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Did HP save Palm with acquisition? Or did it save itself?

By | April 29, 2010, 2:15am PDT

Summary: HP saves the day for Palm, but don’t forget about the benefits for HP, as well.

At first glance, HP looks like a savior for coming in and saving Palm from its inevitable demise.

After all, it’s no secret that Palm has been struggling to gain traction despite the standing ovation it received at the unveiling of WebOS and the Palm Pre at CES 2009. But the world of mobile has gone through quite a bit of change in that time - iPhone became an even hotter seller; Android hit the scene hard with a lineup of devices and carrier partners; Microsoft’s Windows Mobile 7, as well as Research in Motion’s Blackberry 6, are just about ready for prime time. And, globally, devices with a new Symbian smartphone OS are expected before year’s end.

OK, so Palm needed HP. But what about HP? What did it need?

Also see: iPhone growth magnifies global smartphone potential

Obviously, it needed a smartphone strategy. The company, which has largely relied on Microsoft to power its devices in the past, was pretty much a non-player in the smartphone game. How much longer was HP going to be able to hold out as a smartphone player, given the growth potential there? Sure, as an innovator, HP could have gone back into the labs and started working on the hardware - and maybe even a mobile OS that it could shape and mold - to get in the game. But how long would that have taken?

And then there’s the tablet/netbook game. A mobile OS - tweaked from one that powers smartphones to one that powers tablet PCs - was something else that HP needed if it was going to break away from the delays and licensing restrictions imposed by Microsoft.

In essence, that’s what it got - hardware, software, engineering talent and carrier partners, among other things - with the $1.2 billion it’s dropping to get Palm.

Sure, there are naysayers who will argue that HP paid too much for a company that was in over its head and desperately in need of a buyer. Forrester Research Mobile analyst Charles Golvin, for example, said that HP was right to jump into the mobile game - but was wrong to do so by acquiring Palm. He said:

Palm could be valued for its brand, its intellectual property, its platform, or its people. HP doesn’t need the Palm brand; the IP helps an existing player not a new entrant; we don’t think the WebOS platform is viable long term in the face of its competition; and HP could sweep up Palm’s people individually at a much lower price. HP needs a strong presence in mobile, but Palm doesn’t deliver that.

Maybe there’s something in Silicon Valley’s water that makes me see things in another light, from the glass half-full perspective. There’s a can-do spirit within Silicon Valley that isn’t always apparent to those who aren’t actually here. Palm is a company that’s been sold, revived, split in half and brought back together against all odds. HP has gone through its share of internal turmoil, as well, but has maintained its brand equity through it.

Maybe it’s not just the spirit but also the competitive drive - and possibly some personal vendetta - that makes these two Silicon Valley brand names want to go after and beat one of the other iconic names in these parts: Apple.

In a blog post that examines the HP-Palm deal, analyst Rob Enderle notes how hard feelings and memories of being scorned has created a common “Beat Apple” mentality. He writes:

Both companies have a deep desire to beat Apple, because Apple has consistently made fools of both firms. This creates a common goal that should keep the resulting combined company focused. And HP doesn’t require the massive gross margins that Apple needs to survive given the firm and potential pricing advantage as well. If HP can engage Apple in a price war the same way it did with Dell, Apple would be at a severe disadvantage. But first they need a truly competitive product.

Beating Apple will not be easy - Apple has a huge headstart and great momentum. Done right, though, HP could become a mobile contender almost overnight. Enderle continues:

HP has tablet and smartphone display technology in-house that I spoke of previously, an eBook reader, and a set of media management tools that are potentially unmatched in the market out of their lab. Along with the Palm IP, these tools could give them an incredible advantage, if they can execute. That “if” has proven to be a formidable barrier for anyone, including HP and Palm, when it comes to competing with Apple.

To hear HP executives talk about the acquisition, there’s definitely optimism in the air. With some emphasis in his voice, HP VP Todd Bradley said on a conference call yesterday that the company plans to “invest heavily” in the development of the mobile business and will “go aggressively” to market. The company expects to see “solid growth,” as well, he said.

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RE: Did HP save Palm with acquisition? Or did it save itself?
yarinsiz Updated - 11th May 2011
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Great OS for tablets
linuser 29th Apr 2010
HP clearly recognizes that a heavy Windows desktop OS on tablets will not cut it.

Tablet devices, as demonstrated by Apple's iPad, need to be:
- simple & intuitive
- touch-optimized
- low/no maintenance
- instant/always on
- very responsive
- low cost
- resource optimized (CPU, memory, battery, ...)

Aside from a great UI, local applications for WebOS are even developed using web programming technologies (HTML5, JavaScript, CSS, ...). This makes it relatively straight forward for developers to build WebOS applications that are:
1. entirely local
2. partially local, partially web
3. entirely web

I'm an Android fan, but I can definitely appreciate WebOS's potential. Hopefully, it will get more traction, with HP behind it.
would be a disaster. And, they still have not
yet cancelled the Win7 tablet in the pipeline.

The question is, how soon can HP get a sexy Arm
based tablet out the door? The Palm engineers
will have the OS ready faster than the hardware.
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Why?
voyager529 29th Apr 2010
Pray tell, why is Win7 on a tablet a disaster? Personally, it's what I've been waiting for - a tablet that can run Photoshop. But I'm in the minority, so let's ignore that for a minute.

Further down the thread, you comment that WinMo is dead. In it's pure, unadulterated form, WinMo 6.5 is okay-at-best, and I can understand why it didn't take off. WinMo of yesteryear is even worse...ugh...toothpick-sized close buttons...was ANY normal person given one of these to play with?

That said, have you tried a WinMo phone with SPB MobileShell or HTC's SenseUI? I've only used SenseUI myself, and I'll admit that it doesn't have the same pick-up-and-play feel to it that the iPhone does, but it takes all of 10 minutes to figure out how to use TouchFLO 3D, if that. The calendar is really nice, dare I say nicer than that of the iPhone. I love the Facebook integration and MyPhone backup service, and that's just the out of the box stuff.

The point I'm making isn't to be a shill for MS (though I know that I'll inevitably be read as such), but that if HP can put a solid alternate shell on top of Win7 and run that, it COULD work. Using Windows as a base layer makes lots of other things possible, like a USB stack and compatibility with basically anything I plug into it. Would native Win7 work on a tablet? It probably wouldn't generate the mass market appeal that HP is gunning for with the slate. Would it work as a baseline as to not have to reinvent the wheel? I think it could.

finally, who's to say that they can't coexist? Apple can keep the iPad in the consumer market, but slap a barcode reader on the back of the Slate. Get a few inventory management and medical software vendors on board with apps to leverage the larger screen, throw in an AS/400 emulator, and market the heck out of it to every warehouse and hospital that's currently using Windows Mobile devices, and watch the stock price go through the roof.

Joey
Those will be replaced by Windows Phone 7,
which will be a day late and dollar short, and
have almost no applications.

Meanwhile, iPhone and Android phone growth is
exploding, so that MS will have a very hard
time convincing handset manufactures and
carriers to pay royalties on Windows Phone 7
instead of just going with tried and true
Android, which has many more applications.

And, MS has yet to even announce that they will
make Windows Phone 7 for tablets. Windows Phone
7 based tablets are probably a year and a half
away (if ever), and by then, iPad and Android
tablets will be entrenched.

Windows 7 on tablets is a joke. Who besides HP
is even planning on one? Will HP cancel the
Windows 7 tablet now that they have WebOS?

Microsoft is toast in mobile.
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Time will tell...and we now have it recorded...
ItsTheBottomLine 29th Apr 2010
though hearing you say it's toast is usually a good sign that it's not.
space. They are a day late and a dollar short,
meanwhile, their competitors getting all the
headlines, and only laughter for Microsoft
mobile operating systems.
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Why is Win7 on a tablet a disaster?
barefoot1976 29th Apr 2010
Because they can't get it 'thin' enough to stop killing battery life! And don't get me wrong here! I have AND LOVE Win7 on my PC's and laptop! I'll take it any day over Apple or Linux's current offerings! But on a tablet, battery life and speed of application load times are key! WebOS can beat the pants off of Apple AND Windows on a tablet RIGHT NOW! All HP needs to do is shove their vast resources at it to take the OS into the next level territory! And a Slate with a camera and a 'pop-out' stand could make it a perfect webcam and video conferencing tool!
HP needs to hit the ground running with this acquisition FAST! You guys are right in that the longer Apple is the ONLY one to market with a tablet, the harder it becomes to play catch up!
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history of tablets since 1888
mswift@... 29th Apr 2010
the comment that Apple is the only tablet provider is wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tablet_PC

The first US patent on capturing pen strokes was in 1888
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Because...
hawks5999 29th Apr 2010
As the OP said: Win7 doesn't meet the following
list of tablet requirements:

- simple & intuitive
- touch-optimized
- low/no maintenance
- instant/always on
- very responsive
- low cost
- resource optimized (CPU, memory, battery,
...)

And you aren't in the minority by wanting
Photoshop on a tablet - you are in the margin
of error.
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Yeah, Really!!
barefoot1976 Updated - 29th Apr 2010
I've been using Photoshop from the days that it had to buy out Aldus to get their Photostyler, and the mere thoughts of porting Photoshop to a tablet? Unh....Ain't gonna happen! (or at least anytime soon this century!) wink
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Prediction: Slate good for healthcare
Clinical_IT 29th Apr 2010
Joey

Very good point about the Slate for the healthcare arena. Hospitals are currently struggling to find the right device for Point of care data entry. Currently they have 2 options. Motion Computing C5. crap! and Panasonic H1 outrageously priced. Slap on a barcode reader for BCMA and hot swap batteries for nurses and life is good. The Slate and Healtcare good fit if priced under $500.
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I agree...
barefoot1976 29th Apr 2010
Around here they still carry around the old Fujitsu tablet swivel PC's that run on 'gulp' Windows 2000! I'm not sure what program they use on it, but my cardiologist friend (who is also an electronics buff) says they are constantly having trouble with it! I asked why didn't they upgrade to at least XP if not Windows 7, and He tells me that the software won't run on anything BUT 2000!

My Thought is if HP could get the vendor to redeploy for a Win7 OR a WebOS tablet (which my friend says they don't want to do) BOOM!! Sales to every medical facility in the country and maybe more! I know for a fact that the in home health care nurses and every facility that uses this Fujitsu tablet I've ever met, hates their current system! I think this vendor is lazy! Not wanting to rewrite software for a modern system is hurting your clients because they are trying to keep old; abused; and dilapidated equipment going BECAUSE OF YOU!
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I kinda find that hard to believe. That may be some FUD he was sold along with the PC..

Truth is, unless the app checks the OS version every time it's run, it shouldn't care what it's running on. Anyone who programs that kind of check into their app is a greedy bastard.

Odds are, if there isn't a version check, it can run under Win XP or Vista or even Win 7. It might require a compatability setting.
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Only 2k
ngtwolf 29th Apr 2010
I don't know this persons case, but I can
comment on this since I know how large
enterprises and healthcare work. What most
likely is happening is the device is only
'SUPPORTED' on windows 2000. Most likely the
application could work on xp (there could be compatibility issues with vista or win 7 so I
won't comment on that). Unfortunately, being
in critical care, you typically need to use
software in the method and platform it created.
Otherwise, is something happens (a patient
dies, for instance) because of an inaccuracy in
the software, the legal department for that
software can claim that it wasn't used
properly. Vendors also will not support
technical issues on platforms they do not
support. It may be all FUD, but thats the way
it is.
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Well I would assume that
barefoot1976 29th Apr 2010
you understand that the program was tried and wouldn't run correctly on an XP unit, and as another poster said, the vendor won't support it with anything else. Remember the Doc not only works on hearts, he is a computer buff.
And on a side note: I have games that won't run in XP but will Windows 98! Compatibility mode doesn't work; different video configurations don't work and the vendor couldn't get them to work! (They didn't expect someone to try, as they were for Win-95!) wink
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Slate/Motion Computing/H1
ngtwolf Updated - 29th Apr 2010
The problem with the new tablets and non
healthcare tablets and the reason they still
use crappy Panasonic or Motion Computing style
tablets is that its the form factor you need.
I'd love to see something like the ipad tablet
in healthcare if they solved two things. 1, it
does need stylus support. You shouldn't -need-
or even be required to use a stylus, but it
does need to be on the device for signatures or
notetaking. Also, while I hate resistive touch
screens, at the moment that is the only
technology for touch that works with gloves.
To test, put a latex glove on and try to
control your iphone or ipad. happy
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I agree Win 7 is fine for tablets
gadgetlover 29th Apr 2010
I agree with your comment
about Windows 7 being fine
for tablets. I have a Win 7
tablet, a Win 7 convertible,
and have owned Vista, and XP
tablets / convertibles as
well. I enjoy, and want
desktop Windows on a tablet.
For my needs, the mobile OS
on a tablet is too
restricted. (The key in
that sentence is "my
needs", I realize all our
needs are different.) The
first thing I do with any
tablet is increase the size
of the UI elements using the
standard Windows screen
option feature to a finger
friendly size for me. I now
have a tablet / convertible
with the same interface as
my desktop machine, and most
importantly, can run the
same desktop apps without
worrying about file
conversions etc. The
convertible manufacturer
added a UI layer with huge
icons like you indicated. I
prefer the standard
interface with the larger UI
elements over the custom UI,
but also realize many would
prefer the custom UI added
by the tablet manufacturer.

With the new Flash beta,
Flash is fine on both
machines, and Silverlight
plays fine as well. I
realize we all have
different needs, but for me,
a desktop class OS is what I
want on a tablet. If you
want less, Android tablets,
or the iPad fit the bill.

When I increase the size of
the UI elements, the scroll
bar is wider, and finger
friendly. I realize flick /
kinetic scrolling is trendy
today, but that gets old for
me after about two flicks on
the same page. I prefer
scroll bar navigation
because it is quicker, more
accurate, and more efficient
than the flick scrolling.
Using the standard scrollbar
navigation of a quick tap
below the scroll thumb, I
quickly advance one page.
Before you dismiss my
comment, try widening your
scroll bar, and using
standard scroll bar
navigation.

I have a different opinion
with WinMo. I am a huge
WinMo fan because before 7,
WinMo was the mobile OS that
met my needs best. The
small close box etc. were
designed for stylus input,
and are a fine size for
that. When WinMo was
prevalent on PDA's, VGA 4"
screens were common, and I
rarely used a stylus with
those devices even with the
standard WinMo interface.
When SmartPhones became
popular, the screen sizes
dropped, and the UI elements
became even smaller, but
again were designed for
stylus input. Fortunately,
there have always been
skins, and other UI tweaks
available for those that
wanted a more finger
friendly interface. My
smartphone has TouchFlo 3D,
and I like it, but on my
older VGA PDAs which I still
use, I keep the standard
WinMo interface customized
with Pocket Plus. Although
I have tried Mobile Shell,
and it is nice, I usually
end up back with the
standard interface
customized to my liking with
Pocket Plus. It works best
for me, and is finger-
friendly on the 4" screen
devices. I am not as stylus
hostile as some other users.
I realize others like the
more flashy, animated,
finger friendly interfaces,
and I certainly respect
that. One of the things I
liked about the pre-7 WinMo
was you could customize
WinMo to your liking. If
you did not like the
standard interface, there
are many UI skins, and
utility options to change it
to your preference.

I don't like the new
controls being instituted
with WinMo 7. The things I
like about the OS are being
eliminated, or severly
hindered. Since MS
abandoned the power users, I
may be abandoning Windows
Mobile for Android.
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Uhh...You have a Windows 7 Tablet? Who's?
barefoot1976 29th Apr 2010
Or did you take and load a 'standard' version of Windows 7 on an old tablet? All of the Win7 tablets aren't scheduled for release until starting in June!
You (and not saying you are wrong here) are in the minority here, when it comes to Windows Mobile and the new OS's! But I agree, to each his own! I am over 60 yrs old and with my eyesight getting weaker every year, I still can read email on my Pre, because I can stretch the text out to readable size!
A Modern Tablet running a full version of Windows 7, would have to have a lot of power! A LOT! To get such a device would be at a cost that would rival gaming laptops! Not practical for the masses! The ideal would be a tablet that has a sleek OS that is fast, yet takes little resources to run, and has a decent price. WebOS fits the bill! And if some vendors get the urge to port their existing software to it? Next-level stuff! It wouldn't take much for Firefox to be ported, as well as Thunderbird. Adobe reader already there! Open Office could be!
Look for HP to use their vast relationships to that end!
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Already have a Win 7 tablet, and a Win 7 Convertible
gadgetlover Updated - 29th Apr 2010
I purchased the Archos 9
tablet which was released
before the iPad was even
announced if my memory
serves me right, and it runs
Windows 7 Starter. I also
have an ASUS T91MT which
runs Windows 7 Home Premium,
and I purchased this
convertible before the iPad
was released. In both
cases, the experience has
been much better than the
reviews on the tech sites,
and cost about the same
as the low end iPad yet do
so much more of the
functions I want a tablet to
do. Again, the important
words are "functions I
want a tablet to do".

Some tech site
reviews diss the
small UI elements, and
flick scrolling response
with the Win 7 tablets.
They do not mention
that every version of
Windows I can remember has a
built-in setting to change
the UI elements to a
comfortable size for your
finger size, and scroll bar
navigation gives you an
accurate page down with a
single
light tap on the larger
scroll bar vs. the flashier,
yet less accurate flick
scrolling they salivate
over.

With the latest graphic
drivers, and Flash 10.1,
Flash plays ok on both
devices although I would not
call them a Flash workhorse.

I am in my 60's as well, and
a large font for comfortable
reading is important for me
as well. The browsers, and
other apps. have a text size
setting so I always can read
the web, and local documents
with a comfortable reading
font with proper text flow.
Based on testing single
column webpages on the iPad
at
BB, the iPad has similar
problems to the iPhone in
displaying some single
column pages with a font
size large enough to read
without horizontal
scrolling, or using a
bookmarklet for each page.
The font may be slightly
larger than the same page on
the iPhone due to the larger
screen, but it still
displays with too small a
font size for comfortable
reading even after a double
tap zoom. Yes, you can
always pinch zoom, but that
does not reflow text, and
you have to horizontally
scroll to read each line, or
invoke a bookmarklet.

Battery life is not an
important factor for me
since the only devices I
carry with me daily are
under a pound as I get
older. I use my tablets in
the house, or in a hotel
when traveling. For longer
sessions, I will be using a
larger screen desktop, or
laptop. I don't want to lug
an iPad, or netbook, or
laptop around due to their
bulk and / or weight. For
the younger reading this
post, you'll know what I
mean when you get older.

So for about the same price
as a low end iPad, I have a
machine that does the tasks
I want to do better than
smartphones / iPad /
Android, has an
interface that mimics my
desktop, and with the
increased UI element sizes,
is as finger friendly as the
iPad, or latest smartphone.
I can use my favorite
desktops apps, and the
browser isn't blocked by
Hulu.

As I stated in my original
post, I understand, and
respect that other users'
needs are different, and
they
might prefer a lighter OS
for the functions they wish
to accomplish with a tablet
device.
Fine for them if a lighter
OS meets their needs better
than a desktop, but for me,
the desktop OS is best.
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OK then! What
barefoot1976 29th Apr 2010
is the battery life on the Archos 9? and the Asus? See the thing that most people will buy a tablet for, is an all day answer for school books and tests! The ipad is severely lacking (according to 16 year old students that already have iphones and ipod touches) in the usability for purpose of class room downsizing! I'm all for Windows 7 in the class room IF the kids can get the battery life needed! 4hour charge times won't do it!
The HP Slate does everything that is needed BUT the battery life. And I can't see class room provided charging stations, as the school systems are already cutting back due to lack of funding!

The WebOS platform would do everything needed on a tablet and a whole lot more. Keep in mind that it is a multitasking environment, and can be customized to fit any need!

As I said earlier, I'm glad for you that the tablets fit your needs, but for most others, they won't. Here's hoping that HP and WebOS will!
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Platform choice is a nice thing
gadgetlover Updated - 30th Apr 2010
I did not state, nor mean to
insinuate that all tablets
need, or should be supplied
with a desktop OS. I did
state that my needs are best
met with a desktop OS, and
realized that may not be
true for others. I am not
sure which platform / OS the
majority will buy, only time
will tell.

It is nice that we have a
choice - full desktop OS,
Android, possibly WebOS, and
iPhone OS in a tablet
format.

I am not sure battery life
is that big an issue for
some students. I attend
many tech meetings which
usually use a college
classroom because there is
no cost. All the newer
classrooms, and newly
renovated classrooms I have
attended meetings at have an
outlet at every seat. In
some cases, the only
renovation made to an old
classroom was adding
conduits for outlets,
usually a two plug outlet in
between two seats. As I
indicated in my original
post, battery life is not an
issue for me, and explained
the reason why.

Many students can afford
only one machine at a time
while in college, and may
need a true laptop, or
convertible to meet all
their student needs. That
is one of the nice things
about choice in form factor,
and OS - students, and other
users can buy the device
that gives them the
combination of weight,
battery life, cost,
performance, and form factor
that their personal needs
dictate.
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Dude.. You're NOT alone..
Wolfie2K3 29th Apr 2010
Mind you, I'm not necessarily big on Photoshop, but I would rather run a REAL version of MS Office, my contact manager, and a few other apps on the road with one of those.

The bottom line is I want a device with the horsepower to run apps I've already invested in.

A buddy of mine has an old AT&T 8525 (or some such) phone he flashed with an updated (modded) image that gave him TouchFlo or some variation of it. It's pretty cool. I think 10 minutes is a bit too much to learn the "how it works" part. The interface is fairly intuitive.. Tho drilling down and finding stuff would still take time to learn.

They (HP) don't even have to modify the design - they've got a USB port on the Slate. But you're right. Leverage the right apps and you've got something that'll put everything else to shame. That's something these Apple and Linux fanbois just don't seem to get.
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Win7 Slate not a disaster...
mark@... 29th Apr 2010
There is a place in the world for the HP Slate as it currently exists; it just won't hit the same market as the iPad. A tablet that can run a full enterprise-worthy OS will have a market in many business applications, but it won't hit the iPad target of media consumption device. Even if HP were to put a touch-friendly UI on top of Windows 7, the higher processor requirements and battery consumption of a Windows 7 device would kill it.

But... HP could continue to market the Windows-based Slate for business use, and produce a WebSlate in a similar package but with WebOS and ARM for the consumer market. Keeping the hardware as similar as possible (same screen, battery, and shell, different motherboard) will give them additional economies of scale and let them keep down the cost of the enterprise device (which will probably never sell in the numbers that the consumer WebSlate will).
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Yeah but..
barefoot1976 29th Apr 2010
I don't see it! If I'm a corporate customer, I want that power in a Win7 device, and a tablet just (at this point) doesn't have it. Although a tablet type device running a full version of 7 is doable, it's not price effective for corporations as the costs would be in gaming laptop range. A tablet running WebOS enhanced to take advantage of software like Open Office or a MSOffice reader would be.
Take the fact that most corporation use MS Office, they need their tablet to have a reader for office's docx formats. That is possible! Port it to run in WebOS and you've got a sleek fast item that the corporate world can use!
Look for HP to throw resources at WebOS to take advantage of corporate needs, and make a tablet just for that purpose! Then tweak the OS to take a Slate into ipad killer status for the rest of us!!
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Exactly WHERE is this FUD coming from?
Wolfie2K3 29th Apr 2010
Even if HP were to put a touch-friendly UI on top of Windows 7, the higher processor requirements and battery consumption of a Windows 7 device would kill it.

Do you even know the minimum requirements for Windows 7...?

They are:

1 GHz CPU
1 GB RAM
16 GB disk space for installation, 8 afterwards
a video subsystem that can do DirectX9, 10 or 11 with 128 MB vram.

Seems to me there are PLENTY of Netbooks out there running Atom chips that meet or exceed these stats and run Windows 7 quite admirably.

So what's the problem with it running on a tablet device? The Slate's specs that were leaked not too long ago seem to match that of most netbooks. And we're not seeing any stories on ZDNet (or anywhere else, really) about them having issues.

Seriously...
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Uh...Slate has been killed by HP. EOS (NT)
The Danger is Microsoft 29th Apr 2010
NT
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too little, too late
gary_chicago 29th Apr 2010
The field is crowded. Palm's technology is not strong enough to break it out from the pack. Most consumers don't want take risks below the top 3 in most platforms.
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You don't get it!
barefoot1976 29th Apr 2010
The WebOS IS THE SUPERIOR platform! On a tablet offering (which I believe is the ONLY reason to acquire Palm) makes it an overnight ipad killer,and if you don't realize the power of the WebOS here, go to a Sprint or Verizon store and take about a half hour to play with it! The Camera functions beat most anything on the market! The HP vision here is what, under the HP name, can be done with the OS if they resource it to a 'Next-Level' OS for a tablet! Envision here a tablet that has a camera and a pop-out stand to become a webcam or portable videoconferencing tool? AND out of the box it multitasks! THINK MAN, THINK!
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Ridiculous statement...
middaleman Updated - 29th Apr 2010
Anybody who in any conversation around technology tries to claim that there is no opportunity to innovate needs to find a new job or hobby. People keep trying to act like the Smartphone market is set and it's no use even trying. WTF?!?! Android on one carrier or phone is nothing like Android on another. Am I running 1.5, 1.6, 2.0 or 2.1? Do I care? Are most conumsers smart enough to know the difference?? Is that an iPhone, or an iPhone 3G or an iPhone 3GS? Are you running Blackberry OS 4 or 5? Windows Mobile 6, 6.5? SenseUI, TouchFlo or Motoblur? What about Blackberry OS 6 or Windows Phone 7? Kin?

There is so much growth in the Smartphone martket right now, with different versions of operating systems being so completely different from older versions that to claim that people have made up their mind about anything shows such a profound lack of understanding about the technology industry as a whole to be laughable.

If everybody thought like you we'd all still be running CP/M or DOS.

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Anything to keep Microsoft from buying Palm. Palm will now be quietly killed off. This is HP's contribution to the anti-Microsoft consortium. Look for new announcements from Google and Apple to give HP an entry into the Great Game.
This is WAY too expensive to just keep MS from
buying Palm.
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Go Quietly into that Good Night?
Olderdan 29th Apr 2010
Are you kidding? I don't think a billion dollars
is worth that amount of spite. If HP didn't get
some value from buying Palm, the board wouldn't go
for it. You can't be feduciarily responsible by
flushing a billion bucks down the toilet.
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Really?
rahbm 1st May 2010
"You can't be fiducially responsible by flushing a billion bucks down
the toilet."


That didn't stop HP flushing 17 billion down the drain for Compaq!
But then, that was back in the bad old days of Carly the spendthrift.
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I'm sorry but it seems clear to me...
barefoot1976 29th Apr 2010
That you have never played with a WebOS device! The ONLY reason that HP would buy out Palm, is to get their hands on WebOS!! When you know what kind of iphone and ipad killer it can become with the support from HP OVERNIGHT? Not even a no-brainer! The camcorder function in the latest update to WebOS beats Apple hands down, and the fact that out of the box, WebOS is a multitasking environment? Think thinks through here! HP isn't doing anything here other than fixing what's wrong with their Slate! Battery life! A combination of the WebOS and things like a Camera and flash type support will immediately kill down ipad sales. The WebOS will give them a shot at getting the Slate to market THIS SUMMER!
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WebOS is it!
kajun58 29th Apr 2010
Well put! WebOS is the hottest thing going!
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Answer: Neither
wackoae 29th Apr 2010
I think HP just purchased a dead horse. Palm is a dying brand with very little to offer.
WebOS is a great OS, it is just that there are
only 2 phones that run it. Palm has great
engineers, and will have WebOS tuned for tablets
in to time. That will give HP a viable tablet.
Palm does have great engineers and HP is a very marketing savvy company. I have little doubt that Palm wasn't already working on a tablet product. With the HP business engine behind this, I expect a great contender at the very least. And don't forget that HP has a very strong history in healthcare and the enterprise; far more so than Apple.
based tablet. If you are right that Palm was
already working on it, it may not be very long.
In any case, they can soup up a phone design and
add a larger screen, and be to market fairly
quickly.
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I Tend To Agree... But...
Steve@... 29th Apr 2010
Today's market is obviously momentum driven, as evidenced by the iPhone-iPad demand. There are many outside factions, such as Android, etc. and even though they have strong fan bases, they are such minor players in the comercial market, that anyone else who tries to establish a foothold, will never have anything more than a foothold, and for most companies, that is a recipe for bankruptcy.
It's truely unfortunate, as I've been a Palm user for 10 glorious years, and bought a Palm Pre as soon as it was released. I dearly loved Palm's stylus interface, which blows away QWERTY hunt and peck input, and miss it on the Pre.
But, if HP doesn't completely erase the Palm moniker, no one will give the products a second look. However, since the iPad really is nothing more than a toy, if the WebOS can be scaled to a compelling Pad device, HP might just have something that the rational world (as opposed to the apple fanatics) will flock to. Even though my Pre doesn't have my favorite stylus interface, it's far more useful than an iPad, with only 1/10th of the size.
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Re: Palm's Demise
KansasITGuy 29th Apr 2010
HP is an innovative and brilliant company when it comes to business products. I agree that eliminating the "Palm" moniker would be helpful in the long run, especially if they aren't truly going to continue to play in the smartphone market. Using the WebOS as an O/S for their slate, and a myriad of other devices/appliances that HP distributes would still be a watershed event for them, and well worth the price they paid. However, I believe if they want to stay in the smart phone market though, they will need to keep the PALM name for that division, but continue to push/market the brand tons better than Palm is doing now. Look at Blackberry's newest commercial with their new BlackberryOS 6. The operating system is nothing revolutionary, but the marketing is brilliant, the commercial fun to watch, and will appeal to tons of potential customers. HP has the same capability, and definitely more money to back the idea.
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I Hadn't Seen The BB Commercial...
Steve@... 29th Apr 2010
But I'll have to look for it.
My thought, is that "Palm", since it's been around for probably 20 years, wouldn't draw the current consumer (so many teens & 20 somethings) to the product as much as something completely new sounding, you know, kind of like GM getting rid of Oldsmobile because it sounded like a grandfather's car.
Also, Palm may represent to a non-technical consumer, a company that failed, which might make their products less attractive.
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Look for . . .
JLHenry 29th Apr 2010
New iPaq's with WebOS on them, and I can almost bet that a WebOS based slate could be christened the "iPaq Slate" . . .

iPaq is an established name, and if they come up with some new devices, they could carve out a sizable chunk of the market for themselves . . .
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period
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ditto...
bobavery 29th Apr 2010
very much in agreement with that. The marketplace has already decided that Palm is an afterthought. It would have made more sense for Google or Rimm to buy Palm to snag their customer base.

Putting the pig in a dress isn't going to make it prettier.
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You're not grasping...
barefoot1976 29th Apr 2010
what HP is doing! And you aren't reading some of the ideas here! The folks at HP/Compaq aren't interested in Palm at all! They could care less if the sales of the Pre did little more than die off! They are interested ONLY in the WebOS! The system on a Slate with a few enhancements would be THE ipad killer!
Now don't take it wrong, but add a camera and a little pop-out stand on the back, and the Slate can become a portable video conferencing tool that would be a major success with corporations OVERNIGHT! And the fact that it is already a multitasking environment? To say this is a mistake, is simply not having the vision of what can be done with a little thinking!
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Completely agree...
SysStat 29th Apr 2010
You have it right. As someone in the middle of the Silicon Valley infrastructure, this makes great business sense. Too bad others can't grasp this for what it is.
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What About Lenovo?
knoxbury 29th Apr 2010
I know Lenovo was rumored to want to buy Palm. This may have been only a rumor to keep the selling price high for Palm, but if it's more than a rumor, then HP could have bought Palm primarily as a defensive move as well to keep Lenovo from buying it up and using it against HP. No one seems to be talking about the Lenovo factor . . . maybe because it wasn't a factor . . . but maybe it was.
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Lenovo would only be thinking
barefoot1976 29th Apr 2010
the same as HP! Take the WebOS and tweak it into the best tablet OS on the planet! But Lenovo is too diverse to do it justice in my opinion. So I'm glad HP has the vision to grab hold and run here!
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