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Larry Dignan, Andrew Nusca and Rachel King

Apple can't seriously be "very happy" with AT&T relationship

By | July 22, 2009, 3:00am PDT

Summary: If you’re Apple and you sell 5.2 million iPhones in the third quarter, then you’re probably feeling just fine about that exclusive carrier agreement that you have with AT&T in the U.S. After all, look at the numbers. Apple beats Wall Street again - even in the midst of one of the worst economic periods [...]

If you’re Apple and you sell 5.2 million iPhones in the third quarter, then you’re probably feeling just fine about that exclusive carrier agreement that you have with AT&T in the U.S. After all, look at the numbers. Apple beats Wall Street again - even in the midst of one of the worst economic periods in generations. And much of the company’s success points right at the iPhone.

But what if you’re not Apple and instead are a customer or potential customer. There are plenty of iPhone owners who comment on these blog posts about their dissatisfaction with the AT&T service. There are plenty of others - myself included - who go on and on about how we would buy an iPhone in a heartbeat if it were offered through another carrier (Verizon being the first choice.)

Also see: AT&T: The iPhone’s anchor

The noise has become so loud that even Washington is looking into carrier exclusivity agreements, making it hard to believe that anyone - especially execs at Apple HQ - is unaware of this problem. And yet, on yesterday’s earnings call, COO Tim Cook replied to a question about the status of the exclusive AT&T relationship by saying:

I think it’s an excellent relationship and we’re very happy with it.

Excellent? Really, Tim? And you’re very happy? Very? Isn’t that a bit over the top?

OK, from the sales perspective, maybe it is an excellent relationship and you are very happy with it. But from a PR and customer satisfaction perspective, you can’t tell me that it’s an excellent relationship. If customer satisfaction is suffering because of the relationship (which it is), then the relationship isn’t excellent - especially for a company that puts customer satisfaction as a high priority.

With all of that said, I never expected to hear Tim Cook cough up an answer like: “It sucks and we can’t wait to get out of it either.” Nor did I expect him give up too much information with an answer like: “We have put AT&T on notice in regard to the service and are reviewing our carrier options.” I would have been shocked if he had given up any sort of detail about the Apple-AT&T partnership on an earnings conference call.

But something about the answer he did give was, I don’t know… too upbeat and kind of oblivious to a problem that actually does exist with AT&T.  You don’t have to go into great detail about it and you certainly don’t have to bad-mouth a partner, but at least acknowledge the service issues.

Apple had a good day yesterday - and for good reason. They make products that are so good that consumers are willing to pay a premium price to have one - even in this economy. But I also hope they come away from this recognizing that the AT&T partnership is a problem and it needs to be addressed. You don’t have to acknowledge it or go into great detail about it - but don’t insult our intelligence by telling us that it’s an “excellent” relationship.

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RE: Apple can't seriously be
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Sure it's a great relationship!
hickum 22nd Jul 2009
Apple makes LOTS of money from it. And they know the customer base separates the carrier from the phone maker in their case. Who actually blames Apple for problems with AT&T?

From a corporate standpoint, it's near-perfect. Apple gets the kudos (and $$$) and AT&T is the whipping boy for problems. Apple fans don't blame Apple for any issues, so what's not to like from Apple management?

As long as AT&T ponies up, why get less net revenue per phone by going non-exclusive? Apple already successfully follows the model of selling fewer units at premium prices. Why go against this hugely profitable philosophy?

And they'd have to build a CDMA version too, if they want to really promote competition. Until T-Mobile builds out their data network to a much higher extent, I wouldn't consider them a viable alternative (though I must admit millions of Apple-oids did buy expensive phones that didn't have 3G, so admittedly that may not be much of a barrier.)

The day iPhone sales slow dramatically is the day Apple considers going non-exclusive (when AT&T's kickback no longer compensates for the narrowed market by being exclusive.)
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What?
erikswanson 22nd Jul 2009
So, Apple is happy, and Apple's customers are happy...am I missing something? If you want a verizon phone so bad, go buy one. Enjoy having your emails and IMs treated as text messages, enjoy paying outrageous prices for ringtones and "services" that do nothing. Verizon wants nothing to do with the Iphone, and Apple (thankfully) want nothing to do with Verizon's horrible nickel and diming.

The device is the killer app. AT&T is fine. Who's complaining?
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AT$T BLOWS
terryzx Updated - 22nd Jul 2009
I just bought a new Blackberry Tour. I want an iPhone badly, but I will
NEVER go and beg AT$T to bend me over as they do to the others who
are too dumb to see that AT$T can do whatever they want since Apple
fan boys will jump on anything Apple produces even though the
carrier is ripping them off badly.

Verizon is working PERFECTLY with my new Blackberry and they do
NOT have it set where you can only use Verizon applications. NONE of
their smart phones have that VZW interface. You can do whatever you
want with a Blackberry and just love it. In fact I like mine so much now,
that I can easily just wait for the iPhone for however long it takes until
it come to Verizon...and THEN and only then will I get my iPhone on
day 1.
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Who's complaining?
Fark 22nd Jul 2009
I live in the NY city area, and all I hear from my friends is, "The phone is cool, but oh my god - AT&T sucks."

Maybe it's regional to a city, but here in NY, AT&T is getting the lions share of ire on the iPhone front. All of my buddys say they would switch to Verizon is they could.

AT&T is just not that great in some cities.
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You're paying for them?
Morely 22nd Jul 2009
You actually pay for ringtones? I'm a Verizon
customer, and I don't. I make my own. There are
lots of free applications to make your own, and
free software to get them on the phone without
sending them over the air.

And as for who's complaining, I hear lots of
complaints about AT&T's network, and most of
them are from iPhone users. The AT&T
infrastructure simply isn't robust enough to
handle the traffic created by their iPhone
users. Much as I dislike Verizon (my carrier), I
absolutely *despise* AT&T; their exclusive deal
with Apple is the deal-breaker for me - I have
an LG phone now, and will probably be getting an
HTC Hero, because I'd rather have no cell phone
at all than use AT&T.
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baffling
erikswanson 22nd Jul 2009
"If customer satisfaction is suffering because of the relationship (which it is), then the relationship isn?t excellent."

Do you know ANYONE who is giving up their iphone? Anywhere?
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Why not? Verizon is not much better
itguy08 22nd Jul 2009
Despite their marketing, I've used both AT&T and
Verizon. Guess which I've been on longer? AT&T.

Sure there were issues in the beginning (I'm sure
Verizon would have not fared better), but now I get the
quality service I require from AT&T.

Verizon has a brilliant marketing team. Verizon
is NOT the best. Good, yes, best, no.

If AT&T were this bad, they wouldn't have been #1 before
the iPhone, after the iPhone, and only after Verizon
bought Alltel are now #2.
I'm extremely happy with my iPhone and AT&T service. So
is just about everybody I know who has the service and
devices.

Maybe it's the "blogosphere" once again not having a
clue about what people really think. People that are
not in their BS Elite club.
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Please.....
sandmanfvr 22nd Jul 2009
Are you serious? Visual voicemail not working, push notifications not working etc. It is in the news sites online, sorry you missed it. Just because YOU are happy, doesn't mean it is all peachy. The iPhone is adding features here and there slowly, which other smartphones and non smartphones have and peole are getting tired of feature "coming in the new iphone". This is milking the users and many are getting tired of it with MANY refusing to upgrade to new versions. Heck, AT&T rasied the prices of the plans when the 3G went on sale. Many have swtiched to the pre, blackberries or windows mobile. Read forums for carriers and smartphones, they are there! It is good you are happy, but please don't be naive to think the rest of the iPhone userbase is fine.
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None of those issues here
itguy08 22nd Jul 2009
Voicemail showing up
Push working fine
etc.

Again, I know people not in my area that are also
not having those issues as well.

Not saying some are not having issues, but other
phones/networks also have issues.
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Same here. Everything working perfectly after 1 year of using the 3G.
No More Microsoft Software Ever! 22nd Jul 2009
AT&T bill is low, service is high. Visual voicemail, email, text and IM working great. No dropped calls. Maybe I'm lucky to live in California?

I think it's just the haters that wish Windows Mobile was as good.
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RDF not extensible?
bmgoodman 22nd Jul 2009
Have we finally learned that Steve Jobs Reality Distortion Field (RDF) does not extend beyond Apple's borders? Surely you cannot blame them for trying, though. I'm sure some segment of their loyal fans will hear and believe.

In the real world, rather the real United States, there are no great cellular carriers. Period.

Verizon has a very good network (in more populated areas), but they try to control/manipulate you more than the others (disabling phone features, erroneous billing, and plenty of extra little charges). Then there's the CDMA that is as useful as a brick in most other countries. (Sure, you can spend extra for a combo "world" phone.)

AT&T, if you look at most recent surveys, has pretty poor service. Dropped calls. Lying "bars" that show you have service until you actually try to make a call. But they do seem to do billing correctly. And they let you use most of your phones features without trying to squeeze extra money out of you.

Sprint? T-Mobile? Eh, I'd say they're somewhere between the two extremes.

The real problem is that there just is not enough competition in the U.S. I've used cell phones in some third world countries and been surprised at the features, the low prices, and the good service.
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RE: Apple can't seriously be
Keonidas 22nd Jul 2009
I don't see that data that people are dumping their iPhones
because of the dissatisfaction of the service that AT&T is
providing. I have dropped calls while using my phone. I know
other people who have dropped calls with Verizon. It just
doesn't happen as frequent as it used to be. How can
you think that Apple is milking their customers with adding
new features when the vast majority of the features are given
away FREE? Provide the facts where "many" people have
switched to the other platforms.
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I'm very happy
sbalun 22nd Jul 2009
with AT&T service here in Atlanta and with my iphone.
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I'm Happy too
kpzdnet@... 23rd Jul 2009
Have had an I phone over 2 years and I have been quite happy with AT&T service here in So Cal.
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Verizon is not God
jwillum 22nd Jul 2009
I get so amused by these so-called experts that write columns that blast one carrier or another because of a perceived service problem. Maybe Verizon works better than AT&T where you live -- good for you. Where I live, it is the opposite. Try using a Verizon Wireless phone in my house and you will be looking at one bar, if you are lucky. My in-laws just moved to a lake house in eastern Tennessee and the ONLY carrier that works out there is Sprint. If you lived there, I guess you would think they were the only carrier worth anything.

I have had had Verizon in the past and had no problems but they would be of little use to me where I am now. Please quit believing that the whole world works like it does in your neighborhood.
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Verizon in the rear view mirror
IT_User 22nd Jul 2009
Best place for it. And don't look back.

A very happy ex-Verizon customer.
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Where did you go?
Falchion14 22nd Jul 2009
Who is your current cell phone service provider? Why are you happier with them then Verizon?

I'm curious as an annoyed Verizon customer.
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Objectivity and a paycheck
Anita Y. Mathis 22nd Jul 2009
I believe AT&T has more loyal employees than loyal customers.
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"Loyal Customer"
xXSpeedzXx 22nd Jul 2009
Never heard of such a thing. First I know of very few companies that treat "Loyal Customers" well. Most companies offer great incentives to new customers, but then F*ck loyal customers over a barrel. (I am not just talking cell carriers here either). I have watched costs go up on various service bills I have, and went to their sites and seen better pricing, but when pushed get told that pricing is for new customers only, especially when the company is a monopoly in an area. I have dropped several companies due those kinds of shenanigans.

The only recent ones I can come up with are Auto insurance. So far in the last 3 years I have changed insurance companies at least 5 times. I was a loyal customer to Allstate for several years, as they were the best price I could get, then one year I was able to save 600 per year by switching to Progressive. The following that I went to E-surance, and now I am back to Progressive. And in each case everytime I went to a new company I received a better rate than the company before, and the company I was with wanted to raise their rate. When asked why I was switching companies, I flat out told them, you want a loyal customer, give me the incentive to be one, by keeping the rate I can get for the coverage I need competitive. If I can save $100+ per year for switching for the exact same coverage I will take my leave.

Now admittedly cell companies are not this bad. Most will let you switch to a better plan at any time. Although I do remember one cell company I was with about 10 years ago, for a while wouldn't let you change plans without a new contract, but I don't think that is the case anymore, well come to think of it I think ATT bought them out about a year ago.
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Perceived Advantage only
ncted 22nd Jul 2009
The real question is what would Verizon be like with millions of iPhones on it? I stuck with AT&T when I switched from iPhone to BB Bold. It has been just fine to me, and it still sounds better than my wife's Verizon phone when, you know, actually talking on the phone. I think the Verizon advantage is mostly perception, and that will likely change once the get the iPhone.
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I "perceive" something too...
corymcnutt 22nd Jul 2009
The iPhone is a top quality phone; what phone is your wife using on Verizon? Probably not a highend Blackberry, where the sound would be awesome. You must compare Apples (sorry about the pun) with Apples. Verizon's network is not perceive as being better in the Pittsburgh area...it is better than AT&T. One place I worked used AT&T and my brother has AT&T and calls are constantly dropped, and I mean several on a daily basis. We never have that trouble with Verizon. If the iPhone 3Gs came to Verizon, I and many others, would grab it. I love BB, but until the Storm 2 comes out, there is nothing to compare to the iPhone.
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How do you know Verizon is better?
itguy08 23rd Jul 2009
Take their word for it?
30 day test drive on both networks with actual
calls (vs "bars")?

Tell us how you know Verizon is better!
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Opinions are like?
matthew_maurice 22nd Jul 2009
Everyone has one.

Mine is that Tim Cook is a good diplomat, but a poor liar.
The exclusive arrangement with AT&T hasn't stopped the
iPhone's success, but a deal with Verizon probably would
have been more successful. The fact that Apple went to
Verizon first speaks volumes. I doubt that I'm alone in that
although I bought an iPhone 3G as soon as it was available
(and closed my "out of contract" VZW account) I've passed
on a 3GS until I see better airlink performance from AT&T
or an EV-DO version available. In fact, if one was
announced tomorrow, I'd pay the ETF to get it.
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Remember how it started?
Ken_z 22nd Jul 2009
Only ATT was interested in working with Apple because
Apple changed the rules of the game.

Apple dictated the terms, and required ATT to bring in
new technology (like visual voicemail that I use all the
time). Who was it that turned Apple down flat before
Apple got with ATT?

So ATT took the gamble and it paid off very well for them.
They made the investment and will continue to do so -
they want to keep that business.

So, before people complain too much all they need to do
is look at their favorite carrier and ask THEM why they
didn't go after the iPhone business before ATT made the
deal.

So ATT took a gamble on Apple.
And Apple took a gamble on ATT.

And guess what - they won.
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Risk taking
oncall 22nd Jul 2009
Apple and AT&T took risks, and are changing the game. Folks want to be pissed at someone? Be pissed at Verizon, they took the path of safety. They didn't want to give up any control, hardly progressive or consumer friendly wouldn't you say?
I'm sure AT&T does things like:

- Pay Apple correctly and on time
- Deliver their contractually-obligated levels of service delivery in terms of customers (in aggregate) and back-end data services
- Participate as they should in the supply chain to get units into retail stores

etc., etc., etc.

The customer service problem really is AT&T's problem. Consumers and the media seem to be in consensus about that. For the relationship that the iPhone exclusivity contract defines, I don't doubt that Cook thinks it's excellent.

I also don't doubt that he has other excellent relationships in the works with other carriers.
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RE: Apple can't seriously be
Steve Webb 22nd Jul 2009
1) Apple got a much better deal from AT&T than they would have gotten from Verizon.

2) Consumers would be even less happy if Apple had agreed to Verizon's terms and built the iPhone that Verizon envisioned.

Can you hear me now? Good!
"Postpaid churn was 1.09 percent, down from 1.2 percent
in the first quarter. Total churn was 1.49 percent, down
from 1.64 percent a year ago."

That's very good and churn is a good gauge of
satisfaction.
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Re: Earnings = satisfaction?
eaganj 23rd Jul 2009
Or, it just means people don't want to lose the functionality of their iPhones and AT&T is the only game in town. It says to me that there are only a small number of customers that are willing to sacrifice their iPhones because they are *that* dissatisfied with AT&T.
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RE: Apple can't seriously be
nelley9872 23rd Jul 2009
Had verizon, got an iPhone, love my iPhone, but would switch back to verizon in a heartbeat.
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Switch Back?
ManoaHI 24th Jul 2009
@nelley9872,

If the iPhone gets released on Verizon, you would have to buy a new
phone, you cannot simply switch back. The current iPhone is GSM and
only works on GSM networks. Verizon is CDMA, so you would need an
entirely new iPhone. Unless of course you wait until LTE or if by some
bizarre set of circumstances, Verizon changes to GSM or supports both.
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If Verizon ever wants to get the best phones with the best Technology they need to get away from CDMA phones. The entire world is GSM except the US carriers Verizon Cricket and Sprint. Manufactures are going to keep making the coolest and most technologically advanced phones for the GSM Market because its more profitable. It also comes down to who can make the phone affordable. Verizon is not willing to subsidize their phones as much as ATT. Would you prefer to pay the actual $699 for an Iphone on Verizon or $199 for a subsidized phone with a two year contract on att. People in the US are not willing to pay full price for a cell phone!! Go away congress before we loose our phone subsidies and then we will all be paying full price for all phones on all carriers!!
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Here in Denmark we have four carriers all of whom use GSM and 3G. At present three of these carriers sell iPhone and as a result of Danish law, they can only bind purchasers for six months - then we are free to go to another carrier. As I have just did [the new carrier is cheaper].

For sure, the US is very advanced, technologically, but in some areas the country is bizarrely backwards. Like in the use of medieval miles and feet instead of modern kilometres and metres. And like in the use of CDMA which demands you to have an extra cell phone when crossing the border - a GSM cell phone.

I have seen US commentators complain on the situation - commentators who thought it must be much worse everywhere else. But the most advanced cell phone country is Japan and Europe is next.

Why should Apple go into efforts to develop a CDMA version of the iPhone which can only be sold in a relatively little market when it sells worldwise? Would it do it for Iceland? Nay, why then in the US, a country with only 300 million people on a planet with 6,600 millions?
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That is the single best explanation I have read. Although I am English, I live in the US and it is waaaaay to easy to fall into the belief that everything should be designed for the American market.

I spent 40 years working in IT on everything from mainframes to PC's - and for the last 10 years until I stopped working full-time it was almost exclusively with PCs.

Then two years ago I got an iPhone. Thre months later I bought a Mac mini, and I am now what many people would describe as a Mac Fanboy.

The thing is, they just work. (Unless, like my wife you drop the iPhone into the toilet, but that's another story!). Of course there are occasional problems, but compared to the many PCs I've used, I repeat - they just work.

I have had bad experiences with AT&T in the past, and I mostly used Nextel and then Sprint. But living in Central PA, I really don't have many problems with connectivity, and the capabilities of both the iPhone and the Mac mini continue to amaze me. And of course I can use the iPhone overseas. Now if there could be a reduction in the ludicrous costs of international roaming my (techno) life would be complete!
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Prepaid Phone Card
rjsaenz 23rd Jul 2009
Unlock your GSM phone or iphone and use a prepaid phone card from any carrier in the country you are visiting. You can even call back to the US much cheaper than international Roaming Charges. Another reason to get rid of that CDMA phone!!
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CDMA is NOT dead
AtlPatrick 15th Aug 2009
3G as currently run by T-Mobile and AT&T (the US's GSM providers) uses "UMTS", which is a descendant of CDMA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umts). It has been modified to be better able to run jointly with GSM, but it is a CDMA technology; and I think you'll find in time that UMTS will replace GSM, just like GSM replace TDMA.
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It's all about choices...
phillyTD 21st Aug 2009
Let's face it. Apple wanted to market the iPhone worldwide. What's the world standard? GSM. Verizon had to put an incredible offer to make Apple take the bait. As we've read in these pages, the new GSM standard is coming soon and both AT&T and Verizon will be using that. So, in effect, CDMA is on the way out. Even without the Verizon choice, why not cut a deal with T-Mobile, who uses GSM. The unlocked phones could use any GSM card available. Of course, Apple makes it extremely difficult and will void the warranty if you crack the case and swap chips (and unlock it).

The word is that Verizon will get a deal with Apple once they move to the new GSM. The choices should be there so people can switch carriers and keep their iPhones. The reader testimonials here show that some carriers work better than others depending on where you live.
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RE: Apple can't seriously be
jerrycothern@... 23rd Jul 2009
It's like everything else in the would, you never hear from the people that are satisfied with something or how something is working, look at the stats, look at how many iPhones have been sold, look at how many different people are complaining, not the number of complaints, then and only then will you see that the majority of the people that have chosen the iPhone are very satisfied with AT&T, Apple, and the iPhone. It is always a few people that have nothing better to do than complain about everything in this world, that ruins things for everyone else. In closing, I would like to add, if you personally have not tried an iPhone or AT&T, what right do you have to make a negative comment. Get a life.
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I've been a customer of both and would ditch the iPhone and run back to Verizon in a heartbeat if my company wasn't paying for my AT&T phone. AT&T's -- No Bars in More Places.
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all interesting comments, so far
rahbm 23rd Jul 2009
Fortunately in Australia all carriers are GSM and 3G, so we have full
choice as to which telco/carrier we use, whether for iPhone or other
handset. For once, competition seems to be working here.

Coverage on my iPhone in the US was acceptable in the northeast with
ATT and good in California with T-Mobile.

A rare and enjoyable experience to read the comments without any
trolling from the usual suspects - so far, at least.
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Here in Germany...
Steve*1* 23rd Jul 2009
the iPhone is exclusive to T-Mobile. My negative experience with
Deutsche Telekom means that I would never, (even if they paid
me), go back to using them - but I WANT AN iPHONE. So Apple
loses one sale here
What would iPhone sales be if they were to just sell it as an 'open'
phone? The sales would be astounding.
Bad marketing, Apple.
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expensive
Tigertank 28th Jul 2009
I wonder how many people would be willing to spend hundreds more for
an unsubsidized phone.
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Outside the US, it's at least as bad.
Jeff Dickey 24th Jul 2009
In Europe and (most of) Asia, like the US, iPhones are locked to a
single carrier. Here in Singapore, that's the government-linked
carrier, SingTel. If you don't want to deal with them - either because
of previous support issues, or because of their pricing (the price of the
3GS is tied to which service plan you commit to; the lowest base bill
leaves a 3GS 16GB at S$698, or approximately US$484.90), or just
because you don't like dealing with government-linked companies in
a "free market country"... you can't get a (legal) 3GS. And even if you
do, it costs more if you go out of town... I rather suspect that a very
high percentage of 3GS prospective customers here are individuals
who do a lot of travel (and thus would fork over even more cash at the
end of the month).

Of course there won't be any government inquiry into lock-in here like
there is in the US - competition is for the hoi polloi, not for those who
are Connected.

What would be interesting would be if the US Gov found that carrier
lock-in was anticompetitive (duh) and tried to go beyond just untying
Apple and AT&T in the US, but found a justification to tell Apple - as a
US-based corporation - that it shouldn't do such deals /anywhere/. I
could see two effects from that - prices for consumers worldwide
would drop (if competitive conditions were actually allowed), and
Apple would sell three hecks of a lot more iPhones. They'd cry all the
way to the bank...
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RE: Apple can't seriously be
mpflinn 26th Jul 2009
I am. I want an iPhone and I want it on my reliable Verizon network. Want to dump my so-called Smartphone.
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RE: Apple can't seriously be
nothingness 27th Jul 2009
I for one have not had any unusual problems with AT&T
here in Atlanta. From my circle of friends, there are
just as many who want to get out of their Verizon
contracts as there are with AT&T and the others. Mobile
technology is not perfect no matter what brand it is
under.
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According to an article in cnet (granted, from Oct 2007) http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-9803657-37.html, it's estimated (from Apple financial statements) that AT&T pays apple $18 per month per active iPhone customer. This is why AT&T didn't care if people jail-broke their iPhones (at least, the first iteration), and why Apple went to such great lengths to "brick" jail-broken phones.

I imagine that if Apple were to start selling phones on Verizon, this payment would stop immediately; and I doubt Verizon would pay Apple that much for an iPhone customer on their network.
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RE: Apple can't seriously be
icboulder 21st Aug 2009
I am a 58 year old housewife who loves Apple and the
iPhone but since June 09 my service has deteriorated
to the point that I cannot use my cell phone in my
home to effectively call my family members and use
free minutes. It works OK in some local Boulder/Denver
areas but no longer in my home area. What use is a
cell phone that you cannot use at home? I tell my kids
call me on my land line.

I have been a customer of AT&T for cell use for 10
years and I can tell you that since June 09, I would
consider for the first time changing service because
it is no longer good enough to use. Apple please take
note. I am not a tecknofreek nor a tecknojunkie, I am
just a plain old customer who is lodging a complaint.
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RE: Apple can't seriously be
krustykanuck 21st Aug 2009
I really have to hand it to people who don't understand technology and go about stating that CDMA is dead and that GSM is the future. What nonsense... The next stage in the technology for wireless cell phones is an OFDM technology that will replace GSM and CDMA, a true 4G technology. CDMA is used in enough countries to make it a viable option. It is used extensively in Korea, China and India, as well as South America. The only countries that are exclusive to GSM are pretty much in Europe where they would be loath to use an American based technology in their networks. But to get sufficient 3G data rates they had to upgrade to a UMTS standard that uses many of the same principles as CDMA, but with a wider carrier band than the North America 1x and EVDO currently used by Verizon and Spring. As far as SIM cards go, both CDMA and GSM have the capability to use SIM cards, and the latest chipsets used in CDMA phones allow both GSM and CDMA technologies to be used if needed... just look at the Blackberry world phone that incorporates this. It is up to the carrier to request this feature in the handsets... and currently they are very strict about allowing that capability. What better technology than to have a CDMA/GSM hybrid for a true world phone? The statements you get in these forums really reflect the lack of knowledge users have about the state of their own wireless service and the technology used to run it......
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RE: Apple can't seriously be
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