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Microsoft fumbles the digital TV transition

By | June 15, 2009, 8:40am PDT

Summary: With all its Media Center experience, you’d think that Microsoft would have sailed through the long-awaited transition to all-digital over-the-air TV broadcasts in the United States this past weekend. Instead, the company failed, in dramatic fashion. I’ve got details on what went wrong.

Microsoft’s Media Center program is nearly seven years old, and the version included with Windows 7 will be its fifth major revision. It’s one of the most polished features in the entire Windows family, especially in its support for multiple TV tuners: analog, basic cable, over-the-air digital (ATSC), satellite (in Europe and Japan), and CableCARD (in the United States).

With all that experience, you’d think that Microsoft would have sailed through the long-awaited transition to all-digital over-the-air TV broadcasts in the United States this past Friday. Instead, the company failed, in dramatic fashion.

It’s not like it caught the company by surprise. A Service Alert has been visible on the home menu page for Windows Vista Media Center users for the past two weeks or so:

Clicking through the multiple explanation screens produced a series of clear-sounding messages about what to expect in Media Center, depending on the type of tuners you were using. According to this screen, for anyone using an ATSC tuner there was “no additional action needed.”

That advice was wrong. Microsoft apparently forgot to plan for one of the side effects of the transition, in which some broadcasters changed broadcast channel numbers along with the switch.

I first noticed that something had gone wrong on Sunday, when I saw that a couple of shows on CBS and ABC had failed to record on Friday and Saturday, complaining that no signal was available. When I tried to tune in the channels manually, I got an error message instead of the programming I expected.

In postings over the weekend at The Green Button, the Microsoft-owned (but independently operated) community forums, I found other users complaining of the same issues. Media Center MVP Chris Lanier also noted the problem this morning.

There are workarounds for Windows Vista and Windows 7 that involve editing an XML file (in Windows Vista) and adding DTV channels manually (in Windows 7). Neither of the workarounds have worked for me.

If you’re a Media Center user, has this issue affected you? Leave a comment in the Talkback section below. I’ll be following up with Microsoft to see if I can understand what happened and when to expect a fix. If I hear from enough users, I’ll put together a more detailed follow-up post.

Update: A vigorous discussion at The Green Button here along with some possible workarounds.

A pair (so far) of cryptic updates from Microsoft here. The most recent was posted by chrisboedy around 21 hours ago [typos and punctuation errors in original]:

All, our services are all running as expected, however there was an issue which is causing the new data feed with some of the updated frequencies not to process through. We are currently working to resolve this and I’ll provide additional updates as I have them. I don’t expect this will be difficult for us to resolve, however the at that point, it’s just time waiting for the data to propagate to the front end servers for you all.

Expectation should be however that this will take ~24 hours to complete processing.

Additional input from GeekTonic and Ben Drawbaugh at EngadgetHD.

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RE: Microsoft fumbles the digital TV transition
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Contributr
Has the ATSC glitch affected you?
Ed Bott 15th Jun 2009
If you?re a Media Center user, has this issue affected you? Leave a comment as a reply here. (If you have another coment to make, please start a new thread) I?ll be following up with Microsoft to see if I can understand what happened and when to expect a fix.
its just a backup incase cable goes down. yes, i know cable is not affected.

I wonder if you could stick a digital converter box on it in the mean time. I was able to pick-up two via their online program. I dont use them, they are also, just incase.
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In the Washington DC area I lost ABC (7.1), CBS (9.1) and CW (50.1). FOX, NBC, PBS all work fine.

My biggest problem with this whole situation is I have no idea if it's a Media Center problem or I'm too far out now and need new antenna(s). I'm about 24 miles out and got ABC, CBS, and CW fine with all green bars before 6/12. Why wouldn't I get them after them after 6/12? (I'm waiting to see how this Media Center problem plays out before calling an antenna installer).

I'm running Windows 7 RC.

Please keep updating / following up about this story!
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Even before the transition
mflatley 16th Jun 2009
I've experienced frequency channel problems since February on Vista and 7. In the Twin Cities it was always the FOX and NBC affilliates and after the transition it's been Fox and ABC. It's a pain to set them up properly but at least there's a gui in 7 where as Vista was in an xml file.
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NYC market
Techref6060 16th Jun 2009
I'm in the NYC metro area and CBS at 2.1 and ABC at 7.1 are not tunable in Media Center on XP. CBS didn't change until 2pm on Friday. On my Sharp LCD I had to enter the RF freq of 33 to get CBS. You can find the RF channels on antennaweb.org but I can't find a way to equate the virtual channels in MC with the RF channels.

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Not really, but...
falcon7204 16th Jun 2009
...I don't use WMC. Actually, I can't use it. WMC won't see my tuner (it's a Hauppage HVR-950 sold by HP as a hybrid NTSC/ATSC/QAM tuner). No matter what I do, WMC refuses to see it. However, I was able to download Hauppage-standard drivers and WinTV, so I can use it fine with that application. I did have to rescan my channels after the switch, but no other glitches. Other than the WMC glitch, of course.
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I lost both of the local channels that changed frequencies on Friday, on both a VMC and Win7 with ATSC tuners. Adding the channels manually worked on the 7 machine, and I have not had a chance to work on the Vista one.

When scanning, the 7 machine only finds 5 of the 9 expected channels - the ones whose frequencies did not change - and signal strength comes back "Unknown" for all channels.
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Media Center and Digital Switchover in the UK
star-me-kitten 29th Jun 2009
I have a similar problem. From the Caldbeck transmitterin the UK, I have Win TV installed on my PC and use Media Center to watch TV. Since the switchover, I have retuned media center, but can?t get BBC1 & BBC2. Yet if I watch through the WIN TV program, I can get all channels. I think my problem is with Media Center compatibility. Other TV in the house with a set top box is fine. If anyone figures out this problem, please do pass it on.
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RE: Microsoft fumbles the digital TV transition
davidadkins1@... 15th Jun 2009
Isn't this the problem where many DTV broadcasters switched from VHF to UHF? If that is what this discussion is about all you have to do is have WMC rescan the DTV channels. The same thing you had to do with any DTV connected directly to an antenna.
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I wish it was that easy
Ed Bott 15th Jun 2009
It's not.
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That Easy
davidadkins1@... 15th Jun 2009
I guess, then, it is not clear to me what you mean by "...some broadcasters changed broadcast channel numbers along with the switch..". Can you expand on that? I assumed it just meant broadcast frequency.
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Details
Ed Bott 15th Jun 2009
For Vista, the channel information is contained in XML files in %ProgramData%\eHome\EPG\Prefs. In Windows 7 DTV channels are stored in a nonreadable format. There's a mapping between virtual channels (in the guide) and broadcast channels.

In my case, the local CBS station was broadcasting on UHF 16 and switched to VHF 13. But Media Center draws its information from the database it gets with the Guide data. So a scan will look at the channels it thinks they're being broadcast on rather than the actual channels.
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Also see ChrisL01's reply below
Ed Bott 15th Jun 2009
I am reasonably certain that handle belongs to Chris Lanier... wink
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NYC market
Techref6060 16th Jun 2009
For example CBS analog was channel 2 but CBS digital was 2.1 pre Friday. Post Friday CBS analog is gone and CBS digital is channel 33 but it reports 2.1.
It seems all the low freq VHF moved to UHF but the high freq VHF (7 and up) are still VHF. You can find the updated channel numbers on antennaweb.org
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Nope. I use digital cable.
Michael Kelly 15th Jun 2009
But I want that Service Alert message gone already.
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Have been using media center for about 2 years now and I really feel its hopeless. Nothing is ever fixed.
- Newest problem: Cant get several channels after digital TV transition - I am in SF bay area
- Cant play a bluray ripped to harddrive
- Crashes if you "tab" through a video too quickly
- If you resume after a pause in an mpeg2 video, it jumps back to beginning of the video - this happens after a couple of days of use.
- can not fast forward in an mpeg2 video (dvd's work fine though) - should be so easy to fix.
- Can not remember location of where play stopped in an mpeg video (it will remember for a dvd unless you remove it from machine) - should be trivial to add.
- Will not automatically sleep when inactive for a while (this seems so easy to add).
- provide a website with 'pre approved' hardware platforms know to work well i.e. dont blue screen when returning from standby, etc. Would make life so much easier.
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State of Readiness
johnfenjackson@... 15th Jun 2009
0. To release an rearchitected OS? No.
1. To exploit multicore processors? No.
2. To exploit SSD's and update file system? No.
3. To exploit netbooks? No - call them 'small laptops' and issue 'maximum specification' and further cripple the OS.
4. To exploit the increasing importance of the browser? No. Remove browser.
5. To innovate in user interface e.g. surface touch, voice control, motion sensor (Wii). No.

Tell me you weren't surprised sad
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What?
jesusfreakf1 15th Jun 2009
What does this have to do with the article?
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Agreed...
Hallowed are the Ori 15th Jun 2009
There's always at least one though, you know.
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The orderlies are looking for you!
stillgolfing Updated - 16th Jun 2009
Go back to the Psychiatric Hospital, find your ward and take your meds! Geeez, as if there aren't enough nutters on the loose, now they are on the internet and typing in incoherent drivel!
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In Chicago, the ATSC channels for CBS and ABC no longer tune, presumably as a result of their now broadcasting on new frequecies.

An attempt to setup TV service again starts with a failure to download new setup date (not guide data, that downloads just fine).

Fortunately, this disruption has had little practical effect as we have dual CableCard tuners.

However, as my wife observed: Media Center users and little old ladies appear to be the only ones adversely affected by the changeover.
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Hmm
WookieFan Updated - 15th Jun 2009
Haven't read the rest of this thread, but I think if you do a manual Media Center set-up you'll be ok. Provided you can receive digital signals via your tuner card. I had an old one previously that was only analog, and I had to buy a new hybrid analog/digital card AND do a manual set-up for the card to recognize the digital signal from my cable box...

Update, so yeah, in Jersey it happened too. Instead of getting a PBS special, I got robot chicken. Awesome.
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Ya. Microsoft buggered up. They also don't seem to bandle some TV tuners at all. I have a Pinnacle HD Pro Stick [i.e. USB] TV tuner and it's not supported. Yet drivers are installed. I'm forced to install Pinnacle's software which is hefty in memory usage [but at least it's not as buggy as it was].
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I had problems with CBS and ABC in Chicago. I kept trying things for a couple of hours and somehow got Media Center to recognize ABC (when adding a missing digital channel) but could not get CBS to be recognized.
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RE: Microsoft fumbles the digital TV transition
ChrisL01 Updated - 15th Jun 2009
Media Center's doesn't use in-band freq information, the data is downloaded from Microsoft's servers. Without them updating it, a "re-scan" does nothing.

This was meant to be a reply to david..
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We depend on Vista Media Center as our sole television/DVR device. In the digital switch, the channel we watch the most changed from frequency 9 to 11, but wherever Media Center gets its information did not update. I have tried the manual fixes as well, and I choose not to lose the guide. So we are left with a "no signal found" channel that we once relied so heavily on... very frustrating.

Gary
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7 or our 8 channels changed frequency. As of Sunday night
I had one channel working. VMC is our DVR. I depend on
it being correct and hope they get it resolved soon.
I tried deleting entries from the XML file and setting
the channels manually. That worked fine except when I
download the guide, no information for those channels was
provided.
I was left with a choice of signal or Guide, but not
both.
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I have lost 7 or our 8 channels because of frequency
changes. I hope this gets fixed very soon.
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I think alot of people forgot....
storm14k 15th Jun 2009
...that channels would be switching as well.

Now can we please get to IPTV? Are they even working on this anymore?
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Yes, but...
frabjous 16th Jun 2009
"I think alot of people forgot...." and I guess we have to allow for
that, in the general public.

However, with all their resources, and all the attention, regulation
and press given to the changeover, I really cannot understand
how Microsoft could not have known what would happen, and
how to prevent it. Mind-boggling!
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Media Center is a 2nd class citizen....
JoeMama_z 15th Jun 2009
Not to say it's a bad program, it just could be so much better if Microsoft were to put a bit more effort into it.
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Definitely
SamCPP 15th Jun 2009
There are many half-baked products out there. This is an area MS could dominate if they wanted to. VMC is just so unpolished - the playback controls are buggy as hell. The interface looks great but who cares if the playback experience is poor?

It isn't a big amount of work to move to something that is in a league of it's own.
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Totally....
JoeMama_z 15th Jun 2009
Why the hell do I have to drill down into folders in my video collection. I want video's, just show me everything I have access to and let me filter based on Metadata.

Oh and for the love of christ FIX COMSKIP, or at least fix the bug that broke it.

Media Center is one of those things where the little things really really count.
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I lost Channels 2 (CBS), 7 (ABC) and 11 (Fox) from Orange County, CA.
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What is strange is that I get more channel listings in Windows 7 RC1 than I do in Vista. I am using an ATSC tuner to get signals over the air.
It's working badly -- wrong channel names and etc. listed in XP Media Center.

Full disclosure though: it's always been off. The channel names and times have always been somewhat wrong -- I'm in a major city but best I can tell I'm getting the guide and channels of a nearby community...despite going by zip code etc (even if I lie about my Zip Code).

I'm not a huge TV watcher, so never really cared about nailing it down much.

But yeah, it's off in a different way now.
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All systems go!!
TRIMTI Updated - 16th Jun 2009
After a couple of frustrating hours of trying to "find" 2 lost channels, I went to ProgramData\microsoft\eHome\EPG\Prefs and deleted atscchannels.xml, atscprefs.xml, and prefs.xml.

I ran setup and one of the missing channels came in. I then ran setup TV signal this time with a different zip code in my area and all of them came in.

I have no idea why this worked but I have all of the main channels. I still had to manually enter the subchannels which I still don't get the correct guide listings for.

I live in the Kansas City area. I used 64108 first and then 64112. Go figure!
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(1) MS does not care.
(2) MS Wants to decide what channels you can watch.
Vista Ultimate it is not!
After playing the far ZipCode trick, I found that most digital channels and sub channels in the Los Angeles area were NOT there. And the subchannels that were there do not have correct program guide info but simply repeat the x.1 program description. I have a Hauppauge HVR-2250 dual tuner that works with WinTV7 (new) and the Titan TV guide. Titan shows EVERYTHING and can interface with WinTV7 to allow future recordings setup. Hooray!
For over a year, before the change, the Vista MC guide was wrong and I found no way to contact either MS or Zap2It to get it corrected. Why is this? Do they not want to know they guide is flawed?
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And they want to be in cars
davidr69 16th Jun 2009
If MS can't get this straight (which should be extremely simple), who can trust their gadgets in cars? It's a good thing nobody buys Ford cars.
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Yes, CBS and ABC are no longer coming in on my Hauppauge 2250 TV Tuner card. I am using Vista Home Premium and upgraded to SP2 a few weeks ago. One issue I discovered here in Dallas is that the two local stations (CBS & ABC) went from UHF to VHF. Neither station comes up now in Media Center, even though the signal strength through the antenna setup shows it is all green.
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Yes, I have problems, but it's off and on. The need to fix it!
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In centeral Iowa we had 2 stations switch off the analog and change freq. Same problem now as then. rlknappjr@hotmail.com
And isn't that provided by another vendor? I don't think
Microsoft manages that data in house, I'm pretty sure they
purchase it. I think they're the ones who screwed up here.
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Did they change the signal strengths, too?
Worth2Cents 16th Jun 2009
DTV gives no where near the number of channels I had with analog. Now that we're full swing, I get even fewer channels, depending on which way I twist and turn that POS antennae. None of my TVs all pick up the same stations: ABC but no CBS on one, and NBC but no ABC on the other. All might get a pixilated FOX or PBS.

I want my A-TV. I want my A-TV.....
I listened to them yo-yo?s: ?That?s the way you have to do it.?
So I buy a new flat screen for the DTV.
But it ain?t workin? ?But that?s the way you have to do it,?
?If you want TV for nothin? and remain cable-free.?
Still ain?t workin? ?Sorry, that?s the way you have to do it.?
Lemme tell ya, I must be dumb.
Maybe get a blip on the little signal meter.
Maybe get a blip, and the picture?s gone.

(My apologies to Dire Straits.)
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RE: Microsoft fumbles the digital TV transition
hmdoza@... Updated - 16th Jun 2009
My CBS in cape girardeau mo not working get all other CBS on VHF not UHF need fix for this

That's the crappy, absentminded support you get for buying a DRMed O/S from a vendor not in the TV/DVR business but looking to profit from it.

My superior-from-the-start (to both MMC and Tivo), years-old ReplayTV DVR is working great. Hollywood's to thank for suing the maker, SonicBlue, out of existence (for the unmatched, automatic Commercial Advance feature). As for the anal-retentives who demand HD over SD, I could care less: You're lucky if 1% of all TV is even worth seeing in HD (uncut movies, mostly); CNN's idiot-youth newscasters are just as pathetic in HD.

"ALL YOUR TV [sic] BELONG TO BILL GATES!"

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