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Larry Dignan, Andrew Nusca and Rachel King

Alleged iPad killers 'even further behind Apple' than thought

By | June 7, 2010, 4:10am PDT

Apple CEO Steve Jobs will spend much of his time talking about the next-gen iPhone at the WWDC powwow later today, but rest assured there will be plenty of iPad chest thumping.

And why not? Apple has sold more than 2 million iPads and Jobs will probably provide another update. Meanwhile, Jobs’ keynote comes a week after the Computex conference where a bevy of tablets showed up.

Deutsche Bank analyst Chris Whitmore sums up the Computex themes:

  • Android tablets are the farthest along in terms of competing with the iPad;
  • Windows 7 tablets seem sluggish;
  • But no one can come close to touching the iPad.

In fact, Whitmore sees a bit of clear sailing for the iPad. For starters, netbooks are about to get crushed by ultra-portables as well as tablets. And then there’s the state of competition. Whitmore said the Dell Streak was responsive and fast, but it’s not really in the iPad category with half the screen size.

More WWDC and iPad news:

    Whitmore writes:

    Looking ahead, we expect a rash of tablets to enter the market in 4Q in time for the holiday selling season, with more models launching in 2011. Most of the units at the show were prototypes and not available for consumption or ready for market. For example, Intel had a host of products on display at its booth enclosed in plastic and unavailable for testing. Microsoft had several prototypes on display and one working prototype that we tried (Win 7). We found the UI to be very slow, lack responsiveness and difficult to use. Meanwhile, the highly publicized Asus Eee Pad that we tested (Tegra + Windows Embedded Compact 7) is clearly not ready for prime time…

    We found the Android solutions to be further ahead from a design/development standpoint. At the Qualcomm booth, we tested the Dell Streak. We found this device surprisingly usable, fast and responsive. However, in aggregate, nothing we saw could ‘touch’ the iPad from either a user experience or ecosystem standpoint. If anything, the competition is even further behind Apple in this category that we thought.

    Why are these rivals behind on the iPad? It appears that Apple caught them by surprise. While the focus was on netbooks, companies apparently underestimated the iPad. Now if looks like Apple may have a full year head start in the tablet market.

    ZDNet’s John Morris hits a similar theme. Writing about Computex, Morris says:

    This year was supposed to be the year of the tablet, but it hasn’t really turned out that way. That’s not to say tablets aren’t a big presence here in Taiwan. There’s certainly lots of talk of tablets and in fact there are plenty of tablets, but nearly all of them are prototypes. In many cases, these tablets don’t even boot up-they’re just slabs sitting safely behind glass. Real tablets that you can actually touch and try out are few and far between.

    Many people at the show attribute this to the iPad effect. Major PC and consumer electronics companies were preparing to release tablets earlier this year, but Apple’s iPad forced them to go back to the drawing board.

    While the iPhone is likely to be the focus on WWDC, don’t be surprised if the iPad steals the show.

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    RE: Alleged iPad killers 'even further behind Apple' than thought
    tomlin21-24319035676893835085146735905770 11th Oct
    I can not say I concur with a number of stuff you have claimed best right here, although not mulberry bag lower than you wrote it very well, in contrast to many crappy bloggers in existence!
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    Whitmore or less
    guihombre 7th Jun 2010
    My guess is, iPad won't go much past the core Apple fanbase, the biggest sellers in the peripherals market for the iPad will be a keyboard, mouse/trackpad, and a vertical viewing/charging stand. i.e. buyers will want something to type on so the screen doesn't get covered in their fingerprints, and a something to hold it upright so they can view it.

    I reckon the netbook IS the ultraportable market, they are one and the same market.

    I reckon the big thing will be smartphones eating into the low end netbook sales. Most likely Android.

    Our weekend visitor had an iPhone, since she'd forgotten her camera. The pictures were awful, dark, needed a flash, needed zoom. Unusable. Funny, nobody mentioned that.
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    apple fanbase
    banned from zdnet 7th Jun 2010
    @guihombre
    you mean like the ipod and the iphone before? only reaching the apple fanbase? after two million sold in less than two month? how delusional can one be. it is basically sold out in the us and the countries it is available in right now and the international rollout has only just begun.

    "Some traditional PC folks feel like their world is slipping away. It is."
    is better and the Apple stuff is junk, even in face of the numbers.
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    rtk 7th Jun 2010
    How about the propeller heads that keep screaming how everything MS is bad, despite the numbers.

    Windows 90% OS market share is a sign of how bad it is, but Apple's 80% of the music player market is a sign of how great they are. That about right?
    @rtk

    "How about the propeller heads that keep screaming how everything MS is bad, despite the numbers.

    Windows 90% OS market share is a sign of how bad it is, but Apple's 80% of the music player market is a sign of how great they are. That about right? "

    Yes but these "propeller heads" as you call them would try and make people believe that the only reason people use Windows is because the Evil Microsoft forces its software down on people and they have no choice.

    I too love the double standards when it comes to Apple. They get praised when they lock out the customers & developers by saying "That's not a problem, that's a feature and isn't a magical one?"

    Then you have the linux/open source advocates claiming that Open Sourced software will save the world solely because the software is free and you can look at the source code.

    Truth be told people and companies have a choice and MOST choose the software they use because it fulfills their needs. Any good consumer or IT department should operate that way. I know I do my best to. Sure sometimes I will choose one solution because it works better in my environment over another even though there is a cost involved or it costs more than another solution and if they want to call that being "forced" then so be it.
    @banned from zdnet @rtk: Ummm... look again, Microsoft's numbers are slipping--and falling faster every year. Depending on whether you monitor enterprise advertisers or consumer advertisers, Apple is somewhere between 13%-20% installed base compared to a mere 4% 30 months ago.

    Microsoft's world really is slipping away.
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    Easy to tell those that never used an iPad
    dave95. Updated - 7th Jun 2010
    @guihombre

    You think it needs a mouse? A trackpad? I understand a vertical viewing stand, and some may feel they need a keyboard every once in a while for extensive typing - but why do you think it needs a mouse/trackpad? That sounds crazy. Unless Apple wants consumers to think of the iPad as a netbook that requires a keyboard and mouse for use, which I doubt. It's a multi-touch driven and consumption device/appliance first, not a mouse driven traditional PC.

    The iPad is in a different category from the netbook. It's actually in a category all to itself right now. It's not your traditional PC Tablets MS partners been trying to sell to consumers for decades and it's not in the netbook space either. This is probably why it's taking competitors this long to come out with a viable answer, they just don't get it, yet. An Android Tablet may be the best alternative to the iPad but it still have ways to go, and Google's official support. Think they're still trying to figure how to push Chrome OS down our throats. There is still lots of UI problems that's been ignored by Google. Still not as smooth when scrolling, horrid media player, copy & paste not as good. It's just not as user friendly yet.
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    Fingerprints
    guihombre 7th Jun 2010
    @dave95. "but why do you think it needs a mouse/trackpad"

    For the fingerprints on the screen. I notice iPhone users rub the screen against their clothes. I don't think that's practical for the iPad, and if you have some sort of fixed base for the iPad (like the screen/charger stand), then I reckon they'd have a trackpad or mouse too. I think it's actually quite rare you use multitouch (zoom mainly) and for most clicks the mouse is fine.

    "The iPad is in a different category from the netbook."
    I think it's novelty value. Currently I think it's selling to people who think it fits their internet surfing needs, but when actually in use, they find looking down to be a pain/holding it up constantly is a pain/typing on it one handed while holding it in the other hand, is a pain....

    I think it's selling against a mental image that differs from the actual product.

    Chrome OS, I reckon is a non starter, a bunch of coders without a designer or clear idea.

    Android is much better, and the reworking of it by HTC and Sony Ericsson better still. So that's where I think the real market is.
    @dave95.
    actually, video games need a mouse or a trackball. That alone will make it one of the most popular addition to the iPad. I totally agree that Android and Chrome are a no go. However, I have an Window 7 Touchsmart that I am quite happy with, although its response time is not quite that of the iPad, I can do a lot more things with it.
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    Don't get your argument...
    dave95. 7th Jun 2010
    @guihombre

    You complain about the iPad and its touch screen (people don't want fingerprints on screen), yet you say the Android alternative will be best? The best Android alternative phones out now are clones of the iPhone, with the same multi-touch driven OS. So their tablets may have the same suppose user problems you're complaining about (which imo is not a major issue).

    The iPad right now is enjoying a mind blowing 91 percent satisfaction rating from users, and not just from Apple fanbase either. People don't just spend over $500 on a device without knowing what they're getting. It's not a perfect device but what device is?
    http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/04/report-50-percent-of-ipad-owners-use-windows.ars
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    @dave95.
    "yet you say the Android alternative will be best? The best Android alternative phones out now are clones of the iPhone,"

    Well no, they've surpassed the iPhone, the Evo 4G already does HD and 4G, already has a front and back camera and new stuff like Goggles (and Skype on 4G or Wifi). The new iPhone doesn't catch up yet.
    The tradeoff is small size vs merged screen-keyboard and that tradeoff works in the smartphone market. iPad is just too big to be portable and the merged screen-keyboard doesn't work as a home computer because of the eyes-forwards, finger-dangle-down problem.

    91% satisfaction rating? Part of the hype I think, these are early fanboy adopters, so 91% is the lowest score I'd expect.
    @guihombre, you should be careful. Your opinion-based anti-Apple rhetoric smacks of subconscious panic, as if you're afraid all the positive press around the iPad might be justified. So you "reckon" that, the current facts notwithstanding, your *opinion* about the future is somehow so much more valid that everyone here should be subjected to it?

    Everyone's entitle to his/her own opinion, to be sure. And you can even express it whenever you want. Just remember what our 16th president said: "It is better to be thought of a fool than to open your mouth [okay, stretch the application a bit] and remove all doubt."

    We don't really care about your opinion. What *evidence* do you have that the iPad is (or is about to be) hitting a wall? Conjecture of your variety is more than unimpressive--it's juvenile. I'm hoping you can "raise your game," so to speak.
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    iPad is a Glorified & Resurrected Archos DMD!
    i2fun@... Updated - 9th Jun 2010
    @dave95. Way before iPod was even capable of playing anything other than music, Archos has a touch screen device in 2002 that could play music, videos and surf the web via it's built-in Wifi!

    So challenged by the growth of DMD's, Apple had to enable video playback too. It took iPod till 2007/2008 to be able to surf even. Then it's clear, that they merely pumped the iPod Touch up with air into an iPad! ....nice idea, but far from brilliant. Especially considering that they ripped the whole idea off the Archos years ago!!!

    Now @guihombre ....well ah..... chucks gee willakurs..... ya all shouldn't be talking about Open Source if your head is only held on with baling wire and like the head of a Cabbage Patch doll.

    Seriously..... you need to get edjumacated. Today Open Source is a money making venture. Don't believe me? ....ask Google and IBM how much they make off of Open Source products. Well not directly, but you would be hard pressed to find a developer working for nothing in IBM or Google. Even Microsoft has Open Source Developers along with Apple. In fact Webkit has it's roots in KDE's Konqueror web browser KHTML, protocols and Tool set. It's now not only powers Safari, but Opera and Chrome among many others. If the Open Source community hadn't demanded Apple contribute back into the Webkit Project, they would have lost the entire Open Source community of developers for their other projects as well. In other words Apple would have been up a shizt creek without a paddle.

    The reality is that even Google just realized this in caving to demands that they truly make VP8 license Open Source Free. Now that's been done. So this is why you may hear Apple threatening to attack VP8, but if they do, they'd lose community developer support and they are afterall built on the FreeBSD License themselves with OS-X and a whole lot of other things. Including OpenGL!!!! ....so you can reckon all you want, but I reckon you're dead wrong!!!

    iPad Competition in the form of Win 7 10" touch screen device w/camera Wifi and 3G module installed. 250gig Hard 2.5 drive 2gig memory Intel Atom N450+NM10 processor, 667MHz FBS, NM10 chipset !
    customer price: $671.65 complete

    Jumper JK01-TT Tablet PC Package Contains:
    1x Jumper JK01-TT Tablet PC
    1x Wireless Keyboard
    1x Wireless Optical Mouse
    1x Leather Case/Stand
    1x Power Adapter
    1x Manual
    ... and it will, overpriced junk like iFad will see its sale running straight into a wall. By then customers, assuming there are still any, will only shop the ones that have the best bang for the buck, that's forever Windows-based laptops / netbooks / tablets.
    @LBiege
    Which have been out for over a decade now, and have yet to make a noticeable impression on the market. You were saying?
    @LBiege: Where is your evidence? Market metrics? Anything? Or is this just another case of a paranoid anti-Apple MS shill spouting the typical (and increasingly frightened) FUD?
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    @LBiege: ... yet Apple's computer sales growth never fell into the negative numbers and consistently ran 17% to 35% higher than any other computer brand or type except the netbook. That's right, more people were buying Apple's computers by percentage than they were any other brand. Even HP, at #1 in sales, saw only 5% growth during that time while Apple consistently saw at least 17%. And when you consider that Apple is in the top five for computer sales, these numbers could soon mean that Apple will start passing those other brands.

    The ones who stopped or slowed buying were the ones using Windows. Even Linux grew during this time.
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    @LBiege

    Don't you hate it when reality comes crashing down in front of you?
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    @guihombre

    It always shocks me the level of conceit that goes into posts about what the writer "reckons." Especially when that reckoning has ABSOLUTELY NO FACTUAL FOUNDATION WHATSOEVER!
    Not one SINGLE piece of data to support your belief.

    Mouse trackpad? Not only do you have no numbers to support ANY of your contentions about the peripheral market, the items you post are absurd. A standard mouse makes NO sense in the context of a touch interface. In fact, if you look at the existing peripheral market, there are already hundreds of products. Of these, how may are mice? (Here's a hint: you can count them on one finger (and that finger is NOT outstretched.))

    Fingerprints:
    You don't get to rail against fingerprints at the same time as championing Android devices. Are you claiming they are somehow magically immune?
    Fingerprints are a fact of life for ANY touch interface. Big deal. Cherry pick much?

    "I reckon the netbook IS the ultraportable market, they are one and the same market."

    You don't get to define already existing terms. Ignorant much? Netbooks are NOT ultraportables. The term already exists, and they do NOT include netbooks.

    "I reckon the big thing will be smartphones eating into the low end netbook sales. Most likely Android."

    Again, no one cares what you reckon. Especially as there is already data. Data that do NOT back up your assertion.

    "The pictures were awful, dark, needed a flash, needed zoom. Unusable. Funny, nobody mentioned that."

    Funny? Maybe no one mentioned it because it was IRRELEVANT? Your visitors incompetence included, many people are very happy with the camera in their iPhone. See, I can use anecdotal information too.

    "... if you have some sort of fixed base for the iPad (like the screen/charger stand), then I reckon they'd have a trackpad or mouse too."

    Thanks for making you total ignorance that much more apparent. Having a fixed base will have no affect on how the GUI interacts with the user. In multitouch systems built from the ground up for touch interfaces, mice are counter productive.

    "I think it's actually quite rare you use multitouch (zoom mainly) and for most clicks the mouse is fine."

    And thank you for verifying it. Multitouch has nothing to do with it. A touch interface like that on the iPad is different fundamentally from mouse input GUIs. Multitouch notwithstanding.

    "Currently I think it's selling to people who think it fits their internet surfing needs, but when actually in use, they find looking down to be a pain/holding it up constantly is a pain/typing on it one handed while holding it in the other hand, is a pain...."

    No one cares what you think (apparently you included.) There is data to rely on, and the user satisfaction surveys do NOT bear out your "reckoning."

    "I think it's selling against a mental image that differs from the actual product."

    Again, no one cares, and the data show you are wrong.

    "Chrome OS, I reckon is a non starter, a bunch of coders without a designer or clear idea."

    Wow, you don't know crap about Google, either. The idea that because it is open source it has no "designer or clear idea" just highlights how great your ignorance is in even more than just the iPad.

    @hanneilli
    "actually, video games need a mouse or a trackball."

    Um, actually, no they don't. Please name a SINGLE game on the iPhone/iPad platform that "needs" a mouse.

    "... these are early fanboy adopters, so 91% is the lowest score I'd expect."

    Again with your baseless thoughts. Again, there is DATA out there, and it does not back up your assertions. The majority of iPad purchasers sync with iTunes for WINDOWS.
    @DeusExMachina, if I'd gotten this far in the responses to guihombre's remarks, I'd have saved my typing in my own response. Mine was not nearly as exhaustive as yours... I think I lost patience with his posting after the third "I think/reckon." Kudos for sticking it out for the rest of us!
    @guihombre

    I would have to agree with most of this. My sister, whom is a regular college grad student, was given an iPad from her school. She doesn't use it. Instead, when her computer died, she went out and bought a netbook. It makes sense. She needed something that could print, use office products, quickly take motes during class, and browse the web. While some of those options are available on the iPad, that product didn't fulfill all of her needs. So, yes, she has a purple netbook that does everything she needs it to do and is small enough to be just as portable as the iPad and easier to type on.
    @guihombre With more than 2 million sold and still selling at an average of 200k/week, I think we've already gone far beyond the "core Apple fanbase." That is, unless the fanbase has grown significantly over the last couple years. Where are they now? 20% or higher? Add to this the fact that nobody is buying a mouse/trackpad for the iPad (and I do mean nobody) then your rant already invalidates itself. Meanwhile, Apple's own iPad case offers the stand you describe to hold it at an easy typing angle or upright viewing angle, depending on what you need at the moment.

    No, the netbook isn't the 'ultraportable,' when it came out, it was an underpowered, undersized device originally intended to offer some computer training and ability to the underprivileged and third-world countries. Newer 'sub-notebooks' are significantly more powerful and blow away the original netbook concept in everything except price, where they still sell for double that of any netbook.

    Meanwhile, the iPad is already eating into netbook sales and appears on track to double first-year sales of netbooks. http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/06/08/morgan.stanley.sees.ipad.already.slowing.netbooks/. Smartphones may have some effect, but it appears that tablets are going to be the big guns in this case.

    And honestly, anybody who knows anything about photography wouldn't need to be told about that. However, just for your edification, the iPhone 4 has zoom, has flash, and even offers editing capability right up front. Funny that you didn't know about that.
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    iPad isn't iPhone or Blackberry
    guihombre Updated - 7th Jun 2010
    (Was a reply to 'banned from zdnet').
    No, I think iPhone combined data + GPS + touch and that created a lot of positive feeling towards it. But it's got many shortcomings, the camera being a typical one. I think in the hype, people overlook the shortcomings.
    I don't think iPad adds enough to cause people to over look it's basic problems.

    I think the early adopters will buy a keyboard & stand because your eyes want a vertical fingerprint free screen and your hands want a horizontal surface. The 2 million sales are consistent with Apples fanbase, keep in mind netbook market is far bigger. (>30 million annually and growing).

    You can see echoes of this in the success of Blackberry (19.3% vs 10.8% iPhone market share in 2009), the tradeoff of smaller screen for tactile keyboard seems to be a wanted feature.

    So I reckon the tablets will not go anywhere. iPad included. The screen/keyboard merging is not good.

    Smartphone market, well it's difficult to compete with Google when your killer features (maps, search, Goggle etc.) are FROM Google. So Android will likely own that market.
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    The iPad isn't a computer, it's a front end.

    It's perfect for consumption, and can do light duty for basic apps, and is a pretty darn good thin client imho. If you want a full on computer, then the iPad isn't it.

    Mind you, it's early days yet, and it's not entirely sure what Apple will do with it, and how it will change over time. Maybe it'll turn into a computer, maybe it'll fail even, maybe it's "the thing" for its own niche.
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    Interesting...and silly
    frabjous Updated - 7th Jun 2010
    @guihombre and others that look at Version 1 of ANY new product line and dismiss it as not being the perfect, ultimate expression of a concept only make themselves look silly. Meanwhile, Apple can't make iPads fast enough, has had to slow introduction internationally until supply catches up--and their market capitalization, which passed Microsoft, is now second only to Exxon-Mobile in the US. Yup, I reckon they are a real niche player, all right.

    If you can stretch just a bit, check out www.apple.com/ipad/business/ to see why the iPad is already moving rapidly into the Enterprise market--and the federal requirement for everybody in the medical business to go digital will only accelerate that trend.
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    @Version 1
    guihombre Updated - 7th Jun 2010
    Well no, I am suggesting that version 2, 3,4,... that platform has no future that tweaking cannot fix. Ultimately if it's portable it needs to be portable, if it's not portable, there is no benefit is merging the screen and keyboard and putting a smallish screen on it.

    As to Apple selling them faster than they can make them, similar hype over the iPhone, but the Blackberry has 3% of 2009 market and Apple 2%*. Apparently not good enough to beat Blackberry. Perhaps it say more about Apple's manufactruring incompetence? I think not, more likely it was rushed out the door early and was planned to be released today.

    * Note these % are of all handsets, just shows you that there is potential there, Smartphone's not a mature market yet.
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    @guihombre

    More with your conceited "making stuff up."

    "But it's got many shortcomings, the camera being a typical one."

    Please look up the word "typical" in the dictionary. It does not mean what you appear to think it means.

    "I don't think iPad adds enough to cause people to over look it's basic problems."

    Sales data show you are wrong. Period.

    "The 2 million sales are consistent with Apples fanbase, keep in mind netbook market is far bigger. (>30 million annually and growing)."

    Um, no. The sales data for this quarter do NOT show the netbook market is growing. In fact, it shows it has actually stagnated. Interesting that this change corresponds almost exactly with the release of the iPad. Hmm... .

    "the tradeoff of smaller screen for tactile keyboard seems to be a wanted feature."

    Your previously quoted sales numbers are not germane, and your rationale as to why is demonstrably false.

    "well it's difficult to compete with Google when your killer features (maps, search, Goggle etc.) are FROM Google."

    First, who claimed those were the killer features. Second, why are you assuming that Google apps on android will be significantly different than Google apps on iPhoneOS? Google's goal is not to have Android conquer the world (they are not MS.) They do not even expect to make money off it directly. Their goal is to leverage a Google presence into paid, sponsored links. They can do this on any platform, not just Android and Chrome, and they do.
    @guihombre, there you go with all that reckoning again. Be careful, you might get carpal tunnel.

    Sorry, I couldn't resist. :-P
    I believe that we are witnessing a paradox shift in IT. I do not own a iPad but I have maintained that it is something that the majority of mobile users will see a benefit.

    Lets face it, PC's came along when price allowed the man in the street to buy into technology. Now the tech is available to consolidate your news, email, internet, iBooks, social networking, etc.

    The iPad may be lacking in some key I/O necessities, but it is the future in mainstream mobility. Wait for video conferencing across tablets, better connectivity to peripherals and voice recognition, and you will be hard pressed for a need for traditional PC computing. Don't get me wrong, notebooks and PC's will be around for some time, but already the next generation of computer users have embraced mobile phones and will continue to the tablet / iPad.

    I only hope that the other contenders get their act together quickly, so that we are not tied into only one service provider. Most of us know where that will lead..
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    To Smartphones?
    guihombre 7th Jun 2010
    Seems to me the shift is to smartphones not tablets. Of the new computers bought among my various colleagues, we have 1 iPad, and 3 smartphones (all Android). The iPad user no longer brings it to work, and uses his normal computer mostly at home, so it doesn't fit so well into his life.

    I have an iPod touch for mobile browsing, but iTunes, Bonjour, DNSResponder Quick time upgraded, etc. all the crud Apple requires on PCs are a real turn off for me, plus their heavy handed control of Apps, mean and I won't be following Apple in my upgrade path.

    Paradigm shift maybe.
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    Not just smart phones
    dave95. Updated - 7th Jun 2010
    @guihombre

    Do you feel your viewpoint on Apple represents the mass majority that will be buying up the iPad? I think smart phones will continue to sell well and change the market, but devices like the iPad will be right behind it. It's running the same OS afterall.
    @guihombre

    What crud is it that you are claiming Apple "requires" on PCs?!?
    @guihombre
    It depends on who the device is for and may not want it in a phone. People like the elderly might have a harder time with a smartphone over an iPad due to their eyesight and their dexterity.

    I think there's a market segment for both.
    @MovingOn.Pmb

    Not sure if you work in IT but most companies view IT as a necessary evil. IT will not be approving of these kind of devices unless these companies are willing to open up their pocketbooks.
    @Yax_to_the_Max: And apparently they are, since iPads are already seen in a number of business settings, including broadcast television.

    Google "iPad Albany Georgia"
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    I think if ASUS can release theirs
    Cylon Centurion 7th Jun 2010
    Apple will go back to the drawing board. He we'll have a powerful tablet capable of running a full sized desktop OS, with the battery life of the iPad. Now that is a winner.
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    Unlikely
    guihombre 7th Jun 2010
    Trouble with Windows 7 is its a desktop system with touch grafted on. This is why I'm betting on Android being the winner there because it's aimed at the touchscreen first.

    There's also the power consumption aspect, Android runs on ARM units and Win7 doesn't. So whatever is claimed for Win 7, the reality will likely be far shorter battery life, than their smartphone counterparts.
    @NStalnecker

    Now those look interesting...
    @guihombre

    "Trouble with Windows 7 is its a desktop system with touch grafted on. This is why I'm betting on Android being the winner there because it's aimed at the touchscreen first."

    Quick Question? Have you ever used Win7 and its touch UI? Maybe I am going by the reception I get from my teachers using Win7 tablets but they all seem to like it very much. Maybe take one of those HP touchsmart PCs for a spin. There are ways to enhance the Windows OS when it comes to using touch as the primary source of input and HP does it well.

    I know the iPad is a niche product and some call it a laptop companion or a front end device but at $500+ some have complained that they expected more. I made this comment on other articles relating to the iPad but I have a few teachers and members of the Administrative staff where I work that have an iPad and quite frequently they put the iPad down to take out their full laptop because the iPad does not offer everything. Now not only do they carry their laptop to meetings they carry the iPad and EVERYTHING (related to their job) could have just been done from the laptop.

    So IMO the iPad is a toy for the people with more money than sense. They can try and market it as a business tool but I still do not see how it offers very much in that area.
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    @guihombre, one of the devices runs Windows Compact Embedded Slate Mobile Portable 7 OS (Or whatever Microsoft is calling it today). I'm betting more on that one, since they're leaving it up to developers to develop on top of the system, but the Win7 EEE Pad is something I could use in the classroom, more than my laptop....
    be? How much will they cost? How bad will a bloated Win 7 suck as the OS? Who, other than Windows propeller heads will buy them?
    @Quick Question? Have you ever used Win7 and its touch UI?

    Not a mobile W7, I have played with the HP Touch PC, but the fingerprint covered screen was a turnoff. I didn't see many people in the store keen to play with it.

    I think the whole idea of merging screen+input device fails because humans are so damn icky.

    Only when you really have no room for a keyboard can I consider it, i.e. the smartphone space.

    iPad doesn't work for me, I think they are suckers buying a dream.
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    @Donnieboy, get the **** out of here, if you had bothered to click on the link I posted, you wouldn't be asking those questions.
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    @NStalnecker
    oh please, the next vaporous concept photos. this game will never get old, will it?

    some traditional pc folks are getting so desperate right now they clutch to every vaporous straw someone is holding to them.
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    Let's see the realities, not the dreams. The reality is M$ killed the courier because they couldn't make it work at an affordable price.

    And that means building a low powered, GUI touch centric interface designed from the ground up that's not just a Win7 OS band-aided and grafted on to a plate glass screen.

    They obviously don't have the stomach for it so they wind up losing whatever talented people they had like J Allard.

    That's the reality.
    @NStalnecker : After all, Windows tablets have been out for over ten years!
    @NStalnecker

    "one of the devices runs Windows Compact Embedded Slate Mobile Portable 7 OS (Or whatever Microsoft is calling it today). I'm betting more on that one, since they're leaving it up to developers to develop on top of the system, but the Win7 EEE Pad is something I could use in the classroom, more than my laptop.... "

    I agree. I have a handful of teachers using Win7 tablet PCs and they love them as they connect wirelessly to the projector in their room and can access files on any network share on our network and run ANY application that runs under Windows. They are of course heavier than the iPad and the battery life is more in the neighborhood of 6 hours but they pretty much plug it in between class periods and it gets a full charge in their planning period and lunch. They also have a spare battery.

    If a device in the $400 - $500 can provide full Windows OS functionality and be lighter and offer more battery then I think my teachers would be all for it and maybe we can provide more units to other teachers.

    So far, outside of a select few, the iPad has been deemed useless in the classroom for the most part because teachers would still have to go back to their classroom computer to teach effectively.
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    I agree
    Cylon Centurion 7th Jun 2010
    @bobiroc, each time I have picked one up to play with, I leave with the impression that the iPad is something to have on the coffee table rather than a work environment. Some of the apps are nice, but where are the tools needed to get my tasks done?

    I too, have a netvertible that sound similar to the ones you are testing out, and I would LOVE to have a tablet that I could use to run Office 10, Firefox, Google Earth, etc., and provide networking functionality, that "supposedly" gets 10 hour battery life. That is indeed something I could use in the classroom and elsewhere for that matter.
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    @bobiroc @NStainecker: Exactly what functions do you need on a mobile device? What tools do you feel are absolutely essential that you have to have a full version of Windows, with all the overhead that entails?

    I won't deny there are some early limitations in the iPad, but it is surprisingly capable as a productivity device, as long as you're not trying to use it as a desktop.

    Just so you know, Google Earth, networking, even Chrome browser is available for the iPad already. And there's more than one way to view and edit Office documents available as well.
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