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Larry Dignan, Andrew Nusca and Rachel King

FCC approves net neutrality framework; Now the politics begin

By | December 21, 2010, 10:05am PST

The Federal Communications Communication approved net neutrality regulations 3-2 on Tuesday, but these rules are likely to face challenges from a new Congress.

Earlier this month, FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski proposed a  vote on an open Internet framework. The biggest item is that the rules would bar carriers from discriminating against legal Internet traffic. The catch is that providers could charge more to companies that want faster service for games, videos and other bandwidth intensive content.

In an open meeting, Genachowski said that open Internet rules are the first to protect basic values. There are no regulations today. “We’re told by some to not try and fix what’s not broken. Countless innovators and investors say just the opposite. We’ve heard from so many entrepreneurs, venture capitalists and CEOs and their message is clear: The next decade of innovation is at risk without basic rules of the road,” he said. “Our action will strengthen Internet job creation and ensure Internet freedom at home and around the world.”

This framework breaks down like this:

  • Consumers will have a transparent view into how networks are being managed. This information will allow consumers to make a decision on whether to subscribe or use a particular broadband network.
  • Consumers and innovators “have a right to send and receive lawful Internet traffic — to go where they want and say what they want online, and to use the devices of their choice.” Blocking legal content, apps, devices and services is prohibited.
  • No central authority should be able to pick winners or losers by discriminating against “lawful network traffic.”
  • Meanwhile, broadband providers should have the “meaningful flexibility” to manage their networks. These providers should also have incentives—ie profit potential—to build out networks.

FCC commissioner Michael Copps said that a vote for the net neutrality rules was one for free speech and innovation. “Previous telecommunications technologies also preached openness and then fell under consolidated control,” said Copps, who railed against “entrenched interests.” Copps said the FCC’s net neutrality framework didn’t go far enough, but he’d vote for it so the gears of an open Internet wouldn’t halt. Some provisions may need “repaving.” Commissioner Mignon Clyburn supported the framework, but wanted wireless included. Genachowski argued that wireless broadband is too nascent to be included in the framework.

Commissioner Robert McDowell said he “strongly disagrees with this order.” McDowell said the FCC can’t make laws and Congress is going to shut down the net neutrality framework. In other words, there’s a legislative collision course on tap. He called the vote “the FCC’s darkest day” and courts will sink the framework.

Meredith Attwell Baker, another FCC commissioner, sided with McDowell. She said that the FCC is messing with the one part of the economy that’s working. Baker argued that consumers won’t benefit and regulators are overreaching without evidence of wrongdoing. The FCC won’t be successful as the Internet’s referee, she said. “The vote today is not the end of this debate,” said Baker.

Carriers such as Comcast have called Genachowski’s framework a workable compromise.

With the vote out of the way net neutrality becomes a political hot potato in Congress. The FCC wants to be the Internet traffic cop, but Congress has never really authorized it to take such a role. That debate will pick up with a new Congress in January.

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RE: FCC approves net neutrality framework; Now the politics begin
birumut Updated - 17th Jun
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So which is it?
Yagotta B. Kidding 21st Dec 2010
The FCC wants to be the Internet traffic cop, but Congress has never really authorized it to take such a role. That debate will pick up with a new Congress in January.

When some States tried to regulate open access rules for cable and DSL, they were challenged in court on the grounds that Internet access was the FCC's job -- and the cable companies won that one.

So if Congress or another court decides that Internet access isn't the FCC's job, does that mean that it's back to the States?
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Actually, the law leaves it to the FCC
JohnVoter 21st Dec 2010
@Yagotta B. Kidding
In the "Brand X" decision, the Supreme Court stated that it was within the authority of the FCC (according to the 1934 Communication Act) whether to classify broadband as "common carrier".

In that case, the FCC has broad authority to require ISPs to provide consumers with non-discriminatory access to web sites, which just happens to be what network neutrality means.

The recent court judgement (April?) was basically that the FCC couldn't impose this type of regulation *unless* they used their authority to classify broadband access under common carrier.
@JohnVoter

He's saying the cable companies lawyers or bribe machine or both has successfully argued both sides in court. In summation Courts=FAIL, government=FAIL, massive corrupt hypocritical evil monopoly=WIN
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Brainless liberals are amazing, ain't they?
LBiege Updated - 21st Dec 2010
They are celebrating while government is out to grab more power and their tax along the way. Uhhh hold on, how many of them actually pay income tax btw? Anyhow so they tell us government has to have a role in managing internet fairness, huh?

Let's see this is what, after they set up Fed to protect the value of our Dollar only to print it to the brink of collapse (checked gold price lately?), after they set up FDIC to protect our savings only to have almost entire Wall St. collapse, after they set up Fannie Mae to promote affordable housing only to blow a gigantic bubble and trap everyone in overpriced mortgages, after they set up Social Security that has no money only to put everyone's retirement into insecurity, after they set up SEC to monitor investment integrity only to sit there watching online porn while Madoff was stealing money despite several tips, after ....

How much more looting does it take for these sheeples to understand big government = fraud, incompetence and corruption? No wonder this nation is deeply f***ed w/ so many fools cheering for Stalin-ization.
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I agree, LBiege
SAStarling 22nd Dec 2010
@LBiege

Can you IMAGINE the hue and cry that would be happening if this had been done by the FCC during the Bush Administration? Wow! The caterwauling would be deafening.
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..and one more thing..
SAStarling 22nd Dec 2010
@LBiege

I'm STILL waiting for the righteous outrage at Obama for Afghanistan, rally cries of "WAR CRIMINAL," and shouting from the rooftops over the TSA molestations.
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@LBiege :
All this just means that WE MUST VOTE THEM ALL OUT OF OFFICE - THE LIBERALS! We must REPEAL all these ridiculous regulations - all of them! This was only one step in a list of many that will impair this country beyond repair. USE YOUR VOTE THIS SPRING. Use the Internet to email, blog, and whatever you can to contact your Reps and Senators with your OUTRAGE over this. THIS IS WHAT REAGAN MEANT WHEN HE TOLD US THAT THIS COUNTRY WAS THE LAST FREE STAND FOR FREEDOM. Baby steps is what the liberals are doing. This is just one and they will bet you will accept it and then they will move on to the next step. HAM RADIO AND BBS ANYONE? That's where I am going. No more Internet for me if this isn't repealed. NO MORE.
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Well stated.
GuntherGump 22nd Dec 2010
@LBiege

How is it we just keep moving towards making Government God? (When most of us don't want that).
@LBiege (et.al.)

One of the things that people don't understand is the worship of charlatans by the unknowledgable masses. A piece of history that needs to be taught to the young at home and in primary schools is the life and times of Franz Mesmer back at the turn of the 19th century. Herr Mesmer, to the astonishment and disdain of the medical community at the time believed that illness could be cured with magnetism. He coined the phrase Animal Magnetism in his theory which since has been twisted to its meaning today. The truth of his practices was he used hypnosis to bilk his patients with miracle cures that were nothing more than temporary fixes for more serious problems. When eventually he was investigated, he was driven into exile because his practices were found to be false.

Oh, by the way, his name is still used today whenever anyone is mesmerized by anything.

American politicians are all charlatans. Not one representative is there to represent his/her constituents. This morning I grimaced in despair as the President thanked Nacy Pelosi for her work on repealing Dont Ask Dont Tell. The applause from the crowd as he expressed thanks is a representation of how truly unintelligent the general population is. Those folks that can't spell the word Dictionary but can sing the jingles to at least 5 commercials.

We live in ridiculous times.
@LBiege So, Bush was a liberal too? How about Reagan? Or Nixon, or Ford? We could even go back farther... Despite the fact that this particular decision happens to come now, government personnel have been f*****g things up for generations now. I don't know why it pisses me off so much seeing "Liberal" this or "Conservative" that when armchair politicians start to spout about what's wrong with the world, but it does. Maybe it's the fact that it seems to be empty venting or whining... at any rate, the dollar has been devalued steadily throughout the 20th century, b*****t laws and controls put into place, crooked dealings on Wall Street, on and on and on, regardless of the political affiliations of the di*****d who happens to have the title of president at any given time.
***** all you want about it, but if it's going to be passed, they're not going to give a s**t how much you complain about it on ZDNet's forum... one way or another...
F**k 'em all, and happy f****n' holidays to everyone...
@LBiege

Compared to what? What we have now is NOT a free market. Right now we have a system in which the corporations are protected by the government. Either we need a free and competitive market or we need consumer protection. What we have now is a government supported market with no consumer protection. That's not compromise.
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@LBiege you act like the so called conservatives have been any better, remember Reagan when he increased the deficit by 97 billion? or GW bush increased it by 1.1 trillion? or Gerald Ford increasing it by 67 Billion? these were all republicans, who preach lower taxes and less government and less spending, and those three guys grew the government more than anyone except FDR, since woodrow wilson, so dont feed us the "its all the liberals fault" stuff, its getting old....
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Questions for opponents
JohnVoter 21st Dec 2010
One Republican member of the FCC claimed that net neutrality is a "threat to our freedom."

In that net neutrality is the consumer's right to use whatever internet (web) based sites that they want, do you think that it is the consumer himself/herself that threatens our freedom?

Or is it consumer's choice that is so injurious the freedom itself?

If giving consumers the right to use what web site they want is a threat to our freedom, does it logically follow that we would be *more* free if we give the ISPs the right to restrict the internet sites we can visit to only those that offer kickbacks to the ISP?
@JohnVoter

I think everyone would agree that Comcast shouldn't throttle Netflix when the Comcast customer has paid Comcast for access to the Internet....which includes Netflix.

There is however, a great concern about the FCC sticking their foot in the Internet door and gaining power to regulate. Will we need to purchase an FCC license in order to publish a website in the near future? While the current bill doesn't mention anything like this, FCC's paws on the Internet cookie jar could easily lead to just that.
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Slippery slopes and gerbils
JohnVoter 21st Dec 2010
@VRSpock
Slippery slope argument: If women get the vote, before you know it gerbils will too.

To view arguments with an open mind means you have to look at the good and bad of the proposal before you, and reject the boogie man hypothetical not before us.

I'd agree that giving the priority to consumer choice (as opposed to ISP control) is not the only way to structure the internet, but it is consistent with the creation of Google and about a million more innovative services.
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Consumer's right to use the internet?
SAStarling 22nd Dec 2010
@JohnVoter

Can you please show me where in the Constitution we are given "rights" to use or buy anything that is a product or service?
@SAStarling

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

We the people (founders) gave the government the right to defend domestic tranquility and to promote general welfare. (Not meaning welfare checks) The final dagger at the heart of the argument: establish justice. Whose justice? The people's justice.

And then you take those words and redefine them over two hundred years, add some events and technology and you get the rules we have today.
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Look, SAStarling had a good question and all that you did was to spin a tiny bit of what our forefathers had to say when establishing the constitution and the country.

You still didn't answer SAStarling's question.

Nowhere in the constitution is there a reference to the right of people to have a good life and to share in the wealth or to be granted access to a product or service.

Sure, there have been interpretations and reinterpretations and spinning of the original intents of the supreme laws of the land, but, going back to the original, there are not guarantees. The only guarantee is to make sure that all people have the same protections under the law to seek their own levels for "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness". Nowhere is there a guarantee that, everybody will have the same level of wealth and access to everything in life.
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@SAStarling

Strictly speaking, the constitution limits the power of the government, i.e. anything that isn't the right of the government is the right of the people. Additionally, it contains the "commerce clause", which states that the government regulates interstate commerce. Part of the Interstate Commerce Act is to protect from discrimination and guarantee access. So, pretty much anyway you cut it, we're guaranteed internet access if we pay a fair price for it.

Personally, I'd like to see a lot of non-profits spring up to eliminate Comcast. You know, like Firefox. Anyone here using Firefox?
@SAStarling: Several places. In a few, "All powers not granted to are reserved for " clauses make it clear that government at both Federal and State levels can't abridge the "life, libery and pusruit of happiness" part of the Constitution without the consent of the people. We gave the government the power to "regulate commerce" on the manufacturing end only, not the consumption end of things. And even then, we can manufacture anything we desire within certain limits and consume or hire those products or services as we desire. THink of it this way, did we give the government any power to regulate out ability to breathe? Or fart, belch, eat or fornicate? Unless we let them have it, government has no power at all. Sad to say, the sheeple have already let them get too much as it is. I say, a pox on all houses, parties, conservative, liberal or whathaveyou.
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More questions for opponents
JohnVoter 21st Dec 2010
The other day it was snowing pretty hard, and I pulled into the drive through of an Italian beef place near here. A young man took my order, I paid and he gave me a sack with a delicious beef with extra gravy.

Now this young man is obviously paid with money for his efforts. Works out Ok for his employer too, I'm sure.

But suppose his employer told this citizen that he could only buy food at THIS store, and not any store that competed with his employer.

Would this increase the employee's freedom? How do conservatives swallow this "up is down", "war is peace" philosophy?
@JohnVoter you wrote:
But suppose his employer told this citizen that he could only buy food at THIS store, and not any store that competed with his employer Would this increase the employee's freedom? How do conservatives swallow this "up is down", "war is peace" philosophy?

Of course it would increase the employee's freedom. The poor, ignorant (but well-meaning) employee would be free from having to consider, evaluate, and weigh the effectiveness of competing products, a task for which he/she is probably genetically unprepared. He/she would also be free from the burden of disciplining him/herself about saving and spending money.

See, these benefits trickle downward. What is perceived as a burden is actually a benefit, when seen in the benevolent, golden light that politicians (on both sides of the aisle) shine upon it. It is only when we accept, without questioning, the wisdom of our superiors that we see them in the same light.

Or maybe it's just the tarnish from spending all that time bathed in excrement. Anyway, you get the point.
@clfitz

WOW! You been reading far too much Aldous Huxley and Karl Marx.

@JohnVoter

Your premise is flawed like many. Has nothing to do with the FCC choosing what sites you can visit. Your favorites will still be available. It just means Comcast or your ISP cannot block your favorite porn or streaming video site...until such time those charlatans in charge deem it necessary to block them. Meaning if you elect the wrong people (charlatans) you will lose your access.
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False premise argument
SAStarling 22nd Dec 2010
@JohnVoter

This citizen, should his employer tell him he can only buy food at a certain store, would have the right to go find a job elsewhere. But then again, if you think employers DO have that right to tell their employees where they can go and whose businesses they can patronize, then you may be right if you're thinking about Union bosses.
@SAStarling

You must live in a very nice place. You must not live in, say, Indiana, where 80% of the broadband access is owned by Comcast. I once moved to another city to get away from Comcast, but then Comcast forced that cable company out, because cable is a GOVERNMENT enforced MONOPOLY!
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I live in Indiana
Michael Alan Goff 22nd Dec 2010
I live in a small town called Mount Vernon.

We have Insight, WOW!, AT&T, and several satellite internet providers.

: I

SUCH LITTLE CHOICE!
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Well that's you, goob256
search & destroy Updated - 22nd Dec 2010
Does everybody live where you live?

Does the world revolve around you?

As far as satellite internet providers go, they are so unreliable in many parts of the country, you might as well go back to dial-up.

Time for you to get out of that widdle cube you sit in all day.
@JohnVoter I'm missing your point... net neutrality (which I think is something that doesn't need to be changed, btw) is saying that customers can choose any provider they want, and allows providers the freedom to charge extra for bandwidth intensive services. As far as I saw, it doesn't lock anyone to one service provider.
So, to use your example, the guy who brought you the sandwich is still free to shop anywhere he wants, but the stores are now allowed to charge extra for the gravy to dunk the sandwich in, the tin foil or paper to wrap the sandwich in, a fee for using the drive through, and another fee for the plate should you decide to eat indoors.
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News welcomed this side of the pond
johnfenjackson@... Updated - 21st Dec 2010
"She said that the FCC is messing with the one part of the economy thats working."
I'm sure M$, Apple, IBM, INTEL ... all reported that the economy was working.

How about the media rights holders? Newspapers, music, video, ... are they happy with the digital economy?

How about consumers? Are they happy with the economy?

"Baker argued that consumers wont benefit and regulators are overreaching without evidence of wrongdoing."
Ah, I see the plan ... we wait for M$ to destroy Netscape, we wait for INTEL to destroy AMD, we wait for Apple to corner the market in music, we wait while {XYZ} throttles bandwidth/limits content, we wait while America slips further down the broadband league table ... and then we say "something went wrong - perhaps we should have avoided those icebergs?"

It is of course not a given that an empowered FCC will do anything useful ... but it is almost certain that doing nothing will let global corporations continue their manipulations.

Can you guys in the USA at least TRY to keep things in balance? And don't take too long. Please.
@johnfenjackson@...

I can understand that it's hard to believe in light of the current political climate over here in the USA, but it's welcome news for some of us, too. We're not all foam-at-the-mouth conservatives; they just get the most press because they make the most noise.

Of course, we're not all progressives, either. Some of us just want corporations restrained a little bit from their baser instincts. We don't want them to have the keys to the kingdom, but we don't want to regulate them into oblivion, either.

I saw a slogan that sums it up nicely: I love my country but I fear my government.
@clfitz I noticed the venom you use when describing Conservatives but not Socialists or Progressives like yourself??
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@clfitz
It's kind of hard to make a distinction between government and country. Did the country start the Iraq war, or the government?

If you believe we have a representative government, then the actions of the government are the actions of the country. If you don't believe we have a representative government, perhaps you should get on the bandwagon for proposals to make it so.
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Foam-at-the-mouth?
SAStarling 22nd Dec 2010
@clfitz

....you forgot to use that perjorative when describing progressives/socialists.
@walt3233 and SAStarling...

Okay, how about this: "Foam-at-the-mouth Socialsts". Just for kicks" "Foam-at-the-mouth clfitzes". Feel better?

Seriously, I intended to convey the difference between ordinary, reasonable conservatives, which includes a few of my close friends, and the Rush Limbaugh type who seem to spew the word "Socialist" every time somebody mentions the gummint.

Hey, come to think of it...
@JohnVoter...

I don't think it's at all hard to distinguish between the two. How often do your goals and wishes align with those who actually make the decisions?

I DON'T believe we have a representative government, although I believe we're supposed to have, according to the Constitution, and I believe we had one a couple hundred years ago. No one in government now is representing ME, though. As long as our representatives are allowed to sell themselves to the highest bidder (under the cloak of "Freedom of Speech", of course) they'll never represent the people, just their owners and big business.

And yes, I've gotten on several bandwagons to make it so.
@Larry Dignan
You might want to read the "Brand X" decision before telling people Congress never gave the FCC authority to keep the internet free and open.
@JohnVoter The continuing resolution which allows the FCC and every other government agency to continue to pay its employees expires early next year. If anyone at the FCC is expecting an appropriation that includes funds to make or enforce net neutrality rules, they are smoking rope. The FCC may have "decided" to do it, but they will have no funds with which to proceed. It will then be clear, "Brand X" or not, whether Congress intended the FCC to regulate the Internet.
"Hello! We're from the government, and we're here to help you!"

"Run, Forrest! Run!"
will tell them where to stuff their regulations.

Congress has not given the FCC any power to regulate any part of the internet. What the FCC is trying to do is to regulate where congress decided a few times already that, the internet was doing fine as it was. Now that the FCC has decided to intervene with the internet, congress will overrule the FCC and the FCC's power might even get diminished.

The FCC is overreaching where it never had any power to regulate. Simple facts are often hard to accept by those who are on the side of bigger government and more regulations. What the FCC did was to make sure that their "regulations" were approved, by themselves, before the new congress was sworn in, in an attempt to preempt any actions from a new congress.

However, the people out here are watching, and congress will have to act to undo any attempt to "legislate" by an agency which is overreaching. The actions by the FCC is equivalent to legislating, and that is a power way beyond the power granted to them. The courts have already ruled against them, and now congress will have to legislate against them.
@adornoe@... Well put. EPA Next?
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Hear hear!
SAStarling 22nd Dec 2010
@rcaraway

I second that thought.
When anyone resorts to doublespeak, you have to question their basic integrity. Dishonest communication casts a shadow on the policy of "net neutrality" no matter what the particulars: http://bit.ly/fuEMvl
JohnVoter:
Did I read you right, that you are FOR THIS? If so, you are a bigger fool than I thought. DO YOU EVEN KNOW YOUR HISTORY ABOUT LIBERALS AND WHAT THEY DO AND HOW THEY DO IT? Probably not. They take little itty bitty baby steps to accomplish their goals until THEY TAKE CONTROL OF US. Wake up and SMELL the liberals. THEY STINK.
@SherryCan You are painting a whole lot of people with a very broad brush, and it's disgusting. You are also far, far off topic here.

Do you have something to say about net neutrality, or do you understand the topic at hand enough to discuss it?
This is a shot across the bow against free speech. The feds have no constitutional authority to regulate the airwaves or the Internet.
This is just another nail in the coffin for liberty and an open society.
Congress needs to pull funding for the FCC until they get these progressives at the FCC under control.
@bharris0@... Actually, the FCC's EXPLICIT PURPOSE is to regulate the airwaves!

Perhaps you should read up on exactly what Net Neutrality actually is--because it is intrinsically tied to free speech. Net Neutrality IS free speech and open access, as far as the Internet goes.

We should never have needed these policies in the first place, except that Comcast (the ONLY broadband provider where I live) has already meddle with things and blocked MY access to parts of the Internet in the past.

It is EXACTLY equal to my purchasing electricity from "elec" company, but the electricity they connect to my house suddenly only powers devices that "elec" partners with--not whatever device *I* choose!

It would be great if we didn't need net neutrality laws. He'll, it would be great if we didn't need the darned Constiution, and people just did what they are supposed to do and be decent. But they don't, and WE DO NEED IT!!
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Be careful what you wish for...
lshanahan 22nd Dec 2010
...you just might get it.

In order to avoid letting ISPs create a "fast lane" on the Information Superhighway, three (unelected) people have determined that ISPs can now charge users for every mile they drive.

So instead of high-bandwidth users having the option of paying more for better quality service, they get to pay more with no increase in quality.

Yeah, that worked.
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Fanatical anti-government frothing
trcrtps 22nd Dec 2010
@SAStarling,bharris,SherryCan,et al JohnVoter is correct.Study the BrandX case before you comment. Anyway,not to worry. Our activist Supreme Court will decide that FCC regs impinge on ISPs "free speech" rights and will allow them free reign to set prices, restrictions and usage ceilings. 2010 will seem like the "good old days".
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You people are Nucking Futs!
reziol 22nd Dec 2010
Or am I misreading the posts? You are AGAINST the ruling that the internet is to be free and open? You're for Comcast and their ilk bending you over in order to access any sites that you wish? You're in favor of throttling? If that's what I'm reading, then my subject line holds. Personally, I favor the ruling. I don't want Comcast or any other ISP telling me that I can't have the UNLIMITED bandwidth I paid for - unless, of course, that I use it to access THEIR proprietary content. No thank you. I paid for unlimited, I want unlimited. And that's what this ruling says - that the ISP's, if selling unlimited bandwidth, have to provide unfettered and unrestricted and certainly unlimited bandwidth.
Otherwise, to use the phone company as an analogy. You get basic service from your local phone company (internet access from your ISP). For long distance, you can get any provider - your phone company; AT&T; Fly-by-night awning, screen-door, and long distance company: etc. But you pay for that. Without this ruling, your phone company would be able to charge the proverbial arm and leg for long distance service and to make you want to buy it, randomly and often sever the connection to your current LD provider. With this ruling, they cannot legally interfere with your choice of LD provider. Or do you like being told what you can and cannot buy/use/access/etc.
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