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Larry Dignan, Andrew Nusca and Rachel King

Can Apple really sue Google or Microsoft for using its patented sliding on/off switch?

By | November 1, 2011, 3:00am PDT

Summary: Yes, but Apple probably won’t. Here’s why.

A violation of Apple's slide to open patent!?

A violation of Apple's slide to open patent!?

In last week’s episode of “Can you top this dumb patent?” we discovered that Apple had patented the design element of sliding to unlock a device. Gosh, and I recall my grandpa’s front gate having a slide-to-unlock device in the 60s! Boy those Apple guys had to get up early in the morning to invent that one

Sarcasm aside, does” every Android device now infringe this Apple patent?” Or, for that matter, every Windows 8 device? Well, yes, they probably do. But does that mean that Apple is really going to be using this patent to sue everyone and anyone who uses the slide metaphor in their design? I asked some prominent intellectual property (IP) lawyers about it and this is what they said.

Thomas Carey, a partner at Sunstein, a major intellectual property (IP) law firm and chair of its Business Department, said that, “In this particular case, it appears that there is prior art that may render the patent invalid.” Carey points out that this video of the Neonode N1m device at the 4 minute mark appears to pre-date Apple’s devices.

“However,” Carey continued, “The Apple patent claims refer to a touch screen, which is not what the device in the video contains. Nonetheless, applying the same technique to a touch screen would seem obvious. Hence, invalidity.  (The priority date on the patent is 12/23/2005, which comes after the date of the Neonode N1m.)”

If Apple were to sue someone with this patent, Carey suspects Microsoft, rather than Google and its Android partners, might be targeted. After all, “Apple has had its innovations ripped off by Microsoft for years, so you would surely expect them to start seeking patent protection for their innovations.”

Even so, Daniel Ravicher, an attorney and executive director of the Public Patent Foundation, doesn’t see Apple suing anyone with this particular patent. “Getting a silly patent takes a few thousand dollars and can stealthily contribute to quantity metrics. Deciding to assert a silly patent in litigation takes a few million dollars and can’t hide from quality requirements. I doubt they’d ever assert this patent.”

So, the consensus seems to be that this particular patent won’t be seen used in anger inside a courtroom any time soon. Other dumb patents, that’s another matter. With patents likes these, the mobile patent wars look certain to go on for years—decades—more. Now, just so long as no lawyer comes to my grandpa’s old door I guess I can put up with it.

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RE: Can Apple really sue Google or Microsoft for using its patented sliding on/off switch?
visionary6 9th Dec
I love sarcasim ....it brings the truth out so quickly...Absurdty...
In the end when all the smoke clears on all these patents who it the one loosing......Yes.... You are right ..you and me and our freedom of choice to drive the real market..
Companies will always be suing each others on something in court . I just hope soon those who cross the line and bring it to choices in the market place ...we will say Enough ! Perhaps when you see your bottom line you may understand you both have great companies and ingenius things but if no one buys it ...it is worth $0.00 and it will reflect that for your companies
iOS5 infringes on Microsoft's patent from early 2010 of taking a photo from the iOS device while phone is locked. This was first shown/patented and still is available on Windows Phone. Microsoft has stock pile of patents they can throw at Apple which are most prob infringing. Doubted if Microsoft and Apple will ever sue each other as they have a patent cross licensing deal anyways.
@techwhizard
that patent sounds even more stupid than this one...

but...
its not about the title of the patent, but the content... about the actual method they describe, which can often be very different than the way the title sounds.
That allows so many silly patents.

Who are the people that approve these?

That's the problem that needs to be addressed.
@techwhizard
Exactly. I haven't seen Microsoft and Apple suing each other much lately. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
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@techwhizard Apple will sue just because they are (insert derogative here). Come on, they sued for a design by modifying the aspect ratio on paper in the Samsung case, they impersonated the police to recover a phone, and they sued over being able to touch a screen with two fingers. They are IP scum. They'd sue over a round cornered icon if they could be awarded the patent. I think Apple has shown their lack of intelligence and class by making a mockery of the international government patent offices to date, so why would we suspect this would be any different? The only reason they haven't sued Microsoft yet is because they aren't really a threat to their market share at the moment.
@thoiness
True, but look at what Microsoft is doing to Android ODM's and OEM's -- they're basically going around to everyone in the industry who's involved with android and saying, if you don't agree to pay us and sign a license agreement, we're going to sue you -- and all those companies have said it's cheaper for them to pay microsoft than it would be to be take to court and lose. Microsoft finds ways to win even when they lose (Windows Phone 7 has virtually no market share yet they make money every time an android phone is made). happy
@surge3@... That's true, but it could be worse. Apple has publicly stated that they won't go the route that Microsoft went with licensing of these ridiculous patents, because essentially, they want Android dead. Microsoft could have gone that route, but chose not to (thankfully). Not saying that Microsoft's interference is acceptable, just saying that Apple is not out to penalize or profit, but they are out to DESTROY their competition through frivolous patents. Apple's goal is not to compete, but to have no competitors. That's what makes these patent issues a bigger deal than the ones Microsoft holds.
@thoiness

Apple are not as mindless as you picture them with regards to patents. It is obvious that they want to reduce the willingness of others to copycat their designs and apparently so far are successful in this.

They have no problem to sue Microsoft, if it meets their goals -- which is to have the best on the market. Not related to the 'share' of the market.

But for Android, things are funny. Apple has declared a war at Android. Android vendors by now understand, they are in big trouble because they were misled by Google to base their services on this apparently infringing on other's IP OS. Then comes Microsoft, who simply tells them they have to pay them -- or risk being sued. If those vendors were that confident of their righteousness they would simply deny... but... Apple is doing good job.

As always, it's Microsoft who steals the money. happy
@danbi That's a fanatic answer. Anyone who believes this is Apple just recovering IP is a fanatic. They'd patent the power button if the patent office would give it to them and sue everyone who came within an inch of their market share.

This isn't about market share? Then why didn't Apple start this years ago when Google didn't have the edge on market share?

This is all about recovering IP by thieving Google? Right, which is why Apple had the gonads to show up to an international court with doctored photos of the Samsung Tab?

Microsoft went after the money, which is what most businesses do. They will find a way to make a profit off a neighboring company. Apple isn't most companies, they use a doorknob on a door, patent it, and then sue to eliminate any competing door manufacturers that use a turn to open mechanism.

Like I said, any non-fanatic can see what is really going on here if they've paid attention to the trend. Apple isn't even hiding the fact they want the competition eliminated (not shrunk, not paying royalties, but eliminated). Apple is not competing, they are out to remove their competitors. And you'd be insulting our intelligence to tell us that Apple would not try to eliminate Microsoft from the market if they were to become equal with Apple, unless of course Microsoft had the means to crush them under the weight of counter-patents. It's OBVIOUS what they are doing. Fanatics amaze me with their obliviousness.

As many of my colleagues and I have discussed, all eyes were focused on Microsoft for the longest time as being the largest "evil" corporation. Now, surprisingly, it turns out Microsoft never even dreamed of being a fraction of the Draconian overlord Apple has turned out to be with the way they have been running their Apple ecosystem and the anti-competitive practices they have begun to unleash.

Apple will not stop until Android is off the market, and if they can get away with it, they will patent the power button and replace all our electronic devices (I know, you fanatics would welcome that change and call it "recovering stolen IP" or "good business").

How you people even try to pass off Apple as a victim is comical to say the least.
@danbi You know what amazes me even more? Is this cult like following that Apple has whereby everything Apple does is either out of victimization, or out of some higher purpose. This is a distinct characteristic of an Apple fanatic, and is rarely found in any other culture (unless you delve into the religious world). I'm starting to think Apple should have been headquartered in Waco.

I'd also like to hear from a fanatic the justification for the doctoring of photos, and while we're at it, the impersonation and above the law tactics that were employed to recover their equipment, which they carelessly left at a bar?
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@thoiness
I too am constantly impressed at how Apple has managed to maintain its victim status while at the same time becoming the biggest, baddest, strongest, richest company in the world.

There is nothing about Apple that makes it the victim in any way.
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Do you realize ...
imalugnut 1st Nov
@thoiness ... that your rant about Apple fanatics sounds suspiciously like the same kind of irrational rants made by Android fanatics?

I'm not attempting to justify Apple's patent litigation efforts. I don't really have to: they have the legal right to do what they're doing, because they applied for and were granted various patents. Some are undoubtedly rubbish and will never stand up in court, once challenged. But the point is: they were granted the patents, and that gives them the right to defend them.

As for Apple's intentions to destroy Android ... that was, indeed, one of Steve Jobs' quests. But it wasn't just blind fury: Jobs vowed to fight Android because Google CEO Eric Schmidt was on Apple's Board of Directors and took proprietary Apple info back to Google and used it to radically change the product plans for Android, converting it from a Blackberry-like experience to a very iPhone-like UI. To Jobs, this was not only bad business ethics, it was personal.

But that doesn't really matter, because, again, Apple has the right to defend the patents that it was _legally_ (though not necessarily _correctly_) granted.

And one of the funny things about being a patent holder is that you are not required to license your technology to anyone, not for any amount of money. Alternatively, you can choose to license it to anyone and everyone for no money at all. Or you can settle somewhere in the middle: license it to a few companies that can afford to pay a very big fee. It all depends on which plan best suits your needs.

Apple, of course, doesn't state that it's officially trying to eliminate Android. It's official line is that it simply doesn't want anyone else using its proprietary IP, but that it's more than happy to compete with folks who design original products.

Obviously, this isn't seen as a friendly strategy by Android fans. But so far, Apple's strategy of fighting Android in court doesn't seem to be stopping Android from growing, so it doesn't seem like there's much to worry about.
I make it a habit to boycott the products of tech patent trolls.

I took a long look at the iPhone 4S and found it attractive albeit a poor value proposition. Fortunately Apple made the decision for me.
@surge34...exactly...it would be more expensive to go to court and lose. And all those companies being sued have very good lawyers and have determined that the likelihood of them losing to Microsoft in court is high enough to warrant a settlement. In other words, Microsoft's case has merit.
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Bruizer 1st Nov
Apple started protecting their innovations from theft years ago. Long before Android's rise to high market share.

Google attempts to dismantle all incentives to innovation and force it to grind to a halt by their blatant theft of both copyright and patent IP. But the gSheep don't really care.
@danbi: That's for showing your fanboi "colors" with the statement "As always, it's Microsoft who steals the money." Last I looked, Microsoft hasn't been in the news lately regarding patent infringements compared to Apple or Google. Apple may not be going after Google because their case could be weak. As for Microsoft, Windows 8 hasn't even come out yet. They can't take them to cour that is still not been finalized. Or maybe Apple's lawyers are too busy with all those other lawsuits [against and for them].
@danbi

You have your facts wrong... Apple is not suing any OEMs over any IP infringed on by Android. Apple's lawsuits against the OEMS are over hardware not software patent violations which Google has no part in or influence on the OEMs for. If Apple has any legitimate claims of IP infringement at the OS level they should launch a lawsuit against Google itself. Apple's outrage at Android phones "imitating" their own is pretty baseless considering prior art and obviousness. The way it reads is that Apple considers that any rectangular, thin computing device that has a wireless data connection, icons and a touch screen is a copycat and infringing on their design. This claim does not stand up to scrutiny for anyone who has a recollection that dates back past ten years (before the first (IPhone). Except for 3G/4G data connectivity which Apple holds no patents for and multi-touch which, in concept, is merely the natural and obvious evolution of touchscreen technology (which Apple did not invent) only the methodology of Apple's touch screen circuitry is patentable, not the concept. The other OEMs multi-touch mechanisms differ and yet Apple still sues over the concept.

Google didn't mislead anyone into basing their "services" on infringing technology and the majority of Apple's lawsuits have nothing to do with the Android OS Apple is using their patent crusade punitively to punish any manufacturer for daring to develop and sell an Android phone. Most of their lawsuits are not related to the Android OS at all. Get your facts straight.
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Microsoft and Apple.
DreyerSmit 1st Nov
@techwhizard I agree, Microsoft and Apple have for years worked together, and Apple tried and failed to sue Microsoft in the past. So I don't think they will go at it again. Apple is a lucrative business for Microsoft, and Microsoft builds software for Apple. They're a perfect example of competitors working together to take out Google.
@DreyerSmit

Google is by far the biggest competitor to Apple on the mobile market and Jobs had a stick up his butt after a top IOS developer left Apple for Google. Also Google and its partners are more vulnerable to patent lawsuits having few patents to defend itself with. Microsoft, on the other hand, could crush Apple in a patent war on all fronts. Apple would probably love to go to war with Microsoft but it knows very well what the outcome would be.
Fact: Until the first iPhone and its operating system were introduced, NO ONE other than Apple used the slide to unlock gesture and design for unlocking a mobile device.

Fact: Apple was granted a patent for this technique to protect it from being copied by others.

Fact: Every other mobile operating system that followed the iPhone copied the patented slide to unlock gesture.

Just because everyone else is infringing this patent, does not make it right to do so.

There are many alternative possible ways to use unique gestures to unlock a mobile device. But competitors have not taken the path to coming up with an original idea for their operating systems.
@Rama.NET

For some reason, my post has been deleted.

Anyway, no, neither Claim 1 nor Claim 4 contain the word 'horizontal.'
@Harvey Lubin ...Right that's why windows 8 has picture pins, and android has their dot password thing. Not everyone says "slide here to unlock" and the "fact" that someone had the Patent before Apple doesn't make it "Right" for them to use it either.
@Harvey Lubin: Unsubstansiated claim: "Fact: Until the first iPhone and its operating system were introduced, NO ONE other than Apple used the slide to unlock gesture and design for unlocking a mobile device."

Fact: Neonode.

"Fact: Apple was granted a patent for this technique to protect it from being copied by others."

Fact: It's a stupid patent. It shouldn't have been granted.

"Fact: Every other mobile operating system that followed the iPhone copied the patented slide to unlock gesture."

Fact: Nokia N9, some HTC phones, many alternative lock screens for Android, etc, proves otherwise.
@Harvey Lubin

Fact: Apple applied for this ridiculous patent which experts agree would not likely stand up in court a patent dispute.

Fact: This patent was only recently granted to Apple and, due to its dubious nature, other mobile operating systems had no reason to avoid using the method of slide to unlock on their own devices as the only way Apple would have ever received the patent was if the patent system was broken.

Fact: the other mobile operating systems were relatively unconcerned enough about the consequences of applying such an obvious method of unlocking your phone that they "copied" this design element with impunity rather than come up with a "creative" alternative method of quickly unlocking your touchscreen that wouldn't result accidental unlocking.
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@techwhizard
since he was sure to find a "patent expert" that would feel that Microsoft, rather than Google and its Android partners, might be targeted. After all, ???Apple has had its innovations ripped off by Microsoft for years, so you would surely expect them to start seeking patent protection for their innovations., even though Apple (Steve Jobs) clearly stated that "Android is a stolen product", and Google is in court against Oracle for Stealing code for Android.

No, it's obvious that Apple wouldn't bother trying to sue MS (and you could be right about the cross licensing thing), but they have no problem suing Google/Android, going on what Appelk is doing, and what Jobs had stated.

Scary times for Android, that's much is certain.
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Agreed.
John Zern 1st Nov
@William Farrell

Android is the operating system being named in suits.

Microsoft has little to fear from Apple. Google on the other hand has much to fear.
@techwhizard
"Thomas Carey, a partner at Sunstein, a major intellectual property (IP) law firm and chair of its Business Department, said that, ???In this particular case, it appears that there is prior art that may render the patent invalid.??? ....."

Yeah, yeah, Have you guys looked at the patent lawsuits these days. Companies are suing Apple saying they have a patent on video, or audio, or transfering files.... and want millions from Apple.... Getting the patents is stupid and a waste of time except for making it much harder for these patent trolls to sue you.

Take a look at the real world. There are crazy people out there and they keep winning these stupid suits when they should be thrown out of court.

Just a thought.

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Apple patented the use of a slider UI element to unlock a device. Microsoft does not use a UI slider at all: the lock screen bounces on touch indicating that it slides, and users can just slide it up. No UI element at all. As for Androids, they do have a UI element in the shape of a lock that 'slides'. In order to avoid the patent infringement, they could just remove that element and let the screen slide without it. Is a really, really dumb patent, because a slider is nothing that Apple has 'invented', it was ported from real life and as a UI it still requires users to learn how to operate it and it even requires text explanation, so is a bad UI design also.
@ckeledjian ISTR that the patent refers to an icon and a horizontal swipe.

As you say, Windows Phone 7 would be safe. My htc requires me to swipe a ring vertically upwards, or one of 4 app icons downwards into the ring. The Samsung TouchWiz works like WP7, but horizontally.

These 3, at least, seem to be safe from a patent covering horizontally swipining an icon (or UI element)...
@wright_is

The patent doesn't specify a horizontal swipe.
@msalzberg I stand corrected, it is the illustration which defined a horizontal swipe.

The patent actually says "Das Ger??t zeigt ein oder mehrere Muster mit Hinweis auf die auszuf??hrende vordefinierte Geste an, um das Ger??t zu entsperren."

So my comments stand, more or less. Samsung's TouchWiz and Windows Phone should be safe (the device doesn't display an image defining the movement required). The htc does display an image, which has to be manipulated, but the image doesn't define the movement required...
Ups, sorry, just seen I included a German quote...

"The device displays one or more unlock images with respect to which the predefined gesture is to be performed in order to unlock the device"
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@wright_is
Out of all the ridiculous patents that Apple has, this one actually is quite specific and quite easy to work around. Most Android lock screens and the WP7 lock screen actually do not violate this patent which is why I don't think we'll see any action from Apple in this case.

The other reason why we might not see any action from Apple in this case is that when Apple sued Samsung in the Netherlands, the judge specifically highlighted this patent as being very likely invalid and that it should be taken away from Apple. While that ruling has no legal effect in any US courtroom, it might make Apple think twice about using it too aggressively.
@msalzberg
It does, Claim 1 and Claim 4 specifically mention that. You could argue that that was an example, but the opening paragraph of patent stresses it out, UI Element with horizontal swipe by touching the UI Element continously across while unlocking. WP7 doesn't need continous hold of he screen just push the screen just up with single touch and once the screens starts moving you can lift off your finger from the screen. Also it is not UI element, it is a wallpaper.
My Windows phone has an unlock button you press to start the unlock process, no swipe, no drag anything, press the unlock button once.
@Rama.NET

Apparently my posts are being deleted as fast as I can reread the blog happy

No, none of the claims mention a horizontal swipe. The claims ARE the actual patent; what follows is merely explanation.
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I have noticed that, also
John Zern 1st Nov
@msalzberg

Posts are being deleted as fast as they can be reread.

It is evident that ZDNet has a serious issue with their web pages.
"Apple has had its innovations ripped off by Microsoft for years..."

Err, I think that's arguable. And Apple aren't exactly shy at ripping off other people's ideas. How about Xerox for starters.
@serendipity24

Apple had permission from Xerox. Apple gave Xerox stock to use their ideas, under the protests of Xerox's engineers.
@serendipity24

Ah, the Xerox myth.

Please do an internet search on "Apple and Xerox myth" and the search result will direct you to an abundant amount of articles written on this subject.

For example, one such article begins, "Whenever Apple tries to protect its intellectual property (this week Apple sued HTC for patent infringement of patented iPhone technology), there will be few people who parrot variation of this myth: ???Apple stole GUI from PARC / Xerox.???

The Apple stole GUI myths contain these components:
???- Theft of intellectual property by Apple???
- Implying that Apple plagiarized the code and overall functionality of Xerox PARC GUI for the Macintosh
???- Number of mini-myths and variations"

All those search result articles will state convincing arguments rebutting the "Xerox Myth".

Please read them. Being a parrot of bad information is not something that I would wish to aspire to, IMO. I don't believe you wish to be a bad parrot either.
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Something to consider
toddybottom 1st Nov
What all those "mythbusters" fail to mention is that Xerox actually did sue Apple for stealing their GUI. They did not win (it was thrown out on a technicality but it was still thrown out) but that isn't the point. All these mythbusters try to paint a picture that Apple paid Xerox and Xerox gave them a tour and permission to use their stuff and that everything was fine. The truth is that Xerox feels Apple stole from them. Clearly, Apple did not steal from Xerox since Apple won their court case (on a technicality) but the root of the "Apple stole from Xerox" discussion is the fact that Xerox actually did accuse Apple of stealing from them.

Don't get me wrong, Apple did what Apple needs to do. They saw an opportunity to get something and like any ruthless competitor, they grabbed it. Good for them. That is the way the markets are supposed to work.
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A link for you
toddybottom 1st Nov
In case you had trouble finding it:
http://www.nytimes.com/1989/12/15/business/company-news-xerox-sues-apple-computer-over-macintosh-copyright.html

"Xerox contends that the Lisa and Macintosh software stems from work originally done by Xerox scientists and that it was used by Apple without permission."

I must stress that I'm not suggesting Apple actually did steal this because a court ruled that Apple did not. However, that same argument also proves that MS did not steal from Apple because a court ruled against Apple and in favor of MS in Apple's GUI lawsuit. Either you respect the court's ability to make the right decision or you don't. If you don't then you have to accept the argument that Apple actually did steam from Xerox regardless of what a court decided.
@toddybottom

I disagree with your premise that it's not theft because the courts ruled one way or the other. Courts often get it wrong. They get it wrong so often that we have local district, circuit, and federal courts for layered redundancy because they get it wrong that often. Even then, they still err. I think Apple didn't steal the GUI, because I agree with the courts reason in their decision, with the argument of the defense, and believe the veracity of the prior works. I think that any rational person that applies the same reasoning to Apple v. Xerox then and Apple v. everyone now, will find that Apple's claims now are just as invalid as Xerox's then.
@toddybottom

The fact of the matter is that the Xerox interface and the MacOS interface had little in common. Xerox didn't use menu bars, overlapping windows that could refresh themselves or drag and drop. Xerox required a three button mouse; Apple used a one button mouse. The trash can (recycle bin)? Sorry, Apple came up with that one.
msalzberg: Please note that pointing out areas where Apple did not copy the GUI does not mean that other parts weren't copied. Still, that wasn't the point of my post as I made very clear but you chose to ignore. That's fine, you have this irrational hatred of me, I've come to expect no more than irrational responses from you.

What is accurate and backed up by the facts is that Xerox felt Apple stole the GUI from Xerox just like Apple felt that MS stole the GUI from apple. What is also accurate is that Apple did not steal the GUI from Xerox and MS did not steal the GUI from Apple. Those are the facts. They are undeniable. Everything else is conjecture on the part of Apple fanbois.
@toddybottom

Other than the parts of the UI that you actually interface with, which are completely different, what parts of the Xerox interface are the same as the MacOS interface? You keep claiming that Apple ruthlessly stole the Xerox interface, and yet they didn't work the same.
@msalzberg
If you want to get technical they stole the idea of the mouse as a pointing device, the number of buttons is irrelevant. There were other ways a pointing device could have been designed, track balls, touch pads, stylus. They copied the mouse. It's a rather basic aspect of the interface however the windows on the screen refresh or overlap.
toddybottom: "Clearly, Apple did not steal from Xerox"
toddybottom: "I must stress that I'm not suggesting Apple actually did steal this"
toddybottom: "What is also accurate is that Apple did not steal the GUI from Xerox"
msalzberg: "You keep claiming that Apple ruthlessly stole the Xerox interface"

I don't have any more time to waste on your stupidity.
I love sarcasim ....it brings the truth out so quickly...Absurdty...
In the end when all the smoke clears on all these patents who it the one loosing......Yes.... You are right ..you and me and our freedom of choice to drive the real market..
Companies will always be suing each others on something in court . I just hope soon those who cross the line and bring it to choices in the market place ...we will say Enough ! Perhaps when you see your bottom line you may understand you both have great companies and ingenius things but if no one buys it ...it is worth $0.00 and it will reflect that for your companies

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