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Larry Dignan, Andrew Nusca and Rachel King

Facebook's phone: Oversharing to go

By | November 22, 2011, 3:42am PST

Summary: Your Facebook phone may be the equivalent of having a KGB agent tailing you. Mark Zuckerberg will be in your pocket. You might as well wear one of those ankle bracelets for tracking.

The Facebook phone is in play—again—and it appears we have another 12 to 18 months to go before mobile and social utopia arrives. I can’t wait to see the privacy flaps that emerge from this adventure.

AllThingsD is reporting that Facebook has named HTC to build a phone with the social network at the core. The code name is Buffy because it will allegedly slay the market—or something like that. Sound familiar? The Facebook phone has been rumored forever. TechCrunch reported that Facebook was working to build a phone a year ago. CNET News also reported that Facebook was reaching out to hardware makers.

In other words, Facebook will have been plotting a smartphone for about two years before hitting the market. Facebook’s approach will be akin to Amazon’s plan with the Kindle Fire. Build on top of Android, hide the OS and integrate services. By the way, Amazon is reportedly planning a phone too. No one—Microsoft, RIM, Amazon, Facebook and wireless carriers—really wants the mobile world being run by just Apple and Google.

We all know how important social is to mobile and the two categories go together nicely. But do you really want a Facebook phone? If you think the social graph can be overdone today just wait until Facebook starts broadcasting every move to your friends. Every purchase you make. Every app you use. Every time you happen to hit the john with your smartphone in tow your friends will know. I could be exaggerating, but not by much (and you know half of you bring your smartphone to the loo).

Also: Facebook’s oversharing flap: Much ado for tech news junkies only? | CNET: How Facebook is ruining sharing

A Facebook phone will be oversharing to go. Your Facebook phone may be the equivalent of having a KGB agent tailing you. Mark Zuckerberg will be in your pocket. You might as well wear one of those ankle bracelets for tracking.

Oh sure, you can turn off the Facebook features embedded in this social phone—assuming you can find the privacy settings. You could also log off from Facebook—but this social phone may just brick on you.

Yes folks, the Facebook phone will be a godsend for a few of you. I anxiously await more details in the year ahead.

Related:

Facebook taps HTC to build Android-powered Facebook phone (rumor)

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RE: Facebook's phone: Oversharing to go
CyberFry 29th Nov
thefatalepic brought up a good point, just put a little trollish. You may turn FB tracking off but you are still being tracked. I wonder what we did years ago when there were no cell phones. Oh yeah, we visited people at their house. cf
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Not a fan of "Smart"phones
ryeckley82 22nd Nov
First off, if these "Smart"-phones were truly so smart, they wouldn't be so hard for the average person to learn how to use. That's how people get tricked into being tracked; make it SOOOOO complicated to set up that you end up turning on the location-based everything anyway due to lack of patience.

I'm an experience techie. I have my own Ubuntu-based KDE system at home that I configured myself to be as secure as I can get it. I also loaded DD-WRT on my router; and I set up my own home studio & home theater. That being said, you know what phone I use? A good old flip or slider. Why? Easy enough to set up that I know EXACTLY what's going on.

I'm already accustomed to the fact that the PATRIOT Act allows the government to tap our phone conversations without prior consent or a search warrant. I can't do anything about that other than go to Congress. But as far as technology goes, I have DOZENS of options. I could go for a "smart"-phone, but why? to have my battery die every 6 hours (due to the 1 amp battery versus the netbook's 3 amp battery), or 3 hours if I choose to go on Facebook or whatever?

My other gripe about Androids and Windows Mobile: apps such as Facebook, Tagged, Yahoo Messenger, etc. INTEGRATE into the messaging. That's a security issue to me; my online contacts don't need to know everything I'm doing.
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There's GPS on your old-school flip phone as well and there's no way of turning it off. I called Verizon and they say by law they have to leave it turned on, which is_bullsh!t.
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yep
pgit 22nd Nov
@ScorpioBlue amaxes me how people can't see what's right in front of their nose. Goobermint mandated the ability to track 24/7 and listen in on your conversations... even if the phone is "off."

"Off" on any mobile phone only means "off to you," the user. It's still doing the security state's business.

With all this prying and tracking crap they always tell you up front what they are going to be doing. Either people just don't bother to look into the technology in their hands, or they can't fathom the consequences. eg any cell phone can triangulate your position within a few feet...

Would anybody ever use such information for ill purpose? naaaaa, government never does anything wrong. 8\
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BlueCollarCritic 22nd Nov
@ScorpioBlue / @yep

It does the heart good to see mroe and more persons admitting to whats going on with our government. For years those of us who have tried to point out this info would typically be called conmspiracy theorists or "chubacabra chasers".

This ability to track users was put in the telecommunications act many years ago (late 90s or earl 00's, can't remeber when exactly) but it got little publicity and thats just the way government wanted it.

At least some in the media are finally admitting to whats going on. Now we just need to get them to stop spinning it as being something good or just not that bad.
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Isn't even needed.
spdragoo@... 22nd Nov
@ScorpioBlue

They just need to go "The Net" on you, & triangulate the signal from your cellphone between 2 separate cell towers. It's no different than regular, old-school DF (Direction Finding) that was done by the military...you know, back in Vietnam, Korea, WWII. Is it as accurate as GPS, no; but it'll put you within the neighborhood (maybe 100 yards, or a football field, from your actual position).
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Unrealmaster287 22nd Nov
@ryeckley82
First and foremost
"First off, if these "Smart"-phones were truly so smart, they wouldn't be so hard for the average person to learn how to use"
I believe the problems are not the phone's complexity but users who are as thick as Asphalt cement milkshakes left in the sun.

Why yes i would like to clarify that statement if you are complaining about a phone's complexity you are to blame because of:
1) You should have researched the friendliness of a particular device (e.g. Android is for mad i like to customize every square micrometer of my os which is incidentally what i have :P and if that dos not suit you as i discovered than it is your fault for not looking it up) belove me the internet is a wonderful place.

2) You did not take the time to go over the user manual ask questions in the forums or generally make any effort what so ever to gather additional knowledge you assume that when you buy a smart phone it will sync its functions whit your brain

Second i would like to add that if you believe that in this day and age online privacy exists then please let me know how you found a way to live on mars
If you want privacy don't post on facebook " hey my home address xx,retard street, hell or photos of your mom, you or anyone of your family for that matter! if your "privacy" is compromised then it is your fault.

I accept that fact that is why i draw a line between what i will transmit online and what i will talk privately to people about
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Pete "athynz" Athens 22nd Nov
@ryeckley82 First you say that smartphones are complicated and then you claim to be an experienced techie... Really? Okay you want an easy to use, easy to set up smartphone then get an iPhone. If you want something you can customize then get an Android based smartphone. And I know plenty of "average" people - non techies - who use iPhones and Android based smartphones daily and do not have any issues with them.

BTW that slider, flip phone, candybar, whatever feature phone you have also has GPS that cannot be turned off...
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Pete "athynz" Athens 22nd Nov
@ryeckley82 First you say that smartphones are complicated and then you claim to be an experienced techie... Really? Okay you want an easy to use, easy to set up smartphone then get an iPhone. If you want something you can customize then get an Android based smartphone. And I know plenty of "average" people - non techies - who use iPhones and Android based smartphones daily and do not have any issues with them.

BTW that slider, flip phone, candybar, whatever feature phone you have also has GPS that cannot be turned off...
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@ryeckley82
Agree. I'm all about researching and purchasing new technologies but when it comes to phones web, text, and calls is all that most of us need. There are so many people paying big bucks and high data plans just to go on facebook and twitter. I think these smart phones are more of a fashion statement than needs. And yes, the Homeland Security can locate and listen in to conversations you have even if the phone's off. They have teamed up with all carrier providers in multiple ways to catch criminals.
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belli_bettens@... 23rd Nov
@Anti Fanboy
So what, can't you live with another persons' opinion? People wearing expensive perfume while they could easily buy a deodorant are also making a fashion statement. I think there aren't much items left that you "really" need.

You say you're all about purchasing new technologies, then what do you buy? A new computer where you can play the latest games on (would you 'need' that?), shoes with lights that blink to the beat of your car stereo? the latest military helicopter? a particle accelerator?
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@ryeckley82

Every day you use your cell phone your kissing your rights goodbye! Corporations and Gov want to know everything about you and they'll bend the laws and your rights to achieve their goal of a database they can use to track each and everything you do. Your freedom went up in a puff of smoke the minute you pushed the power button!

As for the Facebook phone...NO THANKS! I'm not a big fan of where High-Tech is going these days. I like consumers having control of the device they PAY for! I don't need a corporation telling me how and what do do with my device. The PC industry has it right. You buy the computer, you own it, choose what to run, what to disable etc...but the Cell Carriers and phone manufacturers have too much control over the device.
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@rob.sharp@...
If you really want privacy, buy one of these pre-paid Trac-phones for cash. a high-tech spy will know where the phone is, but they are not able to associate it with you until they ask one of your friends who it was that called them from this particular phone number at a particular time. If your friend also has one of these anonymous phones, the tracking problem becomes almost impossible to solve. Because of this, some countries have outlawed the purchase of such a phone without the registration of the personal identification of the purchaser.
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@rob.sharp@... yes, but i would like to point out that this is more of a problem in the USA than in many other nations (not focussing on the security bit, but the difference between phones and PC's) other countries allow you to mix and match phone services with hardware in a way that you stay in control. The US system has somehow ended up far too much in the control of the carriers. But I agree, a phone (cellphone or smartphone or whatever, should be just that, a piece of hardware, your piece of hardware when you buy it. from there you shuld chose what you run on it, and what services you use it with... it sounds so simple and obvious, and yet...
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@ryeckley82 Strange, I found my iPhone easy to use and configure. If you can configure Linux, you can certainly figure out an iPhone, which is far simpler.

And yeah, Facebook is one of those apps where I have tracking turned off.

. . . and my iPhone lasts far longer than 6 hours normally. Just don't abuse it with power-sucking things like high end games and videos.
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@ryeckley82 What is wrong with your brain?
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Long live big android
Robert Hahn 22nd Nov
The Goog has pictures of your house, robot cars to follow you around, spy-in-the-sky satellites that can resolve a dog in your back yard, and you're worried that Zuckerberg's phone will track you?
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anono Updated - 22nd Nov
@Robert Hahn
Robot cars that follow me around? Huh. Any organization with a satellite will have a picture of my house. If you are afraid of satellites, you quite literally need to live in a cave. Consider than for nearly a billion people (and growing), Facebook probably has many pictures of you house, your car, your friends etc. They know who you talk to, what you talk about and what websites you visit (regardless of whether you were logged into facebook at the time). Not only that, they are known to sell this information to 3rd parties. I think I have a few concerns about Facebook that go a bit beyond them having a satellite view of my house.
@anono
so they know everything, even down to your credit card numbers and buying habits, whether you tell anybody or not on Facebook.
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anono Updated - 22nd Nov
@anono
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/search-cant-scale-without-social-and-why-bing-could-still-win/63468

Quote from article " if you do a search on Bing and youre logged into Facebook in the same browser then the search results will show which of your friends have liked a certain page."

Clear evidence that Facebook has no problem selling Microsoft your data and Microsoft has no problem buying your data. Also look at jdakula's comment for more info on Facebook tracking. Not to mention the fact that I've seen people go to sites while on logged on to Facebook and they sometimes see pictures of their friends on the site itself. Care to offer any proof of your claims.
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@anono
lets not forget that they scan forums to attach ideologies to your personality profile. wink
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2 Don't want a Facebook app on my phone
3 Don't want to access Facebook from my PC, my Nook Color, or anything else I own.
4. Hate Facebook
5. Wish Facebook would crumble into dust.

BTW, twitter is for twits.
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@cornpie

There's a very easy solution to this - don't sign up for Facebook. Problem solved.
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@cornpie:

1. Don't want to hear someone needlessly moan about Facebook.
2. Don't register and allow everyone else to use it.
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twitter
pgit 22nd Nov
@cornpie How about the various revolutions in the middle east? They absolutely relied on twitter to coordinate things, strategize and get important information out to the world. I wouldn't call them "twits."

It's also great for humor. Some of the people I follow dig up and provide funny stuff, a perfect break in the middle of a craptastic day, and I don't have to do the work, someone else is doing that for me.

I think twitter is vastly more useful than facebook. Since before facebook even launched I knew it was nothing but a security state information gathering tool, one the target would embrace and feed valuable data willingly. Knowing that was a simple matter of seeing who was funding the operation: Sequoia capital.. an admitted CIA funding clearinghouse. (they funded google, too, btw)

Facebook is exactly what Zuck himself made of it, a place for stupid a$$****s that'll spew anything and everything a stasi, brownshirt, tonton macoute or similar operation would want. Facebook is a tyrant's wet dream.
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Pete "athynz" Athens Updated - 22nd Nov
@cornpie

1 Don't want a Facebook phone Don't get one.
2 Don't want a Facebook app on my phone
Don't download it.
3 Don't want to access Facebook from my PC, my Nook Color, or anything else I own.
Then don't.
4. Hate Facebook
And?
5. Wish Facebook would crumble into dust.
What's the matter - some random dude on Facebook took your girlfriend from you? Was it Zuckerburg?

BTW, twitter is for twits.
Do you ever have anything positive to say? You remind me of those old curmudgeons who sit on a porch and bark at the young whippersnappers about how they had to walk to school uphill in the snow and didn't have no fancy electronics... and the rich kids rode their dinosaurs to school.
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LOL!!
William Farrell 25th Nov
@Pete "athynz" Athens
and the rich kids rode their dinosaurs to school

I didn't see that coming! grin
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I would take a Facebook phone
HollywoodDog 22nd Nov
My price for accepting said phone is one thousand Euros a day, in cash, paid daily. And no requirement that I actually use the phone.
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Did I see that photo right?
ScorpioBlue 22nd Nov
Zuckerburg hanging out in toilets now?

lol... lol... grin
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....I'm sure you meant to say TAKE your smartphone to the loo! (Just doing my bit to save the English language.)
Michael Scott
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Moooo... Facebook Moooo... mindless social chatter. Moooo... Ooh, follow me, follow me!

Here's to the moronic herd generation.
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Oh Great ! !
da philster 22nd Nov
Another gadget that the world doesn't need, imho
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The challenge is, you guys are all techies (for the most part) and adults. And understand how the internet and these Smartphones, sattelites and Google invade our everyday privacy. At this time it is due to the "Patriot Act". My concern is for the genearation below us, the twenties, the teen and tweens that see no problem nor understand the concept of invasions of privacy or what the implications may be, if a different world order develops. I try and try to explain to my tween, and all he says is...'What? I have nothing to hide..." as most of us non-techies feel. The issues is, what would happen if this information gets into the wrong hands, or the governmet changes etc. It's too Much like George Orwell's vision of the future. Persons may just disappear! Yikes!
...which seems to be complicated on Facebook anyways, than this will be the killer app for cat burglars and petty thieves, as well as stalkers and other creeps. No thank you, not interested in plugging into the digital umbilical...
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Ellisonx Updated - 22nd Nov
As long as we're discussing Facebook......Have we as a society really become so self-obsessed that we have to tweet or post our every thought and action on the internet? (ironic that I'm posting my thoughts on this on the internet, but there you go).
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My advice to all those paranoid people is do not join a social network and do not buy a smart phone. I just read another blog where someone was complaining that Facebook did not have enough privacy settings. I replied, no they have them they are just turned off by default for the most part because its a "social" site. Which general means you want to share things about yourself. If people would take the time to understand settings rather then complaining about losing their privacy. I think they would be a lot happier. As I said if you do not like it then just don't join.
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kentuckywoman2 22nd Nov
I don't use facebook anymore because of what I consider privacy violations. It's getting so that one cannot even comment on most news articles any longer without having one's full name displayed, including city and sometimes even college! I DON'T LIKE THAT. Zuckerman must have made a deal with the Devil, because it sure feels EVIL.
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kentuckywoman2 22nd Nov
Social media is rather like an app for the SSS. When you think about it, ANYONE can track you, your friends, your spending habits, your bank account, EVERYTHING. Why would ANYONE want to allow their privacy to be so violated?
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Graham Ellison 22nd Nov
No-one in their right mind would ever consider owning one of these things. Therefore probably some 80 million will jump at the chance!
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Facebook privacy
Creeping Critter 22nd Nov
I am aware when it comes to facebook and most social networks there is no such thing as privacy no matter how much you OPT out of things on these websites. For that reason I put in all bogus information including a bogus email account so it wont go in there and spam people . happy
The only info they will have is my IP address i think and i unfortunately did put my real photo up there somewhere. Maybe I should have taken that down?
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Just as with the credit card companies constantly revising their policies and guidelines thru cryptic updates that most never read or if they do can't understand what exactly is being changed, Facebook will eventually revise its policies (after many users have signed on and bought the phones) so that the option to turn off X is no longer an option. They may or may not try to come up with some bogus excuse for the change but the one certainty is they will eventually make it so you can???t turn off what Facebook doesn???t want turned off.

I avoid iPhones because you can???t pull out the battery and turn the darn thing off if you want. I know that the Droid devices will soon have this same unreachable battery so that they too remain on all the time (unless you run the battery dead) and the day that happens I will stop upgrading my smart phone.

This is all part of an overall effort to move society away from an expectation of privacy so that the government and industry can freely do any level of tracking of users it wants. It used to be that one???s birthday and SSN (social security number) where closely kept secrets and for good reason. But today many young people care not who they share this info with and for the older of us we often find we can???t not provide some or all of this info at every turn be it a Doctor appointment (why do doctor offices still ask for your SSN when HIPPA was supposed to stop that practice? ) or something else. Everyone wants to know everything about you and that???s dangerous.
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This article is FUD. I own one of the said FB phones (HTC ChaCha. Ridiculous name aside, it's the Asian version of the AT&T/HTC Status, difference only being the 3G Radio firmware). My only problem with it is the lack of memory and all the operator specific cruft I can't remove because HTC thinks that I will also be using a Singaporean and Filipino SIM in my phone really soon, and I can't use most of the cruft either because I'm not on said operators.

It's integration with FB is laughable. The Android OS is sticking out on the surface. You can log out of FB and the phone will stop tracking you. That won't brick it at all. Heck, you can even easily tell it to not track you at all. The FB integration is dependent on a few apps that can be disabled from the settings screen or by just logging out from said apps.
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Facebook phone = Kin 2.0
Snooki_smoosh_smoosh 22nd Nov
Microsoft tried the whole social phone idea and it failed.
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I don't need a "social media" phone. My Windows Phone integrates all my social networks flawlessly. I almost never open the third party apps for each network. Why do we need a damn "Facebook" phone?
the cell phone cost a person around $100 a month, takes up 1-2 hours of free time a day and exchange can let you know the momen one of your friends claims that pizza parlor you hate is awesome. Makes me want to start website of what better uses of the time and money spent can people find vs having/using smart/cell phone. I'll do that right after I check my messages.
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"1984" the novel foretold that this would happen within the bounds of the technology available in 1948. What we have today is worse than how the story portrayed it.
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I just don't care.
Rick Sos 22nd Nov
Pretty soon your car, boat, motorcycle, wrist watch, laptop, cordless phone and your cell phone will all have GPS on it and a way for them to listen in on you.
If they want to hear the roar of a diesel engine for hours on end or hear me blast the water out of the toilet they can be my guest. I just don't care. Besides, I do own a hammer and it works great for turning things off.
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The governments have changed and they have been storing everything you said around a house phone or your cell phone for five years. Maybe they use the Cloud. lol

Then something happens in your area and they decide to check out everybody on the street. They listen to what you said about Joe Blow last year after his dog dumped on your lawn. Turns out somebody shot Joe Blow so they come knocking on your door.
I bet this kind of thing will be the norm pretty soon. oh your not home? No problem, They can see you are on the other side of town parked at Joe Blows ex old lady's house. We are close to this kind of thing now and it's coming soon but untill then they can still listen to me blow the water out of the toilet. I don't care but it still p*sses me off.
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If your worry is GPS.
delf20k@... 22nd Nov
If your worry is GPS get a world phone compatible with you desired network from overseas paid up front and put the sim in yourself and the overseas model should have a control to turn off the GPS or even if it does have a back door it wont be the same one your government normaly uses and that makes it non trivial for someone to track you without a lot of red tape overseas and by the time they go threw all the hoops to get access unless they started soon after you got your phone you may have changed phones already.
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"But do you really want a Facebook phone?"

No, and I doubt anybody else does.
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thefatalepic brought up a good point, just put a little trollish. You may turn FB tracking off but you are still being tracked. I wonder what we did years ago when there were no cell phones. Oh yeah, we visited people at their house. cf

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