Google: No 'shred of evidence' Android team saw Sun's patents
Summary: Google followed up with its closing arguments in phase two of the trial, reiterating that it had no knowledge of Sun's patent portfolio.
SAN FRANCISCO -- Google's counsel followed up with its closing statements in phase two of its legal battle against Oracle at the U.S. District Court of Northern California on Tuesday morning.
See also: Oracle argues 'Google's reckless path to patent infringement'
Attorney Robert Van Nest delivered closing arguments on behalf of the Mountain View, Calif.-based company, starting off by reminding the jury that "this case is not about Java versus Android."
With that in mind, Van Nest outlined Google's three core points in its case:
- Google made "fundamentally different design choices for Android" without any specific knowledge of Sun Microsystems's patent portfolio
- Android's Dalvik Virtual Machine does not infringe U.S. Patent No. RE38,104
- Android's dx tool does not infringe U.S. Patent No. 6,061,520
"There isn't a shred of evidence that anyone at Google on the design team had seen these patents," Van Nest said, asserting that Oracle "admitted" that it didn't mention these specific patents to anyone at Google until the lawsuit was filed by Oracle back in July 2010.
Van Nest asserted that the '104 patent requires that symbolic references must be used in the instructions, backing up that "Android never uses symbolic references in the instructions, but rather numeric references."
Incidentally, one of the big debates that has emerged between experts testifying for both sides in phase two has been terminology, which could confuse and even sway the jury one way or another.
For example, on the '520 patent, Van Nest said that every expert witness acknowledged every step of the method has to be there, including simulation of the bytecode. He explained that Android doesn't implement simulated execution like Oracle argues, but rather "pattern matching."
In his closing arguments earlier in the morning, Oracle attorney Michael Jacobs defined a symbolic reference as “a reference that identifies data by a name other than the numeric memory of the location of data, and that is resolved dynamically rather than statically.”
Citing the testimony of Dr. David August, an associate professor of computer science at Princeton University who testified as an expert witness on behalf of Google, Van Nest recalled that August confirmed he looked at every implementation of the instructions, testifying "with certainty" that there aren't anything but numeric references in Dalvik's instructions.
Van Nest also brought up the testimony of Dr. John Mitchell, a professor of computer science at Stanford University and an expert witness for Oracle. Earlier, Jacobs has tried to defend Mitchell for making a "mistake" in his deposition video by testifying that indexes are numeric references, which would really favor Google's case and not Oracle's.
While Jacobs aimed to assure the jury that Mitchell corrected himself later, Van Nest countered by saying that it wasn't a mistake, and he has simply since "changed his opinion."
"I wouldn't criticize someone for making a single mistake, but these are not mistakes," Van Nest reiterated.
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It's over folks, Oracle lost!
The verdict will find in favor of Google and there will be no phase 3 since there is no liability.
Once again FOSS wins, adding Elli$on to the same league of sore losers like $CO!
Once again, FOSS wins?
it was Dalvik this time
RE: it was Dalvik this time
[i]Apache not GPL![/i]
Apache's Harmony was Apache 2.0. Google dipped into Harmony for Dalvik. Sun GPL'd [most of] Java nearly at the same time that Google released Dalvik.
P.S. Android (minus the Linux kernel) is Apache 2.0 as well. However, while Google's services are built with open-source software, the software comprising the services is mostly proprietary. Just try to download Google Docs to serve on your local network. Or try to download Google+ to set up private social networking amongst you and your family and friends. And how many Android apps in Google Play (formerly Android Market) are open-source?
professional opinion?
These are closing aruments
No shred of evidence Android team saw Sun's patents?
Because Google just shreded all the documents that proved they saw Sun's patents. ;)
Any more...
Are you a Phillies fan?
Oh, and if you couldn't take the post as a play on words...
what engineer would waste time searching poorly worded descriptions
High priced talent is busily counting
Doesnt matter if they saw them or not. You cant use patented ip whether you
Certainly can affect likelihood of infringement
I have to say that Dr. Mitchell's testimony seemed to tear up everything I ever read about the meaning of symbolic referencing of data. Seems like he purposely conflated "symbolic reference" and "indirect reference", just so Oracle can make some questionable claims.
According to him, the code fragment "a(ix)" out of a 30 year old Fortran program, having been translated into MOV R1, X(R2) is a "symbolic" reference. Gonna have to shred some text books for that to be true.
To be fair to the good Dr. Mitchell, patents define their own terms. Sometimes in non-sensical ways.
Nonsense dominates software patents. No models to demo function.
pathetic excuse
- Lack of knowledge is not an excuse. If you are in big business its a must to know competitors portfolio. It's just shows google's utter disrespect for patents.
And the hypocrites at google didn't forget to patent 'project glass'
does not apply to open software
Warning
Umm
Very little has been said about Google's clean room used for Dalvik
Has a list of Google employees that comprised the Dalvik clean room team been released? Were any of these employees ex-Sun Java engineers? If so, what patent applications did these ex-Sun Java engineers contribute to while at Sun?
the room was very clean
Oracle has no proof!