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Google delivers open system treatise: Do you buy it?

By | December 22, 2009, 5:16am PST

Summary: Google delivered a treatise on open systems that explains the search giant’s strategy to managers, delivers a few jabs at rivals and lays out the landscape. The big question: Do you buy into Google’s open system religion and trust the company as a steward?

Jonathan Rosenberg, senior vice president of product management at Google, delivered a treatise on open systems that explains the search giant’s strategy to managers, delivers a few jabs at rivals and lays out the landscape. The big question: Do you buy into Google’s open system religion and trust the company as a steward?

Rosenberg’s uber memo, posted on Google’s blog, is worth a read. It revolves around an internal (not to mention eternal) debate at Google: How open should a company be and what the definition of ‘open’ in practice?

Google’s definition of open systems:

There are two components to our definition of open: open technology and open information. Open technology includes open source, meaning we release and actively support code that helps grow the Internet, and open standards, meaning we adhere to accepted standards and, if none exist, work to create standards that improve the entire Internet (and not just benefit Google). Open information means that when we have information about users we use it to provide something that is valuable to them, we are transparent about what information we have about them, and we give them ultimate control over their information. These are the things we should be doing. In many cases we aren’t there, but I hope that with this note we can start working to close the gap between reality and aspiration.

That definition always looks good on paper, but I suspect at many companies a commitment to open is uncomfortable. In many respects, a commitment to open systems is a leap of faith. You think it’s a good long-term move, but in the short run you’re not sure.

Rosenberg outlines the conundrum:

To understand our position in more detail, it helps to start with the assertion that open systems win. This is counter-intuitive to the traditionally trained MBA who is taught to generate a sustainable competitive advantage by creating a closed system, making it popular, then milking it through the product life cycle. The conventional wisdom goes that companies should lock in customers to lock out competitors. There are different tactical approaches — razor companies make the razor cheap and the blades expensive, while the old IBM made the mainframes expensive and the software … expensive too. Either way, a well-managed closed system can deliver plenty of profits. They can also deliver well-designed products in the short run — the iPod and iPhone being the obvious examples — but eventually innovation in a closed system tends towards being incremental at best (is a four blade razor really that much better than a three blade one?) because the whole point is to preserve the status quo. Complacency is the hallmark of any closed system. If you don’t have to work that hard to keep your customers, you won’t.

By this point in the memo, I’m thinking of Google and search. Does its sheer girth represent a closed system? Are we locked into Google (the answer is no objectively, but perhaps yes based on habit)? Can you meld a series of open systems and products together in a way that makes it a closed system in terms of profitability?

That last question, which doesn’t have an answer per se, comes to mind again later in the memo when Rosenberg writes:

Because of our reach, technical know-how, and lust for big projects, we can take on big challenges that require large investments and lack an obvious, near-term pay-off. We can photograph the world’s streets so that you can explore the neighborhood around an apartment you are considering renting from a thousand miles away. We can scan millions of books and make them widely accessible (while respecting the rights of publishers and authors). We can create an email system that gives away a gigabyte of storage (now over 7 gigs) at a time when all other services allow only a small fraction of that amount. We can instantly translate web pages from any of 51 languages. We can process search data to help public health agencies detect flu outbreaks much earlier. We can build a faster browser (Chrome), a better mobile operating system (Android), and an entirely new communications platform (Wave), and then open them up for the world to build upon, customize, and improve.

We can do these things because they are information problems and we have the computer scientists, technology, and computational power to solve them. When we do, we make numerous platforms - video, maps, mobile, PCs, voice, enterprise - better, more competitive, and more innovative. We are often attacked for being too big, but sometimes being bigger allows us to take on the impossible.

All of this is useless, however, if we fail when it comes to being open.

The rub: If Google navigates open systems faster and better than anyone else, knits together a series of open projects—Android, Wave and Chrome—it could create a de facto closed system in total. How? No one else will be able to compete. Google will reap outsized rewards from a series of open projects.

Rosenberg adds that Google can use open systems for the forces of good—more about don’t be evil etc.—but it’s tough to completely buy in given the search company’s size. Rosenberg adds:

There are forces aligned against the open Internet — governments who control access, companies who fight in their own self-interests to preserve the status quo. They are powerful, and if they succeed we will find ourselves inhabiting an Internet of fragmentation, stagnation, higher prices, and less competition.

Our skills and our culture give us the opportunity and responsibility to prevent this from happening. We believe in the power of technology to deliver information. We believe in the power of information to do good. We believe that open is the only way for this to have the broadest impact for the most people. We are technology optimists who trust that the chaos of open benefits everyone. We will fight to promote it every chance we get.

Open will win. It will win on the Internet and will then cascade across many walks of life: The future of government is transparency. The future of commerce is information symmetry. The future of culture is freedom. The future of science and medicine is collaboration. The future of entertainment is participation. Each of these futures depends on an open Internet.

Hard to argue with those points. The nagging question: Is Google the steward of open systems?

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RE: Google delivers open system treatise: Do you buy it?
makrekwe5201-24353687741032271684052513196019 5th Nov
nuibnf,good post!
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Nonsense. Do you believe in 'Vendor Lock-In'?
D T Schmitz Updated - 22nd Dec 2009
That's what you get with Microsoft.

Google on the other hand provides genuinely useful services to society for FREE and are Linux and Open Source advocates.

Microsoft's Desktop empire will continue to decline.

2010 will be a very good year for Linux and Open Source.

Hats off to Google.

Dietrich T. Schmitz
Linux Advocate
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Microsoft is not the only one with Vendor Lockin. Take a look at Red Hat it success in the server world means that most large corporations require it, which makes it essentially locked in. Ask the small but unique server vendors on what they pay Red Hat to be sure they are supported in a distro.

Yes you can follow Red Hat once it provides the source, but the attraction of Red Hat (and the other distro's) is for the typical IT shop you aren't running around collecting the pieces.
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Denial. Denial. Denial.
D T Schmitz Updated - 22nd Dec 2009
And I don't mean a place in Egypt.

Stop and think about what MS offers.

o Closed-source proprietary system
o License, you don't own any of the code
o Recurring License renewal cost for what you don't own
o Non-agnostic operating system, Intel only

Keep reaching into your pocket.

Where do you want to go today?
Please wait ... money transfer now in progress...
Microsoft Windows!
Sorry your arguments have little to do with lockin. Most IT shops don't care if it is open versus proprietary, or if they see the source.

What IT people care about are things like:

Will it work out of the box on my systems?
Can the third party software be reasonably assured to run?
Is there tech support there when I need it?

Lock in occurs because time is money and the folks selling the Linux distro's and Microsoft are both selling convience and time savings.
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What lock-in?
daengbo 22nd Dec 2009
If you want to move off of RHEL and have the
expertise, there are many ways to go. The
easiest would be to replace RHEL with the free
(and Free)CentOS, which is just RHEL with the
trademarks removed. All the tools are the same.
Your admins will need no retraining. Your users
won't see the difference.

So ... where's the lock-in? (Note that normally,
there's a cost for ANY change (including version
bumps) so you can't say "the cost to change
creates lock-in" unless that cost is actually
prohibitive of change.)

More on topic:
This memo from Google is obviously meant as propaganda, but I think it still says something
important. Google thinks it's faster and more
agile (or can buy the faster companies), and so
Google is willing to compete in an open setting
where there's no real lock-in.

I short, Google wants a creative, competitive,
innovative IT market, and Google is cocky enough
to think it can be the leader in such a market.
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Dietrich
Cylon Centurion Updated - 22nd Dec 2009
Not everyone cares about code. I have other things to worry about other than if I can see the source code. Not all of us are programmers.

Secondly, there is nothing wrong with proprietary software, I personally think Windows offers me more than Linux ever will. And Office offers me more than OOo does. To me, that makes the price worthwhile. Now, I don't exactly know what you mean when you say recurring costs, the only time I have to pay is when I choose to upgrade. I don't understand why you think proprietary is bad.

And as the poster above has said, vendor lock in can come from anyone, anywhere, anytime. If Google chooses to make their software only work with certain extensions, there ya go. And, again personally, a company who's motto is "Do no evil", is making an operating system that forces me to store any data I may have onto their cloud, and likes to collect information about me, makes me awfully suspicious.
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It's more...
Tim Patterson 22nd Dec 2009
..than just the code. It's freedom from the control of the vendor.

If you like MS wares and are willing to agree to their onerous and one-sided terms then by all means use their stuff.
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You're just scared to move on dude.
CapitalismAteItself 23rd Dec 2009
Google could be THE company that helps America arise from the ashes and be a co-operative and globally acceptable player ...
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Yep! And, it works!
windozefreak 22nd Dec 2009
nt
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It's all about standards
razzledazzle 22nd Dec 2009
Standards are what prevent lock-in, not open source. You can have open source until the cows come home, but if it isn't based on widely adopted standards, you still have lock-in.
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Open Source prevents stupid games in the source code.
CapitalismAteItself 23rd Dec 2009
You know, how Microsoft ever became anything at all.
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Prevents is a bit strong...
jasonp@... 23rd Dec 2009
"Mitigates" might be better terminology to use. "Exposes" would probably be even better. Open Source is a lot like other things...even it can't fix stupid.
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Wrong
Tim Patterson 22nd Dec 2009
With Red Hat you are buying service. The code is open. Ever hear of CentOS? It is free software that is basically RHEL without Red Hat support.

With MS you license the use of their binaries and pay for support. You must agree to their onerous terms and are totally reliant on them as far as what their wares are capable of. Closed and controlled.

"Open Source" means I have control over the code. Open standards mean I am not reliant on one companies products and not subject to their demnands.
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Agreed.
Joey1058 23rd Dec 2009
I agree totally. Linux might be the core, but once you choose a distributor, you are at their whims, dictates, and mercies.
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BS
Cylon Centurion 22nd Dec 2009
Vendor lock in can come from open source as well. And judging by Google's actions as of late, it sounds as if they are pushing to be your "Everything", which counts as lock in.
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nt
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I never seen their search code, their Apps code, I haven't seen much in the way of Google code.

Shouldn't they realese it under "free to see and use"?

I thought it was only proprietary code that could be modified for my own purposes...
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Here's a site that can help you:
baboddonggae 22nd Dec 2009
google.com

It's a search engine. If you type something into it, like "google source code," it shows you web pages relevant to the information you are seeking.

Seriously, have you ever looked? You can't say something isn't out there because you've never bothered to look. A search for "google source code" brought me to code.google.com - where they have all their open source projects listed with a link to the code.
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if everyone can grab the code and have a search engine as good as Google's.

There are some things in Apps I would like changed, but it's not there for me to do, no "customization".

Even their search appliances has closed sections in it.

Releasing tidbits and throw aways, and saying "were open source, we're you" is really a way of saying, "we're kinda closed source, just believe that we're not".
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Go for it.
baboddonggae 22nd Dec 2009
Google isn't where it is because they have some scripts running on a server that anyone with some knowledge can copy. However, I don't believe they made the claim that their algorithm was open. But that's beside the point when you make the claim: "I never seen their search code, their Apps code, I haven't seen much in the way of Google code" when they have 15 million lines of code published on their website.
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Actually
daengbo 22nd Dec 2009
In the original piece, they stated that opening
the search code would allow SEOs to more easily
game the system.

I think those are weasel words.
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If Google opened every bit of code they have created
CapitalismAteItself 23rd Dec 2009
Microsoft would use it and say that they invented it, and invented search etc etc.
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Look @ Google videos
shis-ka-bob 28th Dec 2009
There are detailed talks on the inner workings
of Google's search tools. They all but say
that Apache Hadoop is a functional equal to
their internal code for Map Reduce.

Anyone with some persistence can get a
reasonable design document for an atomic bomb.
But that only gets you so far. You still need
to get a machine shop on the order of Oak
Ridge's Y-12, a rare earth chemist like Frank
Spedding at the Ames Lab, and a team like the Manhattan Project under Oppenheimer to turn
that into a product.

Google can share map reduce (e.g. allow,
perhaps even support, Hadoop & CouchDb). They
can tell you then are running commodity
hardware on Linux. They can turn all of the
infrastructure into commodities, and still not
have much to worry about. A competitor needs
to be able to ramp up to 'internet scale',
establish goodwill with the public and
governments, and come up with the refinements
to Page Rank that Google has been working on
for about a decade now.

I am sure that Google is honest in pushing open
source. That is simply not a threat to them
and it drives down the cost of a complementary
good. As data and connectivity becomes cheap,
analytics (page rank) and services (AppEngine,
Google Apps) become more valuable.

I can write a Grails application and deploy to
AppEngine or EC2 or any other cloud service for
less than running .Net on Windows. This is a
huge win for me and Google. I sucks for
Microsoft and all of the Microsoft shops, but
that is evolution.
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What about the non-open?
windozefreak 22nd Dec 2009
nt
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What about the non-open?
CapitalismAteItself 23rd Dec 2009
If you mean "closed source as a customer whip", it's time for it to die ...
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BS? Black Kettles and all
daengbo 22nd Dec 2009
There is no lock-in if you aren't locked in.
Just being your "everything" doesn't have
anything to do with lock-in. It's pretty easy to
switch search providers. I can do it ten times a
day if I want. Google offers data export for
almost all of their services ... for free.
Again, where's the lock-in?

It's painless to move from Google Apps to Zoho
or even to go back to local apps with "Export
all." Sites? A little more difficult, but you
use google-sites-liberation and host somewhere
else. Want to move from Google Talk? Just use
another Jabber server or roll your own. Reader?
Export the standard OPML file and import in
another feed reader.

I'm just not seeing the lock-in.
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Amen
shis-ka-bob 28th Dec 2009
All the folks tied to Microsoft just cannot
image that a vendor wouldn't behave like
Microsoft. Google isn't in the same game as
Microsoft. They have a different set of rules
and lock in doesn't apply.

There ARE scary things about Google, but that
ties to their access to vast amounts of data on
each of us, not to their ability to lock us
into one software ecosystem.
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What a load of crock
John Zern 22nd Dec 2009
You lay it on deep, DS.

At least it appears people are smarter then you give them credit for, and are shooting you down lately.

Time to come up with a new "tag line" there.
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FREE
Yax_to_the_Max 22nd Dec 2009
really or the perception of FREE.

Perception: Give us all your personal information and you can use this site for FREE.

Reality: We're selling all this information you freely gave to us to anyone and everyone.

You're paying for it one way or another.

NOTHING is free on the internet!
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Vendor lock in occurs the minute you go with any computer. Even if you go Linux. Try using Windows based programs on Linux without some third party app patching things up for you. If you want to make the argument that lock in to an OS that has free apps is better then vendor lock in to an OS that has many apps that have to be paid for, then fine. But don't make it sound like going with Linux opens up all the world of programming for your use. It doesn't.

Microsoft's desktop empire may continue to decline but it appears to be doing so at a rate so slow that Microsoft appears to have at least a couple decades to think about where they want to go next.
Google is the last bastion of open systems. No one else has the money to resist the monopoly power of Microsoft. Anything else is doomed to strategic destruction when Microsoft takes a half billion from their OS sales to kill off an Open Systems project.

Is their search "open"? Of course. All the information they use in their searches is publicly available. If hapless Microsoft can Bling, then anyone can do it!
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yes
DemonX Updated - 22nd Dec 2009
More so from Google than Microsoft. Only because MS has such a long history looking out for #1 even if it means breaking a few laws here and there. In the end Google may turn out to be as bad but we don't yet know that yet.
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I'll believe
HalfAKilo 22nd Dec 2009
I'll believe Google pledge for open systems the moment they publish the source code for their search and ad delivery engines.

Over the course of the years I came to believe that pledges of openness are the last refuge of scoundrels. Everyone talks about opening up unless it involves their PERSONAL little cash cow.

The worst hypocrits ever.
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I don't know that I agree with that.
DemonX Updated - 22nd Dec 2009
After all you're not talking about a product so much as a service. If they do a service better than everyone else do they owe it to anyone to show how they do it? Although that question may be worthy of debate. I don't know that I know the absolute answer. Microsoft or Yahoo could have just as easily achieved this instead of Google. But they both failed to live up to that possibility. I won't burden anyone with my thoughts on how stupid a decision that was. happy
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What really is the point of Google opening
their search code? There is no lock in with a
search engine. You just go and use another one
if you like. The only way to lock in a search
engine is if you start getting a number of
critical sites to only allow your engine to
index them, then I will complain about Google
or anybody else's search.

I am just not of the opinion that a company
should open everything and most know this is a
dumb idea from a competitive standpoint.
However, data lock in is absolute no no and
Google really excels on this point.
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The point
HalfAKilo 22nd Dec 2009
The point of opening up Google search and AdSense source code is to allow a "vibrant" and "flourishing" search and ad delivery "community", paraphrasing Google's hypocritic propaganda, to spring up. This will drive down the costs of online ads, and destroy Google profits in the process.

But you do want cheaper ads for poor mom and pop businesses, don't you? You do want to have a vibrant, flourishing, dynamic search and ads community, don't you? So go ahead, contact Google to open up.
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Google could be far more open
CapitalismAteItself 23rd Dec 2009
if Microsoft was already dead, but they can't take that risk just yet.
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Openness - Transparency
notme403@... 22nd Dec 2009
Yes, scoundrels promise it then shut you out and meet in the darkness... Muaaaaahahahahaha. Do Democrats use Linux?
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they know it is the easiest way to kill their competitors. Take the recent release of the Google GPS map on Android for instance. The day after they released this GPS app for free Garmin and TomTom stocks both tanked. It's the same strategy for Google Apps. The quickest way to kill off Office is to give away Google Apps or at dirt cheap prices.

They are closed where it benefits them: search and ads. But they used open technologies to create a closed system.

So, do I buy this 'Open' crap from them? Hell-to-the-no!

Are they the stewards of open systems? Only insofar as it helps them protect their own closed systems.
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You nailed it nt
tech_walker 22nd Dec 2009
nt
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Closed systems is Microsoft's domain.
CapitalismAteItself 23rd Dec 2009
Open is where Google plays.

Funny watching you NBM'ers trying to argue as though Google is a closed source big bad wolf.
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Sadly the 'bull crap' is yours
drorharari 22nd Dec 2009
>> They are closed where it benefits them:
search and ads.

There will be no useful search, nor effective
ads if they were open sourced. Google had
explained, in high level, how they work but they
cannot possibly give low level information on
their concrete algorithms and their tweaks.

The moment such information would have been
released, good souls such as yourself and other
"angles" would find how to flood us with via9ra
ads, p0rn and what not. You can kiss goodbye to
useful and effective ads and search.
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Please
HalfAKilo 22nd Dec 2009
Please, you make it sound Google protects its search engine know-how just so we don't flood the Internet with spam. I have tears in my eyes of such benevolence of Google.

Lay down the BS man. Search and ads are Google's cash cow, and they will protect it with vengeance, including patent fights, and so on.
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Is Bing open?
CapitalismAteItself 23rd Dec 2009
Thought not.
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Story is not about Microsoft. Topic is Google.
No_Ax_to_Grind 23rd Dec 2009
Care to try again?
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Google wants an open system so they can steal your
personal info, make you give up all rights to it, then
they will claim it as theirs and sell it for a profit.
What do you get out of all that? Absolutely nothing.
Sorry Google, nothing is free. Give me a share of the
profits and I'll start using your services, until then
its a Google free zone for me.
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Oh
devzero 22nd Dec 2009
You cant be serious,

Have you read their privacy policy?

Give me a share of the profits?
What for? What did you contribute?
SFA

Congrats on the stupidest post in the discussion
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Yeah you stick with your beloved.
CapitalismAteItself 23rd Dec 2009
Would hate to see you outside of your brand name comfort zone.
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Do I trust Google?
tech_walker 22nd Dec 2009
Not for a minute, they've proven that the "do no evil" motto is just a a cliche they use but don't mean at all. When it comes to stomping on other businesses or cooperating with authoritarian governments they are no better than the worst companies of all time. I'm sure Google would have been the Joe Kennedy of modern day, I see them totally in bed with the Nazi's if it helped their bottom line even a little.
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do no evil?
bigpicture 22nd Dec 2009
It is not (1) "do no evil" it is (2) "don't be evil", and in case
you don't know the difference the second one is a
statement of intent. In other words (2) is what you shoot
for but not necessarily what you (1) achieve 100% of the
time.

But if you have a motto like "cut off their air supply" what
kind of intention do you think that is? And what do you think
the corresponding actions will be? Or do you understand
the importance of intention and mission statements etc. at
all?
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RE: Google delivers open system treatise: Do you buy it?
makrekwe5201-24353687741032271684052513196019 5th Nov
nuibnf,good post!

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