Apple Store employee working to form union

Apple Store employee working to form union

Summary: Apple Store workers might soon have some extra benefits if one employee is successful in his efforts to form a union.

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Apple Store workers might soon have some extra benefits if one employee is successful in his efforts to form a union.

Cory Moll, who works as a part-time employee at an Apple Store in San Francisco, told Reuters that "the core issues definitely involve compensation, pay, benefits."

Apple already has 325 stores worldwide and counting, so it's going to be a long road for Moll if he wants to secure some universal rights and benefits across the board. This could end up being very unlikely given the different labor laws and regulations that vary by state and by country.

For example, Moll's position as a part-time employee in one of the most expensive cities in the United States already puts him in a far different place and economic bracket than most other Apple Store employees.

Moll has stated that he makes $14 per hour as a part-time employee, compared to the $9.92 hourly rate for minimum wage in San Francisco.

These figures along with the fact that Apple Store employes have more options than most part-time retail store workers (i.e. stock purchase plans, certain health benefits after a year, etc.) have already drawn criticism that Moll's efforts are unnecessary and borderline greedy.

Nevertheless, Moll is "slowly gaining support from the company's notoriously loyal employees," so if this takes off, we'll likely see more concrete plans in the months to come.

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  • RE: Apple Store employee working to form union

    Gaining support? If someone was campaigning to get your more money and benefits would you go "No thanks, I'll pass on that raise"?
    Aerowind
    • Possibly...

      @Aerowind ... San Francisco seems like the type of place where it'd be an easier sell to the employees, but there are plenty of locales in the United States where unions poll somewhere near Beelzibub asking for your daughters hand in marriage.<br><br>It's interesting that the author of the linked article contrasts the potential to join a union as opposite of being a "loyal" employee. As if asking for representation in salary negotiation is 'disloyal'.<br><br>A few years ago the cast of the TV show Friends decided to negotiate together, and agreed to all either agree to the pay and conditions package as a group, or quit the show. They wound up with a pretty good deal.<br><br>Although they didn't officialy form a legally recognized union, what they did was indestinguishable from being a union.<br><br>Yet you don't hear news commentators castigating them for forming a group to negotiate pay and conditions.<br><br>When the little people do it, it's 'disloyal' however.
      HollywoodDog
      • RE: Apple Store employee working to form union

        [i]When the little people do it, it's 'disloyal' however.[/i]

        Fine. Then go help the people over at Foxconn if you're so concerned. Or don't they count?
        blind obedience
      • I think the rules are different in China

        @HollywoodDog .. either you jump off the roof and secure a payment for your family, or if they find out you support unions, the secret police take you out and put a bullet in you.

        China is a right-to-work country.
        HollywoodDog
      • RE: Apple Store employee working to form union

        @blind China was going to change some of its laws to include better worker protection, but large corporations (including American ones) went there and insisted they not do this or they'd move out of China for other locales.
        jgm2
      • RE: Apple Store employee working to form union

        Missing my point. If the so-called "little people" count, then they should count everywhere. Not just in San Francrackpotco where nutty ideas like this tend to originate from, anyway.
        blind obedience
      • RE: Apple Store employee working to form union

        @jgm@...

        [b]China was going to change some of its laws to include better worker protection, but large corporations (including American ones) went there and insisted they not do this or they'd move out of China for other locales.[/b]

        Got any proof of this?
        athynz
  • RE: Apple Store employee working to form union

    OMG, Apple is now doomed !!!
    cmike101
    • I agree!

      @cmike101
      $14 an hour is unsustainable by Apple.
      Unions and minimum wage laws are destroying American business environment.
      Real Americans are asking for tax cuts not handouts.
      Linux Geek
      • RE: Apple Store employee working to form union

        @Linux Geek How is $14/hr unsustainable for Apple if that is what he is ALREADY getting paid? Did you even bother to read the article?

        But to address the other issues you brought up tell me just HOW are unions and minimum wage laws "destroying American business environment"? And how is starting a union asking for a handout? What is really destroying the American business environment is the outrageous discrepancies between what the rank and file employees makes and what the upper management and CEOs make - CEOs make on average 200-300 times more than their highest paid employees... even when their company is tanking they take pay raises and more perks while laying off employees.
        athynz
      • RE: Apple Store employee working to form union

        @athynz Minimum wage is killing businesses. They can't afford to give their good workers a raise because that money is being used to pay their subpar employees, often resulting in your good employees leaving.
        Aerowind
      • RE: Apple Store employee working to form union

        @Linux Geek <br><br>Yes, one of the most profitable companies in the world can't pay $14 an hour to it's workers. American workers should settle for $1 per day, like in China. We don't need to maintain a standard of living in the U.S. <br><br>You're not a real American because corporations have duped you into thinking less taxes will be money in your pocket. It's called bing a sucker. Companies who are "paying a 24% tax" are actually paying $0 because of the loopholes in tax law. Exxon Mobil and GE (who made billions in just profit last year) pay less taxes than I do. <br><br>We need everyone to pay their fair share, get rid of most frivolous exemptions, and tariff companies who move offshore to be "more competitive" by taking advantage of human rights and destroying the local environment. <br><br>I guess you don't need a fair wage if you're living in your mom's basement.
        crazydanr
      • RE: Apple Store employee working to form union

        @Aerowind If you have subpar employees, you replace them with better employees. There's no economic study that suggests that paying employees a livable wage cripples businesses.

        " They can't afford to give their good workers a raise because that money is being used to pay their subpar employees, often resulting in your good employees leaving."

        For where? Companies that don't pay their employees minimum wage? :-) That's nonsensical because such companies don't (legally) exist. You're making this example up as you go along, aren't you?
        jgm2
      • Hello, are you on this planet

        @jgm

        If you have a union, you have to extend the same scale and benefits to "ALL" employees. It is not performance based, so you cannot reward better employees with better pay. If I have an employee that is producing much more than his peers, and they are all making $14 an hour; in a non union business I would give him a raise commiserate with the amount financials production they are bringing to the company.
        MichaelWells
      • RE: Apple Store employee working to form union

        @Aerowind

        Pure steaming bullsh1t...

        [b]Minimum wage is killing businesses. They can't afford to give their good workers a raise because that money is being used to pay their subpar employees, often resulting in your good employees leaving.[/b]

        If you have an employee that is subpar and you have proof he or she is subpar then you use that proof to justify getting rid of that subpar employee and hire a new employee. It's really just that simple.

        You say that companies can't afford to give good workers a raise because they are diverting funds to these aforementioned subpar employees making minimum wage... while their CEO's are making 200-300 times that at least not counting benefits and perks. But sure, place the blame on the minimum wage... nevermind that CEO pay has gone up over 200% and congress has voted themselves raises every session for years. Sure, it's the guy making a bit over 7 bucks an hour that's the problem.
        athynz
  • RE: Apple Store employee working to form union

    That would just cause prices to go up. It is well known that Unions do not benefit the general public. Unions are one of the reasons that the American auto industry failed. Unions are nothing but a group of greedy people that look to promote themselves over the good of the populous.
    Rick_K
    • Yeah! And it might make workers think they deserve dignity or something!

      @Rick_K ... Workers should merely accept terms dictated by employers, or just get lost. You let them vote for representation, who knows what else they might start asking for.

      The most important thing is the world is consumer prices - the lower the better. In fact, consumer prices aren't just the most important thing in life, they're the only thing.
      HollywoodDog
      • RE: Apple Store employee working to form union

        @HollywoodDog

        Yeah, more important than starvation, disease, child abuse, a bankrupt government, etc. You do realize that there are millions of people on this planet who are so poor that they couldn't give a squirt about consumer prices as they are concerned about where their next meal or drink of safe water may be coming from.

        Dolt!
        omdguy
    • RE: Apple Store employee working to form union

      @Rick_K

      Both the unions and the corporations were corrupt. You can't place the blame on one side just because you're on the other side. If anything I'd blame the corporations first, because the unions would not have existed in the first place if the corporations were treating their employees fairly.

      I actually work for a company that got rid of its union. The employees voted it out because they saw they were being treated fairly without it, so there was no need to have an extra fee come out of their paycheck. Perhaps if these other companies did the same, their employees would reconsider the need for a union.
      Michael Kelly
      • RE: Apple Store employee working to form union

        @Michael Kelly

        As you stated, there is nothing intrinsically "evil" about unions. They provide, if needed, a legal way to address employee concerns or wants.
        kenosha77a