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Microsoft finally earns a passing grade (barely) for WGA

By | September 4, 2008, 4:10pm PDT

Microsoft launched its Windows Genuine Advantage (WGA) anti-piracy program in early summer 2006. Its first year was, to put it charitably, a disaster. An epic fail. A big fat F on the year’s report card.

A certain amount of error is inevitable in any activation and registration system, but those numbers were clearly too high when WGA first rolled out. In an interview last week, Microsoft WGA director Alex Kochis tacitly acknowledged that fact, pointing out that “we’ve made major strides in the accuracy of the program” in the past two years.

WGA finally earns a passing grade (barely) for WGAHow bad was it? Users began suffering unpleasant consequences almost immediately, including system failures and false positives that flagged perfectly legitimate Windows copies as “non-genuine.” I wrote about WGA and its problems extensively throughout 2006 and 2007, documenting the extent of the problems. (The complete index of WGA-tagged posts is here.) In August 2006, I performed an exhaustive survey of problem reports from Microsoft’s own WGA support forum and discovered that “42% of the people who experienced problems with WGA and reported those problems to Microsoft’s public forums during that period were actually running Genuine Microsoft Windows.”

There was another wave of failures in October 2006 and the first reports of Vista validation problems appeared in February 2007. I met with managers of the WGA program several times in early 2007 and we discussed how they were responding to these issues. To their credit, they made major changes in support policies, back-end systems, and the online experience. But in August 2007, just as the WGA program appeared to be running smoothly at long last, “human error” caused a WGA server failure, with an estimated 12,000 legitimate customers affected. Most of the glaring bugs in the system had been worked out, as I discovered when I examined forum reports from December 2006 and discovered that the failure rate had dropped from 42% to 22%. That failure rate was still too high to rate anything higher than a D-.

The August 2007 outage inspired a wave of rethinking and re-engineering at Microsoft to ensure that this sort of problem couldn’t happen again, Kochis says. “We needed to think about what the impact to the customer was so that we minimize negative impact on customers. In response, we put in place what we call a ‘circuit breaker.’” According to Kochis, the systems are now monitored continuously in real time, through automated systems and by engineers. “If we detect anything that’s happening in response to our automated and human monitoring, one of the first things we do is evaluate pulling the breaker, which will [respond to] any system that calls in for validation and either use the last validation status for that system or just pass that system for that moment in time.” In effect, any time an anomaly in the system is detected, the result defaults in the customer’s favor, declaring the system “genuine,” at least until the next check.

Page 2: No false positives for Windows XP?

Page 3: Windows Vista is more complicated

Page 4: For 2008, WGA gets a C+

Kochis also says the WGA group has revamped its internal processes to make them more responsive to issues that might affect Windows customers. “We do drills,” he told me, “many, many drills. And we get better every time. We’ve had some real events, too, [although] none have been as significant as the [August 2007] server outage. They’ve been invisible or transparent to end users or customers.” The biggest test of the “circuit breaker” system came in January 2008, when two undersea cables in the Mediterranean were severed, disrupting Internet service over much of the Middle East and Europe, including some of Microsoft’s busiest call centers.

“We learned about it very quickly and later that same day, we had a plan pulled together that would enable us to provide support for customers in a number of different ways. We did whatever we could to reduce call volume at that time. In Egypt, we have a call center that services a number of languages, including those in Europe. So one of the first things we did was have people on airplanes flying [from Egypt] to a call center in Germany so we could redirect phone traffic there and have local language support. Likewise, support calls for Spanish-speaking customers were routed to Latin America.

“Our online activation systems were also affected,” Kochis notes. “We actually pulled the circuit breaker in that situation, so that we would minimize call volume. All systems passed, none failed, until we were ready with our rerouting process.”

If that incident had happened a year earlier, the impact on activation and validation systems would have been catastrophic. With the new systems in place, there was literally no discernible impact. I’ve been monitoring WGA longer and more closely than anyone outside of Microsoft, and in the year since the August 2007 server outage, I have seen no reports of even brief failures in the WGA system. (One report at Ars Technica in July turned out to be a false alarm that shut down the telephone-based activation system for about 90 minutes but left WGA untouched.) That doesn’t mean WGA is working perfectly today. There’s still plenty of room for improvement, as I note in the conclusion of this report.

Back in 2006, the percentage of people affected by WGA failures and glitches was  unacceptably high. Microsoft richly earned a big fat F in WGA in its freshman year. And 2007 was only a little better. Although the embarrassing conflicts with third-party software that falsely triggered WGA alerts in its early days had mostly been vanquished, the server outage of August 2007 clearly served as a wake-up call.

So the question is, two years later, has Microsoft finally gotten WGA right? Or at least good enough?

For the answers, I went back to the same rich data source I used in the original August 2006 report and for a follow-up in December 2006: Microsoft’s own WGA support forums. When I did the earlier study, Windows Vista had not yet launched, so all reports involved Windows XP. Today, two years later, there are separate WGA support forums for XP and Vista, and I looked at both of them. Back in 2006, I counted data for a 15-day period, August 1-15, and tallied 137 support requests directly related to product activation, validation, or WGA “non-genuine” messages. For the 2008 version, I used a larger sample, examining every thread on the two WGA forums that was started between August 1 and August 26

Next page: No false positives for Windows XP? –>

Ed Bott is an award-winning technology writer with more than two decades' experience writing for mainstream media outlets and online publications.

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RE: Microsoft finally earns a passing grade (barely) for WGA
beijing2008 14th Sep
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Mectron 4th Sep 2008
Unless you realy have a bootleg (or keygened) cd ke. pretty mush any XP sticker from any manufacturer can be "recycled" into any other PC. Just tell the right thing to the automated phone system: Did you change your motherboard: YES...

And WGA is still a colossal failure, as it can be PERMENENTLY fooled (including future revision) by anyone who know to move a mouse. If MS had invested all the resources it used for WGA to make a better product Vista might not have been a $6 billion failure. In fact most problems with vista are linked to illegal DRM.

When do companies (such as MS) and content providers (movies, music) will understand that DRM is not the solution. IT as never worked and never will how much cheaper whould illegally DRMed product whould be whiout all that waster of money?
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I was thinking the same thing...
voyager529 4th Sep 2008
In the article, they talk about how they flew people from Egypt to Germany to handle call volume. They have automated systems AND full-time engineers working on this. They've got programmers making WGA, deals with OEMs to ensure it works out of the box. My question is how much does this cost? How much money are they spending to make this happen? And how much higher are they coming out on top? Forget leaked source code, I want to see a copy of their accounting ledgers.

Joey
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Ed Bott 5th Sep 2008
The call centers handle all support calls, not just activation and validation.

As for those accounting reports, here's a hint: You could go to the SEC website and search. As a publicly traded company, Microsoft files lots of reports and has conference calls in which they talk about those reports and results. One recent call even talked about the positive benefits on their bottom line from their anti-piracy program.
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due to Windows Genuine Autonomy? An increase in the cost of Windows and A new OS that isn't worth the cost of the box it is shipped in. "Thank God I didn't fall for that one." Microsoft said WGA and other anti-piracy tools would help reduce the cost of Windows. For Microsoft? Maybe. For the user? Horse-$hit!
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The ONE thing that would reduce ...
mwagner@... 5th Sep 2008
... the cost of Windows for the consumer would be Microsoft's inability to sell it as a higher price.

If you don't think it is worth it, DON'T BUY IT! In the end, Money talks and if there were so many people so unhappy with what Windows costs to buy as to stop buying Windows, Microsoft would drop the price!
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True enough
frgough 5th Sep 2008
They did drop the price of Vista Ultimate because no one was
buying it.

However, Microsoft's licensing is specifically designed to
minimize price pressure on the product.
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Not that clear cut
mdsock@... 5th Sep 2008
Most people get Windows installed on a system. They don't see how much it costs. It could represent 90% of the price (obviously an exaggeration) and they wouldn't know. But it would still mean that they are spending more if the price increases.

I'm a little tired of hearing the "don't buy it if you don't like it" argument. That may be an option for most of us here, but not for the majority of computer users, including businesses.
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My sentiments exactly
LegendsOfBatman 3rd Apr 2009
I too am tired of hearing the "If you don't like it, don't buy it" crap.
Digital media is ONE of the few products, if we don't like it, we're stuck with it. This is shameful. Sure, people pirate the products, and yes, companies should have a means to protect their investments, but, to (almost) completely disallow ANY returns?
I can't even begin to calculate the amount of money spent on "cool" software, just to get it home, and find 1) it doesn't work 2) it completely sux. Here's the funny thing. I've even tried trial versions of software, liked it, bought the retail version, and then it didn't work the same way as the trial version. (CA antivirus comes to mind here; actually most trial versions of security programs come to mind here).
And, am I to base my purchase on reviews? People are fickle. I'm sure you've read reviews here on ZDnet, and sister company CNet. And, Im sure youve read comments here from fanboys. Its annoying to read people's hatred or love of a company. Esp. when that love or hatred gets in the way of fair. I hate McAfee. Ive had only one version of their software actually work the way it was supposed to. Well, two, if you include Site Advisor (again, the pay version doesnt work the way the free version does). And that's the point here, while I loathe McAfee I give them props for SA. But, it's hard to get fanboys, or people with axes to grind, to admit when a company does something well. And this reflects in reviews. Even from the "trusted" reviewers. There, you have the issue of advertising dollars. Theyre afraid if they review something negatively, the company will pull their money.
So, here we are, we MUST have an OS, if we are to have a computer. And MWagner's solution is "If you dont like it, dont buy it?"
POPPYCOCK NONSENSE!
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i believe that's
brokndodge@... 2nd Apr 2009
what a lot of people are doing. looking over some of the financial numbers from the last couple of years, some of them are in the negative. a lot of peopl are still trying to buy xp even though support is going away this month.
The size of their customer base is so large that even in the case of Microsoft, they can afford to piss off 20% of their potential customer base and still come out ahead. Which means that the efforts of that 20% to change corporate behavior is ZERO.

Size of a company is a major insulating factor. Boycotts only work when customers can act in a united fashion. Even the voters of the United States with their horrendous aversion to the corporate bailouts are having relatively little impact on actual behavior of the government. When you look at the customer population world-wide; it's next to impossible for customers to act in a united fashion to elicit corporate changes based on consumption.
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Are you nuts?
LegendsOfBatman 3rd Apr 2009
And I apologize for the personal attack; but, in this case, you bring it on yourself.
You foolishly state, "If you don't think it is worth it, DON'T BUY IT!"

As you should know, being approved as a ZDNet persona, digital media rarely allows for buyer's remorse. SOME companies allow you to return software for a refund. M/S is indeed one of those companies. BUT, we are not talking about items we get to enjoy, or cant stand after installation (ie, productivity, games, other application softwrae). We're talking operating system.
So, what are our choices? Slim to none, really. We either like an entire packaged OS or, we dont. If we dont like windows, we can choose Mac or Linux.
Some of us arent computer literate enough to use Linux. That leaves Mac; but, most software and hardware are not written for Mac. And that which is, costs more. So, that leaves us back with Windows.
For all their faults, it is amazing how well windows does work, considering all the many variables that go into PC.
BUT, according to your flippant remark, we shouldn't buy the product.
Well, as I recall, we didnt buy WGA. And, as I recall, WGA was not initially part of XP. And even if it was, it doesn't make it any more right.
So far, I have yet to have a "real" problem with WGA. I have a problem with the fact it exists. But, as far as having been told my version of windows is not genuine, so far I ahev never had this problem. If I do, I think I'll have to sue MS, because it's none of their business, once I have activated my product and once it has been declared legal. Can you name one other industry that gets to validate on a regular basis whether your item was legitimately purchased?
Imagine you purchase a pair of Levis. Levi has been victim of counterfeiting. As a result, they implant a chip inside the threads or a button which then reports back to Levi, whether or not you legally purchased the pair of jeans. And, what happens when they determine all of a sudden one day, your jeans were not legitimate? They lock up on you, and you can not remove them ever again. Or, in order to remove them, you have to call the company, and you have to prove you purchased them legally.
Say what? You would never stand for that. And, if you did, you'd be an idiot. So, WHY is this any different?
And, btw, the "If you dont like it" line is bogus, because what if you do like most of a product, but, you hate certain aspects?
Example: under most circumstances one can become accustomed to the non-intelligent, "Do you wish to allow this application to run" annoyances. I believe its been dubbed UAC. Well, first of all, that is ridiculously stupid, because chances are, the software is going to be safe, if we are installing it from a CD/DVD. And if it isn't, we arent going to know it, most likely. So, we are going to say, "Allow" anyway. But, my point is, after a while it becomes second nature, you almost dont even realize it anymore. Unless, you install software that requires 100's of individual manual installations. I have one such software. Vista 64 bit is a pain in the fingers with this. I have to allow it to install each book, then I have to give it permission to allow each book. Then I have to install each book, THEN, something even more retarded: because the program is older, and may not be compatible, I have to tell Vista that it installed correctly, for EACH AND EVERY book in the software. And, there are hundreds. Fortunately, it does install correctly, otherwise I'd have to then go to compatability mode, and reinstall that way.
So, according to you, because I find this aggrevating, I should now wipe my hard drive, and reinstall under XP? What, are you crazy?

Furthermore, in my case, I decided to purchase a ready made computer. This means I received Vista Home Premium 64 bit, preloaded.
People can say what they will, whether the price is skyrocketted as a result, or whatever. I made the purchase because it was only $600, included the OS, a 1 TB h/d and had 4 gigs of ram. Much cheaper than customizing my PC this time. Altho, I did have to swap the power supply and the video card. But, back to the point. Whether we like it or not, people ARE buying the OS, even if they uninstall it and replace it with linux. So, MS STILL gets paid. So, how does this "if you dont like it, dont buy it" attitude work? Most people dont build their own system.

Shame on you for your cavalier remarks.
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You're joking, right???`
techboy_z 5th Sep 2008
"...here's a hint: You could go to the SEC website and search..."

Cuz we all know they don't even break out revenue by SKU. How much less do we expect them to specify the level of detail on costs, as to be specific on activation costs? Laughable.
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Double Sigh
chessmen 5th Sep 2008
Ed, why don't you just go work for Microsoft? You already sound like you work in their marketing department; why not collect a paycheck?

WGA has been widely despised since it's inception. Yes, there have been real failures in its implementation in the past; but what you fail to address is whether it is a good idea in the first place. Piracy will not be stopped by WGA, and it has caused REAL headaches for legitimate customers. This arrogance has caused a real backlash against this company. Microsoft seems to feel that the only opinions that matter, are their own.
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WGA
frgough 5th Sep 2008
like nearly all forms of DRM exist for the sole reason of
making you pay multiple times for the same product.
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wga
rtk 5th Sep 2008
is about getting the casual copier to pay once.
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Nonsense!
Cardhu 5th Sep 2008
WGA is ineffective against real pirates.

The only people vulnerable to WGA are the honest users who just want a computer that works and simply want to pay for it - once. So WGA is only effective in generating revenue from the very people who should not be vulnerable to it.
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*casual copiers*
rtk 5th Sep 2008
are not real pirates.

I once had a trademark and patent lawyer tell me he didn't need a license for office, since he'd just borrow the disk from his neighbor.

That's a casual copier, and one who should have known better.
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"Microsoft resorts to a shotgun"
Ole Man 6th Sep 2008
Great analogy!

Be careful where you stand. One of their "pellets" might hit YOU next.

Course I doubt they will bother their own shills, so no proooblem for them.
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precompiled link spam
rtk 6th Sep 2008
doesn't help your case.

I've been asked to provide my disks to others for their "borrowing." I simply explain the license agreement, that what they are asking for is aiding and abetting in theft, and that I cannot be party to it.

Good for you, but the fact that even a lawyer tasked with IP protections didn't understand the rules certainly suggests that an "average user" won't get it either.
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Contentless Innuendo and Red Herrings
Cardhu Updated - 6th Sep 2008
don't make any case for you.

I have references backing my points.

You have preferences that have no point.

You are also utterly indifferent to the toll the Microsoft you hold so dear takes on real people's lives.

These are the reasons the posts you, ye, and ShadeTree make are utterly irrelevant.
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So what else is new...
hasta la Vista, bah-bie 6th Sep 2008
That is why the posts you (rtk), ye, and ShadeTree make are utterly irrelevant.

I could have told you that a long time ago.

grin
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Oh yeah.
rtk 6th Sep 2008
awesome, my personal troll is back. Hold on while I pull up my pant leg for you.
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Pointless As Always
Cardhu 7th Sep 2008
Just another ad hominem attack, another snippet of empty innuendo.
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Misposted
Cardhu Updated - 7th Sep 2008
Content moved to proper location.
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Right. I doubt anyone
GuidingLight Updated - 3rd Apr 2009
that purchased Windows, did so again because Microsoft claimed they did not.

It may have been a bit of a pain to correct, but no one repurched their own copy of Windows.

and by the way, if Psystar happens to win against Apple, you will most definatelly see an AGA (Apple Genuine Advantage) type program for OSX, which of course will cause similar problems.
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yes and no
Al_nyc 3rd Apr 2009
That is the effect it has for some folks. It's supposed to deter thieves, but the clever ones can work it. WGA is only thwarting dumb thieves. The real gauge is that WGA is probably pissing off more paying customers than it is detering thieves.
...and since there are so many problems, you will certainly be able to exactly name, say, three of those problems, won't you? I'm holding my breath....
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What exactly are you saying?
bmerc 5th Sep 2008
Are you suggesting that there are not problems with WGA on Vista? If so, you disagree with Ed Bott, who clearly stated that such problems do exist in the original article. If not, then what exactly is it you ARE saying?
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He's asking...
rapson 5th Sep 2008
...what problems are caused by "illegal DRM", as claimed by the OP.

Carl Rapson
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Er.. Illegal DRM..?
Wolfie2K3 5th Sep 2008
I'll go as far as to agree that DRM is evil. That DRM is generally a bad idea, a hassle, and a waste of time and resources.

But illegal...?

Surely, you exaggerate. If DRM was even the slightest bit illegal, the DOJ would have been ALL over Microsoft like white on rice. And you KNOW that to be fact. They would have likewise been all over the MPAA, the RIAA, Sony, Apple and anyone and everyone else who uses DRM to protect their IP.
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illegal...?
Ole Man 5th Sep 2008
lobbying? Bribing? DRM? WGA? Naaah! The "law" says it's legal, and the law-yers say what the law is.

Which lawyers' daddy was a lawyer, and five'll get you ten the grandson will be too? Billy, Willie, and Johnny.

http://knol.google.com/k/david-blomstrom/bill-gates/1i6e04re3w2kp/4#
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So you're Blomstrom's alt?
Sleeper Service Updated - 8th Sep 2008
I thought I detected the whiff of insanity.
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Exactly what I expected
Ole Man 11th Sep 2008
Coming from one of Billy's shills.

You never fail.
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It would save so much hassle really but I am curious about what issues they want to avoid. If they were concerned about people doing the following:
1) Image machine A
2) Deactivate machine A
3) Activate on machine B
4) Restore image on machine A
then they still have all the info they need to know that machine A is "activated" when it shouldn't be as B is activated.

Maybe they want to present a disincentive to deactivating A, activating B, doing updates then deactivating?
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If you don't mind ...
mwagner@... 5th Sep 2008
... talking to someone in India, moving your retail version of Vista from one machine to another is not a big deal. if you don't mind LYING you can probably even get away with putting Vista on more than one machine at a time. Microsoft has every right to be concerned about piracy but they need to inconvenience as few honest customers as possible with false positives.
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Not quite my point...
SamCPP 15th Sep 2008
I was talking about a software automatic "deactivation" process. Some programs have the ability to deactivate without a call center intervention. Then you can "reactivate" the license elsewhere (within normal restrictions) via the normal online activation process.
Who knows what their intention was for releasing this *&*^^$%$ - WGA was a dismal failure, and was the reason for many people who had bought Windows since it first came out (myself included) not to continue to buy MS OS, but instead go to Apple and Linux. My Windows computer is the oldest, and once it dies, I will not replace it.

Also, I now wait for a while before installing "security" updates on patch Tuesday - lest they pull the same stunt and try to sneak another WGA-like program as a security update. It is terrible when you cannot trust the company that provides your OS.....
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The problem with WGA is that it is predicated on a lie. The advantage the user supposedly gains does not exist. Yes it may be that if MS earns more fees from its licences and may just use this money to make cheaper of better software or it could be that it simply uses this additional revenue for its bottom line. The only cost is to me in that I have to get out of a problem if the WGA gives a false positive.

On a machine recently that proved more than difficult to upgrade I think I got to 6 or 7 times where MS wanted to advise me that I should make sure I validated my software.

WGA is the equivalent of the money scanner some shops use to check for forgeries. As an honest person I accept that checking money is a reasonable action but if the shop assistant told me that they were doing it so I gained a genuine advantage I might be more than a little upset given that what I get back is something I already own.


I do however agree with Ed's last point on what could be changed. The OS should have a full backup function for all versions to help get people out of trouble. However it is a total indictment of MS that most genuine users have their genuine disadvantage of not even having a full backup system in their OS.

I give MS less than 2 years before they loose their control of the markets. One of the huge drawbacks of the desire of MS to gain maximum revenue is that is forcing a generation of students to see MS as the big bad corporate company which is the antithesis of how they started. The cost of the next generation seeing MS as the corporate money grabber could be very high particularly given that so many other companies are using a different pricing model.
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Disagree: NOT too late
bmgoodman 5th Sep 2008
If Microsoft can "bolt on" obnoxious cr@p like WGA and add even more DRM to XP more than 5 years after its release, why can't they provide a downloadable backup utility to all licensed copies of Vista? Why should it be "too late"?
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OS it would get rid of most of the need for WGA. Look at DVD's for example. Once the prices came down to a reasonable level it became unprofitable to pirate them.

Unfortunately Windows has no competition on many of the big retailers shelves so there is nothing to help drill down the high prices MS feels it's OS is worth. Vista (retail) is the most expensive operating system for the average user.

As mentioned in other posts, it was the repeated calls to MS over WGA problems on my system over a 6 month period that I left Windows disgusted that I had paid so much and gotten nothing but harassment from my OS because I dared to make changes to my hardware.
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Thay charged "hundreds" for ...
mwagner@... 5th Sep 2008
... shrink-wrapped Windows because they don't WANT you to buy retail versions to put on old hardware. They want you to buy OEM versions pre-installed on new OEM hardware.
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Retail Versions.....
devlin_X 9th Sep 2008
Many of the people who I see buy retail versions are those who've lost their restore discs from their OEM machines or people like me who want their OS portable so the various components can be changed out with out voiding the license.

OEM versions are restricted that you change your MOBO (other than an exact replacement) or other major change like upgrading memory, hard drive, and processor and they consider it a different system requiring a new license.
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DVDs are still fairly expensive..
Wolfie2K3 5th Sep 2008
And it's still cheaper to pirate them than buy.

1 blank DVD - $0.25
1 copy of DVD shrink - free if you can find it
1-2 hours to rip the disc
Movie rental - $0.99 to $4.75
Visit to pirate CD/DVD cover site - 5 minutes
1 sheet of paper to print a label - 5 cents
1 empty DVD case - $.25

total cost - $1.50 to $5.50

Used movies tend to go for anywhere from $5 for movies no one gives a fig about to $15 for popular titles.

Do the math.
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DVD Shrink
MyShare120 5th Sep 2008
DVD Shrink can be found at www.filehippo.com. It's a pretty awesome little program and works great most of the time. The only time you have an issue is if it is a Disney movie which seems to have unpenetrable right protection.
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Alternative
Pooch666 6th Sep 2008
Use DVD Fab HD Decrypter and burn with Img Burn. That takes care of the Disney stuff......
I agree w. Martin23. Microsoft is the largest, most successful, richest company in the world (well, maybe not quite - I haven't done any research - but certainly in the top 10). They do one thing, they produce software. They do not make pens or razors or luggage or brew beer or run retail stores. They do not (unlike IBM) produce software & hardware (well,except for XBOX - and maybe someone should do a similar article that, although I suspect that the research would be harder). This is not a disparate group. This is a monolith.

AND IT TOOK THEM THREE YEARS TO GET A C+!!!???
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Not with me it didn't
rhomp2002@... 5th Sep 2008
It took me about 3 months of looking at the WGA message that I needed to update my computer with WGA. This was after I had to run Malware, Adaware, Spybot, AVG, registry cleaner, defrag every week to get even minimal response on an older computer.

I bailed. I installed Linux and got faster response on the computer, no nanny software telling me to update their WGA, no running all these additional programs just to keep the diska in good shape. I don't play games on the computer so the fact that Linux doesn't have all the games Windows does is not a factor. I wish now I had done this earlier.

I realize that there are a lot of people out there who pirate software but for M$ to make the assumption that you have to prove you are not a thief every time you sign on is to me a wee bit beyond the pale. If I have to go to court, then I am assumed innocent unless the prosecutor proves me guilty. In the world of M$ it is the other way around. I am presumed gulty and I have to prove I am not or papa will spank. Not into S&M thank you very much. Goodbye Windows. Might see you in the future if you wise up but as of now that is not likely.

I wonder how many others did the same thing I did. In fact when I bought my latest computer a year ago I had to look around to find a place that would even sell me a computer without Windows installed. I found a couple and bought one from them. When I asked why I couldn't I was told by one vendor that if I wanted to wipe it out as soon as I got the computer I could but I would have to take Windows with the computer. I went elsewhere.
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Ed Bott 5th Sep 2008
"This was after I had to run Malware, Adaware, Spybot, AVG, registry cleaner, defrag every week to get even minimal response on an older computer."

You ran malware every week? No wonder it was so screwed up.

Seriously, all of those things did nothing for your performance and things like "cleaning the registry" almost certainly contributed to or even caused the problems you had.
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mdsock@... 5th Sep 2008
While I agree that such utilities can cause problems, especially when run too often. I've never had such issues. I've also had them correct problems. And are you seriously suggesting that people shouldn't run any security software? When even legitimate sites can sometimes inadvertently host drive-by malware? Catch a trojan and see how much a program like SuperAntiSpyware will do for your system's performance.

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