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Larry Dignan, Andrew Nusca and Rachel King

Apple win would be boon for AMD: Graphics matter

By | April 16, 2010, 11:18am PDT

Apple is reportedly talking with Advanced Micro Devices about using the No. 2 chipmaker’s processors. Simply put, an Apple win would be huge for AMD since its profit margins just can’t keep up with Intel’s at the moment.

AppleInsider reports the following:

  • AMD reps have been seen talking with Apple;
  • Apple is working with AMD chips in its labs;
  • Apple wants to diversify and isn’t happy about Intel design decisions that have hurt the company’s partnership with Nvidia;
  • Apple may be interested in AMD for its graphics ability and the fusion of CPUs and GPUs.

The AppleInsider report is fascinating in that it shows how Apple may be looking for leverage. An Apple-AMD hookup raises some interesting questions. Among them:

  • AMD will give Apple lower component pricing?
  • Will consumers get that AMD discount baked into pricing?
  • How serious is Apple about AMD?
  • What would happen to Apple’s Nvidia partnership with an AMD deal?
  • Will Apple really have two flavors of MacBooks—AMD or Intel?
  • Or will Apple go with AMD completely and make the chipmaker’s quarters for the next few years?

On AMD’s first quarter earnings conference call, Dirk Meyer, CEO of AMD, wasn’t talking much about anything with Apple. There was a passing mention, however. Here’s the exchange:

UBS analyst Uche Orji asked:

Apple announced some refresh of their Mac book product suite with product from Nvidia, where one of the comments they made on the website is a concept of switchable graphics as part of the reasons why they chose it, and it has possible impact on the battery life. How does this compare to what you have, and how do you plan to respond to this type of competitive pressure coming from Nvidia? So if you can just talk about what Apple has done, the announcement they made and how that impacts your product. That would be helpful.

Meyer answered:

Sure. I think that’s a referenced to what they call Optimus. Switchable graphics capability. At the high level, we’ve had switchable graphics capability in the graphics platform for a couple of years under the banner of power express. My understanding of Optimus is it provides a little bit more of a software-controlled experience and one that we have in our development pipeline as well. The final thing I’ll say is kind of the ultimate high performance graphics experience in a notebook is actually going to be made available in the Fusion context which is one of the reasons that we’re so excited about having Fusion available in the market.

Add it up and AMD could provide the graphics capability Apple is looking for. As AppleInsider noted, AMD traditionally trails Intel on raw performance. However, Ghz is a secondary issue for Apple buyers. An Apple purchase is about design, quality, OS X and ease of use. AMD can get by on the Ghz equation with a mere close enough to Intel if the graphics stars line up. Sean Portnoy asks whether folks would buy an Apple with AMD inside. I’d argue that the processor is a secondary consideration (at best) for buying an Apple.

Analysts were mixed on AMD’s profitable first quarter. Many noted that the AMD quarter was fueled by an inventory build courtesy of design wins at Acer and Lenovo. An Apple design win would be another boon for AMD.

Related: Apple in ‘advanced discussions’ to adopt AMD chips

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Talkback Most Recent of 76 Talkback(s)

  • I would be thrilled
    If Apple switch to AMD processors. It would be especially cool to see an 8 or 12 core Opteron in a MacPro.

    And in many ways, and AMD is faster clock for clock than Intel. And certainly far cheaper. Which is why every system I build is AMD.
    ZDNet Gravatar
    Stuka
    16th Apr 2010
  • AMD and Wintel in general
    I agree. I used to have an AMD Athlon 1 Ghz machine, built from scratch, that ran circles around Intel 1.8 Ghz brand name machines...and if you consider the "bloatware" OS quotient, .....Apple, AMD, and everyone would win...
    ZDNet Gravatar
    tcrimmins1953@...
    16th Apr 2010
  • Once upon a time
    And in many ways, and AMD is faster clock for clock than Intel.

    That was true some years back, but Intel changed the playing field - and indeed the game - with their Core architecture and subsequent model series. There IS a reason they've been kicking AMD's butt since C2D was introduced.

    But go AMD! It just ain't right to have to watch you hang in the shadow of Intel like you've been forced to do since that time (though clearly improving). This sounds like it not only could be a move off ye olde ventilator tubes and defibrillator, but a promising marriage into the bargain, well, if -any- marriage is really that. wink
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    klumper
    17th Apr 2010
  • Not really
    The poster is talking about CLOCK FOR CLOCK (in other words, comparing the same clock speed).

    An AMD CPU running at a lower speed only has a very insignificant disadvantage to an Intel CPU running at 40% higher speed. Most of the so called reviews, compare an AMD Phenom running at 2GHz with a Inter Core 2 running at 2.9GHz.

    Compare the two at the same speed, and you will find that the difference is more significant and AMD is the winner.
    ZDNet Gravatar
    wackoae
    16th Apr 2010
  • You are wrong...
    This was true in the times of Pentium 4, when a 3.2 Ghz Pentium 4 was equaled by a 2.6 Ghz AMD Athlon. That is not the case anymore.

    The slowest Core 2 Duo was the 1.8Ghz one back in 2006, the e6300. It left in the dust the 2.2Ghz AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+, released some time after C2D was introduced.

    It remains the same for Core i3, Core i5 and Core i7. Clock for clock, Intel beats AMD. With a lower Ghz count, Intel leaves AMD in the dust.
    ZDNet Gravatar
    israeljamesbond
    16th Apr 2010
  • Before NetBurst burst
    This was true in the times of Pentium 4, when a 3.2 Ghz Pentium 4 was equaled by a 2.6 Ghz AMD Athlon. That is not the case anymore.

    Yep, forcing Intel to look as much backward as forward for advancement. Oh the fortuitous irony.
    ZDNet Gravatar
    klumper
    17th Apr 2010
  • Clobbered is more accurate
    Ever since the introduction of the Core line. There's no point in splitting hairs or even arguing that fait accompli at this point. Unless you're utterly blind to devotions.

    What's more interesting is how this may pan out, and what Apple may be eyeballing in the big picture. Is it AMD microprocessors, chipsets, GPU's, the entire matrix? Clearly Intel and Nvidia have a chunk of change to lose, not a critical loss considering the relatively niche volume, but you know how these guys hate to surrender ground.

    AMD + ATI in an Apple box... shades of the Intel Inside bombshell, only morphing to 2.0.
    ZDNet Gravatar
    klumper
    17th Apr 2010
  • Throw In SSD?
    You are right if Apple traded an i5/i7 + NVIDIA
    for an AMD+ATI+SSD at the same price point I
    would totally prefer the AMD+ATI+SSD.

    Yes you would probably have a little bit worst
    performing CPU, but your overall system
    performance would be much much better.

    Apple will be the company that starts the death
    of the mechanical hard drive. The question is
    when?
    ZDNet Gravatar
    danielwsmithee
    19th Apr 2010
  • AMD might finally be able to capitalize on the graphics as that moves onto
    the same silicon as the processor. On the other
    hand, this might force Intel to licence its
    cores to be combined with NVidia for example
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    DonnieBoy
    16th Apr 2010
  • RE: Apple win would be boon for AMD: Graphics matter
    Now this might make me actually consider buying a Mac
    ZDNet Gravatar
    bmore_bro69@...
    16th Apr 2010
  • RE: Apple win would be boon for AMD: Graphics matter
    Don't count on Apple passing along any cheaper component pricing. Apple is all about maintaining their profit margins. If Apple fanboys will pay the price, why lower it?
    ZDNet Gravatar
    mstrsfty
    16th Apr 2010
  • I'm afraid you're wrong about Apple buyers not wanting performance
    When run against PC laptops, the MacBook Pro line
    (running Windows under Boot Camp) has, on several
    occasions, been the fastest Windows laptop in its class.

    Apple doesn't refresh their line up as frequently as many
    PC manufacturers do their consumer lines, but when you
    move up the line to a business-class machine like Dell's
    Latitude or HP's Vectra, there are a lot of similarities.

    As an Apple buyer, I'm all about performance. I'd be
    unhappy if Apple moved to Intel while AMD offered an
    inferior product, and today, that's the case.

    I'd be willing to bet that the reasons Apple was talking to
    AMD were twofold:

    1) AMD has graphics switching technology similar to what
    Apple just implemented on their own, so it may have been
    that AMD's Optimus technology was up for consideration,
    but was ultimately ruled out.

    2) It is in Apple's interest to keep Intel on their toes. You
    never sit down at the table with one vendor and one
    vendor only. That's a great way to hand margins over to
    your supplier.
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    brad@...
    16th Apr 2010
  • Number 3)...
    Apple can exert more leverage on AMD than they can on Intel.
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    jack@...
    16th Apr 2010
  • Umm
    "AMD has graphics switching technology similar to what Apple just implemented on their own"

    That had nothing to do with Apple, but its nice they are trying to take the credit for it.
    ZDNet Gravatar
    ceward_z
    16th Apr 2010
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    msalzberg
    16th Apr 2010

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