Apple rocks China: Can it outrun counterfeiters?
Summary: Apple may be the rarest of U.S. tech companies---one that can make gobs of money in China sans excessive counterfeiting. The big question is how long Apple can enjoy its Chinese honeymoon.
Apple may be the rarest of U.S. tech companies---one that can make gobs of money in China and not have to worry excessively about counterfeiting. The big question is how long Apple can enjoy its Chinese honeymoon before counterfeiters start eating into the bottom line.
If this blog post is to be believed Apple's counterfeiting woes may just be beginning. BirdAbroad has documented a stunning knockoff of an Apple Store. Yes, the whole store.
But first let's get to the big picture and how Apple's massive sales in China and knock-off goods are on a collision course.
The biggest---yet most overlooked---point on Apple's fiscal third quarter earnings conference call (statement, Techmeme) were comments about China from CFO Peter Oppenheimer and operating chief Tim Cook. Simply put, Apple's future lies in emerging markets like China and Brazil. These regions had been off limits for the most part.
Sure, Apple has new MacBook Airs and OS X Lion, moves millions of iPhones and exceeds enterprise and consumer expectations on the iPad, but the real story is China. Cook said:
China was very key to our results. As a reminder, for Greater -- we define Greater China as Mainland China, Hong Kong and Taiwan. Year-over-year it was up over 6 times. And the revenue was approximately $3.8 billion during the quarter, and that makes the year-to-date numbers through the three quarters that we have had thus far around $8.8 billion. So this has been a substantial opportunity for Apple. And I firmly believe that we are just scratching the surface right now. I think there is an incredible opportunity for Apple there.
The comparison to Apple in China is Microsoft. Microsoft makes little money in China due to piracy. Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer stumps for intellectual property reform in China and pitches quality over knock-off PCs. Good luck with that one Mr. Ballmer. The reality: Microsoft pulls in less revenue from China than it does in the Netherlands.
If you take Apple's figures at face value it appears that the Chinese actually buy that quality argument when it comes to the iPhone and iPad. In other words, the Chinese consumer wants the real Apple over a knock-off.
I have a few eyes and ears in China. A friend of mine is regularly in China as a buyer for a major retailer. He's also a geek's geek. And yes, he comes home sometimes with full versions of Adobe PhotoShop for $5 and every Nintendo DS game you can fit on an SD card for a couple of bucks. As he handles headaches like moving plants inland and dealing with factory shutdowns because the Chinese power grid is a mess, he also notices nothing but iPads on the train.
He's not stunned by the number of iPads on these trains inland as much as the fact they are real. "These people are actually buying the real thing," said my pal, a diehard Apple fan. You can find a knock-off iPhone here and there, but for the most part Apple sells a lot of real phones and tablets.
Piper Jaffray analyst Gene Munster said in a research note that China is crucial to Apple's future growth. Munster said:
We believe that Apple will extend its experience in China into India, Brazil, and other key emerging economies in the coming years. Between China, India and Brazil, Apple is just beginning to find success in selling to 40% of the world's population.
Cook added:
I am not saying at all that we have figured out precisely how to play perfectly in the environment, we haven't. I think we have more to do and more to learn, but I feel very, very good about our progress there. I think if any of us would have been told a year ago that we would do $3.8 billion in Greater China in a quarter, I don't think very many of us would have believed it. And I don't think any of you would have believed it. So we feel very, very good about it.
How long will this success last? Perhaps not for long unless Apple gets its arms around potential counterfeiting. The BirdAbroad blog, run by a 27 year old woman living in Kunming, documented Apple stores in Kunming. As you know, Apple just opened stores in Beijing and Shanghai.
From the BirdAbroad blog:
You have already guessed the punchline, of course: this was a total Apple store ripoff. A beautiful ripoff – a brilliant one – the best ripoff store we had ever seen (and we see them every day). But some things were just not right: the stairs were poorly made. The walls hadn’t been painted properly.
Apple never writes “Apple Store” on its signs – it just puts up the glowing, iconic fruit.
The pictures on the BirdAbroad blog highlight some nice touches of a blatant rip off of an Apple store. Apple's job will be to shut down the stores. But the rip-off stores are probably just the tip of the iceberg. Apple is likely to have a lot more counterfeit fires to put out as it enjoys crazy growth in China. Those profits are only going to attract more con artists.
Related:
- Apple Q3 a blowout: 20.34 million iPhones; 9.25 million iPads
- Apple: Mac OS X Lion launching on Wednesday
- Apple's corporate iPhone, iPad app strength bad news for rivals
- Updated MacBook Air now available: Starting at $999
- Mac OS X 10.7 'Lion' available from the Mac App Store
- New MacBook Air with Thunderbolt, backlit keyboard ...
From CNET:
- Mac OS X Lion: A worthy upgrade
- Screenshots: OS X Lion
- Video: A first look at Lion
- MacBook Air, Mac Mini updated
- Will your Mac run Lion?
- Welcome to the Apple store that isn't
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This could change. I can see someone there selling of PC claones with a hacked OS X.
RE: Apple rocks China: Can it outrun counterfeiters?
From what I see, most Chinese users that use Apple computers install WindowsO/S on the device. The popularity right now is with Iphone and Ipad.
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Not a totally fair comparison
In what way is a pirated copy of Windows 7 lower quality than a genuine copy of Windows 7? Of course there is no quality difference of the bits. Pirated bits are just as well built as genuine bits.
So it isn't fair to suggest (if it was your intention to do so) that the Chinese don't buy the quality argument from MS but they do from Apple. The Chinese want quality from both Apple and MS. In fact, if it is only Apple's iPhone and iPad that are selling in China, it would suggest that the Chinese do not buy Apple's quality argument when it comes to desktop / laptop computers and are far happier with MS's quality argument.
Except they all buy or obtain counterfeit copies of Windows
@toddybottom
Wow, you are so rude!
RE: Apple rocks China: Can it outrun counterfeiters?
He's absolutely right. Apple is a hardware company. Their hardware also happens to run their software. But honestly, their software isn't that great. In fact, it kinda sucks.
But their *hardware* is beautiful. And it works perfectly *with* their software. And you can make a fake iPhone, but unless you're willing to spend big bucks on it, it will feel like a knockoff.
A pirated copy of Windows 7 is Windows 7.
RE: Apple rocks China: Can it outrun counterfeiters?
Nothing new
China made millions of phoney Apple IIe 30 years ago
RE: Apple rocks China: Can it outrun counterfeiters?
RE: Apple rocks China: Can it outrun counterfeiters?
RE: Apple rocks China: Can it outrun counterfeiters?
Please remember, Hardware and Software markets are completely different, Apple operates in one, Microsoft in the other.
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RE: Apple rocks China: Can it outrun counterfeiters?
Ok. But the article creates an impression that Chinese people care about quality when it comes to iPad, iPhone, but don't care for quality in case of MS Windows.
And please remember, a pirated Windows user is not using free Linux, and potential Windows Live Services user. :)
Why was your friend so surprised? Does he understand the difference
between [b]soft[/b]war and [b]hard[/b]ware in reference to piracy?
Software Disks can be copied using a simple CD/DVD drive, anyone with a computer can do it.
Last time I checked, you can't just stick an iPhone into a computer and have 3 or 4 exact copies pop out, so you have no choice, you either buy the real thing, or you don't.
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One counterfeit iPhone I have seen has all the features of a real iPhone, with additional:
1) Dual Sim card slot (makes it a great travelling phone)
2) a TV and radio antennas
3) swapable battery
4) The same, if not better, battery life
5) all with the same form factor of the original iPhone
with some drawbacks such as bad onscreen keyboard, laggy UI, and non existed 3rd party app market/store since there's no open APIs. The newer models now uses Android so that issue has been "fixed" somehow.
The reason why they don't make their own brand is that they're already overcrowded with so many "local brands" with similar feature sets (yeah all those things I've listed) that makes them almost indistinguishable. With all the local brands that racing the price to the bottom, it's actually more profitable to knock-off the expensive brand rather than develop their own brand.
RE: Apple rocks China: Can it outrun counterfeiters?
The main reason the knockoff iPhone/iPads haven't caught on in China is APPS! The knock off phones don't have APPS. Secondly, most iPad knockoffs run android and are using resistive screens and crappy processors and they dont run APPs very well.
I just purchased an Iphone4 Clone for $200 running Android 2.2 skinned to look like iOS and I can download apps from Android market, but it has a 600mzh chip so its pretty slow. If China continues to improve the quality of these products then Apple is in trouble, but until then Apple will rule in China.
RE: Apple rocks China: Can it outrun counterfeiters?
where the heck do you think apple manufactures their products? and what quality and who are the QAs?