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Larry Dignan, Andrew Nusca and Rachel King

Google: Looking over shoulder at Wolfram|Alpha?

By | May 7, 2009, 2:14pm PDT

Summary: Google’s Sergey Brin, co-founder and president of the search giant, on Thursday delivered the company’s annual “Founders’ Letter” and apparently is keeping a watchful eye on Wolfram|Alpha. If you recall, Wolfram|Alpha is a much ballyhooed search tool that claims to understand what a user is asking via algorithms.  Wolfram|Alpha’s elevator pitch: Wolfram|Alpha is an ambitious long-term project to [...]

Google’s Sergey Brin, co-founder and president of the search giant, on Thursday delivered the company’s annual “Founders’ Letter” and apparently is keeping a watchful eye on Wolfram|Alpha.

If you recall, Wolfram|Alpha is a much ballyhooed search tool that claims to understand what a user is asking via algorithms. 

Wolfram|Alpha’s elevator pitch:

Wolfram|Alpha is an ambitious long-term project to make all systematic knowledge immediately computable to anyone.  You enter your question or calculation and Wolfram|Alpha uses its built-in algorithms and growing collection of data to compute the answer.

And in a presentation at Harvard, Wolfram|Alpha creator Stephen Wolfram said:

“What we’re trying to do is take all the things that can be computed about the world…and try and package it to the point where we can just walk up to a web site and have it deliver the knowledge we’d like to have. Like interacting with an expert it will understand what you are talking about, do the computation and present to you results.”  

Now enter Brin (emphasis mine):

While I am proud of what has been accomplished in search over the past decade, there are important areas in which I wish we had made more progress. Perfect search requires human-level artificial intelligence, which many of us believe is still quite distant. However, I think it will soon be possible to have a search engine that “understands” more of the queries and documents than we do today. Others claim to have accomplished this, and Google’s systems have more smarts behind the curtains than may be apparent from the outside, but the field as a whole is still shy of where I would have expected it to be. Part of the reason is the dramatic growth of the web — for any particular query, it is likely there are many documents on the topic using the exact same vocabulary. And as the web grows, so does the breadth and depth of the curiosity of those searching. I expect our search engine to become much “smarter” in the coming decade.

Is that a veiled Wolfram|Alpha reference? Sure sounds like it.

Screenshots: a tour of Wolfram Alpha

Brin also talks about better search interfaces, which are being pitched by Wolfram|Alpha too. 

It’s premature to say that Google is really worried about Wolfram|Alpha, but clearly the fledgling effort has captured Brin’s eye. That’s a sign of a good company. It would be much more worrisome if Google wasn’t looking over its shoulder.

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adornoe@... 11th May 2009
We're quite far from having the "perfect" search tool. There is not a best tool around. There are many search tools around with Google being the biggest, followed by a few others which are far behind.

If Google search was not to make much progress from the way it does things right now, then within five years, it won't be number one anymore.

If not Microsoft or Yahoo or Ask.com, then some other current or new player will do something to scare Google and Microsoft and Yahoo into developing way better search engines. As an example, I don't like the intimidation that comes from a set of search results that number into the millions or even into the hundreds or thousands.

I believe that I have a better search mechanism for news and information. My system would allow for a search with multiple categories in one search. It also would allow the inclusion in that same search for multiple subjects covered in the article or column. And, since articles are composed by writers, a search for the author (multiple, again) would be allowed. And, since writers oftentimes write for publishers, a publisher would be allowed in the search criteria. Since articles are either news or information or commentaries/editorials, I would allow a specification for type of article. And, since publishers come in many forms, such as TV, radio, newspapers, magazines, I would allow athe search to include the type of publisher. And, the search would allow for searching by a date or a date range. All of that within one search, in any combination, with all of the criteria or just some included. It would also allow for exact title search, or any combination of words within the title.

I don't know that Google does that yet. Hopefully, I'll have that system in beta form in a few months, or even weeks.

And, hey, my system would even include a content management sub-system within it so that, anyone could become a writer/columnist and the system would include that new content within the search environment.

And, since articles are cross-referenced all throughout the internet for discussions, I would allow for links to point to discussion sites where any article has an on going discussion, or a new link could be created to point someone to a newly created discussion.

I'm not advertising or touting my system. I'm just making the point that what we have now in search engines, leave a lot to be desired.
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Google and Wolfram Alpha
Metronome49 8th May 2009
I don't think they are actually in the same field to be competitors. I think if Google is talking about/looking at Wolfram Alpha... it's for acquisition of the technology... or an API share. Google doesn't want to be a mega-calculator, but if you could easily integrate WA results and Google web results in the SERPs, it would be good... with new semantic technology Google needs/plans to start implementing... the future of web search is all semantics, and WA is a step in the right direction.
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You have it exactly right.
TJGodel 8th May 2009
WA is not a threat to Google. It might be a
nice acquisition for Google and feed into
Google results.
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Microsoft will buy WA.
fr0thy2 8th May 2009
And they'll completely over-hype it, screw it up and make a failure of it.
I sure hope this technology (Wolfram/Alpha)does not become "proprietary" with one company calling all the shots and severely limiting its development and proliferation.
I have my feet in the sand as a consumer ;though the one Google App I have is nice. I think they are invested in CBS Television.
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RE: focus on Global Warming
dougbeer 9th May 2009
If you believe we are casuing global warming than the only answer is...Stop having babies.
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The intelligent ones are.
fr0thy2 9th May 2009
Only the useless scroungers can "afford" to breed endlessly.

Maybe MS does have a future market wink
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I do not know Wolfram, yet but as an experienced IT professional I can say that Search Engines do not End with Google and Google now has many services apart from pure Searches.
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You're quite right about that...
adornoe@... 11th May 2009
We're quite far from having the "perfect" search tool. There is not a best tool around. There are many search tools around with Google being the biggest, followed by a few others which are far behind.

If Google search was not to make much progress from the way it does things right now, then within five years, it won't be number one anymore.

If not Microsoft or Yahoo or Ask.com, then some other current or new player will do something to scare Google and Microsoft and Yahoo into developing way better search engines. As an example, I don't like the intimidation that comes from a set of search results that number into the millions or even into the hundreds or thousands.

I believe that I have a better search mechanism for news and information. My system would allow for a search with multiple categories in one search. It also would allow the inclusion in that same search for multiple subjects covered in the article or column. And, since articles are composed by writers, a search for the author (multiple, again) would be allowed. And, since writers oftentimes write for publishers, a publisher would be allowed in the search criteria. Since articles are either news or information or commentaries/editorials, I would allow a specification for type of article. And, since publishers come in many forms, such as TV, radio, newspapers, magazines, I would allow athe search to include the type of publisher. And, the search would allow for searching by a date or a date range. All of that within one search, in any combination, with all of the criteria or just some included. It would also allow for exact title search, or any combination of words within the title.

I don't know that Google does that yet. Hopefully, I'll have that system in beta form in a few months, or even weeks.

And, hey, my system would even include a content management sub-system within it so that, anyone could become a writer/columnist and the system would include that new content within the search environment.

And, since articles are cross-referenced all throughout the internet for discussions, I would allow for links to point to discussion sites where any article has an on going discussion, or a new link could be created to point someone to a newly created discussion.

I'm not advertising or touting my system. I'm just making the point that what we have now in search engines, leave a lot to be desired.
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Wolfram is THE publisher of scientific mathematics
programming. Has been for years. I recall playing with
Mathematica on my old Mac Plus and discovering that what
had been a standard random number generating algorithm
was not. When it was run, generating a three dimensional
plot of the 'random' points you could turn the plot and all
of a sudden the points would line up...not random at all.
To the point of the article, while Wolfram is the big muscle
on math beach, I suspect if Google wants a piece of the
action they will probably acquire it one way or the other.
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Focus on Query, Not Knowledge
putchavn@... 8th May 2009
The purpose of search is "Finding Answers", that too "A Few Relevant and Precise Answers". However, such Answers cannot come merely from "Knowledge, however Intelligent, Vast and Precise".

The key is in the "Precision of Query" and that comes from "A Good Query Facility" using "Terms and Structures" which are "The same or similar to the Terms and Structures used for knowledge representation."

Over simplifying the query and over developing the knowledge (in amount, sophistication and intelligence) is actually counter productive, as Google and Wolfram Alpha are discovering!

Far superior results can be achieved faster with a little balance between Query and Knowledge!?Try HyperPlex.

Putcha V. Narasimham,
putchavn@yahoo.com
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yea, I think so... but google has been kinda doing it
(adding search relevant data) all along, kinda by
themselves, now that they MAY have a competitor I
think its more they're looking over and winking.

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