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Firefox 4: Can it become 'super-duper' fast?

By | May 11, 2010, 4:24am PDT

Summary: Mozilla’s Firefox browser is a lot like an aging athlete: It’s far easier to stay in shape than it is to fall out of shape and recover. Firefox is in that latter camp, a slightly plump browser that aims to be as buff as a sprinter—even “super-duper fast” in its next version.

Mozilla’s Firefox browser is a lot like an aging athlete: It’s far easier to stay in shape than it is to fall out of shape and recover. Firefox is in that latter camp, a slightly plump browser that aims to be as buff as a sprinter—even “super-duper fast” in its next version.

When it comes to browsers, the success of Google’s Chrome reveals thin is in. Minimalist matters. The challenge for established browsers like Internet Explorer and Firefox is that they have to slim down a bit. However, that’s easier said than done when you have a bunch of plug-ins, add-ons and an established user base you can’t afford to alienate.

With that backdrop Mike Belzner, vice president of engineering at Firefox, delivered a Webcast outlining plans for Firefox 4. The message boils down to three words (Techmeme): Performance, power and personalization. Firefox needs to be fast, tidy and support new technologies such as 64-bit, Direct2D on Windows and other items.

Gallery: First looks at Firefox 4

The big plan (video) is to get Firefox 4 to folks by November. Everything Belzner outlined Tuesday came with a heavy caveat: Plans will change. In a nutshell, Belzner laid out plans to hit three areas:

  • Users should get a fast browser with cleaner navigation, the power to manage relationships with Web sites and customization features.
  • Web developers should get tools to create quick Web apps, HTML 5 technologies, native multimedia and other developer goodies.
  • And Firefox 4 should be built on a platform that’s stable, secure, optimized the latest hardware and armed with more speed.

Here’s a look at some of the Firefox 4 concepts (all stamped with a big “plans may change” logo):

Belzner also did a nice job at outlining the current state and risks for the various project parties. Here’s the look at the gaps for users.

There’s a chart for Web developers too in Belzner’s slides. The most notable point is that one gap for Web developers was that Firefox’s syntax maps to the W3C not Webkit.

And here are the platform risks, which made some interesting points. For instance, does Firefox support touch? How about driver integration?

Like most Mozilla projects, this one is worth watching. And the best thing is that it’s all out in the open for educational purposes.

Here’s the full Slideshare presentation:

Firefox 4: fast, powerful and empowering

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RE: Firefox 4: Can it become 'super-duper' fast?
yarinsiz Updated - 11th May 2011
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RE: Firefox 4: Can it become 'super-duper' fast?
Loverock Davidson 11th May 2010
Its not so much a matter of being super-duper fast as it is being functional. More people choose Firefox because of the add-ons that make it functional. Google's Chrome has issues which make it non-functional. Also, Firefox has never tried to spy on me like Chrome does. Mozilla will get the right combo of speed/functionality making it a winner.
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RE: Firefox 4: Can it become 'super-duper' fast?
asusmx 11th May 2010
@Loverock Davidson
What issue with chrome. I use the beta and it's just perfect. When I browse the net, speed is real important, browser gadgets comes second. Spying? Do you seriously think that a respectable company like Google would risk everything by spying. You watch way too many James Bond...
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RE: Firefox 4: Can it become 'super-duper' fast?
rgwoneness 11th May 2010
@asusmx Don't be naive, Chrome does 'spy' on you. When I use it to browse ecommerce sites, ads served on web sites subsequently visited show products i have previously browsed. This doesn't happen with Firefox. Google retain far too much personally identifiable information for me to feel comfortable.
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That's the price you pay for using their free spyware
ubiquitous one 11th May 2010
C'mon now, did you really think Chrome would block Google-Analytics?

lol... grin
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Oh I guess Generically popping up site history is SPYING... OMG
Monarky 12th May 2010
@asusmx Right..... Google never touches your personal information and only gather generic data for Google-Analytics to be used for ads on the Public Internet Roads.

If that's spying on you, then you better stay off of Public Roads too. That monitor your every turn and failure to yield, what color your car is and what your license number is. Then they can use it to get your name, address and all your personal information, you never dreamed they knew. Stores, markets, malls, office buildings, banks all record everything you do. You most likely have Millions of pictures of you stored somewhere in this World!

Most of all don't ever use programs by Apple like iTunes which is notorious for Spyware, adware and yes..... malware processes running in the background on your computer. They know who you are better than you do!

AT least Google Chrome doesn't do any of that on your computer. But.... even worse (like Microsoft), own your Operating System and tell you that they don't use any of the personal information they gather for anything. Well then what do they gather it for? ....just to log every key stroke and program open close for their own health? Doubt it. If you have a real firewall... do you ever notice how many times your OS wants to contact Microsoft?

Grow up people...... and yes Chrome uses the exact same Add On structure, so the many of the same Add Ons run on it as they do in Firefox! wink
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You dont work in computer security
Altotus 3rd Jun 2010
You have no clue Googles fortune and all other search is based on information gathered from web surfing and advertising. In a way its all about information collection or "spying". James Bond works on the low paid thankless tasks in the government sector everyone else (advertising and market research) does ok. Google is a respectable company that is engaged in advertising there are less respectable companies as well.
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RE: Firefox 4: Can it become 'super-duper' fast?
jrockefeller1@... 11th May 2010
The biggest issue facing Firefox is that over time it gets slower and slower. Eventually you have to close it and restart it in order to start fresh.
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I don't have that issue
Snooki_smoosh_smoosh 11th May 2010
@jrockefeller1@... Of course most issue's I have had with FF is and has been flash. Kill flash fix the problems. Flash Block works wonders.
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RE: RE: Firefox 4: Can it become 'super-duper' fast?
blueskip Updated - 11th May 2010
@jrockefeller1@... And IE has this problem as well as Chrome. All three eventually bog my machine down. Chrome is worse at hogging ram than Firefox ever dreamed of being.
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Screen Shot #4 is scary.
Snooki_smoosh_smoosh 11th May 2010
Sharing my location with a site? Um it had better not.
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RE: Firefox 4: Can it become 'super-duper' fast?
djrraz@... 11th May 2010
@JM1981
if you look at the screen shot closer, you see a stop sharing my location option...
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RE: Firefox 4: Can it become 'super-duper' fast?
tripolitan 11th May 2010
@djrraz@... Sure but "Negative Option" should not be part of browsing. It should not be shared by default, it should be by choice.
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RE: Firefox 4: Can it become 'super-duper' fast?
crislevin 11th May 2010
@JM1981 its already in firefox 3.6, and yes, users will have to allow it first each time for each website that ask for it. Firefox will remind you, but will not share by default. Did you not know that?
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RE: Firefox 4: Can it become 'super-duper' fast?
Louis Ross Focke 11th May 2010
@JM1981
I think that what this feature does is allows you to block a cookie that a random site adds to your computer and then tracks you form sending the data that it is requesting. This is a good thing and should be part of all browsers. Speed is no longer the issue for me and should be at least part of the website developers responsibility. Sites seem to be the most demanding of bandwidth not necessarily the browsers rendering there of.
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RE: Firefox 4: Can it become 'super-duper' fast?
axelfUK 11th May 2010
Surely it is just a matter of Firefox being lean, mean and stable and then letting the enduser choose what to put on in the way of add-ons and plug-ins so we can decide how to customise FF for our particular needs. Or am I just being naive and silly..?
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It can, but it probably wont.
magusat999@... 11th May 2010
Whenever we talk about browser speed, we are referring to the raw program - no history, no cache build-up, no extensions, no favorites or any other add-ons. I severely doubt that an experienced Firefox 4 with a decent amount of usage and history will feel any faster than the current one.
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How fast does it need to be???
Narg 11th May 2010
Are we letting the "super-duper" type "A"s run amuck here????
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RE: Firefox 4: Can it become 'super-duper' fast?
albill 11th May 2010
The article might have slightly more credibility if Mike Beltzner's last name was not consistently misspelled.
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RE: Firefox 4: Can it become 'super-duper' fast?
alexanderblums 11th May 2010
"Delete history for a specific site"

-The only use I can think for that is for porn sites :/ Not really something they want to put up if they`re trying to simplify things up.
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Thin? I like a full-figured browser.
rob weller 11th May 2010
Chrome might be runway thin, but it's a little vacuous.

Any developers eager to see fuller CSS3 implementation? Chrome is still spotty with CSS2. Try "text-transform" and see Chrome smile vaguely and shrug. (I don't need a new IE--choosy about which 10-year-old standards it'll implement.)
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Firefox 4? Firefox 3.6.3 plenty good for me.
rgeiken@... 11th May 2010
I have 32 bit vista, 4 gig of ram, and a quad processor, so FF 3.6.3 works fine for me. If someone has a less powerful machine, maybe Google or a lesser powered Browser might work fine for them. I have IE8 and Google installed on my computer, but rarely use them. Speed per se is not something that is that impressive to me. The current speed of my FF 3.X is more than adequate for my needs. The things that these article writers focus on are not necessarily issues to Firefox users. It has taken me a long time to customize my Browser, and not about to spend a lot of time doing that with another since I am more than satisfied with what I have. I like Add Ons and definitely want them to be in FF 4.
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RE: Firefox 4: Can it become 'super-duper' fast?
davidbteague@... 11th May 2010
I really like FF, and look forward to FF4
OT remark: As long as FF4 doesn't become like TB3 (which is slow, and it loads, moves, and delete large messages in a 'go get a cup of coffee" slow speed) then I'll stay with FF. As I said, I really like FF.
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Well, I think firefox is way better ...
Sunshyyne 11th May 2010
FF is first of all a browser I like very much and I think it can be faster since it previous versions are faster than IE, Dragon, e.t.c.... In fact it will be satisfactory I believe!
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Not one mention of "Secure"
ejhonda 11th May 2010
Interesting...
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Do Not Remember Passwords !!
zddownloader 11th May 2010
It should be against the law for a browser to remember a password ( screen shot #2 ).
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That's why you configure before using.
NickNielsen 11th May 2010
Select Tools | Options and click on the Security tab. Clear the "Remember passwords for sites" checkbox.
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RE: Firefox 4: Can it become 'super-duper' fast?
ShowMeGrrl 11th May 2010
I used to love Firefox but then it started taking SO LONG to launch and I'd have to re-start it from time to time when it bogged down. I finally switched to Chrome, which was much zippier. I've been very happy with Chrome.
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my 2 cents...
xTalk 11th May 2010
All those popular add-ons like adblock ,noscript, TMP, etc., should now be part of core feature of FF. 3rd party add-ons often slows down the browser.
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RE: Firefox 4: Can it become 'super-duper' fast?
norearlster@... 11th May 2010
One reason I prefer Firefox is that I like its overall clean appearance and the availability of the classic compact them. I also favor its speed.

However, I wonder if a future Firefox will read MHT files.

ELD
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RE: Firefox 4: Can it become 'super-duper' fast?
bloviator 11th May 2010
Who says minimalist matters? I believe that most people prefer FF because of its super add-ons. If FF sacrifices the ability for users to continue getting useful add-ons that work most of the time it will lose its edge. Almost all IE add-ins are worthless; Chrome's don't function too often and if you want minimalist go to Safari
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Apples Safari or Webkit
madmax_2069 11th May 2010
@bloviator

Safari is Webkit basically, but Webkit is updated more often. i would choose Webkit over Apples safari just because of that.

But my browser of choice in either Windows or OS X is Firefox. got to love some of the Add-ons for FF.
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RE: Firefox 4: Can it become 'super-duper' fast?
JesseJr 11th May 2010
Recently 11 May 2010.... Google added new striplets of code to make Scroogle invalid. This eliminates the unobserved browsing one can do with Scroogle. Google's interest is in finding out where you have been and exploiting that. Of course, everyone knows they hand over all of our browsing history to the NSA...everything and everywhere we have been. Same with Yahoo.
...Even Mozilla can not eliminate that invasion of privacy... Anyone know of a similar Scroogle apparatus ?
..They can improve Mozilla but what good is speed/plug ins if everything we do is handed over to Big Brother?
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They all become a hog eventually
jscott418 11th May 2010
Because the browser developer's keep trying for their browser to be all things to all users. Eventually it becomes bloated and slow. Firefox to me is that way for sure. It did not start out that way. But for me the add ons can mean shortcuts and save time. But they can be poorly written code and become the problem too. I would like to see Firefox create some better guidelines to make sure the add ons are ully functional on existing and on the next version as it gets closer to a release. This ideal of not being able to upgrade because of incompatibility with some add ons is a problem.
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Exercise some self-discipline
ubiquitous one Updated - 12th May 2010
@jscott418, if you don't want FF to bog down, then don't load it with beaucoup plug-ins.

It's no wonder people complain and they have over 15 plug-ins running at the same time.

The fewer the plug-ins, the faster it runs.
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RE: Firefox 4: Can it become 'super-duper' fast?
Wallyitong 11th May 2010
I use chrome for most video surfing - TV programs, Hulu, and so forth. I won't use it for my everyday stuff, because Google is far too intrusive.

If Firefox goes in this direction, I'll begin to look elsewhere, perhaps Opera, which I like as well. Firefox is my choice because of the extensions. I ALWAYS lag behind due to this, so I wouldn't update to 4.x right away, anyway.
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mouseworking@... 11th May 2010
Firefox has been laughable for a long time now, people have simply resisted dropping because of familiarity. Opera however has has been and remains the fastest and most stable browser for decades. Revitalizing a dead horse by spraying it with air freshener has been Firefox's answer for way too long! Every plug-in for Firefox has been a feature of trim and lean Opera for years.
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cosmicfoole@... 11th May 2010
What Firefox does best is encountering problems and needing to close. Len Norris
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Visited Links in Framed Pages/Memory Leak
noobinberg 11th May 2010
I'll be suprised when they actually fix the major memory leak....as well as remembering visited links in framed web pages upon browser restart. Too many times I've gone into task manager and saw more than 200 MB of memory being used by FF. And not being able to know which links I've visited in framed web pages can be very annoying.
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noobinberg 11th May 2010
I'll be suprised when they actually fix the major memory leak....as well as remembering visited links in framed web pages upon browser restart. Too many times I've gone into task manager and saw more than 200 MB of memory being used by FF. And not being able to know which links I've visited in framed web pages can be very annoying.
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PLEASE do not remove the menu bar!!!
speedbooster 11th May 2010
Hi,
Being a professional software developer with more focus on web development, I use IE and firefox because of ease of use. I tried to use chrome for a while but its awkwardly showy. The most common menus are "indirectly" accessible.
When you do web development or design, you want the menus to be directly accessible with few clicks. Thats why I'm sticking with Firefox for quite a while, as its faster than most browsers (IE) and has quickly accessible menus.

If the guys at firefox DO want to copy the impractical Chrome UI, then please have a setting option for the classic UI too, for thats more important to most of the workers

Nobody has to follow blindly the Google impractically odd stylish track. You don't want to remove "http://" prefix and menus just to follow their tracks and because there is a bunch of Google fans who side with their every single awkward product just because its a competitior to Microsoft and the other corporate giants.

Atleast the corporate giants have ethics, and sorry to say, Google has recently started misusing its fan-base in launching corporate level offenses to their competitors and also in establishing itself at the gateways of information, the DNS. Don't feel comfortable for the privacy issues you're gonna have soon.

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PLEASE dont remove the menu bar!!!
speedbooster 11th May 2010
Hi,
Being a professional software developer with more focus on web development, I use IE and firefox because of ease of use. I tried to use chrome for a while but its awkwardly showy. The most common menus are "indirectly" accessible.
When you do web development or design, you want the menus to be directly accessible with few clicks. Thats why I'm sticking with Firefox for quite a while, as its faster than most browsers (IE) and has quickly accessible menus.

If the guys at firefox DO want to copy the impractical Chrome UI, then please have a setting option for the classic UI too, for thats more important to most of the workers

Nobody has to follow blindly the Google impractically odd stylish track. You don't want to remove "http://" prefix and menus just to follow their tracks and because there is a bunch of Google fans who side with their every single awkward product just because its a competitior to Microsoft and the other corporate giants.

Atleast the corporate giants have ethics, and sorry to say, Google has recently started misusing its fan-base in launching corporate level offenses to their competitors and also in establishing itself at the gateways of information, the DNS. Don't feel comfortable for the privacy issues you're gonna have soon.

:)!
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PLEASE dont remove the menu bar!!!
ubiquitous one 11th May 2010
I totally agree!

For those who don't think it's necessary, you can currently hide it in 3.6 and have all the Chrome-like 'minimalist" you want.

But for those who do (like myself), leave it built-in natively. I'm a keyboard shortcut guy who uses the Alt keys a lot
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I think your biased...
shadfurman 12th May 2010
@speedbooster Everything in chrome is accessible within two clicks and accessible by key-combos. I don't know how you mean "indirectly". For page options you click on the page, for configuration options you click on the wrench, seems very intuitive to me... You didn't mention anything firefox HAS that chrome doesn't.
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indalum@... 11th May 2010
@axelfUK
No, you are right on the nail. (And stop calling me Shirley.)
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Strange, not exactly well informed article
Mitch 74 11th May 2010
Firefox mappig to W3C, not to Webkit: that's GOOD. Webkit is made for one thing, and one thing only:

Succeed at benchmarks.

Try and use it to build a website, you'll be sorry.
I'll take one example: the stylesheets collection. While I can manage stylesheets through Javascript in Firefox, Opera AND IE 7/8 (yes, even dumb IE), a 6 years old bug (Webkit can't deal with alternate stylesheets) remains in Chrome/Safari. the bug has been hit several times. The developers have looked at it a grand total of zero times since 2004.

Another one? Alright. Safari on the iPhone can't deal with content-overflow:scroll on anything other than the body. Firefox, IE, Opera... All can (even IE 5).

So, all those Webkit fanboys really pis me off.

Firefox not handling touch: actually, it's not Firefox' problem, it's the OS's. Firefox is actually multiple pointers input capable, merely untested.

Firefox not 64-bit: I've been using a 64-bit build of Firefox ever since version 1.5. 64-bit Firefox on Linux does work. Even with 64-bit Flash.

I've been using 64-bit chromium for a while too. Sometimes, it's very fast.

Some other times, it times out on loading a 16k, dumb HTML, web page, served from localhost.

If Firefox fast? Not really. Is Firefox AdBlock, when browsing websites such as ZDnet, fast? You bet it is.

IF Firefox 3.7 Direct2D fast? Yes, quite. I'd like to test the OpenGL-rendered version, too - it should work better on Linux.

If threaded Firefox working? Looks like it. The next official version (3.6.4 'Lorentz') will render Flash, Media Player and Silverlight in a different thread.

If Firefox RAM-hungry? Back to the above 3.6.4 (right now in beta build 2), the thread that gets fat fast is the 'plugins' one... Which I can kill, and the browsing is uninterrupted.
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radar_z 11th May 2010
Building browsers is like building a first rate fighter airplane. Initially the design is for speed and maneuverability. Then someone says we need to have the plane drop bombs. The someone says we need it to be able to fly off and on a carrier. Ultimately you have a pig which doesn't do anything well. I'd like a Firefox startup menu: 1> SPEED version with no add-ons or media playing files; 2> MEDIUM SPEED with ability to open pdf files; 3> SLOW SPEED version with all media and add-on capabilities.
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asusmx 11th May 2010
In regards to this comment:
@asusmx Don't be naive, Chrome does 'spy' on you. When I use it to browse ecommerce sites, ads served on web sites subsequently visited show products i have previously browsed. This doesn't happen with Firefox. Google retain far too much personally identifiable information for me to feel comfortable.

FROM :rgwoneness
05/11/2010 03:26 PM

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If you are to insinuate that I might be naive. First please submit me a site where I can replicate what you are advancing. This sort of things that you are refering isn't likely spying. I have been to this sort of site with IE and the same was happening. Where does Chrome retain that information that other website can retreive except cookies. Sounds to me like an option not set the same way then in FF. So let's test that. Send me a link, which other people can also test for themself, and if you're right, I will give it to you. But I doubt you will ever reply to this...
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serendipityii 11th May 2010
@rgwoneness I have the same thing happen with FF ads have items I looked at but I still find FF better for me than Chrome
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Please let's reinvent the wheel
tonymcs@... 11th May 2010
Firefox may do better by hiring a graphic designer. It still looks like something out of the 1990s.

Please someone tell me what would persuade anyone to not use the perfectly good IE that comes with most people's OS? FUD mostly I presume.

As a developer I now have to support IE, FF, Safari, Opera and reluctantly Chrome - which has the most problems. Worse still as an eLearning developer, there is no single audio/video format I can use that works on everything. HTML 5 is still a mess with only Safari offering mp3 and H264 video on the Mac (FF doesn't support MP3 as HTML5) which of course I can't play on Windows (H264) unless I have Flash or the latest WMP. Since Apple is insisting Flash is BAD (Quicktime anyone ;-)) I can't depend on that being there either.

Currently I choose mp3 and wmv format as I can use the Windows Media Player plugin for most other browsers and Flip4Mac on the Mac.

The worse part of all is we have to use all of these as development platforms with IDEs that remind me once again of the 1990s. Desktop development makes web development look like coding with a clay tablet and stick.

The first mistake was thinking a picture frame should be a development environment wink
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Tom62 11th May 2010
I've tried out several browsers on my PC and Mac. In most cases the speed doesn't really make much difference. With a fast DSL connection, I don't really care if Firefox loads a page in 30 milliseconds, Safari in 20 and Internet Explorer in 40. More important to me is that websites are shown correctly on the screen and that I can easily access the browser functions that I use the most.
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yarinsiz Updated - 11th May 2011
Great!!! thanks for sharing this information to us!
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