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Did Ballmer leave the door ajar for Windows Phone 7 tablet?

By | October 21, 2010, 9:12am PDT

Summary: Reading the tea leaves, it sure sounds like Microsoft is at least open to a Windows Phone 7 powered tablet. That’s a move that would make a lot of sense.

Perhaps Microsoft isn’t so stubborn about Windows 7 tablets after all. Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer may have just left himself an out to pave the way for a Windows Phone 7 tablet. The official line is that Microsoft will not offer a Windows Phone 7 tablet.

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Ballmer, speaking at the Gartner Symposium in Orlando, was set up for a rough keynote from the beginning. A video of tech exec questions all asked whether Microsoft could compete with Apple on the iPad and iPhone. Gartner analyst John Pescatore noted that “no one is lining up in the snow to get that hot new Windows phone and there’s no hit movie about SharePoint.”

Gartner set up the interview as a consumer/enterprise dueling banjos sort of thing. The big topic was Windows Phone 7 whether it could appeal to both the business and consumer markets. Naturally tablets came up. When asked about whether there would be a Windows Phone 7 tablet instead of a Windows 7 slate, Ballmer held up a WP7 phone and said:

“This is Windows too. Could be this Windows or another Windows. There are technical details I’m not getting into today. We get multiple experiences.”

Microsoft has officially said that there will be no Windows Phone 7 tablet. Indeed, Ballmer could have been referring to Windows embedded and Windows 7 on tablets. However, Ballmer seemed to indicate that Windows Phone 7 would be a possibility—or at least that experience. The Gartner analysts had noted they wanted the Windows Phone 7 experience on a tablet.

Reading the tea leaves, it sure sounds like Microsoft is at least open to a Windows Phone 7 powered tablet. That’s a move that would make a lot of sense. Windows Phone 7 appears to be much more suited to tablet use. And if Microsoft can leverage its PowerPoint franchise, a WP7 tablet could be a winner. Instead, Microsoft seems to be force-feeding Windows 7 on the tablet form factor.

Ballmer was cagey throughout the interview about tablets, which were a big focus at the Gartner conference. On Windows tablet availability, Ballmer said:

“I’m not giving any specifics today at the Gartner conference. If you push me too hard I may do it tomorrow at a Forrester conference. There will be some by the holiday season. You’ll continue to see an evolution of devices over the next several months. As get new OakTrail processor from Intel, you’ll see form factors take off. The key is long battery life and “we need help with both the hardware and software.”

The conversation about Windows Phone 7 continued. “With Windows Phone 7 we expect minimal level of hardware capability. You’ll get a diversity of phones,” said Ballmer.

Ballmer was then asked about how Windows Phone 7 would be judged. Ballmer seemed to indicate that patience would be a virtue and sales wouldn’t be the big focus per se. However, he did quip at the end of his talk that he’d love 40 percent to 50 percent market share. Here’s what Ballmer wants Windows Phone 7 to be a year from now:

  • An option for consumers. Consumers will think about Windows Phone 7 devices.
  • A platform with a growing app market.
  • Something that has a clear market response.
  • Things will be coherent. Ballmer said he agreed with Apple Steve Jobs’ take that Android was incoherent. Ballmer didn’t mention Jobs by name, but it was clear who he was talking about.

In other words, Microsoft is planning for the long haul with WP7. Other nuggets from the keynote.

  • Ballmer was asked to address Windows Phone 7. The enterprise wants Bitlocker and systems management. The consumer wants a fashion statement. How will Microsoft meet both demands. Ballmer said the question was “weird.” But said “we are better equipped to delight the consumer and give the enterprise what it wants. We’re going to do both.” The Windows Phone 7 experience is wonderful and consistency will be key. “We have a lot of work to do to get back in the game deliberately,” said Ballmer.
  • Does deliberately mean slow? Ballmer said that consumer fads don’t come every year. “Fast being early is important. Improvements are super important. Do I wish we shipped Windows Phone 7 a year earlier? Of course, I do,” said Ballmer. But Ballmer said that Microsoft is on the right path.
  • On the next generation of Windows 7, Ballmer said the PC will continue to evolve. “People are going to use the exciting devices that help them get the job done and in their personal lives,” he said. The PC market isn’t dead, Ballmer said.
  • “Statistically, the PC has gained share. Windows PC have gained share. Does that mean that people are not confronting Macs and iPads into work. Having to deal with that is important part of your job and our job. We’ve moved to that direction (of supporting multiple devices).”
  • Regarding the cloud transition, Ballmer said there is tension regarding moving to the cloud. “The answer here is good architecture. Extensible that allows for dynamic work. Migrate to bulk of work that goes on in the enterprise. We’re deliberately thinking through Office 365 and big bang releases and updates with a more regular cadence,” said Ballmer.
  • Ballmer punked Gartner over a question about the BPOS to Office 365 transition. Ballmer said: “BPOS was a name. BPOS wasn’t the best marketing name Microsoft has ever done.”
  • Should Microsoft break up its consumer-enterprise business? Ballmer panned a Goldman Sachs idea to spin-out the consumer unit. Ballmer said Windows is Microsoft’s biggest consumer product. “When people say nutty things like Goldman you ask what part of Windows would you like to spin out? There is no rationale. The reuse of technology across the consumer and enterprise is the way forward,” said Ballmer.  He added that Linux and Android is reused for both markets with the same code base—just like Windows.  The idea that Microsoft should spin out a consumer business “is next to crazy.” “It’s next to the craziest discussion I’ve ever had.” People will ask for what they buy with their own money at work. “Cool starts at home,” said Ballmer.
  • Riskiest product bet by Microsoft: Next release of Windows.
  • Privacy in the cloud? “Achievable,” said Ballmer. “People are going to insist on privacy in the cloud.”
  • Next big hit from Microsoft? Windows Phone 7 will be $1 billion plus, said Ballmer.
  • Biggest gee-whiz Microsoft product is Xbox Kinect.
  • What’s the lead strategy? Silverlight, HTML 5 or buying Adobe? “The world is going HTML5,” said Ballmer. “The world is pushing toward HTML5.” Silverlight will be for client apps on mobile, PCs and cross platform. “We’re dedicated to Silverlight with a little different concept.”
  • The cloud is the biggest thing in 2011 for the enterprise. “We’re all in,” said Microsoft. “And we’re hearing you’re all in. The market is moving very quickly.”
  • Ray Ozzie’s departure won’t change Microsoft’s cloud vision. “That vision is our company strategy,” said Ballmer.
  • On Microsoft’s CEO succession plan, Ballmer said “I have plenty of energy.” “You have to be resilient. If I ever thought the company would be better off without me I’d leave that day,” he said.

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RE: Did Ballmer leave the door ajar for Windows Phone 7 tablet?
mitalidevar123 11th Oct
I will be happy to announce more examples if I were you. It is running good so far. bateriafina Just keep improving the features.
They do not like to compete where they do not have a monopoly.
@DonnieBoy They do not have an monopoly on smartphones, yet they are competing with Windows Phone 7. Weak argument.
@eracca How are they competing they just started to sell them ???
zone, and, doing miserably in mobile phones. If they do a WP7 tablet they will also be WAY out of their comfort zone.
I see, you remove features from the full OS X, and add to iOS. What do we get? A middle of the line ipad bag blog of best sutudeg community the modern education news and OS.
Apple is doing it right, merging all of their OSes to work across all platforms...Macbook, Macbook Air, iPhone, iPad, iPod digipro-audiovisuel is the lost djxm in front of quennie if you know cress-inc that is great bilfingerberger-bot can not see Touch..
@eracca Runtimes like Silverlight and Flash do a least provide some means to estimate the *likely* performance of apps when deployed across different hardware.

It is true that Microsoft have found a home for Silverlight as the (near) default platform for Windows Phone apps but don't forget that much of Silverlight is based on WPF which, if you attend developer workshops for Windows 7 development, is seen as a preferred platform for client development.

Update: This is quite an interesting discussion: araba oyunlari
@eracca There shouldn't be a significant cross-browser gap in 2D rendering performance by the time IE9 is released. Chrome 7 has already been released with GPU-driven 2D acceleration, and Firefox 4's latest betas support it as well.
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I will be happy to announce more examples if I were you. It is running good so far. bateriafina Just keep improving the features.
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Really? So what explains
John Zern 21st Oct 2010
the XBox, WP7, Zune, ect. DonnieBoy?
No monopoly, yet they still started competing, and by putting out a great product, no less.
might not be any better accepted than Kin. In any case, with all of these, they are way out of their comfort zone.
@John Zern Thanks for sharing. i really appreciate it that you shared with us such a informative post..
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@John Zern
hmmm, companies started without competitors --- sooner or later they will have one.
when they didnt have a monopoly before
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@Johnny Vegas Well lets see
MP3 players No monopoly with Zune
Phones(pre win 7) No monopoly
Gaming XBOX 360 No monopoly
Tablet PC No monopoly
everywhere else. Milking the two old monopolies for so long, they have lost the ability to innovate.

MS is currently way out of their comfort zone when they have to compete on the merits.
@DonnieBoy,
"They only have two monopolies, and they are very old. They have failed everywhere else"

So have MS failed with SharePoint, Exchange and Windows Server 2008? From what I know, those markets are very competitive and MS still ahead vs the competition. So it looks like MS has been successful in markets where have to keep competitive.
monopoly prices, and have made very little on Exchange compared to Window and MS Office. Their share of the server market is very low, Sharepoint has had some succes, but, again makes them very little money compared to MS Office and Windows.
@DonnieBoy,
"Exchange is old, and they had some success"

I found and interesting info, that will help you clarify Exchange market share,

"Microsoft Exchange has at least three times the users of Notes with enterprises with 500 or more users"
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9126118/Au_contraire_Exchange_s_lead_over_Notes_actually_getting_bigger_and_bigger_says_Gartner?intsrc=news_ts_head

And you call that "some success"?

"Their share of the server market is very low",
Stats don't agree with you,
http://blogs.computerworld.com/15675/idc_windows_dominates_linux_in_servers_not_just_the_desktop

"Sharepoint has had some succes, but, again makes them very little money compared to MS Office and Windows."

Maybe SP makes less than Office and Windows, still $1.3billion is not "little money", don't you think?
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9139543/Is_Microsoft_s_SharePoint_unstoppable_or_mostly_smoke_and_mirrors_

So it looks like MS can be strong without being a monopoly...
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Nonsense, just look at Playstation.
hagimal 14th Dec 2010
@DonnieBoy Microsoft has incredible tenasity. Other companies have given up competing with Google. Nobody is doing it, except for Bing. Playstation was the ruler in the console market. Xbox came and took half their share. Sharepoint came out of nowhere, and is increasing in popularity still. Hotmail is not beaten by Gmail, yet. Azure is successful, and a very viable stratergy from the benemoth company.

One major point with Microsoft's approach, is that they always assume that there will be a lot of people out in the world, who do work, -that Microsoft wants to happen with a relationship to Microsoft products. This does not go for Apple (except for skin/case manufacturers etc. for ipod), or for Google. In other words, there are millions of people for whom choosing Microsoft's attitude will benefit them.

Within this stratergy, there is also a very important aspect of the fact that NOT EVERYTHING WILL HAPPEN IN THE CLOUD. Microsoft is the only company who makes this statement. They say devices will get slimmer, but also more powerful, and able to do more.
@DonnieBoy And accessing a movie from the console menu is more convenient than rifling through your physical collection, carrying the box back to the device, opening the case realizing your lazy kid never put the disc back inside and then going through all your cases and loose discs to find out where it is.
@DonnieBoy an autonomous car that is actually practical. Also, Google is doing something very interesting here in tapping their cloud infrastructure. Notice that they hired engineers from previous automated vehicle competitions - thus funding some bright engineers to keep the technology advancing.
@DonnieBoy
This is what I like about competition - we got the best technology but they got lots of money....
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Ballmer Has ZERO Vision
cyberslammer 21st Oct 2010
Apple is doing it right, merging all of their OSes to work across all platforms...Macbook, Macbook Air, iPhone, iPad, iPod Touch.....these will all eventually be cross-platform compatible and all within the next year or so...Microsoft? Yeah, let's just keep it all separate....

Ballmer has about as much vision as a blind man in the Indy 500.
@cyberslammer How do you merge iOS with OS X? I see, you remove features from the full OS X, and add to iOS. What do we get? A middle of the line OS. That's stupid.
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Microsoft is an embarrassment
gjafg 21st Oct 2010
@cyberslammer - It has been embarrassing to see Ballmer's inept tablet strategy. It was awful to watch the YouTube video of a guy struggling to use a Windows-7 tablet, as the apps weren't designed for a multi-touch interface. Ballmer not only has no vision, but his decisions are a total embarrassment to the company.
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HTML5
hagimal 14th Dec 2010
@cyberslammer Microsoft is gonna be first-to market with HTML5 marketplace. Byebye iOS app-model.
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At least Ballmer is aware of the competition and has Microsoft doing something about it. Everyone seems too concerned about pads and tablets. Microsoft should just release the WP7 and then let the OEMs take it from there. Then they could spend more time improving and innovating with their current Windows and WP7 line up. More importantly he knows the direction he wants to take Microsoft with WP7.
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If stock prices are any indication over the past 10
Snooki_smoosh_smoosh 21st Oct 2010
@Loverock Davidson... years, that would be nowhere or down. Microsoft hasn't had any substantial growth in over a decade.
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JM1981.
@Loverock Davidson Do any of your posts have any credibility?

Pads and tablets are where it's going...as usual you lack the same vision as Ballmer.
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No
Cylon Centurion 21st Oct 2010
@Loverock Davidson

He doesn't.
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with a tablet version of the metro shell? makes no sense...
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with a tablet version of the metro shell? makes no sense...
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This is what I think they shoul do too.
Cylon Centurion 21st Oct 2010
@Johnny Vegas

It wouldn't be too hard to slim down Windows to the kernel, and add the needed functions for a tablet device, and leave out all the rest.
Why do you think they will suddenly figure it out?
There are millions that want tablets without Windows 7 (Win32), and will pay a premium for them.

That is a big problem for Microsoft.
@DonnieBoy
Hey here is an idea. You seem to know more about Windows than anybody, including the Windows folks. So, why don't you push Mr. Ballmer out and let us see you visions for Microsoft. You should hove no problem comprting with a "inept" CEO. What say you, DB???
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His_Shadow 21st Oct 2010
There will be no Win 7 tablet. A desktop OS makes for a **** tablet. That ship has sailed. Move on.
Ballmer is a Jar. Jar Head that is. His Jar is full of Soylent Green
As usual, posts that have nothing to do with the blog. How do we know Balmer has "no vision." Do any of us know Balmer personally? Of course not. DonnieBoy would you please post another stupid comment about microsoft's comfort zone? Why don't you enlighten us all on your vast inside knowledge that you must have for a company you've never worked for or even stepped foot in.

Cyberslammer, Loverock's comments may not be wrong. How do any of us know if tablets/pads are a fad or hear to stay? Right now they are pretty much high priced ebook readers/weak laptops without a physical keyboard. There are times where a physical keyboard is a must. Some people like to actually play Cd/DVD's which is too bad for a ipad user.
Easily...the iPad is only popular because there are no compeditors. The iPad is weak and limited. I look forward to all of the slates that are coming out and one with phone7 OS will be interesting.
Hmm, the should either create a WP7 Tablet or a Windows 7 tablet with a WP7 UI !!
Gates had no better vision than Ballmer and he was heavily involved in the company till 2008 and I am sure he is available to discuss company strategy.

The fact of the matter is that Gates got a desktop monopoly in the late 80's with brilliant business strategy but Microsoft product were always terrible. Only now with Windows 7, WP7 and IE9 do they have products that are above decent. Ballmer is no worse than Gates was in terms of vision.
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Ballmer Out
Frank Poster 22nd Oct 2010
If I were a major shareholder of M$ i would be demanding that Ballmer now steps down. For sure he has been a major part of M$ success over the decades, but he is now clearly out of touch and way behind the competition. Certain ideas are only just now sinking into his head, it will be years before they could be successfully implemented and already now it is too late, let alone in a few years.

I am not being vindictive, and he may still have a role to play as an adviser to the company, but Bill needs to come back off his sabbatical, grab the company by the scruff of its neck, inject some vision and get a much better CEO in and a replacement for Ozzie. And it does not need to be big name outsiders, there could be some very capable people inside, possibly, but with a new fresh mindset.

And no, they don't need to go aping Apple, they need to get smarter than Apple and ahead of them.
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iWaste
Frank Poster 22nd Oct 2010
The problem that Ballmer and M$ need to overcome is that of not simply emulating Apple, they need to outsmart them in many ways.

For example, the majority of Apple users that I know are already after 6 months foaming at the mouth for the next device. They are obsessed. Apple is fanning the flames of consumerism ?gone mad?. The world cannot sustain such a waste of resources and the world cannot sustain such selfishness. For me, iWaste is a more appropriate label.

Sure we all want useful, nice to look at devices, but I want my phone, laptop, PC, TV and other devices to last several years, at least 3 and ideally 5+ years. Then I want to be able to ensure that my device gets fully recycled and that a new device is made only from recycled materials.

I have some older PCs now that will not run on Win 7, but rather than throwing them away they continue to run, safely and securely with Linux Mint installed, a great OS. For example M$ could continue to make old versions of XP available either directly or open-sourcing them to allow the community to keep on enhancing their security and functions.

Sounds a bit crazy I know, but I think M$ can be an enabler of best business practices and even offer something to the community for free, unlike the rich, selfish, closed, exclusivity of Apple. MS can also avoid falling to the latest fashion fad such as quite useless iPad that does very little but is expensive, and not-so-useful iPhones which try to do everything, but are difficult to use compared to other devices for their primary function of being a phone. Instead they need to improve the tablet interface a little, and get Win 7 mobile multi-tasking and getting all the missing phone features back again from previous versions of Win mobile.

Bottom line is that M$ do have the opportunity to keep on representing a more common sense approach to technology and still delivering good returns for their shareholders. But I am not at all convinced that Ballmer is the person to do it.
Look.
Competition is good. It is great news that Apple had an huge sucess with the iPhone. And that Google strived in the search business. And it is obvious that even though Microsoft was in the cloud way before Google and was on smarthphones way before Apple, this two companies have really given Microsoft a beating. But Microsoft is an extremely resourful company. In my opinion the new Windows Live cloud services are better in many ways than Google cloud services. Windows Live Maps and bing search are really getting some very interesting features not available at all in Google services. As for mobile, even though Windows Phone 7 is the first version of a new OS, it already has quite a few nice touches. Very good integration with the cloud. Nice clean interface and all. If Microsoft can put out updates quickly, I'm sure that they'll be able to catch up with the competition just as Google Android has with Apple's iOS.
I agree, it won't be easy. In fact, in my opinion, the company that will really be hard to beat is Google. Their mobile platform is not only feature rich. It gives developers and companies endless possibilities. The user interface can be completely revamped to look like an iPhone or windows Phone 7 if Google wanted to. Just check ROMS like MIUI and you'll get a sense of the power of this platform.
But still, it is too early to tell who will dominate the new platform wars.
While I really like my Samsung Focus, I would rather have Windows 7 on a tablet so I can really get work done. I can carry/review documents on the phone OS, but I would rather have the full office when using a larger screen. Even other phone apps just can't compete with PC apps on the larger platform.

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