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Larry Dignan, Andrew Nusca and Rachel King

Ballmer on the Microsoft-Yahoo deal: 'Nobody gets it'

By | July 30, 2009, 9:18am PDT

Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer said Thursday that no one quite gets the software giant’s search deal with Yahoo. Speaking at Microsoft’s financial analyst meeting, Ballmer said he was surprised by the market reaction—Yahoo shares tanked—to the search deal.

Ballmer said he wanted to provide his full explanation of the deal and “body English on the issue.”

He didn’t have to worry about the body English part. Ballmer was animated as usual. When it comes to the Microsoft-Yahoo search deal “nobody gets it.”

Overall, Ballmer argued that the partnership is about product, customer and revenue improvement. Yahoo gets to focus on being “the leading online media company in the world.”

OK, maybe the economics are a bit muddled. Ballmer said:

Economics is where people get even more confused. What happened? Nothing got bought. Nothing got sold. People expected something to get bought. Nothing got sold yesterday, and nothing got bought yesterday. But the partnership in and of itself creates economic value.

How? The search product will improve and the ad market will become more liquid.

“Our cost of good sold will be lower on search,” said Ballmer, noting “more liquidity that will improve monetization.”

On the Yahoo side, Ballmer sounded thrilled about the economics—for Yahoo. Ballmer said:

On the Yahoo side — this is the one that stuns me that people haven’t figured it out. Yahoo gets 88 percent of the surge revenue they have today. They have 0 percent COGS (costs of goods sold) against 88 percent revenue and they have no R&D expense and no ongoing cap ex. It’s sort of like unbelievable. You know, I don’t know what you say because they’re focused. But did they sell their search business? No, they get to keep 88 percent of the revenue. That sounds like they didn’t sell and I’m not selling against interests. I just think this was a win-win partnership.

And they (Yahoo) said yesterday that they expect their operating income to go up by $500 million on full implementation. Remember, this is a company that makes $700 million. So you’re talking about a 70 percent profit expansion just from doing the deal.

And Ballmer noted that folks aren’t accounting for potential increased market share, more ad liquidity and product improvements.

Do you get the deal yet? I do, but there’s a lot of regulatory and implementation wild cards before I can get as wound up about the Microsoft-Yahoo search deal as Ballmer does.

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RE: Ballmer on the Microsoft-Yahoo deal: 'Nobody gets it'
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I didn't really care. It's a better idea than Microsoft buying Yahoo
(from Microsoft's point of view.)

One day is too soon for the wisdom of the crowd to truly kick in (and I
am dubious about the concept any way.)

It looks to me as the initial reaction is that it wasn't a good deal for
Yahoo. 10 years seemed like a long time to me. I see Microsoft may
take back ad sales after five years. Now I'm just a simple country talk
backer, but that looks to me as though Yahoo's upside (ad sales) is
guaranteed for 5 years while its downside (I presume they pay to use
Bing) is guaranteed for ten years.

But, boy oh boy, the deal better work out for Yahoo, otherwise
"Nobody gets it" joins our long list of favorite Ballmerisms.

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Search will generate less revenue
LBiege 30th Jul 2009
... under this economy like every other consumer-oriented business. Americans are simply too broke to consume anymore, which means less and less online advertising. Goolge, M$ and Yahoo are fighting over a shrinking market. These guys need to think of a new source of income in order to survive the coming depreflation that will last for years (probably a decade).
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ABSOUTELY WRONG!!!
jjworleyeoe 30th Jul 2009
Googles "revenue in the first quarter rose just
6 percent to $5.51 billion from $5.2 billion a
year ago. First quarter growth was 42 percent
in 2008 and 63 percent in 2007." While flat
it's still increasing despite the worst
recession on record.

When the economy turns around at some point,
the flow of the total advertising pie will
continue to skew towards the Internet. As such,
it's absolutely ridiculous for ANYONE to say
that M$ should not be fighting tooth and nail
to increase it's search share. Now, holding
onto that immediate 28% market share and
growing it to say 35% in 12-18 months is a
totally different matter. However, it makes
absolutely now sense for M$ to concede the
search market to Google, Yahoo, et al. There's
simply too much future revenue at stake.

Like it or not, the search relevance of bing is
virtually on par with Google. Moreover, bing's
home page makes Google look like a joke, unless
you're part of the small % of people who want a
spartan 8.5 KB image as their search page.

Ultimately, this comes down to M$ executing on
changing the googling mindset, which though
difficult is something that's attainable in
terms of slow market share gains. For example,
if after two years M$ is able to grab 33% of
the market or a 5% increase, there's no reason
they can't grow that to 40%, which would then
position them to markedly increase their
revenue as more and more advertising $$$ move
to the web.
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When you stack two piles...
bjbrock 30th Jul 2009
of s..it together you just get a bigger pile of s..it.

Now you have two companies depending on the same less than stellar search engine. This will just provide less options for the market and drive more people to Google. Google's market share will increase overall and Yahoo's and MS' will decrease overall.

Yahoo's latest CEO has just sealed her fate. She will go the way of Yang and Yahoo's search share and thus revenues will tank. This move will cost both MS and Yahoo a lot of money and stock value while Google sets back and chuckles.
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I use BING and have no issues finding what I want online. I've swtched by browser search engine to Bing when it came out, as a test, and haven't noticed a drop off in search results.

This sounds like, "I hate Microsft so everything they do is say must be bad."
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Do you expect no results
chrome_slinky@... 30th Jul 2009
when you use Bing? The point is that Bing is not doing as good a job at being relevant.

There was a blind search provided by an MS employee, feeding criteria to all three, Bing, Google, and Yahoo. I tried it over 25 times, and the majority of times I chose the Yahoo results, before having found out they were provided by Yahoo.

Google came in second, Bing dead last.

Too bad Yahoo is giving up search, I was back to using them again, after a long time on Google.
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It is not clear to me....
Economister Updated - 30th Jul 2009
what will be left of Yahoo at the end of the ten years, when they can no longer use Bing. Ten years is a long time in the IT world I know, but will MS be able to pick up what is left of Yahoo for spare change at the end of the contract period? Will MS ultimately get what it wanted for almost nothing? Any thoughts?
what they've done, is it? They should have named this whatever-
it-is "partnership in the cloud.live.net" Then everybody would
have got it for sure.
The newly-hired Microsoft PR guy has his work cut out for him!
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Nobody understands because
GuidingLight Updated - 30th Jul 2009
in today's market, if it doesn't make money overnight, it is a failure.

It would seem the investores no longer understand the idea of a "long term strategy".
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Bingo
tikigawd 4th Aug 2009
And it's even funnier (not really) that people still don't get long-term invsting after said short-sightedness has brought us to where we are today...
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Of course...
mojorison67@... 8th Aug 2009
Of course, if people don't jump on board it's because they are just too stupid to understand. Not because it's a stupid idea. Unless the product improves (Bing) the situation is not going to change.
And now we've agreed to lose lots of money on Yahoo as
well. Great news for Yahoo!
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I Get It
jabailo1 30th Jul 2009
I get it...Microsoft lost.
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Then it appears
GuidingLight 30th Jul 2009
you have not gotten it.
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assuming...
Fark 30th Jul 2009
your education is not business related? While I find the 88% number high, it sounds like a good long term strategy to take on Google. MS cannot Saint George the Google dragon over night.
I hope MS gives Google a run for their money (as competition breeds excellence).
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because there really is no upside for Microsoft. They pay lots to deliver poorer search, which will be found out sure as the sun shines.

Ballmer will be found out to be the idiot we all knew he was/is, and his unnatural obsessions with search will begin his downfall.

The shareholders will lose confidence in both companies, shown in part yesterday by the drop in Yahoo stock.

Google wins by doing nothing.
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Anyone remember when Yahoo Search was "powered by Google", then Google flew solo and ended up dominating search?

Microsoft is pulling (yet another) "me too!" strategy. Now Yahoo search will be "powered by Bing!". However, all the parallels end there. When Yahoo was "powered by Google", Yahoo was still a force to be reckoned with. They had tons of market share and lots of potential.

After Google turned around a whooped Yahoo under the table and stole the "king of search" mantle from them, Yahoo has been absolutely irrelevant. Microsoft can't catapult Bing! off of Yahoo like Google was able to.

When Ballmer sits here and talks about how Yahoo is an internet media leader, I can't help but laugh because it shows just how clueless Ballmer is. The time of Yahoo as a "leader" of anything has come and gone. Everything Yahoo has, Google has done, and has done better, and gets more action. Yahoo hasn't innovated a damn thing since the dot-com bust. Even their "new" web page looks like it came from 1999-2000. Notice the complete lack of "Yahoooooooooo-o-ooooo" ads for the last 5 years? The most interaction people have with Yahoo is with Yahoo Messenger. That's it.

What we have, ultimately, are two low market share search engines teaming up. They'll make for one search engine that is still sub 20% share.

Microsoft will lose ad revenue by giving so much to Yahoo and get little-to-nothing in return. Meanwhile, Google will just laugh and keep on keepin' on.

This MSFT-Yahoo venture to try to "compete with" Google will officially die the day Google Wave comes out with a public beta.
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Yahoo is relevant
BigTipper Updated - 1st Aug 2009
Don't fail to realize that every successful company follows at some point. Every single one of them has had "me too" moments.

Just because you don't appreciate Yahoo does not mean that it is not relevant. On my PCs, the first page I see when I open a browser (Firefox or IE) is MyYahoo! page. While I don't use Yahoo discussion groups, an awful lot of people/organizations do.

As for Bing, I am using it more and more everyday, and several people I know (many who aren't even computer literate, and I'm not sure how they even found out about it) are trying Bing.

I always caution bloggers not to start believing that their thinking reflects the mindset of everyone else, and that applies to myself. I'm not suggesting that I represent any significant portion of the user population, but I don't think you should either.
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not sure...
mojorison67@... 8th Aug 2009
They got it because it was (correct me if I'm wrong) installed with a new install or upgrade of IE as the default homepage. Once again giving MS an advantage that they gained by means other than being the best option.
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I Get It...Microhoo Porn Bots
itanalyst2@... 31st Jul 2009
Now instead of Yahoo porn bots we'll have Microhoo Porn bots infiltrating our chat sessions.
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Maybe everyone gets it but Steve.
springerj 31st Jul 2009
n/t
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Microsoft doesn't get it. Companies and consumers have figured it out!
No More Microsoft Software Ever! 31st Jul 2009
MS is only out to get more money in their coffers. That's why Microsoft doesn't get MY money anymore. Why are they getting yours?
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I can see what Microsoft gets out of this deal, but the terms of the agreement are not so great for Yahoo in the long term (ie: after the first 5 years).

It reminds me of Compaq clinging to HP after unsuccessfully trying to eat DEC, only to discover in the end that their great-white-hope was in fact a great-white-shark and they had been eaten.

Will Yahoo go the way of Compaq, becoming little more than a label?

It's curious...

Regards,
Jon
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RE: Ballmer on the Microsoft-Yahoo deal: 'Nobody gets it'
BaltimoreBarry Updated - 4th Aug 2009
Stopgap; stop the hemmoraging, make Google and advertisers blink and think, be the best at SOMETHING.
I don't think I've heard a coherent presentation of Microsoft's long and short term goals for a long, long time.
* 80% OS share? Let's hear it.
* Azure Cloud business applications of 100125 Billion and a 60%-70%-80% share? Let's hear it.
*Consumer apps of ...what? 100 Billion incl. ISP revenue? Is that even mentioned?
What's the "vision?"
Others have one, I do, what's MS's Grail for 5-10 yeears?
Just look at the market size and the numbers to get a clue of what they SHOULD do.
At least in my not-so-humble opinion.
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We all get it I am worried ballmer does not?
The Management consultant Updated - 4th Aug 2009
MS monopoly on operating systems is over so revenue looks to in decline...ballmer thinks panic! let's do something afterall an average saleman would..buy anything with the money burning in his pocket...afterall the shareholders don't want to hear more bad news do they? This should buy some time with confusion before he is fired at least?

How to fix this? Get business professional in to run the company not ex salesman or techics..?
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