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Can any good come from putting IT tools into hands of everyday folks?

By | August 11, 2010, 2:15am PDT

Summary: A suite of free PC optimization products in the cloud sounds good in concept but may be giving consumers too much power in dangerous territory.

For years, computer users have been turning to each other on the Internet for technical help, largely in support forums. It’s there where people - presumably IT experts or enthusiasts - share tips, links and instructions on how to perform basic maintenance.

Now, a company called Slimware Utilities is looking to tap into the expertise of those same types of folks to populate a new cloud-based PC optimization product called SlimCleaner. Think of it like Yelp for IT. By rating files as good, bad or optional, the collective experts in the cloud can empower consumers to perform their own maintenance.

Mind you, these are all things that a consumer could have done in the past by surfing the support forums and clicking into forbidden territory deep into the computer’s file tree. With Slimware, those files and folders are all accessible right there for consumers, packaged in a fun, colorful user interface screen.

Does this sound dangerous to anyone else?

I’m not opposed to the idea of empowering consumers to keep their PCs clean and I certainly like the idea of bringing the expertise of the forums into a cloud-based interface that keeps the files in order. What concerns me is the idea of giving consumers the power to simply click a box and have a file or folder uninstalled from the PC.

The thing about the forums is that they not only gave us the tools that we needed to delete some files or install some updates, but they also educated us about the why, how and what next of a tech problem. warning us along the way of possible trouble spots.

If the Slimware products had been targeted at IT professionals, I might be less bothered that the products don’t have some sort of feature to educate and/or warn users that they’re starting to tinker with critical files. But this product is targeted at everyday consumers - the friends, family and neighbors who will eventually be calling their IT friends for help fixing whatever it is they messed up.

You know who you are.

Luckily, the products are all in beta, which gives the team the time it needs to incorporate some safeguards and educational features before it goes prime time with a paid version of the software suite sometime in the future.

Slimware launched its suite of products, which included SlimCleaner, at the Black Hat conference last month. Also in the suite is SlimDriver, which stabilizes and optimizes the connections between the PC and things like sound cards, printers, Bluetooth devices. Finally, SlimComputer is designed to remove unused, pre-installed software from new computers.


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RE: Can any good come from putting IT tools into hands of everyday folks?
tomlin21-24319035676893835085146735905770 11th Oct
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A little knowledge
AndyPagin 11th Aug 2010
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, and way too many people with minimal IT knowledge think they're experts. Projects like this just encourage that mindset.
@AndyPagin - agreed, 100%
@AndyPagin Elitist much? I suppose you were born to your exalted position as expert on expertise?
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That's not the point at all
naibeeru 12th Aug 2010
@nphyx
I didn't take his comments to be "elitist" at all. True, none of us starts out as an "expert". The point is that there are plenty of people out there who are "tinkerers", who never become "experts", but who very easily make a mess of their PCs. I come across them all the time, and they are painful to deal with - they have a smidge of knowledge, and a truckload of attitude! And let's face it - most people could care less about their "appliance" that they got from the chain store. And that's how they treat Windows PCs - as an appliance. And since one can't do much harm to an actual appliance, they figure the same with a Windows PC.

Andy Pagin is right in his statement - these "easy tools" with no safeguards give too much power to those who have no intention of being experts, but just want to "tinker" without thought for consequence.

Now, if a person is TRULY interested in getting to know their PC and bone-up on the intricacies, then great! But tinkerers and noobs wanting an easy fix without any care for consequences should not have access to these tools. Would I give a pneumatic nail gun to a 4 year old? No, I would not: I'd give him a few pieces of old wood, some small nails and a small hammer. Still plenty of scope for experimentation and a banged-up thumb, but no real possibility of doing serious harm. True? True. happy
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It can be dangerous, but also good
ronruble 11th Aug 2010
One reason there may be a market for such a product is that vendors have done such a pathetic job with reining in crapware. Look at the highlighted examples. Who the hell needs Acer Games, Acer Assist, or Acer Registration?

And hiding the crap does not prevent users from screwing up. Properly locating programs and data and establishing correct permissions and security policies does.

More products like this might encourage vendors to quit producing bigger crapware to shove on user's machines.
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The real question is ...
RationalGuy 11th Aug 2010
@ronruble

Who the hell needs Acer Games, Acer Assist, or Acer Registration?

Who the hell would buy an Acer?
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If it's cloud, it's questionable.
HypnoToad72 11th Aug 2010
If it's free, who only knows what the software is seeking and sifting through for their own profit.

The right tools for the right jobs, and the right people for the right jobs. 'Lowest Common Denominator' fluff is just an aspect of an idiocracy - the dumbing down of people in a society.
Heck why not, they'll make a bigger mess and call on us IT pros anyway wink
Is there a way to block this service? I really don't look forward to going to my neighbor's house to try to "fix" all of the things they might do with this online tool.
On the upside my neighbor does trade food for tech support and she is a great cook.
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Not exactly rocket science
kennyreilly Updated - 11th Aug 2010
It's pretty much a no-brainer. I have worked on computers for several thousand people over the years, and people are getting more computer-savvy every day. Most of my customers use software that is much more complicated than this, it's really not that difficult. The real issue here is that most "IT Pro's" think that everyone else is an idiot, and if you're not one of them then you're too stupid to take care of your computer. Probably 90% of my customers needed my help because of a serious issue (i.e. malware, failed HD, cracked LCD, etc.) and most everything else they figured out on their own. People really aren't as stupid as you think.
@kennyreilly
"People really aren't as stupid as you think."
Hmm, 26 years as an IT pro tend to make me disagree with that statement.
@AndyPagin I tend to agree. For instance, It amazes me everytime on a monday or after a holiday, the same set of people forget their password or their computer is "not working" because it's plugged out :?
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IT ego
trickytom2 Updated - 11th Aug 2010
@AndyPagin
"IT ego" is a very real and dangerous affectation.

A great number of IT professionals are of the "am I the only one here with a brain?" mentality. Much of it has to do with the fact that many IT professionals are not well-rounded individuals (sorry, its true). Many, not all, but many IT pros are wholly tech-centric individuls who enjoy belittling non-tech staff. In addition, many IT folks have very limited social-skills. They tend to limit their exposure to people in their own field; which fosters feelings of disasociation and inferiority. They compensate for these feelings by denegrating non-tech staff.

The posts about people being stupid because they forgot their password are great examples of very limited thinking. These are typical techs who believe that because they work with sophisticated systems, they can somehow insinuate themselves into a more sophisticated and intelligent group.

Stop acting like your're smart because you work on machines built by smart people.
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@kennyreilly
I'm glad your customers have a clue, because 99% of mine don't. Which is why they call me. They bought this "appliance" from the chain store where they sell washing machines and fridges, then discovered that Windows PCs aren't appliances at all!

I frequently get very basic questions because the bulk of people I come across and who need my services simply have NO idea about Windows - or computers in general! So much so, in fact, that I've spent 20 hours putting together a 14-page "General Computer Guide" (hand-typed, I might add - no copy and pasting!) for my customers to get them to understand things like left & right mouse buttons, what a CPU, RAM & HDD are etc.

Here's a classic case the exemplifies the people I come across almost daily: customer having probs with registering Avast (because she didn't understand what "click here to register" meant...), then said the mouse had stopped working. I told her to get someone else in the building to help, as I couldn't determine the mouse prob. She rang back 5 mins later - she had the mouse UPSIDE DOWN! She's only been using a computer for 5 years, and yet it took someone to point out that the mouse buttons were now on the bottom instead of the top for her to realise the mouse was upside down. And the guys making this software want to give people like her greater control over their Windows PCs? I think not.

So again, let's swap customers - you can have the people I deal with ringing up asking unbelievably "appliance"-type questions, not understanding the difference between the left & right mouse buttons (even though they've been told 10 or more times over the last 2-3 years), and I'll have your rocket scientists... wink
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I've found forums to be useless.
CobraA1 11th Aug 2010
I've found forums to be useless. Most of then want you to register, 95% of the time nobody even answers the question, much less give intelligible advice, and even when something is answered, it will often be a day later.

When it's a company forum especially, 99% of them don't have staff even looking at them, much less trying to work with users to get problems fixed.
@CobraA1

I have actually found forums to be quite useful. But there are certain sites that have a variety of forums, I visit and participate in regularly. Communities like: dslreports/broadband reports and Windows Secrets. One gets to know some of the folks there and vice versa.

I have also gotten good results Goggling my problem with whatever error phrase or select statement that describes what I am trying to solve. Often find the same question already answered in multiple forums.

my $.o2
When I first started using Linux, I hosed my system a number of times. I guess it's how I learn. Break stuff, then you've really little choice but to learn to fix it. Learning by brute force I guess you'd call it. Not for everyone, but it's worked for me.
Dangerous to whom? How? If someone messes something up, chances are there was already something messed up before - so reluctant "computer guy" just has a different problem to "help" with, not more of a problem. How often do people jack up their computers up using HijackThis? It's free and easily found on a bazillion software sites, and it's deadly to a Windoz box if used improperly, but I imagine you don't get a lot of phone calls from friends and neighbors saying, "I clicked this thingie in Hijack This and now my PC won't turn on". Same scenario here. You have to actually know what this thing is to go find and use it and if you know that chances are you have at least a smidgen of an idea of what you're doing. It's not going to suddenly explode on the consumer scene any more than CCleaner did. And if it does, oh well - if they mess things up and we don't fix it for them, they'll go have the whole system douched at Best Buy for $90. Problem solved.
It seems that, more often than we'd like to admit, placing IT tools in the hands of IT "professionals" turns into a total goat screw. How much worse can "amateurs" do than the worse you've seen the pros do?
It's less dangerous than putting 1500 pounds of steel going 60 miles per hour in the hands of a 16-year-old, but that happens every day. Apparently the risk is acceptable to many people if not to all.
Downloaded, installed and ran the "Slim" Cleaner, Computer and Drivers on a test machine. On Cleaner and Computer saw nothing new that is not covered by other longstanding free programs - Crap Cleaner, WinPatrol, Hijack This, etc. Before deleting or changing anything, it prompts to create a restore point.

Cleaner and Computer did not really find anything, as I had just run Crap Cleaner on this machine. It did flag some programs that are needed for this laptop to run. The GUI is purty, if you like that kind of thing. I can do without.

It did reveal startup programs and services, where one could mess up w/o trying hard.

Drivers - that is a crapshoot, I would not trust it. This machine has a modem in it, that we have not had a need to load drivers. The slim program mis-identified the modem make, manufacture and model.

Plus these programs are just part of the static of all the other utility programs out there and it may be hard to market this to end users amongst all the noise.

Like my Auto Mechanic says about DIY'ers, let them try to fix it themselves, they ultimately will screw up, as they are not tooled to take on today's cars needs. He will make more money correcting/undoing the mistakes and then charge for the actual repairs.

Now when I am presented with problems created by these programs, I know how they work and what to expect.
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@AndyPagin ... until you die. Some people stop in the middle for lack of interest (I would not call them "idiots") or delegate that to other people who they trust ("professionals" - true or self-appointed).
Before I could run I learned to walk; before that I strugled to crawl. Today I prefer to use my car if I need to go far. But I won't forget my first experience with motoring: first ride on the motorbike ended between dustbins 20m from releasing the clutch. My father helped me to try again immediately after that. My legs were not long enough to reach the ground on both sides at the same time!
My first experience with DOS command was with FDISK on 3-day old computer costing me almost full salary (maybe more, my memory is not good any more). I did it "to full extent of capability" of the command if you know what I mean (DOS 2.x time).
From the next day I built my knowledge to the point where I am today, recognized by others who know less. They are not "idiots" - they dedicated *their* time to learn other sets of skills. My choice was - well - MY CHOICE.
A lot of my experience came from trying new things - programs prove their worth when used. Many of them fail very early.
Most users appreciate the advice to avoid specific utilities (or parts of them) if you explain hidden dangers. True professional knows which tool to use in specific situation, he will also manage with something less than optimal (shifting spanner or pair of pliers in emergency - continuing my parallels with mechanical horses).
Many tools evolve over the time. I hope that this one will do as well - to the benefit of many who do not have too high demands, can't afford (professional) support or simply prefer to learn by trying. That was the way how progress has been achieved in the past.
Not everybody was born as a "genius" --- or an "idiot". There is room for everything - and the most of it is "on top".
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