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Why McAfee is still at the top of my Not Recommended list

By | July 13, 2011, 3:14pm PDT

Over the years, when I’ve had to deal with McAfee products, I have been known to unleash torrents of invective that would make a pirate blush.

But I also know from experience that companies and products can change, and it’s important that I take a fresh look every so often to ensure that my conclusions are based on current evidence.

So I’ve been using McAfee software for the past month or so. What do I think?

Here’s the tl;dr version: Yeah, McAfee is still at the top of my Not Recommended list.

Here’s the long read.

Last month I took delivery of a new Dell PC. That machine—a Dell XPS 8300 with an Intel i5, 6GB of RAM, and a 1TB drive—is now serving as my backup Media Center box. Before the end of the year, Sinofsky willing, I expect it to be running Windows 8. It’s one of the quietest PCs I’ve ever owned, impressively fast, and at $440 from the Dell Outlet it was an unbeatable bargain.

That PC came with a trial version of McAfee Security Center installed. Rather than wipe and replace that security software, I elected to leave it running and have been using it for the past 27 days.

Earlier this month I also helped my Mom pick out a Dell laptop, which arrived at her house last week, also with a trial copy of McAfee installed. She lives 1000 miles away, but I promised her I would help her get things set up using Remote Assistance.

Two Dells. Two McAfee installations. Two splitting McAfee headaches in the past 24 hours. Two uninstalls. Here are the gory details:

The Case of the Overprotective Firewall

It should have been so easy to set up a Remote Assistance connection to my Mom’s new PC. She and I both have Windows Live Messenger installed. All she has to do is send an invitation from a chat window to get the remote-support ball rolling. I got her invitation just fine, clicked Accept, and then … nothing. On her end, Windows 7 helpfully suggested that a firewall might be causing the issue and offered to fix the problem automatically. Nope.

On a hunch, I showed Mom how to uncover the hidden tray icons on the Windows taskbar. Sure enough, a trial copy of McAfee Internet Security was running. I walked Mom through the uninstaller, and after a reboot we were able to make the Remote Assistance connection without any problems.

Once McAfee was out of the picture, it was all smooth sailing. I am very proud of the fact I did not use a single cuss word during that session.

The Case of the Dead Cable Tuner

My backup Media Center PC has three TV tuners: a pair of over-the-air ATSC tuners connected to a rooftop antenna for excellent high-definition broadcast coverage and an external ATI CableCard tuner connected to my Comcast account. That tuner has worked great since I first set it up four years and three PCs ago. But shortly after I moved it to this new PC it stopped recording. I tinkered with the connections, removed and reseated the CableCard, and power-cycled several times. Nothing.

So I reran Media Center setup, detecting all three tuners and configuring them from scratch. That worked, but it’s a brute-force solution that has some side effects (lost program guide settings) and should be necessary only in exceptional circumstances.

This morning, when I tried to switched to CNN, I was greeted with a familiar and very unwelcome message: “No tuner is available.”

And then I remembered the McAfee Security Center trial version installed on this PC. It’s due to expire in three days anyway, and in my testing I haven’t seen it do anything to justify a $40-a-year (discounted) price tag.

So instead of troubleshooting, I visited Control Panel and removed the McAfee software. After a reboot, I opened Media Center and had no trouble tuning in to every available channel. With McAfee out of the way, it was easy.

Both of these PCs were Dell consumer PCs, and in both cases what should have been a pleasant out-of-box experience was made needlessly difficult because of McAfee’s intrusive software. The Remote Assistance issue in particular is one that just should not have happened. This is not a new feature. A Windows security program should know how to deal with it right out of the box, not block it silently.

On the Inspiron 15R desktop, there was also a small mountain of shovelware, including a giant Dell Stage program that kept annoying us. I couldn’t get rid of it fast enough.

I generally like what Dell’s doing with hardware these days, but the plague of unnecessary software has got to go. In fact, it makes me really wish the Microsoft Store carried the laptop model she bought. (They carry some Dells, but not the 15-inch Inspiron.) The Microsoft Signature option, with “no trialware or sample software that can slow your PC” and Microsoft Security Essentials installed, would have been a real treat.

I have had little confidence in McAfee as a company since they released a defective virus update back in April 2010 that rendered target systems unable to start. And that was just the latest in a long line of screw-ups. See A pox on McAfee (2004), and the comments on this post (2007), and this post about McAfee’s sloppy response to the Conficker worm (2009). Based on this week’s personal experience, I continue to advise against using McAfee security software.

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Ed Bott is an award-winning technology writer with more than two decades' experience writing for mainstream media outlets and online publications.

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Since 1994, Ed has written more than 25 books about Microsoft Windows and Office. Along with various co-authors, Ed is completely responsible for the content of the books he writes. As a key part of his contractual relationship with publishers, he gives them permission to print and distribute the content he writes and to pay him a royalty based on the actual sales of those books. Ed's books written prior to fall 2011 have been distributed by Que Publishing (a division of Pearson Education) and by Microsoft Press. As of November 2011, Ed is a partner in the independent publishing company Fair Trade Digital Exchange, which exclusively publishes his books.

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I agree. No good can come out of running McAfee antivirus. It IS a virus.
@mattweihl
No worry on my Linux box folks.
@Linux Geek

Do you know anyone who is not a geek and running Linux?
I'm actually replying to cwallen. (I'm a Linux Geek even though that's not my handle.) Yes, I know someone who is not a geek and running Linux: my sister. I got tired of trying to fix her Windows box, so I gave her a Linux box. A *lot* fewer questions, and no malware I have to try to remove.
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No worry on my Mac either!
Mikael_z Updated - 14th Jul
@Linux Geek
I feel sorry for all the windows-slaves who either don't know any better or use that crap because they have to because of their jobs.

The title made me think: "Why Windows is still at the top of my Not Recommended list". It's Microsoft's fault you have to use AV at all. Any other OS (read: decent OS) can protect itself.
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cwallen19803@...I had a non geek acquiantance who had Linux and she couldn't get me over to her place fast enough to remove it and install Windows!!
@Mikael_z

I feel sorry for the self-righteous Linux zealots who don?t have enough Windows expertise to configure an operating system image that is both stable and secure. It really isn?t that difficult for a knowledgeable IT professional.
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LOL...
UrNotPayingAttention 14th Jul
@Linux Geek
True... You don't have to worry about McAfee installed on your Linux box, but then, could Ed run all of the Media apps he mentioned on "your linux box"? Doubt it. And, uh, I'm saying that as a SuSE fan, mind you.

@Mikael_z
Funny... you comment about Windows lack of security on Ed's blog and talk about no worry "on your Mac". Well, no, because McAfee for Windows won't install on your Mac. But you know what will? MacDefender. (however, I don't have to worry about MacDefender on my Win7, SuSE, or Ubuntu machines)

I feel sorry for all the idiots that bought into that "Macs can't get that kind of stuff" from a (LOL) COMMERCIAL! What makes it funny is you opened that can of worms on Ed's blog who made such a big deal about MacDefender in the first place. Silly Rabbit.
@Linux Geek - No worries on either of my Windows boxes, my Mac boxes *or* my Linux boxes. But then again, I'm smarter than your average Linux user.
@mattweihl

He called their tech support to get help removing the malware and they told him they are not responsible for removing malware that their software can't detect. They are the biggest scam going. Why pay a monthly fee when there are so many good free antimalware packages out there?
@RationalGuy

Yeah, I recently got a Webroot subscription on top of my McAfee because Webroot was able to find and remove malware that I didn't even know I had (although I knew something was wrong because my computer would eat up all available - 12 GB - memory as well as all available cpu resources overnight simply while idling). And I'm someone who also routinely runs Spybot S&D, CCleaner, Malwarebytes, ioBit 360, AdAware, as well as now Microsoft Security Essentials. Now my computer is running fine again without having to reboot every day.

And the worst part is because I'm running two security suites, McAfee keeps bugging me to upgrade my service (even though I'm pretty sure I have their Total Protection package - I wasn't aware I had to get anything else) because the program detects multiple firewalls/AV soft and suggests I might run into problems because they may conflict. Odd that all my other security software play nice with each other without bugging me every day to buy more security software I don't need. I'm thinking I'll just let my McAfee subscription expire, it hasn't seemed to have helped me much so far. :P
@mattweihl

I totally agree with this statement. Here's another real world case. I had McAfee on my pc as of Monday. I began to see pop-ups for ads and my PC was running slow. Initially my thought was it can't be a virus since i have McAfee realtime scanner enabled. So I decided to grab the all in one scanner tool from Microsoft Security essntials. After running a full scan it finds 43 infected files. I couldn't believe it. I immediately removed the items, uninstalled McAfee and installed MS Security Essentials. After a reboot I immediately noticed a difference in performance throughout the business day. My PC was fast again and it wasn't just the infected files that caused the problem. McAfee has a big foot print on system resources when compared to MSSE. I plan to run MSSE and recommend it to everyone from here on out.
@rob.sharp@...

Although I prefer AVG, I agree that MS solution is much better than McAfee's.
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Uh... That's not saying much...
Wolfie2K3 18th Jul
@HappyXWindowsUser
Pretty much ANYTHING is better than McAfee... Even the much despised Norton line is better. Not too much better, but still a half a notch up from McAfee.

Case in point. This past Saturday, I got called to a client's as his machine had been suffering from a couple of BSODs. I got there and it was again able to boot - however, it was running like molassass in January at the North Pole. So I go through the Add/Remove programs list - and noticed the guy had McAfee foistware installed. After getting rid of it, and a few other annoyances - Google toolbar, ASK toolbar, etc... - the machine was back up and running in a more or less acceptable state.

Given that the machine only has 1 GB of RAM with shared video, and has a ton of stuff running (utilities for various printers and scanners, iTunes bits that run in the background, etc...) that ARE needed - in addition to the Symantec Corporate AV POS (it's useless), it could use a RAM upgrade.
@mattweihl
Add Norton and a few others to that list also. Basically anti-virus software companies that were available more than ten years ago is crap and should be avoided.

There are better anti-virus softwares than Microsoft's Security Essentials but none of them are free like MSE which never even causes a computer to even hiccup. I'm running MSE on both my desktop and laptop without a hitch nor glitch and I never have to worry about renewing it. Awesome!
@mattweihl

I have NEVER had a good experience with McAfee.
I'd rather use nothing at all and just be careful than use that crap.
@HappyXWindowsUser
"I have NEVER had a good experience with McAfee.
I'd rather use nothing at all and just be careful than use that crap."

I'd rather be set on fire than to use McAfee.
@HappyXWindowsUser
Interesting. I have had similary annoying problems with Norton and actually use McAfee on all my pc's now. But interesting to share war stories on this kind of software problem. What did you end up using to replace McAfee?
@aldoran42 ... Microsoft Security Essentials. Non-disruptive to the end-user experience, and coupled with Windows 7 and IE9, you'll have hands-down the smoothest PC operating experience.
@GoodThings2Life What he said...
@GoodThings2Life
I use MSE and like it, but I have a problem with it creating a video / audio sync issue (about 1 frame) in Windows Media Player. It has something to do with the realtime protection. Not a big problem because I use the Zune or VLC players instead and they have no delay.
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Personally...
fairportfan 14th Jul
@GoodThings2Life
...i'm happy with AVG Free, with ThreatFire running as well.
@GoodThings2Life

In terms of resource allocation, it makes sense to have the OS guys writing the AV software. In terms of malware detection...the jury is out for me. I'm just not sure.

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Although my preference is a Mac, which I use at home, in addition to Linux Mint, I use XP and Windows 7 at work.
@aldoran42

On Windows, why would anyone use anything that MS Security Essentials. An anti-malware tool that's FREE and comes from the people who wrote the OS. I've had similar problems over the years with McAfee and Norton, but none with AVG.

There is no need for McAfee or Norton, a free MS product replaced them.
@tonymcs@... There is no need for McAfee or Norton, a free MS product replaced them.

Through Comcast, Norton is running on my machines... also Free. Haven't had any real trouble with it, but if it weren't free I'd probably be using something else.
@tonymcs@...
Check the reviews of antimalware software. MS Security Essentials s mediocre, at best. Avira, Avast and AVG Free are better bets.
I totally agree with you tonymcs I have had two amd processors burn up using nortons and I have found the same problem with mcafee resource hogs computer almost always 100% use not good for any system.
@tonymcs@... An antimalware program that's free and comes from the people that created the security holes and flaws that made you vulnerable in the first place ? Now let me think.
@aldoran42 I've had similar experiences / problems with both Norton and McAfee. I've removed both of them from our work machines and my home machines. Switched everything to MS Security Essentials and use Malawarebytes for a second opinion, if necessary.
@aldoran42
We don't use either McAfee or Norton. My wife's PC was slowed to a crawl with McAfee and Norton's AV Suite screwed up the hard drive on my Mac so badly I had to erase and reinstall everything.
@aldoran42

AVG Free, as I had been using on my previous machine before it croaked. Replaced that machine with a Dell Studio XPS 9100 that came bundled with...McAfee "Security". (Hah!) After being forced to activate the McAfee crapware in order to actually *use* the new Dell, it was uninstalled as quickly as I could and replaced with AVG.
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The readers here get it! Security software vendors are leaches that feed off the fears of it's users.

Just like fallout shelter salesmen of the 50's.

What security companies should do is put their money where their mouth is: charge only if you get a virus within your subscription term, and pay back compensatory funds if they don't have a virus definition that properly cleans any given virus that you pick up.

We need solutions on how to clean up the security software industry, not a load of whining and complaining about how bad it is.
@Joe_Raby ... I'm pretty sure he did offer a solution... stop using pre-loaded crap and install something like Microsoft Security Essentials.
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Not exactly
Joe_Raby 14th Jul
@GoodThings2Life

Obviously you didn't read the material. Even after slamming McAfee numerous times in the past, he still experimented with it, ON HIS OWN MOTHER no less (for shame, Ed!)
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No, Joe, that's not correct
Ed Bott 14th Jul
@GoodThings2Life

If you're qoing to quote, please do so accurately.

My mother ordered a PC from Dell. It came with a trial version of McAfee software, not ordered. I had to help her remove it so I could make a Remote Assistance connection.

I chose to leave McAfee enabled on my own PC for a month so I could evaluate it.
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@Joe_Raby

We need solutions on how to clean up the security software industry, not a load of whining and complaining about how bad it is.

No, the software industry needs solutions to correct itself.

We as consumers need a forum to tell our fellows about bad experiences we have with manufacturers' products, so we know which ones to avoid.
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Um, what?
Joe_Raby 14th Jul
@RationalGuy

Your first statement is pretty much what I said, but they can't be trusted to make those decisions themselves.

Your second statement is exactly what I said doesn't work. The security vendors don't care about how much complaining people do. Does it make Norton any better? Don't think so. Big retail still sells it as the feature security product anyway because Symantec's kickbacks and markup are second to none. McAfee? Hell, Ed's been going on about them for the last 7 years, and what has changed? Nada! No, this is a market where advertising dollars speak louder than any voices of scathing reviewers and users. Security vendors are starting to get desperate though, now that Microsoft is building a better mousetrap.
@Joe_Raby Well, the issue is security. Should a body guard only get paid if the client is attacked, and you seem to think that if the client is injured in the attack, even though the bodyguard has not been paid yet, that the body guard should pay the client?

I don't see things as bad as you make them out to be. Using McAfee on our business computers, few attacks are successful. Some are. Would another company's product protected better? We don't know. But we do see a bunch of attacks thwarted by the installed product.

Even the free security software is funded by paid counterparts. Most folks go with a free product, but most businesses go with a paid product. So, business is funding the home users' security. The same anti-bug data is used in the home and business products. As in MS Security Essentials, which uses the same data as their enterprise product. That is a pretty good deal. No product is 100% reliable, but most of them stop the most common attacks.

So, what's to clean up in the security software industry? Seems to me they do a generally good job for a pretty good price.
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The difference with Microsoft
Joe_Raby 14th Jul
@notme403@...

...is that they charge businesses that need, or should have centralized management. Businesses of 10 PC's or less can still use MSE, and not have to pay for it. Larger than 10 PC's and they should have centralized management. That said, even without central management, Forefront Endpoint Protection is $12/PC/yr. I don't know of any other antimalware software that's as competitively priced.
Ssshhhh, we have McAfee at work but as long as they don't pry admin priveledge from my cold dead hands I'll stick with Security Essentials.
@jatbains Not a big corp? No SOx audit? Im in the middle of my PC audit and you would get the hammer. I hate Ochestrator, it stops communicating with the agents at a rate of about 30% per year. Its a PITA to make them talk again every year...
I actually like Microsoft's Security Essentials... Stays out of the way, seems to do what's required, doesn't make the machine into a shuddering wreck. I imagine Dell got a kick back for putting this steaming thing on your new computer.

What do you think Ed?
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Yes and yes
Ed Bott 13th Jul
@jeremychappell

Yes, MSE is very lightweight and unobtrusive and quite effective at what it does.

And yes, I am certain McAfee pays Dell for those trials. In fact, the spiffs from software vendors might equal the total profit on the rest of the machine.
@Ed Bott: ... please ask tech support of the site to fix some strange coding issues. Obviously, you were saying "... when I've had to deal", buy "'" sign was coded wrongly.
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@Ed Bott

It is no longer a "computing platform" - it's now just an advertising platform. Whenever I hear about something being "monetized", a little bit of bile rises in my throat.
@jeremychappell
I bought a DELL Vostro 1500 many years ago, deliberately paying more for a machine from their "business" division instead of paying less for a machine from their "consumer" division. The price difference probably has to do with the fact that "business" machines, typically, come with just the OS installed (and any optional applications, i.e., MS Office) you have specified. NO crap- or shovel-ware.
@TsarNikky Except computers in the small business division tend to be much better deals now as far as hardware is concerned. Sure, the case isn't as pretty, but that's about it.
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So? User Error?
facebook@... 13th Jul
With all due respect, you may have had these same experiences with *any* AV product. In fact, if you had sufficientl knowledge and understanding of the tool to begin with, you probably would not have had an issue at all.
@facebook@... No, OEM error in investing in a product that decreases user satisfaction. I've had plenty of users over the years complain about Dell's underperforming because of all the crap. But all OEM's do this nonsense, so it's purely their fault.

How many John and Jane Doe's do you know that would have any idea how to handle these situations? That's the whole point Ed is trying to make here.
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