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Larry Dignan, Andrew Nusca and Rachel King

Google Chromebook pilots ahead: What we can learn from the CR-48?

By | May 23, 2011, 2:30am PDT

Summary: Google’s Chromebook will be officially available June 15 and a bevy of corporate pilots are likely to follow. Here’s a look at one early pilot with the Chromebook’s precursor and the lessons learned.

Google’s Chromebook will be officially available June 15 and a bevy of corporate pilots are likely to follow. After all, the Chromebook will at least warrant enterprise investigation given the potential costs savings.

Can the Chromebook trump the thin client? How about the desktop? Will the Chromebook be used primarily with Google Apps customers? What are the extra costs if you have to get to older enterprise apps via Citrix?

With those questions looming, we caught up with Glenn Weinstein, chief technology officer of Appirio. Weinstein handed CR-48s—a precursor to the Chromebooks coming June 15—to all 250 U.S. employees in a pilot to see what would happen. Appirio workers get a choice of a Dell laptop or Apple MacBook Pro. Weinstein wanted to see how the Chromebook would be used in the field.

It should be noted that Appirio isn’t exactly the average enterprise. It operates completely in the cloud, which makes sense because it integrates Amazon Web Services, Google Apps, Salesforce, Workday and other SaaS applications such as NetSuite. “We vowed that we would never have a server,” said Weinstein. “The entire business is operated in the cloud.”

For perspective, Appirio is a software as a service and cloud systems integrator that specializes in doing things like connecting Google Apps to Salesforce implementations. Appirio is rated as a “strong performer” in the Salesforce.com implementation market, by Forrester.

Here’s where Appirio fits in the Salesforce.com landscape:

With that backdrop it’s no surprise that Appirio—the largest reseller of Google Apps—was an early Chromebook tester. Here’s a look at Weinstein’s top takeaways from the CR-48 (right), a clunky, underpowered notebook that still found users. Also: My Google Chromebook has arrived: First impressions after an hour

  • The Chromebook was used as a complement to other devices. “We gave to the CR-48 to employees and see what they would do with it and when they would revert to their laptops,” said Weinstein. “Three months in the CR-48 exceeded expectations. The majority of employees are using the CR-48s every day, but not all day.”

That usage is notable given the hardware imperfections of the CR-48, which had trackpad issues and was pretty basic. Samsung and Acer’s hardware will be much more polished and will be able to handle cameras being added to the Chromebook etc.

  • Consultants reverted back to laptops when on customer sites. Weinstein noted that consultants had trouble with the Chromebook on customer sites that used Outlook. In other words, Appirio, which uses Google Apps, was a natural fit for the Chromebook internally. Externally, the Chromebook may be trickier to use if partners aren’t cloud ready or SaaS happy.
  • Desktop sharing was a hang-up in the CR-48 pilot. Weinstein said one of the big hurdles with the first Chromebook pilot was the lack of support for desktop sharing. Appirio uses Citrix’s GoToMeeting a lot. “We do a lot of desktop sharing and not having a GoToMeeting client was tough,” he said. “We expect that hurdle to be crossed.”
  • The Chromebook will ride shotgun with Apps customers—at first. Weinstein is waiting to get into the next Chromebook program since Appirio is interested in the devices as a reseller and customer. Weinstein thinks that Chromebooks may appeal to current Google Apps customers. Appirio deployed Google Apps at Genentech, International Hotels Group and Motorola so there’s a big enterprise base to start seeding Chromebook accounts. Weinstein expects that the Chromebook and Apps will ultimately be bundled—at least that’s Appirio’s plan as a reseller.
  • Chromebooks can find a role in the enterprise. “The perception is that the Chromebook won’t be appropriate for certain companies,” said Weinstein. “You need to look at job titles more than companies. Most of the workforce can work on a browser-only machine,” he said.
  • Google has a good total cost of ownership case with the Chromebook. Weinstein said Appirio’s costs are really low for desktop clients. Since the company doesn’t have a virtual private network, most of the laptop costs are related to the machines, customer care programs from Apple and Dell and helpdesk costs. In a nutshell, Appirio is paying $125 a month per employee for PCs. Most enterprises are pushing $400 a month. Weinstein said at $28 a month for the Chromebook his full cost with helpdesk support will probably be more like $50 a month per user. “The savings will be much more dramatic for other enterprises,” said Weinstein. “Couple the Chromebook savings with Apps and moving off Exchange and there’s a nice TCO story.” Also: Google’s Chromebook for business: Interesting math, but your mileage will vary
  • Change management costs will depend on culture. Appirio spends a lot of time on change management with Apps deployments. The focus is on executives and their assistants, who spend the most time with Google Mail and Calendar. Weinstein thinks that Chromebooks will have a cool factor that will help get employees on board. Chromebooks will be gradually adopted much like Google Apps has.
  • The security story will sell. “The Chromebook can’t store data on the hard drive and that means more secure computing,” said Weinstein. “If you look at the high publicity data breaches a lot of them come down to stolen laptops and client side problems. If you remove that lost laptop scenario it’s more secure.” When asked about a stored password on a Chromebook, Weinstein noted that Apps and Chromebooks will support two-factor authentication. “When you lose a Chromebook you just get a new one,” he said.

My take: The key for Chromebook pilots will be supporting the must-haves in the enterprise. Google’s partnership with Citrix is key and further details on a VMware partnership will also be welcome. The Chromebook doesn’t have to do everything, but just enough to become a complement. The economic story is there and that will generate plenty of interest. In the short run, Chromebooks will appeal to companies already using Google Apps. Whether it’s Chromebook, desktop virtualization or something else, the long-term trend is in place: Companies are going to be looking to ditch the laptop management business.

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RE: Google Chromebook pilots ahead: What we can learn from the CR-48?
tringo007 29th Sep
Today, while I was at work, my cousin stole my apple ipad and tested to see if it can survive a thirty foot drop, just so she can be a youtube sensation. My iPad is now destroyed and she has 83 views. I know this is totally off topic but I had to share it with someone! gates millenium scholarship
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It's all about choice. Thanks Google.
Dietrich T. Schmitz, ~-~ Your Linux Advocate 23rd May 2011
Brought to you by: Linux
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If it were only so.
kenosha77a 23rd May 2011
@Dietrich T. Schmitz, ~-~ Your Linux Advocate

Re: It's all about choice ... Well, yes, and also about good old fashion dollar bills. I'll let you decide which is more important for the survivability of ChromeOS.
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Were it not for Linux where would choice be?
Dietrich T. Schmitz, ~-~ Your Linux Advocate 23rd May 2011
@kenosha7777
nt
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Only
Michael Alan Goff 23rd May 2011
Windows, OSX, BSD, Unix.

Nothing, really. :P
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Then correct the statemnet to make it true
Will Pharaoh 23rd May 2011
@Dietrich T. Schmitz, ~-~ Your Linux Advocate

Windows: Its all about giving you choice.
OS X: It's all about giving you choice.

Choice existed long ago, it's just that most people didn't choose Linux.

There's something to be said about "usability" too,
@Will Pharaoh Touche'
@Will Pharaoh

happy
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The correct statement to be even more true
ScorpioBlue 23rd May 2011
Windows: Its all about giving you choice.

Try telling my employer that.

OS X: It's all about giving you choice.

If you've got the bread to pay for it.

Choice existed long ago, it's just that most people didn't choose Linux.

No, they didn't know about Linux. The average person has never heard of Linux before. Having no knowledge about it means the same as having no choice.
@Will Pharaoh And most people don't choose Windows either, they just use what came installed on their PC.

By the way I have replaced Windows with Linux on all my friends laptops and no one has ever complained about usability or anything else for that matter, and I know that in 5 years time their computers will still be running as fast as they were on day one.
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@Will Pharaoh
and give little thought to what it runs for them. It is not like the consumer decides he wants a Windows machine, then looks at what hardware is available with Windows as the installed option.

You give too little credit to your fellow humans, instead labeling them as mindless beings incapable of deciding what operating system they prefer.

plain
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Red herrings
ScorpioBlue 24th May 2011
and give little thought to what it runs for them. It is not like the consumer decides he wants a Windows machine, then looks at what hardware is available with Windows as the installed option.

That's generally true, yes. For most people, they just expect any OS that's on there. The OS is an afterthought. The browser I can use to get to the internet. Since 99% of the PCs already come with Windows, that's already taken for granted.

Try not to confuse that with 'love' or 'appreciation', k?

You give too little credit to your fellow humans, instead labeling them as mindless beings incapable of deciding what operating system they prefer.

Only when it suits you in this particular case. Otherwise (to you) they're just a bunch of unquestioning lemmings, willing to take whatever MS shovels at them.

I know because I used to be one of them. A typical Windows user.
@Will Pharaoh
Windows doesn't give you choice, and it isn't customers who didn't choose Linux. It is about the market manipulating cartel Microsoft runs in order manipulate OEMs and Windows pricing and rebates in order to keep OEMs from loading non-Windows operating systems.

Apple Mac only survived because Apple does not have to sell it's products through PC OEMs.

If you want to see what happens when the customer has a choice, then look at Windows Phone 7. A stunning 1.7% of smartphone sales, despite billions spent on promotion. That is what happens to Microsoft products when you dob't have a market fixing cartel in place. Incidentally Microsoft understands this all too well, and that is why it is attempting to form cartels in the mobile phone market with Nokia. What happened when customers had the choice there? Nokia's sales plummet by 66% after announcement of the deal.
Today, while I was at work, my cousin stole my apple ipad and tested to see if it can survive a thirty foot drop, just so she can be a youtube sensation. My iPad is now destroyed and she has 83 views. I know this is totally off topic but I had to share it with someone! gates millenium scholarship
@Dietrich T. Schmitz

Nevermind the user's never gonna see the OS, just the browser.
@Dietrich T. Schmitz, ~-~ Your Linux Advocate Thought you were old enough to recognise the thin client scam?
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We will have to wait and see
facebook@... 23rd May 2011
Appirio is highlighting the flaw that was found in the Netbook. Namely, that it the Chromebook did not replace the laptop or desktop. The Chromebook was used to augment the laptop. Taking the Appirio model, it was $128 per month for the laptop plus an additional $28 per month for the Chromebook.

Consumers and Enterprises will need to think long and hard on the use case of the Chromebook. Is it a cost-savings tool that can be used to replace "more expensive devices" or is it a tech gadget that is purpose-built for web surfing?
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Maybe you need to ....
Economister Updated - 23rd May 2011
@facebook@...

re-read the blog, without your fan boy glasses on.
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@Economister Exactly. Re-read it.

"The Chromebook was used as a complement to other devices. We gave to the CR-48 to employees and see what they would do with it and when they would revert to their laptops, said Weinstein.
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Tedious
Economister 23rd May 2011
@facebook@...

How the study was conducted for very valid practical reasons and how Appirio sees Chromebooks being used in enterprises are two VERY different situations. I am not surprised however that this point is lost on you.

You have made it even more obvious: you need to re-read the blog - again.
@Economister

Fair enough. How Appirio actually uses the Chromebooks and how they intend to position them in the market are two *very* different things.

Appirio used the chromebooks to augment their day to day activities. They will attempt to resell chromebooks and position them as desktop replacements.


In other words.....wait for it.....Just like netbooks. The only difference between this go-around is that we have Chromebook resellers instead of consumer electronic stores.
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I give up
Economister 23rd May 2011
@facebook@...

Wrong again, better luck next time
@Economister

OK, you think I am wrong. But just to be sure, you may want to come up with your apologist argument now.

For example, you can go with the Google Wave apologist argument when no one found it useful: "people just didn't get this revolutionary concept and it was too far ahead of its time."
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Sure they can.
@crazydanr@... Not here... Eventually, but right now Apps has been soundly sent to the minors by the users. IT office conversion classes tools how to use, how to integrate how to convert etc. It is a nice colaboration tool, but has not yet been a good replacement for the users Office.
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Much to do about nothing...
NoAxToGrind 23rd May 2011
It will go the same way netbooks did, down the tube.
@NoAxToGrind

I agree. For the life of me, I can't see where these devices fit between full function laptops on one side and iPads on the other. No one but the Linux wingnuts care about the operating system. The rest of us just want to get work done. I've got a nice Toshiba Portege running Windows 7 from my job, a great MacbookAir, and an iPad. Why the hell would I want a Chromebook in place of any of those?
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Your limited vision....
Economister 23rd May 2011
@levieuxmagicien

does not make others wrong
@levieuxmagicien That has been the net result here with the Apps side. If The web delivery gets better than this will be OK. What we have seen here is this will fail overall, but find very limited use in niche areas.
"Your limited vision...."

I want my flying car.

Sorry, vision does not always become reality.
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Highly persuasive ...
Economister 23rd May 2011
@NoAxToGrind

well thought out impeccably supported logical reasoning.
Nice going.
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Since Donnieboy hasn't arrived yet, allow me:
Hallowed are the Ori 23rd May 2011
GIMME a G!!!!!

Gimme an O!!!!

Gimme an O!!!!

Gimme a G!!!!

Gimme an L!!!!

Gimme an E!!!!

YaaaaaAAAAAY GOOGLE!!!!!
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Should you not...
Economister 23rd May 2011
@Hallowed are the Ori

be in kindergarten now?
@Economister

Nah. Pre-K.
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Ah..
Economister 23rd May 2011
@Hallowed are the Ori

All of a sudden all your infantile posts make perfect sense. Maybe you should go and play somewhere else then. This forum is for posters capable of adult level thoughts and adult level comments.
@Economister LOL - remember pot and kettle, pot and kettle.
@Hallowed are the Ori LMAO - that was great!
@Hallowed are the Ori
and getting ready to order TONS of Chromebooks happy
@Hallowed are the Ori

yep I believe Teal'c hates google.
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Google Chromebook in the enterprise
ThoughtFollower 23rd May 2011
"'You need to look at job titles more than companies. Most of the workforce can work on a browser-only machine,' he said."

Actually, what he's saying is "Most of the workforce can be *directed* to work on a browser-only machine." Machines with actual non-browser capabilities will be allocated to higher-ups in the management chain. Been there - done that. wink

I have to add, though, that the real fly in this whole ointment is how far Google Docs' spreadsheet is lagging behind Excel. Hell, Google Docs just got pivot tables last week! And I don't think there's anything in Google Docs that comes close to Access. Maybe that's a good thing - I always wondered where Access fit in the cosmic scheme of things between a powerful Excel and a powerful SQL Server.
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Spin
Economister 23rd May 2011
@ThoughtFollower

He is not talking about anyone being "directed", nor is he talking about "higher-ups". He is clearly but implicitly talking about the needs of the users, even if it suits you to put a different spin on it, the reasons for which I can only guess.
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Chromebook
bbking2012 23rd May 2011
I got Chromebook in the mail this past weekend for pilot program. It was like Christmas Day. I thought pilot had come and gone. It came with no letter or anything.
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Well...
Economister 23rd May 2011
@bbking2012

if you do not want the bother, I can send you my mailing address. wink
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"Googles partnership with Citrix is key and further details on a VMware partnership will also be welcome." This is the biggest key in my opinion. If they can get this seamless and you have access 24X7 to a GOOD connection, then it could work. Mobile workers I see a problem, due to the inability to connect. In addition with the carriers you have to add in the data connection costs. Right now that's limited to when they get home and/or are in our customers sites and they actually need to be connected. That connection/data plan cost seems to be ignored.
The test one comes with Verizon Broadband. Loving this thing. Comes on almost instantly and battery last forever.
"Can the Chromebook trump the thin client?'

The Chromebook is essentially a modern thin client :/. I don't see a big difference.

"How about the desktop?"

You and your friends have asked this of pretty much every new device on the planet.

The answer is always the same.

The desktop is a form factor, not a technology.

"Appirio is rated as a 'strong performer' in the Salesforce.com implementation market, by Forrester."

Sounds pretty subjective to me.

"The Chromebook can?t store data on the hard drive and that means more secure computing"

Because they'll attack the servers and kill everybody, rather than attacking individual clients and killing one person.

Sorry, I'm just not convinced anymore, after seeing the rash of issues recently.

"If you look at the high publicity data breaches a lot of them come down to stolen laptops and client side problems."

Kinda like the Sony story, right? No, wait, nvm.
I have a cr-48 and sold on it's concept (for education), but $20edu/mo/unit is twice my netbook model for 1:1. If I include the maintenance savings (which Google's version seems very bloated) I will also have to include the training and searching for alternatives time, which will be at least 4x what I saved on maintenance.

Log story short; Chromebook is a great product but not cost effective.

-Bj
Askbj.net
how to print from a Chromebook?

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