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Larry Dignan, Andrew Nusca and Rachel King

Can Microsoft, Yahoo and Amazon help scuttle Google's book settlement?

By | August 21, 2009, 4:37am PDT

Microsoft, Yahoo and Amazon are reportedly joining the Internet Archive and other non-profit groups to dismantle Google’s book settlement with publishers and authors.

According to the Wall Street Journal, New York Times and others, the group of tech giants and library groups will be co-led by Gary Reback, a central lawyer in the Department of Justice’s antitrust investigation against Microsoft.

What’s unclear is whether the collective weight of Google’s rivals is enough to scuttle the $125 million deal. Google argues that it is merely making out of print books available to the masses. Those against the deal say Google is getting too much power over copyrighted works. The Department of Justice also has an inquiry into the settlement, which still needs court approval.

In October 2008, Google and The Authors Guild, the Association of American Publishers settled a book scanning lawsuit for $125 million. Under the settlement, Google gets to scan books as long as it offers the ability to purchase them, provide institutional subscriptions and give authors and publishers control over access to their works.

The bigger question here boils down to one question: Does Google have too much power? Clearly, Microsoft, Yahoo and Amazon are downright squeamish about allowing Google to become a book gatekeeper. Wouldn’t a non-profit entity funded by the industry be a better choice?

There is no definitive answer, but rivals will increasingly serve to be a counterweight against the search giant. Think Microsoft in the 1990s. Anyone not named Microsoft joined forces to keep the software giant in check.

That’s why this book settlement handwringing may just be the first volley in a long string of skirmishes for Google. You’ll be hearing a lot more about the power of Google. Microsoft and Yahoo has made Google’s clout the centerpiece of their search deal.

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oldbaritone 31st Aug 2009
making out-of-print and no-longer-available books available to the masses? Curio shops are full of them, as are "rare" book shops and the like.

Oh, maybe it's that Google doesn't want to censor what goes out, and control which books are available and which are not. They just want to generate revenue.

Access to information makes it a little more difficult to re-write history with impunity, when it's easy to do research using materials written during the period.

hmmm...
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... Law, like Patent & Trademark Law needs some serious revisions. No one wants any one entity to have too much power. After all, shouldn't Paul McCartney own the rights to his own works instead of the Michael Jackson estate? (Except of course, that when he was young, and poor struggling artist, he unwittingly sold his rights away - like so many others.)

In the end, Amazon & Microsoft accusing Google is a little like the pot calling the kettle black.
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Control
bigpicture 21st Aug 2009
As far as I understand this issue Google will have
very little legal control of the content apart from
making it available to the public. Providing a
convenient means of access to material that has little
commercial value (maybe some cultural value) and
whose copyright restrictions are a long way from
placing it in Public Domain. It will cost Google
about $1.00 or more to digitize each book and this
will provide both a service to the public and the
authors. I believe the authors get to set their own
price and retain about 65% of what they charge
which might generate some sales if the price is right.
A huge profit maker for Google???
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The purpose of blocking Google here
symbolset 21st Aug 2009
Google's purpose here is not just to make money - but to insure continued access to out-of-print books. It's easy enough to presume that they're engaged in this work because they LIKE books. Naturally this terrifies institutions like Amazon that include as part of their business model consigning the wisdom of the past to oblivion in order to continue to sell new books.

The public is not well served by putting all the information published five years ago into the shredder.
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What do MS and Yahoo care?
Caggles 21st Aug 2009
I can certainly understand Amazon's stake in this. I don't know much about the Google settlement, so I won't pass judgment on it.

What I'm wondering is the PR reason MS and Yahoo are claiming to be going after Google. They have no stake in books. I know it's probably a "let's all hate on Google" thing, but they wouldn't tell the public that. So my question is, why do they (claim to) care?
Authors and their heritors should be paid.

But, most books that have been published are no longer available. Most of the scientific literature is unavailable to those who can't pay a huge amount of money, though here the publisher not the author gets paid.

It should not be beyond the wit of Man to invent an equitable solution: a few cents for each copy that would not normally be requested because too expensive?
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I think ppl are missing the point
kaninelupus 21st Aug 2009
Has little to do with what Google are offering (at least on the surface), but:

A) Is this just further empowering another giant by extending public dependence upon them (remember that one of the main gripes thrown about regarding MS is how they apparently lock you in)

B) While it is in itself a great idea, do we really trust Google to be the one implementing it?

C) It is hardly a profit-free enterprise, as everything Google does becomes a platform for their ad-sense empire. Does Google really need another forum for that??
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What's wrong with
oldbaritone 31st Aug 2009
making out-of-print and no-longer-available books available to the masses? Curio shops are full of them, as are "rare" book shops and the like.

Oh, maybe it's that Google doesn't want to censor what goes out, and control which books are available and which are not. They just want to generate revenue.

Access to information makes it a little more difficult to re-write history with impunity, when it's easy to do research using materials written during the period.

hmmm...

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