I would assume that this audience would be more forgiving of rough edges and usability gotchas than more mainstream PC buyers. This comment by MSI’s Andy Tung from the original interview highlights the uphill struggle that PC makers have when dealing with Linux:

Our internal research has shown that … the main cause [of the higher return rates for Linux-based machines] is Linux. People would love to pay $299 or $399 but they don’t know what they get until they open the box. They start playing around with Linux and start realizing that it’s not what they are used to. They don’t want to spend time to learn it so they bring it back to the store.

The interviewers interrupt at this point to note that they “struggled with the Linux version of the Wind U90” as well and ask whether the company plans to customize a Linux OS for the machine instead of using an off-the-shelf distro:

We plan to bring the Linux version to the U.S by the end of the year. But we are working on some of the issues with the SUSE Linux and even continue to explore other flavors of Linux. We have discussed Ubuntu with a Mac OS type of look and feel. We are talking to different suppliers to figure out the best user experience.

Finding software developers to build and support a great user experience that ties hardware and software together isn’t cheap or easy. It’s hard to imagine how that job can get done at all, much less be done well, on a PC that sells for $399 or less.

I have a couple of Linux-based systems here that I use occasionally for testing and just to stay on top of what’s happening in the wide world of computing.  I have been impressed with the way that popular Linux distros like Ubuntu have improved with each new release; these days, Linux is a great choice for technically sophisticated users who don’t mind being far, far out of the mainstream. But for people who don’t have the time or the inclination to make fundamental changes, it’s a nonstarter. If I were to switch to Linux for daily use, I would have to dramatically change my work habits and learn to use a very different set of tools than I use today. The same would be true of any of my home or small business clients.

As someone who writes about Windows for a living, I get a disproportionate amount of feedback from people who argue that open-source software is a panacea and that dumping Windows for Linux is the answer to every problem that affects the Windows ecosystem. The market is doing a pretty good job of proving that they’re wrong, as this example shows.

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RE: Linux ready to replace Windows? Not yet???
scottux 16th Mar 2009
Linux has already replaced Windows in my world.

Some of you guys really do not know what you are talking about and have way to much time on your hands.

Linux is better than Windows in many ways. I can tell you that I went from Windows XP to Vista and then to Kubuntu. I think this time I am done with Windows for good. I got so sick of it crashing, hogging resources, and rebooting whenever it felt like it. For all the money I have given Microsoft, they have wasted more of my time with their crappy software than I care to think about.

My Linux machines are stable and free. I am able to browse the web securely, I can participate in my college schoolwork with open office. I use a vaio laptop - all of my hardware works, my digital camera, my printer, wi-fi, network storage devices, all of that. And plus Amarok is better than iTunes, media player, or winamp.

I have been so sick of the Microsoft way of doing things for so long now, I couldn't imagine going back.

People are creatures of habit and will believe all kinds of nonsense based on loose facts and sketchy research. Linux is more than ready to replace Windows - some people just aren't ready to go back to looking like a newb because they don't have their neat little Windows tricks to show off anymore.
using Windows. Non-technical people that are not involved in the technical issues, and do not know what Linux is (yet), will not be happy with Linux laptops unless there is somebody to tell them what they are getting and help them through the first month or so.

And, as some are tied to Windows only applications, Linux is not an options at all right now, no matter how good it is.
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It is not that they are creatures of habit,
GuidingLight Updated - 6th Oct 2008
You give way too little credit to the intelligence of your fellow man.

It is not that they are "creatures of habit",
but instead have a set of requirements that can not be met by Linux.

If those requirements are to be able to start the computer, install their existing software and files, use their existing hardare, use what they already know, what advantage does Linux give them? Nothing.

And who are you to say that is wrong? I am sure you have your own regiment of places, foods, and brands you stick to, why is that acceptable, but it's not acceptable to apply that same logic to an operating system?

Interesting thought.
It only has to do with available applications, the fact that they have years using Windows, and that service, support, and help for Windows is much more readily available.

And, nobody is insulting the intelligence of the average user. They can be very intelligent and creative, but, their life does not revolve around computers, and they have years using one interface, they do not understand why they should learn something else. Linux is a big unknown for them. And, that does not imply ANYTHING about their intelligence.

In fact, Linux is much better in many areas, but, the average user does not understand all of this. The process of diffusion of innovation is not overnight.
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Ed Bott 6th Oct 2008
Never thought I'd say that! wink

In addition, don't underestimate the value of time. These days, people have a lot of competition for their time and energy. They are likely to be worried about their job, and the idea of being unproductive is not appealing. Better the devil you know than the one you don't.
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It's the apps too!
wolf_z 6th Oct 2008
Never forget *all* the applications. It's not just games, it's all the oddball stuff like diabetic test meters, pilot software, golf score databases, rock hound software, and on and on...

Wine is not the solution to any of that.
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Wine is not the solution to any of that.
Yagotta B. Kidding 6th Oct 2008
Don't be so certain. $DAUGHTER is using a screwball RCA voice recorder in her research and for whatever reason RCA keeps the data in a format all their own. They also provide a Microsoft downloadable utility for managing the files and converting them to reasonable stuff like WAV.

While she was disconnected from the Net, I went to RCA's site and downloaded the utility update, pointed my file manager at the download, launched it, and watched the installer come up under WINE. Once installed, I ran it on a test file she sent me and everything went smoothly; end result a perfectly usable WAV file that can be churned by any toolchain around.

Bottom line: don't discount WINE. It's surprisingly good.
WINE still uses API's and intellectual property which Microsoft hasn't fully licensed. Likewise, portions of Windows are reverse-engineered, which stands against the Windows EULA, so it's not legal. The fact that Microsoft hasn't addressed it doesn't mean that they won't in the future, and it's not exactly going to be a trip in the park for the developers around fair-use or anti-trust regulations. Try as you might to dance around Richard Stallman hippy free-software sentiments, but breaking copyrights and causing patent infringement is also breaking the law.
slow adoption of Linux. And, yes, Windows almost always gets support for devices before Linux. Manufacturers know the current percentages of market share . . . .

But, these things have nothing to do with whether of not Linux is better or easier to use than Windows.
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@Joe_Raby - No and No ...
MisterMiester Updated - 6th Oct 2008
WINE still uses API's and intellectual property which Microsoft hasn't fully licensed.

WINE does nothing of the sort. It's a compatibility layer that works with Windows programs, a re-implementation of Windows. WINE is open source so if the code infringed on Microsoft's intellectual property then Codeweavers, the projects sponsor, would have been visited by Microsoft's legal department many moons ago.

Likewise, portions of Windows are reverse-engineered, which stands against the Windows EULA, so it's not legal.

EULAs have never been tested in court as a legally binding contract plus reverse engineering to obtain technical knowledge of a product is perfectly legal both here in the United States and abroad.

The fact that Microsoft hasn't addressed it doesn't mean that they won't in the future ...

Well if their intellectual property is being infringed then under the Doctrine of Laches Microsoft must act in a timely manner or they would be barred from resolution in court.

In addition failure to act on claims of infringements would be considered diluting shareholder value. Microsoft themselves could become the target of a shareholder lawsuit if they fail to protect such valuable intellectual property.

... and it's not exactly going to be a trip in the park for the developers around fair-use or anti-trust regulations.

As for fair-use that extends only to copyrighted works, not patent infringement which is different. A patent is a government sanctioned monopoly on an invention or process for a specific number of years. A copyrighted work is right that is given to an individual or entity to control the distribution of such works for a specific number of years.

Anti-trust regulations only apply to those that have a dominate position in the marketplace or who colluded with others to obtain the same. With either situation developers would not be subject to anti-trust provisions only the companies who would break such regulations.

If you taking about patents then developers already ignore software patterns because they're too broad in scope to determine if they are applicable to the projects they're working on.

What developers typically deal with is licensing issues of copyrighted works with the various licenses available to release their work. Normally they do not deal with fair-use issues unless somehow they are using a copyrighted work without the owners permission or its intended method of distribution.

...breaking copyrights and causing patent infringement is also breaking the law.

Well that's self-evident, but you still failed to prove how WINE is breaking any of these laws. wink

Edit:

Also the Blue-ray "hacks" do not violate traditional copyright or patent law, but they may violate the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). They reason it may violate the act is that you're not circumventing the copy protection, but using an actually key to unlock a legally obtained work. These issues have not been tested in court. The DMCA doesn't apply to any other countries except the United States.
Sorry, I know you probably wish it were true, but no, Microsoft does not yet have the power to create and enforce laws.

I can make an EULA that says you're only allowed to use my software while wearing purple socks. It's meaningless.
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My personal bet is that. . . .
JLHenry 6th Oct 2008
This is one of the main problems Vista is having, too. It's different enough to cause problems . . .
impression in general that Vista needs a lot more memory and processing power.
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Let this dead horse die already!
ye Updated - 6th Oct 2008
Why upgrade old hardware when you can buy new hardware for so little ($300)? Here is a computer I was recently given:

http://www.powerspec.com/systems/system_specs.phtml?selection=7110

Only it had 256MB of RAM (half was removed). To upgrade this system to Vista would cost:

1 x $130 Vista Home Premium Upgrade
2 x $20 512MB DDR memory (Total 1GB)
1 x $45 AGP Video Card

Total: $215. Difference: $85. That $85 buys me 90GB more HD, 1Gbps ethernet, 1.83GHz dual cores, and a brand new system. Benchmarks with Cinebench R10 show the $300 completing the single core test in ~7 minutes, the multicore test in ~3.5 minutes. The older system completed the test in ~9 minutes even though it is clocked 1.14GHz faster.

It just doesn't make sense to upgrade older hardware (though the older system runs Vista just fine with 1GB of RAM).
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My reply to ye is below, sorry
DonnieBoy 6th Oct 2008
NT.
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Microsoft would have done themsleves ...
mwagner@... 7th Oct 2008
... a favor if they had left a lot of folders and utilities in their "XP locations". Vista brings a lot to the table but some people panic when you move stuff around unnecessarily.
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I can't tell you how much...
sullivanjc 7th Oct 2008
I hate when they do that. Moving stuff around for no other apparent reason than to make it look different is extremely irritating. In some cases, such as arranging control panel into groups of applets instead of displaying them all together, it's a backwards step because you have extra clicks and on top of that have to figure out which category they put a particular applet in.

I always end up putting control panel back to Classic view.
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I dunno.. Changing things from

C:\Documents and Settings\UserID\

to

C:\Users\UserID\

makes for less typing. It kinda makes sense when you're in the command prompt mode and you're hunting for something or other.
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With that attitude
Alan Smithie 7th Oct 2008
Mankind would have never descended from the trees. Once you never knew how to use a computer, a mobile phone, a video recorder etc, etc - it was a steep learning curve.
Windows has not really changed that much since windows 2000 and cannot change easily due to the very reasons that you have given. People do not want it to change as they are used to it (or certain people). If you want windows go - go buy windows, if you want to do things differently or have different ideas choose linux or mac. A uniform ecosystem is very bad from an evolutionary point of view - it stifles choice, invention and competition.

If Henry Ford had his way we would all still be driving Model - Ts
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Model T's...
Wolfie2K3 7th Oct 2008
Might not be such a terrible thing... Except for the fact they're woefully underpowered, uncomfortable, smog producing rattle traps.
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No compelling reason to switch.
Stan57 6th Oct 2008
No compelling reason to even think about using another OS. If what i am using just works,does everything i ask of it there is no other reason other then to mess around with it. I have tried Gimp,Thunderbird,Blender" Absolutely Horrid Interface,learning curve" and a bunch more free programs made for Windows. Another reason not to switch,theres a windows version for all theses programs.
It great for servers,programs for small devices with no user intervention needed. But for Normal users there just no reason to switch.And another thing why waste all the money we have spent on the programs we do use and Linux doesn't have a copy of every program we use.
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Linux = escape from malware + virus
Don Collins 7th Oct 2008
But for Normal users there just no reason to switch

I switched to Linux to escape from viruses, malware, spyware and keyloggers. I no longer need so-called SECURITY software. Linux doesn't constantly nag you with system pop-ups and nags. It just lets you get on with your task. Linux = a clean, calm and secure environment to work in.
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Sorry for getting you down from your bubble, but Linux systems CAN be hacked. The difference is Linux is used by IT "experts" right now so a mass hacking attemp (viruses, spyware, etc) would likely not success because their users already know a lot about security. If your dream became real (everyone using Linux) viruses and spyware won't die like you said, they will only switch from Windows to Linux
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Linux User 147560 7th Oct 2008
The difference is it's harder to hack a Linux system than a Windows system, although it appears that Vista is holding up pretty well...

"After Mac was hacked in 2 minutes at the CanSecWest Conference, it was now the time for Vista to get hacked on the 3rd day. Vista's security was compromised through the popular 3rd party software, Adobe Flash.

"The contest, which saw a MacBook Air get hacked on Thursday, relaxed the rules even further. On the first day of the contest, only the operating system could be targeted, but on the second day that was expanded to include standard applications. An undisclosed Safari flaw led to the MacBook Air's downfall through the OS X operating system."

The MacBook Air went first; a Fujitsu laptop running Vista was hacked on the last day of the contest; but it was Linux, running on a Sony Vaio, that remained undefeated as conference organizers ended a three-way computer hacking challenge Friday at the CanSecWest conference.
- Source

Looks like they have failed yet again... "This is not the first time we've mentioned a Windows Vista crack, and it won't be the last, but now a hacker group known as NoPE somehow managed to create a cracked Windows Vista DVD that works immediately, out of the box, with no serial number or activation keys required. Just like some of those corporate versions of Windows XP that worked for years, the hacked Vista product appears to be already activated and it even automatically updates itself with the latest patches.

The cat and mouse game continues, where Microsoft will counter this, and then the hackers will respond, and so on, and so on. Of course, activation schemes, digital rights management and security measures only affect the honest people, inconveniencing them and sometimes even stopping them in their tracks, while the h4ck3rz rise to the challenge every time with their formidable sk1llz. Sigh. ? Charlie White
" - Source

Anyhow... it takes more labor to break into a Linux system than a Windows (pre-Vista) system. But now it seems the new Windows is finally capable of at least standing. devil
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@Linux User: CanSecWest Conference
Wolfie2K3 7th Oct 2008
Ah.. Yes.. the Pwn to Own contest...

If memory serves me... The guy who hacked the Vista box said something to the effect that he could have hacked the Linux box BUT he went after the Vista box because he liked it better than the one running Linux AND he could only use the hack he used on the Vista box ONCE.
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Linux User 147560 7th Oct 2008
Sounds like a cop out to me... devil
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@Linux User: CanSecWest Conference
hasta la Vista, bah-bie 8th Oct 2008
If memory serves me... The guy who hacked the Vista box said something to the effect that he could have hacked the Linux box BUT he went after the Vista box because he liked it better than the one running Linux AND he could only use the hack he used on the Vista box ONCE.

Care to cite?

Care to prove that he absolutely did?

Or is this more pie-in-the-sky bragging FUD...
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Here's the citation
Ed Bott 8th Oct 2008
Interview with winners of the Pwn2Own contest:

http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=999

Nate: So then, do you have exploit code for all three of the operating systems, or are you certain that you could?ve written exploit code given enough time?

Shane: Could have been done with enough time, I haven?t used gdb in years, that?s the main hurdle right now. My professional career has been on the Microsoft platform so I?ve not had the time to work with *nix much.
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Means nothing, Ed...
hasta la Vista, bah-bie 8th Oct 2008
Till he cracks it, it's just talk & FUD...
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You must not be using Ubuntu then
sullivanjc 7th Oct 2008
Ubuntu (and other flavors) throws up the root password prompt if you're making any kind of config change, just like UAC.

The malware and security thing is as much a case of Linux not being as popular as Windows though Windows has the added problem of running as an admin most of the time. Just like many Windows apps are not made for Linux, neither is the malware. Were Linux to become more popular, I suspect we'd see more malware developed along with increased apps.

One thing I do like about Linux is that most of the time when you apply updates, you don't have to reboot.
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Not necessarily true ...
MisterMiester 7th Oct 2008
The malware and security thing is as much a case of Linux not being as popular as Windows...

Linux is very popular with web servers. A hacker would much rather target a juicy web sever for bragging rights then Aunt Millie's un-patched copy of XP SP1. So the issue of Linux not having more viruses or malware because of popularity is false.

Were Linux to become more popular, I suspect we'd see more malware developed along with increased apps.

Most likely not to the level of Windows since most users do not run as root and elevating privileges to install and transfer files is the norm with most distros. This is a learned behavior from the beginning when using Linux.

Windows users are not accustomed to elevating privileges, but are accustomed to the lax security policies of previous versions. So Vista UAC is very foreign to these users and in many cases considered annoying to the point that users will turn it off.

So now you have social engineering most of the time that allows malware and viruses onto Windows systems from just plain bad habits learned in the past. wink
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In Ubuntu, you're prompted for your password at most once every 15 minutes, by default (unless you're using different terminal instances).

In addition, as far as I know, you'd still have to change the permissions of standalone Linux malware before it could run, so it most likely wouldn't be nearly as big a problem to have Linux-based malware than Windows-based malware on your computer.
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Clean and secure here too
Stan57 7th Oct 2008
I haven't had any viruses,ever. Since switching to IE I have had 0 malware. again just why should i switch.Safety is a non factor. Im not saying i am 100% safe from Viruses or malware,but nither is linux. If a person wants that cute Icon or pointer it doesnt matter what OS there using there going to install it.
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Linux is NOT secure by any means.
Narg Updated - 7th Oct 2008
We all know that XP was not very secure. It was
really never made to be secure. Here's a few debunks
to your myths about Linux.

- NO OS is safe from social viruses. None.
- Vista has yet to be hacked without a PEBKAC issue.
- Most Linux distros now have as much "popup"
verification needed as Vista does. And always had
more than XP.
- You can run Vista in "white only" mode, were NO
programs run without your permission, therefore
negating the need for anti-virus software.

Linux is nowhere near the "clean calm" environment you
have been sold it to be. Any system is only as "calm
and clean" as the software you install on it. Linux
seems calm and clean because THERE IS NO SOFTWARE TO
INSTALL on it making it much less capable than a good
Windows or OSx machine.

IF we all wanted "clean and calm" then why do we all
seem to want to buy cars with power windows and such
features now days? We don't want clean and calm, we
want it all! Almost everyone wants
features. If they are not there, then they will add
them. Usually without asking (called crapware!) in
many cases. It's a simple fact, the more crap you
install, the less stable your computer is. Do it
right in any OS, including Windows and you will also
have a "clean and calm" system. Any idiot understands
that simple concept.
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False Information
skizzletoe 7th Oct 2008
You haven't used many systems. Look into Plan9 and the MIT exokernel.

Linux systems can be custom built. The prompt is a way of confirming the root password. Running any system in administrator/root mode id foolish.


Software is installed on a Linux system. From these statements, one can tell that you have neither used nor built a linux system or any unix type system.

It would be a waste to tell you about emulation.
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Linux User 147560 7th Oct 2008
Narg? Oh yes! New Abcess Regurgitating Garbage! Yeah, that's about right! devil
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Linux is NOT secure by any means.
tumblemumble 7th Oct 2008
Yes, true! only lobotomy and Scientology's
brainwash methods, AKA M$ marketing strategies,
are the right antiviruses for social virus.

For the rest you aren't well informed.
Pop-ups, as the other crap aren't security
threats if confined into the userland
environment as they are in Linux based o.s. and
not in M$ Windows/Vista and co..

The real security threat is the root/admin (or
superuser) login of an o.s..
Or better said it is the attitude of Windows
users to login as admins. But how do they do in
a different way if nobody teaches the secure
(?) alternative.

Linux users are used to login as unprivileged
users when they have no administration task to
absolve. This place them to the secure side of
the world. wink

Running a browser as admin is idiotic. Running
any user application as admin is idiotic.
Leaving server processes running without a
correct protection policy is idiotic.

Hacking in a o.s. means doing harm to the o.s.
itself, not to the 4 nuts hold in userspace.

Yes, "clean and calm" like in Linux!
"clean and calm" unlike in
windows/Vista/probably7 because of the lack of
minimum knowledge about security policies of
M$. Or is it deliberate?! wink

Do you still be convinced kiddies are writing
virus and that crap? Or are there obscure
powers from the east?

Think about who has the most benefits from all
this vaporware around virus&crap!
A hint, those earning the most money from all
this... wink
And they sell only for Windows/.. o.s.. Still
not enlighted?!
Who seems to be the real idiot here?
lastly. happy
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Uninformed
TedKraan 9th Oct 2008
You seem to know quite a lot of windows and little of Linux(or other OS-es).

I never understand people who attack certain things without looking at them.

I met my share of them too. Apple, Windows, UNIX freaks.. all never touched the competition.

In discussions they always make silly and weak arguments.

I can't comment much on Apple (but what i've seen, seems good)

But i can talk about Linux and Windows, because i used both intensively.
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Escape from crapware...?
Wolfie2K3 7th Oct 2008
Funny... I've been using XP SP2 on this computer and I can't recall the last time I've had a virus. Granted, I tend to be pretty good at resisting the temptations put forth. I delete ALL email that purports to have a link to some great new video of Paris Hilton's naughty bits, ads from Canadian pharmacies promising to sell me cheap meds, and other crap from people or places I don't know. I don't go surfing for "pr0n". In short, I don't visit places that are likely to get me in trouble.

Unfortunately, until people get over their urge to check out this sort of nonsense, things will not change.
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If it doesn't work right
Doug_Alder 10th Oct 2008
right out of the box without any need to look beneath the dashboard it will never replace Windows for the vast majority of users.

I'm running dual boot XP Pro/Ubuntu on my laptop and while I do almost everything via Ubuntu, except RDP into work, I can say that for the average user Linux is still way to much hassle.

It still comes back to drivers and configuration issues. A prime example, in my case, that would have the average user run screaming from the room is getting dual screens to run properly.

There is still too much that HAS to be done from a shell, despite the great progress that's been made. Is it getting closer, absolutely, and Ubuntu is a great example of that, but it's not ready for prime time yet and still has a long way to go.
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It's getting used to the limitations of Linux due to not only compatibilities in hardware and software, but also in the user experience. When it doesn't run the software they want to run, the way they want it to run, or with the functionality that they expect, they realize it's not a "computer" as they know it, so it gets relegated to the purpose of "toy"....or else returned to the store.

People have a preconceived notion of what is defined as a "computer", and sorry to say to the Linux (and Mac) crowd, but the vast majority of computer uses expect (read: understands) that a "computer" comes with Windows. That's just the truth.

If that leaves a sour taste in your mouth, well as the saying goes: the truth hurts.
a number of years using it, and the support network and help available is for Windows. They may not even know what Linux is.

Then if they use lots of Windows only applications it is a non-starter.

So, for many, it really does not matter if Linux is better or easier than Windows, they do NOT know how to use Linux or even what it is. I could argue that French is easier to learn and a much better language than English, and even if that were true, you would not be switching any time soon to French.
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Windows = Joe Sixpack
Don Collins 7th Oct 2008
I can't imagine why anyone computer-literate enough to surf deliberately to ZDNet would want to use Windows. It's so McDonalds... euu.

If you think you're a computer geek, then walk the walk: use Linux, or at least dual boot to prove your geek credentials.

Not that Linux needs to be geeky - it's easier than XP in many respects, and the same in many others. But if you WANT Linux to be geeky, then you can choose to make it so.
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I *like* McDonalds...
sullivanjc 7th Oct 2008
but that's really immaterial. I don't have an issue with Linux per se and do have it running on a couple of machines at home.

The issue is more applications. There are a number of applications that just do not have an acceptable Linux substitute. I like to watch missed TV episodes on the PC. Most of the TV network sites do not support Linux. I also use a Magic Jack for a phone line. This will not run in Linux either. There are other examples as well. Now there may be a way to circumvent things like that if you're an ubergeek and there may be a way to watch those same episodes *illegally* on Linux without much effort but until Linux overcomes the application hurdle to a greater degree, it will be an also ran.
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I can watch TV episodes
p0figster 7th Oct 2008
I only use Linux at home. My wife and I don't even
have a TV, so all our TV watching is over the
internet. I can watch South Park, NBC, Comedy Central
and more by going to the network website and watching
it (they're mostly FLASH based) or going to Hulu
(owned by a couple of networks). It's legal, it's
easy and it's in Linux. And it didn't take "ubergeek"
levels to figure it out. My wife is anything but a
techie and she can watch the episodes just fine.
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You assume that users are interested in an OS for the message it sends: e.g., "I've got tech cred, I use Linux." In other words, you imagine that most people view their computers/OSes as a lifestyle statement.

Guess what: we don't.

The vast majority of casual users -- and most techies over the age of 25 or so, for that matter -- don't much care about "geek cred" or the religion of open source. We simply want an operating system and software that delivers the results we expect in the shortest time possible.

As a result, most adult professionals don't have time to struggle with open source's unpredictable, buggy, amateur-built applications or troubleshoot Linux's arcane config/hardware/driver conflicts.

If that means we don't "walk the walk," then oh well ... I guess that's the price of growing up and getting a job.
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McLies as usual from a Linux hater
Don Collins 7th Oct 2008
As a result, most adult professionals don't have time to struggle with open source's unpredictable, buggy, amateur-built applications or troubleshoot Linux's arcane config/hardware/driver conflicts.

Amateur built? No. Built by corporate America:

http://blogs.computerworld.com/who_writes_linux_corporate_america

Unpredictable and buggy?

Honestly not my experience in many thousands of hours spent installing and using 20+ different distros. Of course some are better than others, but Ubuntu is very well sorted, and apps are (honestly) really stable - at least as stable as XP or more so. Ubuntu doesn't have unpredictable system tantrums in the same way XP or Vista can. It just works. Please don't pretend that Windows is predictable and without bugs - that's not a correct reflection of reality (if it was, why do I get called out by my customers to fix their Win boxes so often?).
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Far out !
sjbinaz 7th Oct 2008
As another adult, I'll date myself with that agreement
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Yup
TedKraan 9th Oct 2008
If that means we don't "walk the walk," then oh well ... I guess that's the price of growing up and getting a job.

A job as B or C grade technician.. have fun with that! Hope you will enjoy it. happy
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Juvenile Posturing
sjbinaz 9th Oct 2008
As Churlish says , he does not define himself by which operating system he uses. How can you equate that to being a B or C grade? You know nothing about his credentials and capabilities. Just because I am capable of learning Linux doesn't mean that I want to do so. The use of microcomputers ( an old term- because we DID have computers before ) has not become so prevalent because geeks could ues them but because they matured to the point of becoming tools rather than hobbies. The unsophicated user or typical user who is using and buying the current most popular systems and hardware is what keeps everyone in businees and the prices down. So now you can afford to play around on the leading edge. How does that make you superior. Maybe we should recognize differences without placing value judgments on the choices others make.
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He
TedKraan 9th Oct 2008
doesn't "walk the walk".. i said nothing of OS religious choice..

Playing around with Linux isn't the only way to attain some technical skills. There are lots of other areas to explore. Networking, DBAing, Programming par example..

My point was that he just grew up to become nothing special.
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Linux has already replaced Windows in my world.

Some of you guys really do not know what you are talking about and have way to much time on your hands.

Linux is better than Windows in many ways. I can tell you that I went from Windows XP to Vista and then to Kubuntu. I think this time I am done with Windows for good. I got so sick of it crashing, hogging resources, and rebooting whenever it felt like it. For all the money I have given Microsoft, they have wasted more of my time with their crappy software than I care to think about.

My Linux machines are stable and free. I am able to browse the web securely, I can participate in my college schoolwork with open office. I use a vaio laptop - all of my hardware works, my digital camera, my printer, wi-fi, network storage devices, all of that. And plus Amarok is better than iTunes, media player, or winamp.

I have been so sick of the Microsoft way of doing things for so long now, I couldn't imagine going back.

People are creatures of habit and will believe all kinds of nonsense based on loose facts and sketchy research. Linux is more than ready to replace Windows - some people just aren't ready to go back to looking like a newb because they don't have their neat little Windows tricks to show off anymore.

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