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Microsoft on Windows Phone 7: "We're in it for the long run"

By | December 21, 2010, 7:09am PST

Microsoft is finally ready to talk about numbers for its Windows Phone 7 platform. But the numbers they’ve released need a bit more parsing than usual.

My colleague Mary Jo Foley already picked up the eye-catching number that Microsoft wants to see in headlines: More than 1.5 million Windows Phone 7s sold to date. That number comes from an “interview” with Achim Berg, Microsoft’s vice president of business and marketing for Windows Phones, published on the Microsoft News Center.

Here’s the full quote:

Sales are ramping well as our reputation is growing for offering users a unique experience and are in line with our expectations – especially when compared to other new platform introductions. With a new platform you have to look at a couple of things, first of all customer satisfaction. As I mentioned before, we’ve seen great response on the complete mobile phone experience.

Another is phone manufacturer sales – phones being bought and stocked by mobile operators and retailers on their way to customers. We are pleased that phone manufacturers sold over 1.5 million phones in the first six weeks, which helps build customer momentum and retail presence. [emphasis added]

Had this interview been conducted by an actual journalist, you might have seen a follow-up question here: How many of those phones have been activated by customers? That’s the real metric for market share—Google, for example, now claims that it is activating 300,000 new Android devices a day—and it’s telling that Microsoft isn’t sharing that number. If those phones aren’t flying out of the stores, then it could be a classic case of channel stuffing.

(And directly comparing Windows Phone 7 sales to the original iPhone isn’t that easy. Because Apple sold the first iPhone model directly to its customers, they didn’t have to worry about he channel. Still, it’s worth noting that it took 74 days for the original iPhone to hit 1 million units sold, back in 2007.)

I don’t want to dismiss these new numbers completely, because they do represent a serious commitment on the part of carriers and retailers to buy and stock and sell the phones. And a key part of Microsoft’s strategy is to get those devices out into the world so potential customers can try them out. As Berg notes:

We introduced a new platform with Windows Phone 7, and when you do that it takes time to educate partners and consumers on what you’re delivering, and drive awareness and interest in your new offering.  We’re comfortable with where we are, and we are here for the long run; Windows Phone 7 is just the beginning.  Our opportunity is to make sure people get to play with a Windows Phone. Once they do, they love it. This is very important for us.

Ultimately, Microsoft wants this story to be about momentum. Developers are building apps for the new platform, customers who try it are loving it, and—most importantly of all—it has a future. Berg uses the “long run” phrase twice in this press release:

We know we have tough competition, and this is a completely new product. We’re in the race – it’s not a sprint but we are certainly gaining momentum and we’re in it for the long run.

Indeed, the 1.5 million number is most significant as an expression of confidence on the part of carriers worldwide. But we won’t be able to judge whether that momentum has reached takeoff velocity until Microsoft begins to talk about activations.

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RE: Microsoft on Windows Phone 7:
CobraA1 2nd Jan 2011
"How many of those phones have been activated by customers? That?s the real metric for market share"

Eh, Microsoft probably made the money regardless.
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RE: Microsoft on Windows Phone 7:
gtdworak 21st Dec 2010
Didn't Apple sell something like 2 million phones in its first three days of sales. So much for Ballmer's iPhone killer. Can't help but wonder how much longer he'll be allowed at the helm of Microsoft.
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Check your facts
Ed Bott 21st Dec 2010
@gtdworak

It took Apple 74 days to sell 1 million first-generation iPhones. I've added a link to that figure in an update to this post.
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RE: Microsoft on Windows Phone 7:
empirestatebuddy Updated - 21st Dec 2010
@Ed Bott

And it took Android almost a year, right?

Numbers can be manipulated though... as we all know. The reality is that if you gave a group of people unmarked phones... and let them play with them for awhile... I'm very confident that a plurality would choose WP7 over iOS & Android. iOS was cool when it was introduced. It was even cool a year ago. But, next to WP7... it just seems kind of dated... like the click wheel.
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RE: Microsoft on Windows Phone 7:
cyberslammer2 21st Dec 2010
@empirestatebuddy The numbers are manipulated...Microsoft sold 1.5 million phones to OEM CARRIERS, not consumers...rumors are that they have actually only sold 100,000 phones to consumers since launch.
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@All

The rumors cyberslammer2 is referring to start and end in his own mind.
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RE: Microsoft on Windows Phone 7:
balsover 21st Dec 2010
@Ed Bott
And how many did MS give to employees?
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RE: Microsoft on Windows Phone 7:
balsover 21st Dec 2010
@Ed Bott The number of iPhones sold in 2007 is about as relevant as how many C64 computers were sold in the 80's. The numbers should be compared to what their competitors are selling in today's market, that includes both the current Android and iPhone models. How many of those WM7 phones did MS give away to employees and how many of those WM7 phones are just people that had WM6.x phones and upgrading. People upgrading doesn't increase the market share. There are just as many people out there that will buy the latest and greatest from MS even if it is worthless as there are Apple people that do the same with Apple products. Until someone shows a real increase in market share I will not be impressed.
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@Ed Bott.. lots has changed since then.. like the smartphone market has exploded and comparing 2007 numbers to 2010 numbers is quite idiotic to say they least.. it's now 2010... Apple sold 1.7 million iPhone 4 in 3 days.. that's the mountain that MS needs to climb in 2010.. even if they had actually sold 1.5 million in a month and a half that's would still have been a huge mountain to climb..

but kudos to yourself and Mary Joe for actually stating the facts.. that this number is not reflective of consumer demand.. it is as you say indicative of carrier confidence in the platform.. but when you compare it to the competition.. it took six weeks for them to do the average that the competition to do in 5days.. and that's not even at introduction.. just day to day numbers.. MS has a huge hill to climb to say the least..
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rtk, I'm sure cyberslammers next post will be that
John Zern Updated - 21st Dec 2010
runor has it Apple actually sold 8 million Apple TV's and that Kinect really only hit 20,000 in sales.

Some people like him are scared of everything. Go figure.
The iPhone created a new category of phone (as a fun exercise, do a before/after image search of smart phones/feature phones). Android and Winmobile 7 phones are copycats. They don't get the first generation break.
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I heard the number was a lot less
Ron Bergundy 21st Dec 2010
that rumor has it 50000 of the phones have been returned already so sales figures are really ALOT less!!
@Ed Bott

"It took Apple 74 days to sell 1 million first-generation iPhones."

iPhone launched on one carrier in one country.
Wp7 launched on 60 carriers in 30 countries!


WP7 launched with a 500 million ad budget (equal to Apple's TOTAL iphone, iPod, Mac, iTunes, Apple Store etc Ad budget of 2009)
Engadget: "1.5 million units is a tiny, tiny number when you consider the platform launched on 10 devices on over 60 carriers in over 30 countries."

Also 1.5m units has given Msft (estimating avg Win 6 fees of around $15) a whopping $22.5 million gross. (minus a 500 m ad budget and R&D .... )
For 1.5 m iPhones Apple would have made close to a Billion dollars. (500-750 per phone).
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In defense of Ed...
Random_Walk 21st Dec 2010
Guys, to be fair, Ed did mention that some channel stuffing may be going on. To wit: "and it?s telling that Microsoft isn?t sharing that number. If those phones aren?t flying out of the stores, then it could be a classic case of channel stuffing."

And someone asked how many MSFT sold internally... I'm thinking they're not allowed to count those (it'd be a few dozen thousand anyway, IIRC). That said, I remember Dell saying tehy were going to buy a big clot of 'em.

I'm not exactly Ed's biggest fan, but let's give him at least a little credit this go 'round.
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RE: Microsoft on Windows Phone 7:
Graham Ellison 21st Dec 2010
@Ed Bott

If you're going to demand a respondent checks their facts, maybe you should qualify your repost. In 2007 the market for smartphones was fairly new, and the market for smartphones with touch screens was virtually nonexistent. That Prada offering doesn't really count.

In the intervening three years the market has matured. So comparing Microsoft's alleged sales of 1.5m WP7 phones to resellers [in a mature market] should not be compared with Apple's actual sales of the first iPhone [in a completely new market] to real end users.

But your thinly disguised skepticism in your article is applauded here. The quoted comments are nothing more than brash PR from MS, and utterly meaningless in real terms, yet hugely telling in respect to what they don't tell us.

If MS had real results to report, as Apple and Google apparently do, they would release them. They haven't, so they don't. This is further proof that MS is the third player in this game.

Having said that, market share is not even a 1990s concept worth chasing. It was wrong even two decades before that. Yet so many companies still chase this mythical status, as if it's an end in itself - something to aspire to. Market share is a by-product of getting a lot of other things right, most notably customer satisfaction, which in turn is a by-product of getting the user experience right.

Serious revenue also needs to be derived from the process, although MS can't hope to come close to Apple with their device ownership and eight revenue streams.

The by-product of getting all this right is profits - and again, MS will have serious difficulty competing. So I guess fanciful numbers must sustain them.
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RE: Microsoft on Windows Phone 7:
nix_hed 21st Dec 2010
On cyberslammer2's point - Microsoft is the master of numbers manipulation when it comes to that sort of thing. As most people that follow the video game system sales thing know, Microsoft included the warranty replacement units within it's XBox 360 sales figures, where Nintendo and Sony only included retail sales within their tallies for all of their systems. What's to say that Microsoft wouldn't try to hide the truth that only a couple more people are buying Windows Phone 7?

How about a real metric of how well Windows Phone 7 is doing - I want app store figures.
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Davewrite don't tell half-truths???
Ron Bergundy 21st Dec 2010
your convienently leaving out how apples ad budjet works compared to other vendors - Apple DOESN'T count the cost of APPLE instore advertising or training as the other companies have to because they don't have store of their own.

or do you want us to believe that apple employees are born with the nowledge and that the instore ads just magically appear??

If they did count that then of course the numbers would be higher and you would be too scared to say anything.

sorry the truth hurts but that life.
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Davewrite 21st Dec 2010
@cyberspammer2

Your post is totally confusing.

what is "Apple DOESN'T count the cost of APPLE instore advertising or training as the other companies have to because they don't have store of their own. "

Apple does have hundreds of Apple stores...

????
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RE: Microsoft on Windows Phone 7:
J Hartsock 21st Dec 2010
@Ed Bott

And Microsoft has the cash to buy time to gain market share as they expand their trifecta of xbox-smartphone-tablet/mobile computing.
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RE: Microsoft on Windows Phone 7:
NPGMBR 22nd Dec 2010
@Ed Bott

Well maybe I can get my WP7 device activated if Dell ever gets it to me. Still waiting on my Dell Venue Pro that was supposed to have been delivered last Friday. Its now supposed to arrive on Dec 24 and I'll activate it as soon as it soon as it arrives.

This all makes me wonder how much manufacturers and retailers are affecting WP7s ability to sell. Dell fumbled the launch of the Venue Pro miserably and T-Mobile has made little effort to promote the one device they do have.

So, what kind of impact do these issues have on adoption of the platform?
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RE: Microsoft on Windows Phone 7:
symbolset 22nd Dec 2010
@Ed Bott How long did it take to sell the 7th generation iPhone? Because this is Windows Phone [{-7-}].
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RE: Microsoft on Windows Phone 7:
jrojo@... Updated - 23rd Dec 2010
I recently switched my job related phone from Iphone 3GS to a Samsung Focus running WP7... I concur with EmpireStateBuddy with the fact that the IOS interface now seems dated .. the WP7 "Tiles" interface is intuitive, responsive, the integration of the social networking updates is clever... camera interface is simple, the maps / directions interface is great...Marketplace is super simple to use, Xbox Live is a cool feature and Zune works great... in general the WP7 interface is elegant and easy to use... there is a lot to like in WP7, of course it is irritating not to have a lot of the common and useful apps already in the marketplace... and some areas of WP7 feel unfinished/unpolished... unfortunately Microsoft is going to have a tough time trying to make a dent in this arena... it feels like is a little bit too late for MS
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roteague 21st Dec 2010
@gtdworak Hmmm.... the iPhone is in it's 4th version and has been a runaway success. The WP7 phone is new and unknown. Fortunately, not every makes a clueless an oberservation as you have.
@roteague.. WP7 competes against 2010 phones, not 2007 phones... that's reality.. that's what MS is dealing with..

at introduction of a new phone.. Apple can sell more phones in 3days than MS can sell in 6weeks.. and we don't even know the real number of sales to actual customers yet... that Apple selling 1 phone on one carrier while WP7 is coming from multiple device manufactures on every carrier..
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Jimster480 21st Dec 2010
@cyberslammer and apple has sold so many ipads yet i have seen 3 in the wild. And that is between the public and the university that I attend with 40k students. Apple must be lieing then right?
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Badgered 21st Dec 2010
@doctorspoc while WP7 is coming from multiple device manufactures on every carrier.

Will be... but not yet. Considering the outcry of iPhone / AT&T users who would switch to another carrier if given the opportunity, I can imagine some people waiting until their carrier carries the phone they want to buy.

This is not to say I think WP7 will be a runaway success, it has a huge amount of iPhone / Android momentum to overcome.
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iPhone sales
KTLA 21st Dec 2010
@gtdworak

You ask a question, and then you go on as though you already know that the answer is yes. Why did you ask the question?

However, *NO*, Apple didn't sell "something like 2 million phones in its first three days".

It sold 1 million phones in its first *74* days. Much slower than WP7 SEEMS to have sold. I don't think it's an Apples to apples comparison, but since YOU seem to think it is, there you go.

Guess you should be wondering about how long Jobs has left at the helm? No, I didn't think so.
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I'm wondering if KTLA will interview WP7 customers
HollywoodDog Updated - 21st Dec 2010
@KTLA ... and ask them if they've ever seen a girl naked, as they did in line with iPhone customers.


"A customer in line to buy the next-generation iPhone snaps back at KTLA Reporter Eric Spillman."


www.youtube.com/watch?v=luYvuRoSzTs

Customer: "This is journalism to you?"

HollywoodDog never forgets ;-P
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@ HollywoodDog
KTLA Updated - 21st Dec 2010
Why would I do that?
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RE: Microsoft on Windows Phone 7:
DannyO_0x98 21st Dec 2010
@KTLA
HollywoodDog is riffing on the coincidence that your name is the same as a Los Angeles television station. Yes, correspondent Eric Spillman asked that question when reporting on an Apple product line.

His post confused for me a moment too, until this Angeleno got to the second paragraph.
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RE: Microsoft on Windows Phone 7:
cyberslammer2 21st Dec 2010
@KTLA SEEMS?? RTFA Microsoft sold 1.5 million to OEM CARRIERS not consumers.

At least Apple puts out sales figures and doesn't hide them, something Microsoft likes to do.
@KTLA.. the 2007 number is irrelevant since the smartphone market is completely different than the 2010 market.. 1.7million phones in three days and 300,000 activation a day is what WP7 will be going up against in 2010.. those are the numbers they will be competing with.. that's the bar and it's rising!
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Are you sure, cyberslammer2
John Zern 21st Dec 2010
Apple doesn't allways put out sales figures. When sales are down (or off target) they group iPhone and iPods together, never telling you exactlly how many sold of each product (so as to not scare investors) and to date we don't really klnow what Apple sales figures are in relation to iTunes, do we?

Analysts are always guessing.

So much for your theory. Again. wink
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Badgered 21st Dec 2010
@doctorspoc the 2007 number is irrelevant since the smartphone market is completely different than the 2010 market

I wouldn't say "completely". If you think about it, the iPhone was a new device that had to break into the market. Trying to supplant Blackberry for one. Now WP7 is in the same category as an iPhone or Android device, but is also trying to break into the market with their 1st devices.
@gtdworak

"It sold 1 million phones in its first *74* days. Much slower than WP7 SEEMS"

WP7 launched with 60 carriers in 30 countries
iPhone launched on one carrier in one country.
WP7 sales is PITIFUL.

@John Zern
"Apple doesn't allways put out sales figures. When sales are down (or off target) they group iPhone and iPods together,"

No they don't .
Apple tells exactly how many iPhones they sell every quarter. They sold 14.1 m iPhones last quarter.

Official Apple Q4 financial summary:
"The Company sold 14.1 million iPhones in the quarter, representing 91 percent unit growth over the year-ago quarter. "
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Silly comparison.
dave95. 21st Dec 2010
@Badgered

The market is already established for these new breed of smart phone devices. It's much easier for a MS to step in with a device cloning much of what the established leaders offers than it was for the then 2007 iPhone. And WP7 is being sold worldwide compared to the then iPhone, and on multiple carriers. Lets not forget the 2007 iPhone also started at $599. They still manage to sell one million in 74 days. Emphasis on actual sales to consumers btw, not sales to carriers like WP7.
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I can't help but wonder how many times
John Zern 21st Dec 2010
you'll cut and paste that same response wink
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herry.k 21st Dec 2010
@gtdworak

I'd run into a hole if I were you.
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Bad comparison
geolemon 21st Dec 2010
@gtdworak They sure didn't.... they sold 2 million iPhone 4's, but that's a highly established product with huge momentum behind it.
If you want a fair comparison, look at 1st gen iPhone sales figures. Or T-Mobile G1 sales figures (the first Android phone). Or perhaps Nexus One sales figures (the first direct-from-Google, "clean" Android phone).

I think you'll find in any case, for an entirely new platform that doesn't have a pre-existing user base - 1.5M would be huge numbers.
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Jimster480 21st Dec 2010
@gtdworak apple skews numbers to their favor all the time aswell. Apple didn't sell 2 million on its first iteration either. And there are also many fanboys which buy anything apple releases, which is how they sell so many at launch, especially since they build up inventory for a long time before launch so they can sell alot st one time. The evo sold out a few hours after launch. But they only had something like 200k handsets to sell. It would have done 1m plus if the inventory was there. Considering it was sold out for 2 months straight after its launch.
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Jimster480 21st Dec 2010
@doctorspoc the windows phone 7 platform is new. Android didn't sell many phones on its initial launch either, and now its kicking apples butt everywhere in the world. And three were plenty of smartphone when the iPhone launched. They just weren't capacitive touch.
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tonymcs@... 21st Dec 2010
@gtdworak

I really don't care about the numbers, just the committment to be in it for the long run. If MS wants to sell more they have to emphasize that a WP7 phone is better than all the others. It's elegant, sophisticated and has the best UI around as well as seamlessly synching with Exchange and the cloud. Give anyone who isn't blinded by their unholy bonding with Apple or Android, a WP7 phone to play with and if they are unencumbered with a current contract, they'll buy one. I replaced my phone and 3 of my business colleagues' phones with HTC Mozarts and the response has been universally good.

So stop pussyfooting around MS and blow your trumpet.
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I hope it succeeds...
empirestatebuddy 21st Dec 2010
Maybe this is self-serving, but I really want WP7 to succeed... if only because I love my new phone... and want it to be around so I can buy another one down the road. Fanboys can argue about numbers, but the reality is that WP7 is simply more forward-thinking than iOS & Android. It's innovative and fun to use. WP7 isn't perfect (yet)... but it's simply better than iOS & Android... which seem a bit dated now.
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SneakerZ 21st Dec 2010
@empirestatebuddy I love my WP7. My wife has one and we got 2 for the kids. I know 8 others that plan to ditch their iPhones when their contract renews. An I know 10 others that bought WP7 phones for their kids. Also the ease of use makes this a great device. I find myself reaching for my phone to check social stuff when I'm sitting at my pc. That is a huge change for me. For me to choose a phone over a pc for any tasks is new.
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luxsphinx@... 21st Dec 2010
@empirestatebuddy

I too love my new phone and hope that the platform succeeds. I do not expect it to remove Android or iOS, but I do expect it to at least be a contender. It will see updates in the near future (hopefully on time) to patch up some of the missing bits, just like the others have done, and it will become more of a competitor each time.

@SneakerZ
I also know a few people who plan on buying one of the WP7 devices once their contracts are up or their carriers sell them. I guess the experience of playing with a Samsung Focus was a good one.
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I, too, have an eye on one
Cylon Centurion 21st Dec 2010
@luxsphinx@...

My contract expires in the fall, I hope by then to pick up a WP7. The heavy Facebook integration and Metro UI has pretty much won me over already. It's innovative and unique.
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Stop Skewing the Facts Ed
cyberslammer2 21st Dec 2010
Mary Jo already corrected her article.

1.5 million phones were sold to OEM carriers, not consumers....I'm hearing that 100,000 have actually been sold to consumers...

Correct the article..
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Ed Bott Updated - 21st Dec 2010
@cyberslammer2

That's the whole point of my post! I even boldfaced the text in the original quote, abnd Mary Jo updated her post in response.

If you're trying to make yourself look like an idiot, you're succeeding impressively.
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RE: Microsoft on Windows Phone 7:
rockroars 21st Dec 2010
@Ed Bott

This guy is all over the place even in the other post by MJ. He is spamming the message board with no meaningful contribution to the thread, its such a pain in the eye when I try to read the comments.
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RE: Microsoft on Windows Phone 7:
cyberslammer2 21st Dec 2010
@Ed Bott Wow, nice response, typical of an employee of ZDNet...did I call you an idiot? No, I did not.

So if anyone looks like an idiot, it's you for throwing out an insult to a reader. Nice job.
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On that idiot thing...
zkiwi 21st Dec 2010
Your second paragraph claims (at this point that) the 1.5 million are sales (not sales to OEM's).

Your "emphasis added" bit thing does not clarify this at all.

Your parenthesized paragraph still implies that these are actual sales, not to OEM's.

And the last occurrence of 1.5 million in your blog still does not identify the 1.5 million clearly as OEM sales.

That and you are being extremely disingenuous in comparing WP7 to iPhone 1, when it is in fact competing against iPhone 4 and the current Android and Blackberry's.
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RE: Microsoft on Windows Phone 7:
CobraA1 2nd Jan 2011
"How many of those phones have been activated by customers? That?s the real metric for market share"

Eh, Microsoft probably made the money regardless.

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