Are netbooks really junky?

Summary: Tim Cook, Apple's chief operating officer, stirred up a little firestorm in the PC industry by calling netbooks---essentially the only growth area---"junky" and pointing out a bevy of flaws with them as constructed.Cook's comments, which came following Apple's stellar second quarter financial results (Techmeme), are notable for a few reasons:Apple was being on point about netbooks;Signaled that it had no intention of playing in the netbook market---yet;And isn't going to sacrifice margins.

Tim Cook, Apple's chief operating officer, stirred up a little firestorm in the PC industry by calling netbooks---essentially the only growth area---"junky" and pointing out a bevy of flaws with them as constructed.

Cook's comments, which came following Apple's stellar second quarter financial results (Techmeme), are notable for a few reasons:

  • Apple was being on point about netbooks;
  • Signaled that it had no intention of playing in the netbook market---yet;
  • And isn't going to sacrifice margins.Junk?

But the larger question is whether netbooks as currently constructed are junk. I have a Dell Mini 9 and the little bugger works just fine---as long as its hooked up to a keyboard and monitor. It's just too cramped, but the Ubuntu works well.

Here's what Cook said when asked for his thoughts about the netbook category on Apple's earnings call:

For us, it’s about doing great products. And when I look at what is being sold in the netbook space today, I see cramped keyboards, terrible software, junky hardware, very small screens, and just not a consumer experience, and not something that we would put the Mac brand on quite frankly. And so, it’s not a space as it exists today that we are interested in, nor do we believe that customers in the long term would be interested in. It’s a segment we would choose not to play in.

That said, we do look at the space and are interested to see our customers’ respond to it. People that want a small computer so to speak that does browsing and e-mail, might want to buy an iPod Touch or they might want to buy an iPhone. And so, we have other products to accomplish some of what people are buying netbooks for and so, in that particular way we play in an indirect basis.

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The comments were notable on a few fronts.

First, Cook is somewhat speaking the truth. Excluding the swipe about the software---Windows XP and Ubuntu seem capable---he largely on target about netbooks. Cook's comments about the iPod touch or iPhone being a netbook is only partially true. The comparison is a bit thin.

Also see: The $200 "Mac"

Apple disses netbooks, again

So why would Cook take a jab at the netbook?

It sends a few signals.

1. Apple isn't going to blow its margins and a junk netbook could diminish its brand.

Would you screw with these margins for netbook glory?

The larger question is whether the netbook space is really worth the effort. AMD has punted on netbooks for now and will focus on the light, thin notebook market. Intel will be answering AMD and potentially at least limiting the profit margin damage that's possible from Atom.

2. Apple doesn't have a direct netbook answer yet.

Piper Jaffray analyst Gene Munster noted that Apple projected third quarter gross margins of about 30 percent, which is lower than the 36.4 percent reported in the second quarter. Does that hint at a netbook-ish device? Probably not. Munster writes:

While some investors believe this decline in GM may be due to a low-cost portable in the Sept. quarter, we do not believe this is the case. In other words, we do not expect Apple to introduce a low-cost portable in the Sep-09 quarter; our contacts in the Asian supply chain have not suggested such a product is on track for launch before Sep-09. Rather, we believe Apple is simply reiterating its previous comments instead of issuing revised expectations for the Sept. quarter.

3. The iPod touch may be seen as a netbook.

JP Morgan analyst Mark Moskowitz argues that the iPod touch is already a netbook. He writes:

It is no secret that unit trends in PCs are currently being helped by netbooks. We think that customers are attracted to the form factor for portability, email, and the Internet. While Apple has yet to introduce a netbook, the iPod touch is similar in function, and its sales momentum seems to be mirroring the netbook unit sales trend lines in the broader market.

4. The netbook form factor just isn't there yet.

Netbooks seem to small, but thin, light notebooks don't seem to be much of an advancement. There's something in between and Apple is most likely mulling over what that device should be. The Sony-VAIO P-Series may be a good start.

Topics: Apple, Hardware, Mobility

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  • To be blunt..... yes, Netbooks are Junky

    In regards to the hardware and capabilities that are in them. I am sorry, but 6 hours of battery life is NOT enough for me to leave out the ability to play non-hardcore games, i.e. RealArcade, GameHouse and Reflexive games.

    These things are ONLY good for people who are ABSOLUTELY SURE that they will be doing nothing but e-mail, internet browsing, and maybe photo collecting, online or offline.

    Those are the only people that netbooks are good for.
    Lerianis
    • Junky because you can't game?!?! Huh??

      No manufacturer has ever claimed netbooks could play games. No article anywhere has ever claimed they could be used for that purpose. Netbooks are for people who travel a lot. They have enough battery power to keep working on an entire 6 hour flight. They are plenty powerful for Word, Excel, Powerpoint, Outlook, and web browsing. They can fit inside your briefcase, backpack, or carry-on while leaving room for everything else you need on a trip. They fit more easily on a lap tray in coach than a laptop. They even let you video chat with your family when you are away from home. The keyboards are infinitely more usable for emails and documents than thumb typing on a Blackberry or iPhone. Because they are mostly used by travelers, they are also very sturdy. Overall, they are a perfect fit for short trips, heading to the park, or even coffee shop visits.

      Nobody who actually owns and uses one would call them junky because you can't game on them. That's like saying hammers are junky because you can't cut lumber with them. It makes zero sense.
      BillDem
      • Junky because

        it comes with XP and not much to be creative with,
        it contains older and slower and less hardware
        and likely of worse quality.

        The [b]only[/b] reason for the netbook's existence is [b]price[/b],
        to tempt consumers with low prices so that those with the thinnest
        wallets may buy something too.

        Maybe a good idea during the crisis, but it makes me sad just the
        same to see the manufacturers trick consumers into buying this crap.
        Mikael_z
        • junkies == the OS war pundits

          Ubuntu is XP?

          The only reason is price? What about weight? If I had a more powerful desktop, I would never use my laptop for anything a netbook couldn't handle.

          I doubt if this would be a question if it wasn't for the OS wars and their pundits.
          dave@...
          • Simply stating the bleeding obvious

            It's dirt cheap, we're in the midst of an economically bad time, the OEMs
            are even having the stomach to install Linux to make it as cheap as
            possible! I read desperation in this.

            Growth hasn't been what they'd like, very little compared to a certain
            company in Cupertino. Difficult times require drastic measures, and so
            forth. I'd still not buy any of these technically impaired devices, not even
            to mom with her modest needs.
            Mikael_z
          • like any other tool, it depends on your needs

            I've got a netbook and for my travels, it works well. It's very small and easy to pack, does everything I need on the road for most trips, and was cheap as well.

            I wouldn't use it as my only computer, but that doesn't mean someone else couldn't. I have a fairly high-end desktop PC for gaming, another for surfing, email, photo and video editing, etc., a Linux box for certain services and a 15" laptop for convenient use around the house and other mobile needs. With all that, I still find the netbook useful for many situations.

            With a gig of RAM and a 120GB HD, it's probably at least as capable as many desktop PCs were just a few years ago, and they seemed to do the job fine back then. Mine also has a standard VGA-out and some USB ports, so someone could even plug in a larger monitor, keyboard and mouse if they wanted to use it at home as their primary system. I plugged mine into a HD TV and it worked great.

            Just because it doesn't suit your needs doesn't mean it doesn't have value - I personally will never need a tampon, but I wouldn't criticize women who buy them for their needs because of that.
            brble
          • HAHAHAHAHAH

            "I personally will never need a tampon, but I wouldn't criticize women who buy them for their needs because of that."

            Oh, that's too funny...thank you!

            And a good example too. :D
            Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493
          • Bleeding Obvious response

            Then it obvious that you don't need one!! For some people this fits the bill nicely and I have bought three in the last two months. One for myself and one two grandkids. Now as far as being for people with modest needs, I'll have you know I have 4 Desktops, 3- 15" laptops,2- iPaqs and yet this fits a need very nicely. I can type a lot better on this than an iPaq, I can take it quicker and to many more places conveniently than a 15" Laptop with out having to juggle things, I can load movies that I want to watch for a Trans-Atlantic flight! There are many other ways it fits a need but trying to be brief. Also you can get them with Vista on them also!
            Lenella
          • Two reasons why they object so much

            1.) The Atom preocessor isn't capable of running their precious, revered bloatware pig, Vista

            2.) Netbooks are seen as an advantage (for the time being) for their arch-enemy Linux, until they can get the watered-down Windows 7 Starter Edition into production. Then you'll see them changing their tune.
            hasta la Vista, bah-bie
        • you dont have one

          Its slower?
          Actually pretty dam peppy with a SSD.
          And processing power is about the same if not better than a mac book Air.

          So for 1600-1800 the mac book air is "junky"
          For 200-300 the netbooks make the mac air books look so!
          JABBER_WOLF
          • Apple junkies

            Those guys are just talking sMACk because Apple does not have a product like that. Once Apple comes out with one it will be the greatest ever made.

            I just returned my big laptop to a KVM stack. I have rarely used it as a portable since getting an Aspire One. I agree that performance is not the same on the 4GB quad core but I can't stuff that on in a day pack along with everything else I need for a few days.
            mswift@...
        • BINGO! That is what I meant

          If the thing is so JUNKY it cannot play a game that is 10 years old, as the netbook I tried up at Best Buy couldn't...... the hardware is way more expensive, even at 300 dollars, than what I would pay for it.

          As I tell people everytime I talk with them about computers (I am an expert user and A+ Certified to repair and upgrade computers).... DON'T BUY A NETBOOK!

          Unless you are absolutely sure that you aren't going to watch online videos, online TV shows, etc. and are only going to be using it for e-mail and internet browsing.

          Even for those things I mention in the paragraph above..... netbooks are simply UNDERPOWERED AND OVERPRICED!
          Lerianis
          • BINGO "I'm a qualified a*****e" he said

            Aha
            We didn't realise your expert opinion was based on this amzing, Nobel prize level qualification! ROFL.

            In you highly qualified little mind, do you ever remember talking about "quality"? i.e. "Fit for purpose"? Netbooks are indeed fit for purpose, and if your clients were looking for lightweight and mobile, email, net surfing and "office-like" computing only, and you steered them away from Netbooks then I trust they will be spending their hard earned dollars elsewhere next time.

            Like the tampon-man said - just because it doesn't meet your requirements doesn't mean that is is the correct fit for other's needs.
            Chalfont
          • SO WHAT?

            DOES EVERYBODY OUT THERE PLAY GAMES?

            If it doesn't suit your needs, then DON'T BUY ONE!
            hasta la Vista, bah-bie
          • You're . . .

            . . . full of it. I have an Aspire One with a 160 Gig hard drive and Ubuntu 9.04. It I have all ten episodes of [u]Band of Brothers[/b], [b]Life of Brian[/b], and [b]Casablanca[/b] ripped from DVD from my last trip. They play perfectly. Last time I checked, Pat Condell and Edward Current's Youtube videos played as well as on my desktop at home, and better than my Macbook.

            I don't do gaming, but if I did, I'd use my desktop anyway.
            sporkfighter
      • "hammers are junky because you can't cut lumber with them"-hysterical! (nt)

        nt
        RationalGuy
      • travelling

        Well, if you travel a lot, you don't carry an external keyobard and
        monitor, and sorry, but without those long typing is just not going to
        happen, neither is decyphring Excel worksheets on a tiny screen.
        kitko
    • confusing needs and wants

      ??These things are ONLY good for people who are ABSOLUTELY SURE that they will be doing nothing but e-mail, internet browsing, and maybe photo collecting, online or offline.??

      Where I come from, we call these people grownups.
      jeantet74210
      • Grownups? Really?

        Do you mean grownups don't use their laptops for things like
        diagramming, CAD, music editing?
        msalzberg
        • Mostly no, they don't

          You simply don't get the netbook idea. They are for browsing, listening to music and basic productivity. No most folks, grown up or not, are not editing music or using a CAD app on them. In fact, most people are not doing those things on full sized laptops either. I get not wanting a netbook what I don't get is people whining about other people using them.
          Helio99000