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Mozilla tries social media to get its Firefox mojo back

By | March 25, 2010, 3:36pm PDT

Summary: Mozilla used to have a scrappy underdog personality and a passionate community that evangelized for Firefox enthusiastically. Lately, though, most of what I’ve seen about Firefox is negative. Mozilla is responding with an increased presence in social media sites. Can a Twitter/Facebook army really undo negative perceptions?

Update 3-April: A new tweet from @FirefoxCares announces that the Twitter experiment ends later today: “Dearest users, make your questions: we are closing temporarily the experiment this evening,to decide and evaluate our future in Twitter ^RM”

Update 26-March: Mozilla’s David Tenser adds some interesting comments in the Talkback section.

I heard some grumbling about Firefox this morning. In the space of a few minutes via Twitter, I saw tweets from two people who had begun experiencing a sudden uptick in Firefox crashes. Falling back on my old J-school training (”Two is a coincidence, three is a story”) I asked if anyone else was having problems. In response came a small number of additional problem reports mixed in with a lot of all-clears. One tweet that stood out from the rest came from @FirefoxCares and read:

Can you get me a report ID, enter about:crashes in Firefox and DM or tweet the results? ^TM

I was initially skeptical. That’s a response I would expect from an official support alias like @ComcastCares. But I didn’t know Firefox had anything except community support. More red flags about the account: it only had 13 followers and appeared to have been created today. The Twitter profile page contained a link to the parent Twitter page, a social endless loop, and nothing more. Was the person behind this account legit? After a few messages back and forth, @FirefoxCares sent me this link to the Support/Social Media page at the Mozilla Wiki. According to the notes at the bottom, the goal of this experiment is to “be present on social networks to help users with their Firefox problems or prevent bad ratings from going viral, if help is not directly possible, and extract useful information for SUMO.” (SUMO is the Support Mozilla project.)

“Prevent bad ratings from going viral”? That sounds like something one definitely wants to avoid. More detail from the Background section of the page:

Sites like Facebook or Twitter have hundreds of millions of users. […] Social networks make it very easy for issues to become viral. That changes the perception of Firefox in a disproportionate way.

Indeed, it seems like the people working on this program are reacting to a trend that’s been under way for some time. Mozilla used to have a scrappy underdog personality and a passionate community that evangelized for Firefox enthusiastically. Lately, though, most of what I’ve seen about Firefox, on Twitter and elsewhere, is negative. The shiny new browser is Google Chrome, and most of the discussion about Firefox is about problems with security or stability. Earlier this month the German government officially advised against using Firefox because of an critical security vulnerability (since patched). And among the people I follow I’ve seen lots more complaints lately about Firefox performance.

The Mozilla Wiki page lists three objectives for this experiment:

  1. Reach out to users who need help, using little snippets that could solve their problems. Long-term, we want to reach close to 100% of all users.
  2. Get a better understanding of the current perception of Firefox and the biggest problems users experience, and act upon that information.
  3. On one hand prevent issues from becoming viral by intercepting and channeling to SUMO if help is not possible in social network. On the other hand use viral effect to our advantage: people retweeting our help messages.

It’s an interesting experiment, but those are incredibly ambitious goals. How many Firefox users are there, and how many potential problem reports are they talking about on Facebook alone? Is it a failure of the free, open model that no one at Mozilla seems to have a good understanding of how its flagship product is perceived by its users? And even if this support effort can scale, I wonder whether it can keep Firefox from plateauing or even beginning a slow gradual decline. On my personal list of browsers, Firefox used to share the top spot with IE. Now it’s fallen to third behind IE8 and Chrome, and judging by my latest web metrics I think I have lots of company.

That once-impressive Firefox growth curve is being dragged down by the shiny new thing, Google Chrome, which has stolen all the attention (and positive buzz) of the early adopters. It’s being blocked on the other side by a resurgent Internet Explorer, which crossed the “good enough” threshold with IE8 and is getting grudging acceptance and even some positive buzz of its own for the IE9 preview Microsoft released at MIX10. It’s hard being number two in any market. In the case of Firefox, which is still run by a “public benefit corporation” wholly owned by a nonprofit foundation, it’s even tougher to be sandwiched between two of the wealthiest corporations in the world.

Firefox seems to have lost whatever momentum it once had.

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RE: Mozilla tries social media to get its Firefox mojo back
AppleJack522 19th Jul
@chessmen I have only had issues with FF ONCE! and it has like 2 versions ago and it was only because there was a split second powersurge while I was downloading then again when I was installing so of course the files were not transfered properly, no fault of Mozillas! I love my Firefox and get very mad when a cloud app/program doesn't work on Firefox.
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And down goes FF.
storm14k 25th Mar 2010
I don't know about IE 8 or 9 having any impact but Chrome certainly will. Yet none of this would be what kills FF. They are about to loose their way and concern themselves with marketing instead of just producing the best product they can and winning on merit. The mojo they have lost is that of innovation. Bring us the features that make using the web better and the people will come.
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Chrome has what people want
Macintoshtoffy 28th Mar 2010
After all, Chrome has what people want:

- Clean, simple and straight forward UI with no unneeded stuff.
- Tab and plugin isolation.
- Great security because it uses the underlying operating systems
security features.
- Fast, stable and reliable.
- Conforms to some of the latest and greatest standards so that
developers can deliver great services using standards based technology
without needing to use bloated, buggy and unreliable plugins like Flash.
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It also pings Google-Analytics
still not nice 28th Mar 2010
Let's Google know what your surfing habits are, logs your IP and supposedly keeps it for only 1 year. At least that's what Google says. wink

If you don't mind giving up some privacy and have them tracking you all over the place, then Chrome is right for you.

But I don't trust them anymore than I trust M$.
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Firefox's interface...
Tom12Tom 25th Mar 2010
I use IE8, but also have Firefox installed on my system.

Anyway, compared to IE8, Firefox's interface strikes me as being really clunky and old fashioned.
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Firefox Interface Is Great!
chessmen 26th Mar 2010
I hate IE for its cluttered interface. Firefox is clean and simple.
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Firefox Interface Is Great!
anzaksonn 26th Mar 2010
Exactly! Most of the other browsers have been copying Firefox! Cluttered??? Its all up to you how cluttered you want it to be!!! That kind kind of freedom wasnt even dreamed of be IE people. How much more innovation do ppl want from a browser??? Incredible, people whining at the best browser in the internet world!!!
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Clunky & old fashioned?
still not nice 26th Mar 2010
Good grief...

Have you tried using the multitudes of alternate skins that are out there?

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/browse/type:2/cat:all?sort=popular
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Contributr
Firefox complains aren't a new thing ...
Adrian Kingsley-Hughes 25th Mar 2010
... think spiralling memory consumption and instabilities.

Now the fanboys have a new toy to play with, Firefox is going to have to work hard to keep not only its market share but its evangalists.

Like you said, being squeezed between two multi-billion dollar corporations is not a good place to be.
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It has been so long since I have had a Firefox crash that I can't even remember ever having one. Spiraling memory consumption and instabilities?
@chessmen I have only had issues with FF ONCE! and it has like 2 versions ago and it was only because there was a split second powersurge while I was downloading then again when I was installing so of course the files were not transfered properly, no fault of Mozillas! I love my Firefox and get very mad when a cloud app/program doesn't work on Firefox.
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I couldnt tell the difference, although FF has been vulnerable till this week. After the update, I notice FireFox is back to good performance again.

IE had it's updates last week, but I don't use it as much anymore, so I can't really rate any issues now.

I do really like how Cool Iris integrates with FireFox and makes using FaceBook much more intertaining. Cool Iris puts Mozilla even with IE 8 in high-def page images! I used to switch to IE for that, but don't have to now.

If it weren't for FF's plugins, it couldn't keep up. Sometimes I can't get pages to render properly with IE 8 and sometimes it is FireFox, so I do trade browsers to see what works. This as been an issue since 3.5, and the big Microsoft updates a few weeks ago. I have no idea which is causing what. I haven't looked at my event monitor.

I'm still using Fire Fox; I like it.
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Time for Firefox to kill some sacred cows.
CobraA1 Updated - 25th Mar 2010
I think IE became "good enough" with IE7, but
what constitutes "good enough" is largely
opinion. But, enough of that, my primary rant
is aimed at Firefox itself.

Firefox lost its momentum in more ways than one
- it turns out that any project that
gets sufficiently large, be it open or closed
source, is gonna get large and unwieldy in its
development.

I think there's also a large "sacred cow"
effect - a lot of the top maintainers get used
to the program working in a certain way, and
don't want to change it.

Whatever the explanation - Chrome beat Firefox
in so many ways. One of the most noticeable
(especially on multi-core CPUs) is that Chrome
uses multiple processes. That means that
slowdowns and lockups only affect a part of
chrome (usually one tab), and don't bring down
the whole browser. It also means that even
under a heavy load, it's still generally fast
and responsive.

Chrome + modern OS + multiple cores = crazy
fast.

But, for whatever reason, Mozilla has continued
to be afraid to kill some sort of "sacred cow"
and add thread or process isolation to Firefox.
Hence, it continues, even with the most recent
updates, to lock up the whole browser when
something misbehaves.

. . . and with Chrome now supporting
extensions, and with many of the top Firefox
extensions now being available in Chrome - I'm
on Chrome as my primary browser.

. . . and if there are any Firefox devs around
here:

Kill the sacred cow, get over whatever
concerns you have, and implement thread/process
isolation.
I'm sick and tired of Firefox
locking up the whole thing when something
happens.
That update will add isolation of the flash
process and it will just be the starting point
for their isolation ambitions.

I don't think it's a matter of Mozilla being
afraid to do anything. Instead, I think the real
issue is that they have to preserve the
stability and usability of the browser as they
make these drastic changes, and it won't be easy
to do, given the amount of code that Firefox
already has. Chrome's in a different boat,
because it doesn't have as much code as Firefox
and they built the new security features into
the very basic browser before they started to
add usability feature. That has allowed their
developers to work much faster. I think all
those who are complaining should take some time
to find out what Mozilla actually has planned in
the pipeline. I did, and that's why I'm sticking
with Firefox.
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de-void-21165590650301806002836337787023 26th Mar 2010
It's about time Mozilla got around to adding some improved process/page/add-in isolation infrastructure to Firefox - even IE7 offered significantly better isolation and hardening than Firefox does today.

Frankly, in my book, all browser vendors should focus all their work on the following priorities:
1) Security
2) Security
3) Security
4) Usability
5) Standards support
6) Performance
7) Future proposed standards support

Alas, it appears that everyone other than Microsoft is focussing on this list in reverse order.

Chrome is in a different boat because it's a MUCH younger code-base which was architected from the outset to use process-isolated, sandboxed pages, as was IE7.

Firefox should NOT have been focussing so much time and effort making their browser run javascript a little bit faster when most sites don't use enough javascript to make any noticeable difference. In the meantime, firefox users continue to suffer crashes, hangs and intrusions from flaky/malicious add-ins and vulnerability exploits.

It's time all browser vendors cooled their heels on implementing proposed standards features for a while and really harden their browsers against the malicious b@stards out there who make the internet a dangerous place for most users to be hanging out.
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not fast enough . . .
CobraA1 26th Mar 2010
Whatever - all I really know is that I don't have
the time to wait for stuff, especially in an
environment where work needs to be done. Doesn't
matter if they will eventually - I need my browser
to be responsive now, not in another year.
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Firefox Still Better Than IE anything
chessmen 26th Mar 2010
I liked your post. Chrome is my secondary browser; I just can't give up my add on's. In addition, I love Firefox's interface. IE is still the slowest browser on the planet.
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Not for nothing
x I'm tc 26th Mar 2010
But crashes aren't relevant, because FireFox never crashes. As in, I remember FireFox crashing like a bad dream I had years ago, but it is just a glimmer in the back of my mind. I don't think I've had FireFox go down since 2007...

There may be some tiny JavaScript performance advantage in Chrome, but FireFox still offers the best overall experience.

In addition, people have to recognize that FireFox is run by a company who's purpose is to do good on the Internet. Chrome is backed by a company who's purpose is, as far as I can tell, to do what companies do, which is make money. Being open source in no way mitigates that fact.

If Google wanted to do good, they would have used FireFox as the basis for Chrome, and helped Mozilla do tab threading and improve their JavaScript performance, not taken control of the browser all for themselves. But Google looks out for Google, while Mozilla looks out for us.
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thoughts
CobraA1 26th Mar 2010
"In addition, people have to recognize that
FireFox is run by a company who's purpose is to
do good on the Internet."

The road to heck is paved with good intentions
. . .

. . . and like all open source projects - it's
not just run by the company, there's
significant contributions by a lot of people.
We actually don't know what everybody's
intentions are.

"Chrome is backed by a company who's purpose
is, as far as I can tell, to do what companies
do, which is make money."

Interestingly enough - the browser probably
doesn't do much for them there. Most of their
revenue is from the advertising in their search
engine.

"If Google wanted to do good, they would have
used FireFox as the basis for Chrome, and
helped Mozilla do tab threading and improve
their JavaScript performance, not taken control
of the browser all for themselves."

. . . and it would take another several years
for Google to accomplish what they wanted to
accomplish, and they'd have to deal with a lot
of legacy code.
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I seem to remember reading that when google started investing in Mozilla, the deveopers then based the browser on something called chrome. I've had several techs correct me when I waver away from this.

Is it the other way around?
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"chrome"
CobraA1 26th Mar 2010
"chrome" is a generic term for the parts of the
browser that aren't part of the web page. The
tabs, the URL bar, the toolbars, the buttons, the
menus, the status bar, etc are all "chrome."

Not to be confused with Google Chrome, the
browser.
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I'm still confused, but thanks!...
JCitizen 27th Mar 2010
I was fiddling with the browser setting one day and saw that term too, the context doesn't match; but I get this from some pretty well respected members of Tech Republic, some of which have done some volunteer coding work for the Mozilla Foundation.

It is probably just me and my penchant for drawing instant conclusions to things - to over simplify.

I really do appreciate the rep! happy
I have nothing but problems with Firefox crashing now, ever since the last update. It crashes when I open it, it crashes when I'm doing nothing but reading a webpage. Crash, crash, crash.....
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In fact, I've been using the dev versions of 3.6
of Firefox on Ubuntu for most of the year, and
despite being a developer's version, it hasn't
crashed once. I also use Firefox on Windows XP
and Vista and it doesn't crash there either.

If you're on Windows, you might want to take a
look at the state of your registry and take a
closer look at your plugins and extensions. The
last time I had browser crash issues was when my
Windows XP registry accumulated errors that
affected an upgrade of the Safari browser
(Windows ran stably even with 1000+ errors in
the registry so I didn't suspect it at first).
It crashed so often that I would sometimes blink
and the browser would be gone. Once I realize
where the problem lay, a reinstall of Windows
fixed that issue and Safari never crashed again.
Right now, there are lots of people running
Windows XP who haven't done a single
reinstallation since their machine was
purchased. Those machines are riddled with
registry errors - I guarantee it. Eventually, as
I found out, one of the first sign of broken
registries is browser update failures and
crashes. This was one of the reasons why I
decided to give Ubuntu a try.

The moral of the story is - IF you're on Windows
and software suddenly starts crashing,
especially after updates, don't assume it's the
software's fault until you can rule out other
possible causes, which can include Windows
itself.
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FF hasn't crashed on me for ages
marks055@... 25th Mar 2010
I use Windows but I also tend to upgrade slowly. I was using version 2 until it hit .20 version and I still prefer 3 over 3.5.
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Are You Serious?
chessmen 26th Mar 2010
If you are having that many problems, there is something wrong with your operating system. Perhaps its time for another Windows reinstall.
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Or deleting some of those plug-ins
still not nice 26th Mar 2010
If he has 20 - 30 plug-ins installed, no wonder it becomes unstable.
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I am currently moving almost completely over to a UNIX desktop as my browsing platform. I installed FireFox on this platform and am up to date with the release for it. FreeBSD 8.

I have a lot of problems with FireFox locking up. On my windows box, which I will never completely leave. I pretty much only use IE8 so I currently don't have a good comparison between operating systems and FireFox.

I was wondering if it was an issue with FireFox and FreeBSD, For one thing, FireFox on FreeBSD does not use flash, it use's a linux alternate instead.

hmmmm, makes me wonder what really is going on.

And yes, I am posting this from my UNIX box. I feel a hell of alot safer surfing from this machine then my windows machine. Email too, which also is a Mozilla product(Thnderbird).
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UNIX + surfing
klumper Updated - 25th Mar 2010
Old school brain drains, via Hawaii and SoCal. wink
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I don't use Firefox
klumper 25th Mar 2010
personally but I would never laugh or scoff at what Mozilla has achieved to date, admirable as it has been. Hopefully the offspringed remnants of Navigator will live on, long and healthily.

But yeah, it goes without saying, being caught between billion dollar "champagne" pincers is not an ideal place to be when you're a gecko with little more than beer funds.
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No crashes here
MoeFugger 25th Mar 2010
None here in a long time.
I like Firefox. It's a decent browser and the role it has played to revitalize the browser market cannot be overstated. We would not have the choice of multiple excellent browsers we have today without FF. However, it has never been as good as its marketing, mostly because its marketing has never been about it.

Before FF was released, serious web developers used Mozilla because of Gecko. (And the tabs.) I moved away from IE6, using it only to log into a few sites (like the bank) that blocked Mozilla, when I saw how much better Mozilla was at rendering sites. When FF came out, I revved it up, used it for a week, and went back to Mozilla. The engine was everything, so why waste time with a light weight and kind of childish looking version of it?

FF has been marketed from Day 1 as the anti-IE. It is David up against the Redmond Goliath. Except - the add-ons are now more popular than the browser. The people I work with stick with FF because they've found this or that add-on that they just love. They don't know bupkiss about CSS, web standards, or anything else. They refuse to upgrade (and expose themselves to hacks) because their favorite add-on is not ready for the newest version of FF. Some even roll back to earlier versions just to get that widget. I can look at my visitation logs and see FF 2.x numbers as high as IE6. Higher on some sites.

The problem with FF promotion is that it exists as a fantacized ideal of a browser that the awful, grubby, terminally uncool IE will never match. Until it does, and may very well surpass within the next 18 months. Let IE get a No-Script style add-on and the end consumers who are tired of the crashes and don't care about the finer points of the box model will move to it because of the browser itself, just as developers and power users are going over to Chrome for the Google cache. As Google gets developer oriented add ons (IE8 already has built in developer tools that are quite good), there will be more attrition. All I use FF for anymore is a couple of the Web Developer tools and to make sure things look as good there as they do in IE7/8. The browser itself doesn't distinguish itself enough to be my daily browser.

FF has promoted itself as NotIE for the length of its existence. When the IE in question was IE6 (still a far better browser than most realize), there was some traction. When it's IE8, not so much. It's no longer an open field, either, with Chrome, Safari and Opera vying for that same "We're not MS!" market slice. Mozilla has done in marketing what MS did in technology - believed their own hype and settled in to a self-defeating routine.

You don't have to like IE to recognize the sea change that has occurred in the product. What people may not realize is that where browser competitors are doing things they imagine will cut IE out, MS is opening up their other product lines to support use with non-IE browsers. They exude confidence in demos showing off their latest cool stuff and flip back and forth between IE, FF and Safari, between PCs and Macs (yes, I sat through a major sales demo where the MS tech was cheerily tapping away on his Macbook), etc. Yes, they do like showing how the coolest and swoopiest features are best experienced with IE, but immediately offer tips on how to get the most out of X with FF

This lack of defensiveness stands in contrast to the increasingly strident and dismissive posture of FF and Chrome promoters (See Ed's post about Jeff Zeldman's silly rant. Jeff engages in more of them as IE gets better. You'd think the founder of ALA would be in better spirits at the proof of the success of his legendary "No more bad browsers" campaign - aimed against Netscape and promoting IE adoption. But I digress...) and it has an impact on enterprise customers. Seeing IE hold its own against the others in combination with how well MS supports the competion reassures customers that they won't be locked into anything. This raises the bar for competitors to offer the same level of support.

OK, that was wandering off topic a bit. Bottom line, FF needs a new sales angle. It is no longer enough to not be IE.
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You make some good points
klumper 25th Mar 2010
And yes, image + marketing alone rarely cut it over the long haul (though exceptions apply), more so in evolving tech arenas where you're judged only as good as your latest entry. If you're incapable of backing any head of steam (hype) you've generated with discernable results, you stand no chance of future-proofing your claims - or investment.
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Good points. I agree
Cylon Centurion 26th Mar 2010
"FF has promoted itself as NotIE for the length of its existence. When the IE in question was IE6 (still a far better browser than most realize), there was some traction"

Specifically this statement right here. Firefox back in the day, was the anti-IE6. I can't say I agree that it was a better browser, but Firefox then blew IE out of the water uncontested. But today, Firefox remains essentially the same. Same UI, Same features, etc... No real changes have been made to it in a long time. D:
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Firefox is open source; written by people who just love computers. They don't have people who are being paid to sit around and discuss the sales angle. That is a Microsoft idea. Remember when Vista first came out and everyone was complaining? Microsoft's first response was to come out with an expensive ad campaign.
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Or did it?
Mitch 74 26th Mar 2010
If its hype was that it was the anti-IE, it lived it so well it became lost in it. That's actually how you explain it yourself.

Now, Firefox is also an established product, that started as an experiment: make a browser out of a toolkit. Gecko is, after all, everything in the app: it is the engine behind the web page you see displayed, but also behind the windows and menus you open when you go around its settings.

That very same engine is also used in Thunderbird, and Sunbird, and SeaMonkey... It's heavy. It's very complete.

It also means that creating a port for a specific OS is very fast.

Look at how long it took Google to port Chrome to Linux! To port it to Mac! Heck, to build a working 64-bit version!

Firefox is platform-agnostic. You can use it wherever you are, on whatever computer or computerized gizmo you have around. an extension written for Windows 32-bit will work (except if it contains a piece of compiled binary code) on Linux on ARM. That, for me, is reason enough to stick to it.

Where's IE for Mac? Where's Chrome for 64-bit Linux? How can I have a consistent browsing experience across all the computers I use? Well, there's only one browser that can do that: Firefox.
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This has happened before, and will happen again.
Cylon Centurion 26th Mar 2010
You are right about one thing, Chrome is stealing the spotlight away from Firefox. Just like Firefox stole the spotlight away from IE and Netscape back in 2004. But it won't be long before something else steals the spotlight away from Chrome. It's an endless game.

Firefox is still my main browser regardless (Still not trustworthy of Google anymore). I think if Mozilla goes back to its roots, (More simpler, secure, fast) it can still come out ahead. The browser still feels as if we are living in 2006 yet. No Windows 7 integration, dated UI.... There is a reason Chrome is coming out ahead.

Rarely has Firefox crashed on me, and each time it has, it didn't take too long to come back up with my pages I was on. It's a great browser with a few features IE doesn't have - Extensions! No more ads for me, I can finally get back to the Internet!
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Nonsense
still not nice 27th Mar 2010
The browser still feels as if we are living in 2006 yet. No Windows 7 integration, dated UI....

You know as well as I do there's plenty of options out there to change the drab default interface. There's even a IE8-like theme that's close enough...

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4988

There is a reason Chrome is coming out ahead.

Not until Google lets me block them if I want to (from Google-Analytics spyware), and I don't see them biting their own hand that feeds them anytime soon.
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Firefox 3.6 more like MolassesFox.
Solid Jedi Knight 26th Mar 2010
I switch to Firefox about 3.5. Initially, it
was a good & fast build. However, as soon as
3.6 arrived, Firefox lost something in 3.6 that
increased my crashes on my Windows 7 x64
system. It got so bad that it was happening
every couple of days. Even with Flash, Java,
Silverlight, & other basic plugins up to date.
That one build got so bad, I finally had to
pull the plug on Firefox 3.6.

I've switched to Chrome & it's been smooth
sailing. A couple of my friends in the IT
business warned me that Chrome is not secure.
Then if that's so, why did none of the hackers
at PWN 2 Own 2010 challenge Chrome? While I'm
sure there are issues with Chrome, I am getting
the feeling that the IT caution on Chrome is
based on earlier versions. So far the current
build seems fast, responsive, & good to go.

Mozilla needs to reign in Firefox. Get the
speed & stability back. Mozilla needs to work
harder to strengthen security. Microsoft is
doing so with IE 9 but it's early to say. As
for Google, I'd like them to further work on
privacy settings & greater security. However,
so far I'm not seeing any major issues with
Chrome.
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Add-Ons Speed Up The Browser Considerably
chessmen Updated - 26th Mar 2010
So many websites have advertising, pop up windows, web tracking and other scripting goop clogged in with their content. The plug in NoScript cuts through the fog and speeds up the browser.

If you need convincing, try this. Load Zdnet with Firefox and Chrome (make sure the browser cache on both are empty). Firefox with the NoScript add on enabled will be faster. If you really want a super fast browser, then use Firefox with NoScript and AddBlocker. Don't even bother putting IE in the test group. Why waste your time?

Another thing to consider is that Chrome doesn't have these add on available. One of my favorites is NoSquint. It doesn't effect browsing speed, but it sure is easy on these older eyes.
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It thought so...

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I haven't noticed that FF acts as a super fast browser with NoScript and AddBlocker particularly. If anything, there seems to be a time lag that shows on my dual core HP pavilion. Chrome, on the other hand, seems to lock up and freeze consistently for my wife on her b%oody Farmville "experience". Ah well, to each their own.
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MolassesFox Indeed
David 1/2d 26th Mar 2010
Firefox 3.6 cripples my PCs. Not just occasionally, but within a minute every time it's opened.

I raised the issue on a Firefox support blog and almost every response is the same story. A couple of people have suggested fixes but sadly none have fixed Firefox on my machines.

No problem at all with Firefox 3.5.8 - I'm using it now and I'm really happy with it. But unless 3.6 is fixed fast, millions of users are going to be out of here.

And there's nothing going to happen on social sites that will make it anything other than worse.

If you think mine's an oddball case, please tell me the fix, not that I'm wrong.

David
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The "new kid on the block" grew old.
No_Ax_to_Grind 26th Mar 2010
Happens all the time.
I mostly use Firefox at home, IE6 at work (no choice), both on XP. I had been using Chrome on and off until a week or so ago when I discovered that it was the cause of my system going molasses. Windows Task Manager shows many Chrome processes taking 99% CPU time. If I terminate Chrome, I get my system back. Add-ons to Firefox make it superior to IE for my uses.
Chrome? Are you out of your ever loving minds? Chrome is the worst written browser in history. Very awkward to use. Firefox is the best browser out right now for power users like me. I'd rate IE8 next best. I'm looking way down the list at Chrome.
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The community is behind this effort
djst Updated - 26th Mar 2010
A few comments on your article:

1. Our support community is of course behind this effort. Although it's not explicitly stated on the wiki page (https://wiki.mozilla.org/Support/SocialMedia), the community is the reason why we have a chance to support as many users as we have.

2. The particular tweet you're quoting was from long-time community volunteer Tobbi (the "^TM" part of the tweet is the initials of the person responding, and we're using that to track things like how many are participating, and by how much).

3. We have a pretty good understanding of how Firefox is perceived by our users already. You may have misinterpreted the wiki page if you think we aren't looking at what people say about our product today. The objective listed on the page is about formalizing the way we report and present feedback particularly from social media (not including our other channels, such as the support forums).

SUMO (http://support.mozilla.com) is a community-powered effort to help Firefox users have a great experience on the web. Naturally, however, not everyone is able to find our support site, and this experiment is about reaching out to people outside of the traditional SUMO boundaries. But the goal of that outreach is the same as for the project as a whole.

We've trying a few things right now, and one is to use CoTweet, since it offers an easy way to track which tweets have been responded to already (something we're already used to in our support forum). One of the drawbacks is that people can't just respond to tweets with their own Twitter account, so we created FirefoxCares. We may also try to use a hashtag and encourage people to help using their own Twitter accounts.

Feedback is of course very welcome, and if people want to help out, you've welcome over to #sumo on irc.mozilla.org, where we're discussing this experiment and many other things around our community-powered support site.

Best,
David Tenser
SUMO Manager, Mozilla
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FF 3.6.2 is Best Ever
rgeiken@... 26th Mar 2010
I guess the magazine article writers have to have something to muse about, but telling us that people are not satisfied with FF is BS of the highest degree. IE8 is offered for free with the MS operating systems, but a whole lot of people try FF and then improve it by adding the add ons. Whenever there is a problem they take prompt action, and you can't expect more than that.

Keep up the good work with Firefox!!!!
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My last crash...
TaDaH 26th Mar 2010
...was March 31st, 2009!
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Another Worthless Article at ZD Net
rgeiken@... 26th Mar 2010
Jesse James tried something new and exciting instead of his tried and true Companion. Look where that is getting him!!!! I have used Firefox for years, and currently have FF 3.6.2 installed, and it is working great. I can't imagine moving to another Browser no matter how hard they try to convince me that it is the best. I have 26 extensions installed, and they serve me just fine. This is the most user friendly software that I have ever had installed. I have not had a FF crash for at least a month, and probably a lot longer than that. I checked my Vista Reliability monitor recently and it was at a 10.0 for several weeks some kind of failure, not FF brought it down, but I am still well pleased. If you want a real workhorse, use FF. I am sure that I could speed it up if I removed all of the add ons, but I sure wouldn't feel like the speed up was worth the loss of function.

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